Thread 17993538

>widespread amongst the low class
>spreads message of submission, weakness, and total tolerance
>destabilizes society and causes mass rioting and killings
>infiltrates the government and supplants traditional beliefs
>destroys works of art and historical records depicting the old ways and kills people who don't conform to the new ways
>creates global new world order
Was Christianity the original socialist uprising? It fits the bill, especially the cultural and ideological subversion.

Christianity wouldn't have spread so rapidly had there not been a large Imperial state with roads to spread through. Pagan Rome led to a Christian Europe.

>>17993557
That doesn't really matter, though. It's not like the people who charted those roads or the emperors of the past all did what they did so that Christianity could flourish, it was more akin to a virus which spread throughout the empire's via those veins which had been created within it.

>>17993561
It does matter. Had there been no empire, each state would've been relatively self-containted besides trading with one another and paganism would've remained

>>17993566
You can just as easily say that paganism would've remained if Christianity simply never existed. You can't blame the circumstances of the environment. I see what you're saying, though. Are you implying that the point of an empire to begin with is to supplant native beliefs and practices? On a certain level, I do agree, although it's worth noting that the Romans were particularly lax about this kind of thing. They would often respect the native culture unless it was explicitly hostile to them, and would usually just bring their technology. It was just human behavior that caused people to syncretize certain religious and philosophical ideas with their own. No Romans were putting knives to peoples necks telling them to worship Jupiter, as long as people just participated in public offerings and celebrations because, to them, it was necessary to please the Gods in order to keep the state running smoothly. Ancient religions are mostly orthopraxic, not orthodoxic, meaning the Romans didn't give a shit what you believed in, just whether you did what you were expected to do.

This is a good argument. Once Christianity became dominant, it did suppress pagan traditions, closing temples, outlawing sacrifices, and, yes, reinterpreting art and texts. The Christian cultural revolution dismantled much of the Greco-Roman religious heritage.

>>17993572
Not just that, where most traditional European beliefs were based on heroism and the inherent divinity of the human being, Christianity spread a message of complete tolerance towards the enemy, a worship of death itself, weakness (the meek shall inherit the earth), and human beings being sinful and evil and in need of redemption. It is inherently anti-human and anti-European. When you boil it down to its most basic principles, it sounds very similar to things we see in the modern day.

>>17993538 (OP)
The Romans caused most of Europe to become demoralized and deracinated. This is why the Romans become Christian but it was slow to spread elsewhere.

>>17993538 (OP)
SAAR

>>17993538 (OP)
>mohel thread
all fields faux-Semite

>>17993538 (OP)
>total tolerance
>kills people who don't conform

your entire post is bullshit

>>17993614
Just because the Bible says one thing, doesn't mean everyone necessarily follows it. It also says "thou shalt not kill" but Christians have most certainly done so all throughout history.

>>17993615
>"thou shalt not kill"
That's old covenant Law which the jews were required to follow in order to avoid being destroyed. If you can't understand the difference between the new covenant and old covenant then you should probably consider suicide.

>>17993618
Anon, I grew up Lutheran in the south, I think I know what Christians do and do not believe. The Ten Commandments are culturally important to Christians.

>>17993624
"christians" today believe a lot of completely retarded bullshit

>>17993618
its not old covenant law you idiot, its part of the 10 commandments, which all christians are expected to follow. by your logic christians can also be pagans since they dont need to follow the first amendment, which is thou shalt have no other gods before me
>>17993633
youre fucking retarded, the bible itself says the 10 commandments are the only specific laws which a christian is expected to uphold. what youre thinking of is the yoke of the law, which refers to all the stupid shit jews are expected to do from leviticus and exodus, like the black cube on the foreheads and sacrificing chickens and all that weird shit. those are the only specific old covenant laws that the new testament was against

>>17993778
>the bible itself says the 10 commandments are the only specific laws which a christian is expected to uphold

It says no such thing.

>>17994127
>e-christian retards proves he has never read the bible in his entire life before again

>>17994139
>Jesus explaining the old covenant Law to a jew.
thanks for proving my point

>>17994143
alright anon lets have it your way then. so a christian can worship pagan gods, earth spirits and the devil, he can murder and kill random people, steal from his own parents and then give them the finger, covet after all of his neighbors wives, never ever ever attend church, bear false witness to every crime in the papers, and cheat on his wife every day and he is still considered to be a christian? what even defines christianity at that point? just admit you have no idea what youre even talking about. you are jumping through hoops with your mental gymnastics to justify murdering people who disagree with you, like some faggot leftist who writes furry memes on bullet casings

>>17994162
Salvation is not achieved by following a set of Laws. The requirements of the new covenant are in many way more stringent than the old covenant, but by their nature can not be defined by a binding set of rules.

>>17994164
>its actually more stringent, which is why it has no rules
it must be fun to a babbling retard, just saying whatever you wish to say without any prior thought or meditation

>>17993538 (OP)
That’s just your opinion of christianity, doesn’t mean other interpretations don’t exist.
In my opinion, christianity does not condone weakness as a virtue, it teaches strength and resistance against evil and it teaches humbleness against friends. If you really see christianity like you do, you are not allowed to defend a 10 year old girl being raped in the streets by pedo freak because that’s allowing the weak to exist. If you accept will to power, heroism does not exist.

Also, yes, I’m calling you a cuck.

>>17994165
If you can't understand the difference between the new covenant and old covenant then you should probably consider suicide.

>>17994143
>>17994164
youre so fucking retarded

>>17994171
Stop conflating christianity with noahidism, they are not and never will be the same thing.

>>17994174
>t. wants to ban anime for being pagan

>>17993538 (OP)
Yes it was basically a virus that took control of his host, than just rebranded every Pagans festivities and philosophy.

>>17993538 (OP)
You’re mistaking American leftism with socialism. Nazis were socialist. Its just an economic policy , not a political movement

>>17993618
A law they circumvent and find loopholes to achieve anyway lol

>>17993538 (OP)
There’s a lot to be said about the similarities between early church practices and some of the acts recorded in the epistles, and their similarities to socialist ideas. However, ever since the papacy argued for distributism as an economic system in line with catholic (and broadly Christian) teaching, those similarities are mostly because of similar ideas in distributism and socialism, however, the former is still quite different from the latter.

>>17993569
>You can't blame the circumstances of the environment.
You easily can. Look at it with the development of civilizations. Europe became a dominant power in the world because of their geography.

> be the Roman Empire
> some death cult from a backwater province starts infecting the slave class
> *le meek shall inherit the earth*
> *it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God*
> undermines the very fabric of society, based on honor and strength
> eventually co-opts the entire imperial apparatus
> burns libraries, smashes statues, and executes pagans
> creates a global theocracy
OP might be onto something

>>17993538 (OP)
Romans during the times of early Christianity were no longer any Caesars or Cincinnatusses. They were repulsive, usually atheistic slave-holding capitards with no morals other than making money and no weapons other than trickery. They had sold their army to the Germans because they had become too lazy to fight themselves. These worthless wretches even allowed unlimited immigration from all Roman territories into the land of Italy, careless about race, hoping for the GDP to increase.
Easily explained how Christianity spread so fast; replacing the Roman tohu-bohu with Catholic purity became the sole goal of the few honest hearts in the Empire. It filled a hole in the hearts of people who still didn't want to believe that being a worthless hedonist degenerate is the peak goal of life.
If today a new sane and elaborate religion arose it would spread like a fire. Think about it. Atheism is through the roof right now, just like in ancient Rome.

>>17993618
>actually christians can murder and have no need for the Ten Commandments due to the Scarifice of great Yeshu

Nigga the ten commandments are the first thing taught in Bible study to children, what the fuck even are modern e-christians lmfao

>>17994927
>"christians" today believe a lot of completely retarded bullshit

>>17993538 (OP)
Dude thinks speaking truth to Herod and getting decapitated is weak or tolerant. Or the countless other martyrs for the faith. I'd tell you to read a book, but you're clearly illiterate; for anyone who is literate, it's Foxe's book of Martyrs.

Why is /his/ so retarded? Seems like OP is just some ANTIFA child rapist who thinks painting Christianity as socialism will justify his cult bullshit today. Kill yourself, you filthy Jew. Only a Christ-hating commie Jew would like like this about Christ and Christianity. And I know that's true because threads like these completely stop when someone starts making threads questioning the holocaust hoax and the rest of the WWII propaganda, all the little JIDF paid shills all flock to those threads instead of spamming their hatred for Christ and Christians.

If you want to oppose jews, nothing does it more than accepting the promised messiah who they killed and who they hate.

>>17993557
>Europe
>Christian
When? Bunch of pagan faggots were always pagan faggots. From open paganism to veiled paganism dressed up with a veneer of Christ. If you really think Catholicism is Christian, then you're just as retarded as someone who thinks "judeo christian" is a thing.

>>17993599
lol, even the Jew OP's fellow Jews think he's doing a shit job of shilling.

>>17994139
That doesn't state what you claimed it stated, retard.

But an unsaved fool like you trying to explain the Bible is a laugh. You're literally incapable of understanding it, you have no spiritual discernment because you're not saved, not sealed with the spirit.

>>17995106
I'm not a kugel
Christ is King

>>17995106
>That doesn't state what you claimed it stated, retard.
>random guy, not stated to be a jew, asks jesus what he must do to get into heaven
>"Follow the commandments"
>faggot anon ITT you: ummm thats not ackwtually what it means!

>>17995106
>If you really think Catholicism is Christian
you are quite literally pagans as defined by jews and muslims. 2 out of three of the abrahamic religions agree that you are quasi-pagans pretending to be monotheists because you have three gods.

Genuine, actual practicing Christianity is hardcore thoughbeit

>>17994620
*jeans

>>17995154
I only worship one God.

>>17995106
>Kill yourself, you filthy Jew

It was popular with the wealthy cosmopolitan types though, that's what the word pagan originally means, basically like "bumpkin"- someone uneducated from the countryside.

>>17995106
Anon, over half the Bible is about how Hebrews are awesome and should kill everyone else because Yahweh told them to

>>17993614
This is exactly what woke commies are doing today.

>>17994166
You're a retard, Jesus himself tells you not to resist evil, and that the meek shall inherit the earth. Try to read the bible once in your life before embarassing yourself.

>>17996943
He does say “do not resist an evil person” but this in the context of the whole passage related “vengence, an eye for an eye”. This does not mean don’t defend yourself or others against injuries. I do not agree with vengence either. A Christian has a sense of justice, he defends the defenceless.

>>17997137
>This does not mean don’t defend yourself or others against injuries.
explain the thou shalt not live by the sword episode then

>>17997187
making a living by being a paid killer is not cool

>>17997187
Means don’t don’t see violent as the end/telos of your life. Violence is only righteous when it’s used to protect.

>>17997210
but that isnt the context of the passage at all. jesus doesnt just say the line to the roman soldier, or even really to him at all, he is specifically speaking to the apostle who owned the sword. when the soldiers come to arrest jesus, two of the apostles draw their swords (the ones jesus told them earlier to sell their cloaks for) and cut off the ear of one of the roman soldiers. jesus stops them, heals the soldiers ear, and tells them not to live by the sword. jesus is quite literally saying not to defend yourself against those who make their living by being paid killers, not to not be a paid killer

>>17997241
but as I stated earlier, Jesus does not use the line in reference to a violent situation where someone is attacking another for no reason. he uses it when the apostles are defending themselves and jesus from the roman soldiers

>>17997137
>Muh context
Lol you do realize your guy lets himself get nailed to the cross by his worst enemies and even forbids them saving him? Keep coping.

>>17997354
*forbids his disciples from

Christianity would've been better off if they just excised the entire Old Testament as Hebrew fanfiction. It's important as historical context and there's obviously lots of literary value in the OT, but overall it's always been the chain around Christianity's neck. Islam is even worse, it's just blatant copypasta/fanfiction except it fellates the Arabs (who were completely irrelevant historically until Muhammed and the Umayyads) instead of the Hebrews.

>>17995106
>Seems like OP is just some ANTIFA child rapist who thinks painting Christianity as socialism will justify his cult bullshit today. Kill yourself, you filthy Jew. Only a Christ-hating commie Jew would like like this about Christ and Christianity. And I know that's true because threads like these completely stop when someone starts making threads questioning the holocaust hoax and the rest of the WWII propaganda, all the little JIDF paid shills all flock to those threads instead of spamming their hatred for Christ and Christians.

>>17993618
Jesus literally tells people to follow the 10 commandments in Matthew you retard.

>>17997354
literally did the most difficult thing there is to do.