Thread 17997579

>Buddhism started and spread in India
>only like less than 1% of population are buddhist
Why? Buddhism is pretty much a superior version of Hindu religion

>>17997579 (OP)
>buddhist_cobson
>is actually a feraljak

>>17997579 (OP)
Hinduism like most Abrahamic faiths promise alot for just believing and doing the bare minimum, unless the option is brain dead pagan spiritualism like in China or Japan, it aint winning against these faiths

>>17997579 (OP)
I read about this yesterday. It's because hinduism basically absorved it throught the centuries, and, 1000 years ago, buddism in india basically became indistinguishable from hinduism

The buddha becoming an avatar of Vishnu also helped

1. Mudslime invasion and the destruction of Nalanda University
2. Adi Shankara and his movement to revive the Upanishad while stealing Buddhist concepts and practices and to maintain Brahminical power and status because the Buddha and Buddhist were deconstructing the caste system
3. Hindu texts claiming Buddha was an avatar of Vishnu to teach adharma
4. Vajrayana Tantric synergizing with Hindu Tantric practices in later Buddhist development. The lines and distinguishment between the two were being blurred.

tldr; hindu and mudslime influence

Hinduism, like most polytheistic religions, is an eclectic faith. They added gods and myths and ideas over time as more people from different areas were folded into the religion's sphere of influence. Buddhism was just another upstart religion to the ancient Hindu temples, they'd absorbed countless others before it.

>>17997579 (OP)
India used to be Buddhist before it got two punch K.O'd by Islamic invasion and Brahminic resurgence.

>>17997610
They played Second fiddle to Buddhism for an extremely long time. And even today Buddhism is not extinct in the subcontinent (Sri Lanka, Bhutan doesn't count, Sadly). Not only that, it supplanted Hinduism in large parts of South East Asia.

Inferior to Jainism

>>17997588
>brain dead pagan spiritualism like in China or Japan, it aint winning against these faiths
Those Chinese and Japaneae faiths existed alongside Dharmic religion and tended to paint their interactions with it.

>>17997644
>ooooh sorry I can't eat potatoes because digging them up might disturb some little creatures in the dirt
Jainism is interesting but quite silly. Might as well not breathe because you're breathing in bacteria that your immune system will kill. Hell, just kill yourself now to stop your evil body from killing the tiny creatures trying to infect you!

Jainism only makes some sense if you only consider visible creatures in your definition of "killing" - with microscopes we know that there are actually living creatures even in a lactovegetarian's food. What can you do to stop your body from killing germs? Give yourself AIDS intentionally? Again, the only way out appears to be suicide, and that doesn't seem very logical.

>>17997579 (OP)
Is any of the Buddhist mythology cool? Any stories that have interesting twists or whatever like in the Greek myths.Buddhism always seemed more boring to me as a religion. But I know it mutated into such varied forms as it spread. Ive been to arm museums and looked at buddhist art with depictions of boddisatvas with swords and stuff about boddisatvas basically becoming deities that patronize a certain sort of quality of life.

>>17998070
>Might as well not breathe because you're breathing in bacteria
Funnily enough, the priests were masks

>>17997579 (OP)
Indians hate discipline and cleanliness
The Buddha made a religion that fit other races more

>>17997588
> like most Abrahamic faiths promise alot for just believing and doing the bare minimum

literally only christianity places emphasis on faith alone. Sometimes I wonder why I even post on this site. It's like I'm in the truman show. Being given obviously false information just so I can have something to do by correcting anons.

>>17997579 (OP)
Buddhists retreated into the monasteries and focused on arcane scholastic debates and weird tantric shit while the Brahmins remained more socially and politically engaged. When the Muslims came in and destroyed all of the monasteries, Brahminism was much more resilient because of this.

>>17998253
Only some Christian theologies put emphasis that one is SAVED by FAITH ALONE. Judaism doesn't seem concerned about lofty spiritual ideas as much as either Christianity in general or Islam (again, to broadly generalize), they barely believe in an afterlife. Hence Jews tend to see worldly success as a good thing, while some Christians take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience to a rule that would be alien to the Jewish mindset.

>>17998232
>The Buddha made a religion that fit other races more
Yes, white people tend to be suicidal and anti-life nowadays.

>>17998172
>the priests were masks
were they?

>>17998253
>just believing and doing the bare minimum
>doing the bare minimum
ESL's seething

>>17997579 (OP)
Low IQ.
Buddhism is one of the extremely few religions/belief systems that come close to Christianity with intellectual baggage.
Hence why it was mostly spread to East Asians, while jeets reverted to worshipping toilets, eating cow shit and getting crushed by juggernauts.

>>17998070
>Again, the only way out appears to be suicide, and that doesn't seem very logical.
that’s unironically what the earliest jains were doing

>>17997586
Shut the fuck up. I will use you, and you will gag on my cock and call me master.

>>18000365
>Buddhism is one of the extremely few religions/belief systems that come close to Christianity with intellectual baggage.
Is "baggage" supposed to sound like a nice word?

>Hence why it was mostly spread to East Asians, while jeets reverted to worshipping toilets, eating cow shit and getting crushed by juggernauts.
Seems to me like you're a rather spiteful person. Maybe you should meditate more?

It started in Nepal, retard.

>>17998697
Fucking ESLs dont know it's the bear minimum

>>18001432
Nice troll. It's always funny to see people incorrectly correcting others and messing up basic English when they are a native speaker.

Buddhismus and Hinduism are the same religion. One is the war version one is the peace version. Its a political strategy. In times of war they can rely on one religion and in time of peace to the other and they will always have moral superiority.

>>17997586
FPBP
Thank you for your contribution to sóyence.

>>18001959
If anything Buddhism began as a reform of Brahmanism but quickly distinguished itself. It came to reject both the worship of an omnipotent deity (Brahma) and the notion of a self that isn't based in emptiness (anatman), while Hindoos believe in various needful deities and a self. Of course, there are a wide variety of Buddhist practices that vary by region. But to say the two are equivalent because they use some of the same terminology like "Dharma" (having been birthed in the same environment) is like saying Christianity and Islam are the same religion because they both talk about Jesus and claim descent from Abraham.

>>18001985
Blablabla... Do good , good will happen, do bad, bad will happen..... Blalblabala

>>18002013
yes, the concept of karma is common to both religions, because it was a widely held belief in the region at the time. Do you want to learn or discuss, or are you just here to hand wave away points that challenge you?

Nepal actually

>>17998253
>literally only christianity places emphasis on faith alone.
Someone hasn't heard about Amitābha Buddha

>>18001959
that makes no sense, buddhism is not a "pacificist" religion, it allows for self defense and war

>>18001959
Buddhism is a rebellion against casteism like Sikhism is. Sikhism is more the "war version" of Buddhism

>>17997614
>Brahminic resurgence

Not a thing.

Anglos killed Muslims and encouraged street shitterism.

>>18002259
Quite crazy because it is the most popular school out there, mostly because it is suitable for both lay persons and monks, those of high intellect and those with low.

NAMO AMITABHA BUDDHA

>>17997579 (OP)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samudragupta
He butchered them left and right

>>18001959
Both Buddhism and Hinduism have nonviolence as core tenets.

>>18004456

>>17997579 (OP)
There's a misconception that you need to shave your head, wear prison colors, and leave society to be a Buddhist. Of course, none of that is necessary. Plus it has the reputation of a "thou shalt not" type philosophy, whereas in Hinduism you have a lot of creative freedom, including creating your own god/s to worship if you want.

>>18005080
>buddhism and street shitterism are non violent

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

>>18002265
jeets and westerners are schizos,.just insult them

don't dignify these retards

where did jeets learn to lie so fucking much from?

jews?

Hinduism aka street shitterism was invented by anglos

Buddhists sperged out so hard that anglos stopped designating buddhism as part of street shitterism

Stepping on the shadow of a brahmin gets you killed and raping anyone who isn't a brahmin in street shitterism

>>18005117
You can justify fucking everything, even a monotheistic god with a saviour figure, in Hinduism. It looks like a coherent religion, but upon closer examination it is a leftover stew of often contradictory views cuz a bunch of Hindu “intellectuals” in the 19th century decided it’s a good idea to combine 12 (or so) schools into one.

There are Hindus who will unironically eat beef and not give a rat’s ass about the welfare of cattle. But hey, they aren’t vocal in the internet or get endorsed by the Indian government.

Buddhism is far more coherent, even with the Mahayana-Theravada split they still hold complimentary views and conclusions across both schools for the most part. Indian Buddhists for the longest time identified as Hindu because it was an eclectic religion, but started to specifically identify as Buddhist from the 20th century onwards thanks to the “unification” of Hinduism. India now has a sizeable Theravada Buddhist minority, and some Tibetan Buddhists as well due to the Dalai Lama’s taking refuge in India.

>>18004456
The Brahminic resurgence (religion) happened in the 800s you stupid retard. Save your Sotadic zone quarrels to other Sotadic zoners.

>>18005336
Btw, Islam was only ever majoritarian in select areas of Bengal and Khorasan/Hindustan before the partition.
>>18005199
India also owns part of the Himalayan Foothills. Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh. They are traditionally Tibetan Buddhists.
There's also Dalit Buddhism but that's just political larp.

>>18001379
Buddha was born in Nepal but achieved enlightenment in India
not that the distinction between the two meant anything in his time

>>18005132
>Buddhists sperged out so hard that anglos stopped designating buddhism as part of street shitterism
more on this?

>>17997579 (OP)
>a superior version of Hindu religion
>Hindu religion
Hindu "religion" is just a poorly sewn together mess of a whole bunch of different crap with only a few key points in common. There are both atheists and people who believe that an anthropomorphic elephant really exist within Hinduism.
Also, practically nobody actually thinks about their religion and goes through any kind of investigation to find the "best" option available, most people just copypaste the traditions from their families and communities.
Lastly, Buddhism has very little of what makes a religion go "viral" in that its form of proselytism is pretty much framed as personal advice, "do this and that to defeat suffering and anxiety", whereas Hiduism's obsession with dharma makes it the kind of religion that can easily become embedded into the fabric of a society, attach itself to people's identities and be exploited by those in power. Buddhism doesn't even bother to tell you to identify as a "Bhuddist" or offer a concrete definition of one as that's not really a concept that matches a religion that denies the self, and it also offers next to nothing to someone seeking to justify their power like you can with Hinduism's caste system.

>>18005199
>You can justify fucking everything, even a monotheistic god with a saviour figure, in street shitterism

wrong.


>It looks like a coherent religion

wrong.

>a bunch of Hindu “intellectuals” in the 19th century

wrong, it was invented by one brit who looked at the british census of india and decided anyone who isn't a "mohammedian" is a native to india and one religion. this would've not happened if brits didn't hate islam. Thus, street shitterism is a british contruct and it revolves around hating islam.

>12 schools

wrong.

multiply that by a large number.

>>17997579 (OP)
samr reason Christrannies are a small minority in Palestine/Israel

>>18005596
They complained about being lumped with street shitters. British Iranologists complained about it the gross simplification too.

Because devotional bhakti movements provided accessible spiritual paths to the masses.

>>18005132
>>18005627
Why would you come into a thread and shit it up so badly?

>MUH STREET SHITTERISM
C'mon dude, are you Pakistani or something? Why are you so upset about India and Hinduism? Sure, I think there's too many of them here in Canada, but there's also too many Muslims immigrating here too, and Africans, etc.

>>18005627
Damn, are you so butthurt to not see that anon in >>18005610
agreed with all of your points? Street shitterism, as you called it and as the name implies can be used to justify everything, has every view, looks coherent to normies (hence why so many normies go to india to kiss the feet of “gurus”) and can do all of this because it’s shit masquerading as “‘muh vedic knowledge”. The British construct part is true tho, but it’s not like the Indians rejected the label after the British left, they embraced it instead and attempted to make it real.

>>18006538
>SAAAAAR WHY U HATE ME?? WHY U DONT MOZLEEEMS TOO? SAAAR I AM WHITE EUROPEANS LET ME MARRY YOUNG CANADIAN BLONDE GIRL SAAAAAAR

>>18006659
still superior to muslins

>>18006670
Maybe Muslim jeets but no to any other.

>>18006670
why are you lying about your race, jeet?

>>18006659
Dude, your obsession with Jeets is embarrassing. Are you Pakistani? Honest question. I can't think of anyone other group who would be so OBSESSED.

>>18006689
stop samefagging and deflecting, jeet

answer >>18006680

>>18006697
You are tilting at windmills dude. Thinking everyone is the same imaginary Indian out to get you. You probably need psychiatric help.

>>18006716
saaaaar

>>18006725
>he saves pictures of Indian men on his device
Why? So you can jack off to them? Disgusting.

>>18005074
based?

>>18001379
south asia is a term used by liberal faggots
it's all indian

The biggest reason is that Buddhism was heavily centered on monasteries which required royal patronage that vanished when the Muslims came. Hinduism was much more robust to this shock and so was in a position to absorb Buddhist ideas people still found valuable

buddhism and jainism fall under the umbrella of hinduism
hinduism is a poor term used by english speakers to define multiple indian traditions at once

>>18004456
>Anglos killed Muslims and encouraged street shitterism.
Complete retard.
The British Raj singlehandedly turned Punjab into a majority Muslim region by a mass programme of irrigation canal building in the sparsely populated Muslim west. Same in Bengal with rice cultivation in the Muslim majority east.
Pakistan wouldn't exist without the Raj spending money on agricultural projects that let Muslim fertility rates explode.

>>18004456
>Anglos killed Muslims
is this nigger retarded

>>18006774
Hinduism is not Buddhism, Buddhism is not Hinduism. Jainism is neither of these.

They're Dharmic religions, just like you wouldn't say "Christianity and Islam are Judaism" instead they are Abrahamic religions with common roots.

>>18006792
>>18006774
>>18006737
>SAAAAAAAAAAR

kill yourself

if you looked less retarded, your retarded lies would be more believable

>>18006863
>Saaaar Abrahamic religions
>Valhalla saaaar
>saaar make me white

why are you like this, jeet?

>>18006792
Prior to partion those regions were either narrow muslim majorities or muslim pluralities. They really only became monolithic after partition. Then again if I recall correctly the amount of muslims in the rest of India was slightly greater.
Frankly the biggest losers of british rule+partition may have been Sikhs, the bastard children of both religions.
Biggest winner? Protestantism.

>>18006981
>>18006988
Why do you save pictures of Indian men and post them? Aesthetic reasons? Are you aroused by then? Trying to think of other reasons why a supposedly really not Hindoostani man would save so many pictures of subcontinent guys.... Are you gay?

Also you are jumping around like a monkey mocking a very specific race that I could care less about. If you aren't Pakistani, there's no reason to let Indians live rent free in your head and absolutely no reason to devote hours of your time to exaggerating their speech here. Hopefully they find a cure for your autism dude.

>>18006988
>sad /pol/ bait
Oi wanker can you shut your bloody mouth? Bloody hell, you stink of soft white trash!

>>18007003
While Protestantism is growing in india, as someone who has had the horrible pleasure of visiting the areas where it’s strong it’s largely because of poor working classes finally gaining some social mobility. Said mobility causes them to question their beliefs and along comes the screaming evangelist who sugar-coats Christianity and promises a community with easy help and charity whenever the poors fall into dire straits. Often this continues until the next generation, who by travel or by getting better jobs, question the Christian beliefs again and end up secular humanist, Buddhist or Communist.

>>18006670
>still superior to muslins

>>18007010
>Why do you save pictures of Indian men and post them? Aesthetic reasons? Are you aroused by then? Trying to think of other reasons why a supposedly really not Hindoostani man would save so many pictures of subcontinent guys.... Are you gay?
>Also you are jumping around like a monkey mocking a very specific race that I could care less about. If you aren't Pakistani, there's no reason to let Indians live rent free in your head and absolutely no reason to devote hours of your time to exaggerating their speech here. Hopefully they find a cure for your autism dud-ACK

>>18007015
From your description I don't think you have ever been to Nagaland, Meghalaya, Manipur or Mizoram. Which are the provinces in India where Christianity is the majority religion. And which coincidentally were mostly populated by animists prior to british conquest. Though Manipur, which was a hindu kingdom at time of conquest, also has a large Hindu population. The census figures are all extremely outdated though. India hasn't had a census in 14 years.

>>18007010
>>18007015
>/pol/ hates fake ethnostates
>you're a paki if you don't like street shitters
>t.

>>18007760
You're on the wrong board, this is /his/. Maybe go back to >>>/pol/ or /b/ to spew tired racism? Or even /int/ or /bant/?

>>18007847
>/pol/ is anti white
>see you in valhalla saaar

>>18007847
This you?

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/paki/country/IN/

>>18007963
>>18007968
Obsessed.