Thread 17997747

Why can't Americans come to terms with the fact that they've lost wars since WWII? The Soviets, at least acknowledged their failure to conquer Afghanistan.

>>17997747 (OP)
Because they were never actually military defeated.

>hide in the woods until the US leave
>while blowing up your own people
>actually we're the good guys
wow, good job vietnam

Why can't you make a distinction between political and military defeat? Is it because you're an ignoramus? I think so

>>17997747 (OP)
Nobody wants to admit they lost a war. Ask anyone from any country about a war they lost and they'll almost always babble some cope narrative.
>>17997778
The US didn't consider this a military operation. It was legally classified as a police action. So it doesn't really matter.
>>17997792
How were they "politically" defeated? They propped up South Vietnam and then it collapsed the moment they left it alone for a minute. Yet somehow they managed to preserve South Korea 20 years prior? The south got btfo militarily. Unless you're one of those boomers who thinks it was because some smelly hippies started carrying picket signs.

>>17997813
South Korea only had to worry about the North, which was kept in check by the heavily militarized DMZ. South Vietnam had to deal with the Ho Chi Minh Trail, which passed through "neutral" Laos and Cambodia. Only a full scale invasion and occupation of those countries could put a stop to it, but political constraints barred them from doing so.

>>17997747 (OP)
Pretty sure America won Grenada, Panama, and Iraq just to name a couple wins.

Has America fought any hot war with any decent Army post WW2?

>>17999458
Decent armies by americas standards? No
Decent armies by the worlds standards? Yes Iraq in the first Gulf War.

I'm American and will freely admit the US lost the vietnam war.

>>17997784
>winning is when you leave after thousands of your troops died for nothing and the puppet state you wasted trillions to prop up collapsed in a day
wow, good job mutt

>>17997747 (OP)
why can't yuros come to terms with the fact they got raped and gaped and unconditionally surrendered to fucking egypt of all places?

>>17999486
>winning is when you dump dioxin on gooks and give them birth defects
maybe?

>>17999542
>winning is when you murder random civilians

>>17999576
that's what the vietnamese communists did

>>17997747 (OP)
Did they ever win a war. Last time I checked they lost against themselves and WW2 was the success of russia.

>>17999583
Didn’t you just brag about killing civilians? Retarded, evil golem

>>17997747 (OP)
americans know they lost vietnam idiot. otherwise what was Rambo's problem? He had ptsd because we lost. He even says somebody wouldn't let us win. No American is going to contradict rambo to his face.

>>17999458
Yes, during the Korean war they fought Chinese troops equipped with Soviet weapons at some point. And failed.

>>17999486
>collapsed in a day
South Vietnam lasted for years after America left you dullard.

>>17997747 (OP)
>The Soviets, at least acknowledged their failure to conquer Afghanistan.

Read some translated zigger propaganda, they just straight up pretend that the Soviet-Afghan War never happened.

>>17997778
>result - North Vietnamese victory

>>17997784
>hide in the woods until the US leave
>US casualties - 58,000 killed, 300,000 wounded

This is pure fucking cope, the Vietcong and the PAVN both engaged US forces in combat from the very day they arrived to the very day they left.

>>17997837

OP is specifically talking about the Vietnam War, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. All three of which command a greater place in the American national conscious than wars that were over in a matter of weeks.

>>17997835

The ROK Army in general was just better than the ARVN. It initially struggled against the PKA in 1950 but after that, they reorganized, had a shakedown in leadership, and completely turned it around. By 1953, they were pulling their own weight. The ARVN never had that reckoning, it was beset by the same crippling problems it had on its first day to its very last.

>>17999618
The fact that South Korea exists means China lost.

>>17999687
>OP is specifically talking about the Vietnam War, and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars
>America never won a war except for the wars they won but those don't count.
K

How did America lose Iraq? Both 91' and 03' were both victories.

>>17999687
>the Vietcong and the PAVN both engaged US forces in combat from the very day they arrived to the very day they left.
PAVN and NVA both yes but the Vietcong were long dead before the US left.

The Soviets didn’t have open elections, so Gorbachev could admit disaster in Afghanistan without losing a popular vote.

>>17999795
By that logic the fact that North Korea still exists means the US lost as well.

>>17999997
Its almost like the war didnt end. Fucking illiterate fucks.

>>17999997
Except North Korea started it and the US got involved to protect South Korea, which they accomplished.

>>17997747 (OP)
Soviets never tried to conquer Afghanistan, they were supporting the afghan government against terrorists and largely succeeded

>>18000026
Nice copium, considering that the US controlled almost the entire peninsula including Pyongyang before the chink incursion.

>>17999982
There was no disaster though

The soviets pulled out in an organized fashion leaving a stable socialist government behind that lasted for years

>>18000050
>NOOO, you can’t just have allies! You need to be defenseless and let us colonize you!

>>18000042
>Violently confiscates land from rural population
>Forces them to adopt Western style customs, education, and dress codes they never asked for
>People rise up to overthrow the oppressive government
>um akshully the irregular militants are the bad guys

>>17997747 (OP)
why can't yuros come to terms with the fact they lost a war and unconditionally surrendered to egypt?