Thread 18007299

Some words in older languages don't have literal translations in our own language, think of it as false friends.

If there is a text that needs accurate translations, it's the bible and it's incredible how many words in the bible are thought as given without any further study. I had to look at many translations and commentary to learn meaning in some parts of the bible that should be obvious and a given.

In the cause of fear, for what I know, and correct if I'm mistaken, it doesn't mean literally fear, but more like "respect" and "severance". You fear bad things and dangerous things that can destroy you but God is good and wants the best for us so I never understood why you have to fear that.

Can anyone show me? There are more words like this in the bible with misunderstood meanings, like "meek" and I want to know them.

>>18007299 (OP)
If you do not fear God you will not respect him. God doesn't want you to do sin, but if you do not fear God you will not take not sinning seriously enough, you will not feel the urgency to be righteous, and when presented with opportunities to sin in a way that it may seem to you that it is not that bad the you will just say, eh, God will forgive me. Instead of fasting, fuck no, I fear God. God is serious business, if he decrees a sentence against your there's no one who can remove it from you. You will be forced to endure it even if you cannot bare it.

Job: “But he stands alone, and who can oppose him?
He does whatever he pleases.
He carries out his decree against me,
and many such plans he still has in store.
That is why I am terrified before him;
when I think of all this, I fear him.
God has made my heart faint;
the Almighty has terrified me.
Yet I am not silenced by the darkness,
by the thick darkness that covers my face.

>>18007576
How many sins are there? How do you know if something is a sin or not? The idea of the primordial sin in the first place is the disconnect of good and evil.

>>18007299 (OP)
>words like this in the bible with misunderstood meanings, like "meek"
How is meek misunderstood?

>>18007589
The law of God tells you what is and isn't sin. Those who fear God gain understanding on how to please him.

>>18007299 (OP)
Also Job:
if I have raised my hand against the fatherless,
knowing that I had influence in court,
then let my arm fall from the shoulder,
let it be broken off at the joint.
For I dreaded destruction from God,
and for fear of his splendor I could not do such things.

>>18007605
>>18007600
List of sins I've found:

1. Abusers of Self: Self polluters, having unnatural lusts

2. Adultery (Note: Only for those who have been married)

3. Anger

4. Backbiters: Those whospeak evil of those who are absent

5. Banqueting: A drinking party

6. Becoming a Stumbling Block to a Weak Brother Through Our Liberty: Taking liberty to do things without thinking of the effect on a weaker brother's conscience.

7. Being Angry With One's Brother: Expressing unkind thought or action toward others

8. Bitterness

9. Blasphemy

10. Boasting

11. Brawling

12. Brother Going to Law Against Brother: No definition given, so I'll wing it. Bringing legal action against another. If someone has a better definition, please let me know.

13. Burying our Talents: Not making wise use of what God gave us

14. Calling One's Brother A Fool: Ridiculing another

15. Chambering: Unmarried people living and sleeping together

16. Clamor: Loud, continued noises

17. Complaining

18. Contentious:Quarrelsome

19. Corrupt Communications:Unprofitable or impure language

20. Covenant Breakers: Lightly breaking a solemn or legal pact.

21. Covetousness

22. Craftiness: Cunningness

23. Debate

24. Deceit

25. Defiling the Body

26. Defraud

27. Denying Christ

28. Desiring the Praise of Men: Doing things to gain praise.

29. Despiteful

30. Dishonesty

31. Disobedience to Parents

32. Divisions: Forming splits or schisms in groups

33. Divorce

34. Double Tongued: Making insincere statements

35. Drunkenness

36. Eating the Bread, or Drinking The Lord's Cup Unworthily: Taking communion while living in sin

37. Effeminate: Unmanly or womanish man.

38. Emulations: Ambition to excel

39. Envy

40. Evil Concupiscence: Longing or desire for forbidden things.

41. Evil Eye: Having selfish motives

42. Evil Thoughts: Worthless, injurious, or depraved thoughts

>>18007610
43. Extortion

44. Fathers Provoking Children to Wrath: Frustrating children through harsh treatment and/or failure to communicate.

45. Fearful: Discouraged, anxious, faithless

46. Filthiness

47. Filthy Lucre: Recieving personal gain through unrighteousness.

48. Finding Faults With Others While Having a Greater Fault Ourself

49. Foolishness

50. Foolish talking : Silliness.

51. Giving False Witness

52. Fornication

53. Giving Offense: Causing another to fall spiritually by our example.

54. Greediness

55. Guile: Deceit

56. Haters of God

57. Hatred

58. Having Evil Treasures in the Heart: (The definition doesn't make any more sense).

59. Having Pleasure in Them That Do Things Worthy of Death: Enjoying the company of sinners.

60. Hearing the Sayings of Christ, but Not Following Them

61. Heresies: Religious opinion different from established Scripture.

62. Highmindedness: Arrogant

63. Hypocrisy

64. Idle Words: Words of no value.

65. Idolatry: Loving someone or something more than God.

66. Implacable: Refusing to be appeased

67. Inordinate Affection: Passion, lust.

68. Inventors of Evil Things: Those who contrive evil ways to satisfy their carnal lusts.

69. Jesting: Talking to make others laugh.

70. Judging

71. Knowing to Do Good, but Doing it Not

72. Lasciviousness: Lustful, wanton, exciting lust.

73. Laying Up Treasures on Earth: Pursuing material success at the expense of spiritual things.

74. Living in Pleasure: Fond of luxury and sensual pleasure/gratification.

75. Lovers of Self

76. Loving Another Person More Than Jesus

77. Lusting After a Woman

78. Lying

79. Maliciousness

80. Malignity: Being harmful or dangerous, bad character.

81. A Man Prophesying or Praying With His Head Covered.

82. Mockery

83. Murder

>>18007611
84. Murmering: Grumbling, secretly complaining

85. Presumptious

86. Pride: Self esteem.

87. Puffed Up: Overestimating of one's ability or knowledge.

88. Purloining

89. Railing: Slander

90. Revellings: Overindulgence at feasts, merrymaking.

91. Rioting

92. Seditions: Stirring up opposition against authority.

93. Self Will: Arrogant

94. Speaking Against the Holy Ghost

95. Sorcery: Practicing magic with aid from evil spirits.

96. Speaking Evil of Dignities: Speaking ill of those to be honored.

97. Stealing

98. Stiff-Necked and Uncircumcised in Hearts and Ears: Obstinate

99. Strife: Quarreling, seeking superiority

100. Striker: Ready to Fight

101. Swearing: To take oath (as in court).

102. Teaching for Doctrine the Commandments of Men: Neglecting God's commandments by manmade interpretation or commandments.

103. Traitors

104. Trusting in Riches

105. Not Entering by the Door Into the Sheepfold: Seeking salvation through means other than the blood of Christ.

106. Unbelief: Lack of faith.

107. Uncleanness

108. Unforgiving Heart

109. Unmerciful

110. Unrighteousness: Moral wrongfulness.

111. Unthankfulness

112. Vain Jangling: Babbling.

113. Variance: Strife

114. Voluntary Humility: False humilty.

115. Wantonness: Lustful, morally unrestrained.

116. Whisperers: Secretly spreading false or slanderous information.

117. Whoremongers:One who associates with whores, a male prostitute.

118. Witchcraft

119. Wickedness: Evil practices, crime.

120. Without Normal Affection: Hardhearted.

121. Without Understanding: Unwise

122. Wrath

123. Woman Cutting Her Hair

124. Woman Prophesying or Praying With Her Head Uncovered


This is impossible to follow

>>18007613
Be merciful to others when they do you wrong and God will be merciful with you in the day of judgement and not hold you accountable for your sins.

Forgive others and then God will forgive you.

>>18007660
Thanks anon, that makes me feel a bit better. I hope that's true.

>>18007299 (OP)
>Some words in older languages don't have literal translations in our own language...
Most of them, honestly. Even concepts like "true" don't map exactly 1:1 to what we understand as "true". That's why it's silly to confidently interpret and re-interpret the scripture without referencing the saints and the tradition.

>>18007591
I’m not the OP but I was under the impression that ‘meek’ in it’s biblical context (‘the meek shall inherit the earth’ and such lines) moreso refers to those who do not seek earthly power and possessions, instead trusting in God’s promise

I kind of prefer the translations. Words like meek carry cultural baggage that wasn’t present in the original texts.

>>18007610
>2. Adultery (Note: Only for those who have been married)
An unmarried person can still commit adultery with someone who is married.

>3. Anger
The Bible does not straight up call anger sin, otherwise the divine wrath of Jesus Christ, when He overturned the tables of the moneychangers would have been sin. The Bible teaches us to leave vengeance to the Lord and not to let the sun go down on our wrath. But it doesn't just say all anger is sin. That is incorrect, and really a devious and satanic teaching since it indirectly condemns God for having righteous wrath against sin.
>7. Being Angry With One's Brother:
Same as above. Matthew 5:22 in the KJV and received text says "angry without a cause" is wrong and sinful, but not all anger.

>16. Clamor: Loud, continued noises
I don't think this is what clamor means. It's more specific than just being loud.
>20. Covenant Breakers: Lightly breaking a solemn or legal pact.
More like breaking it for any reason.
>32. Divisions: Forming splits or schisms in groups
Not specific enough. The term "hereticos" means creating factions and separating from believers. Jesus said He came to create division. See Luke 12:51

"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:"

>57. Hatred
The Bible says that God hates sin.
>70. Judging
See 1 Corinthians 2:15 and 6:1-4.
>123. Woman Cutting Her Hair
This one is not really sinful, it's just not something someone would want to do.

Nice AI prompt I guess. You even got it to sort things all alphabetical even if many of these don't make sense and in fact qualify as bearing false witness, deceit and dishonesty if you know they're inaccurate to what the Bible says but say them here anyways.

>>18008413
>>7. Being Angry With One's Brother:
>Same as above. Matthew 5:22 in the KJV and received text says "angry without a cause" is wrong and sinful, but not all anger.
Right, so the teaching is actually completely void since most of the time the angry person feels completely justified and can pinpoint many causes for their anger. This is obviously just convenience-driven bullshit. Many saints are vocal about the now cliche'd "hate the sin, not the sinner" in different ways and being angry with your brother is more or less about that.
A good rule of thumb is that if your interpretation of a teaching results in you having to change almost nothing about yourself, it's a poor interpretation.

>>70. Judging
>See 1 Corinthians 2:15 and 6:1-4.
It literally points out judging "things" and "matters", not people, which is what the list point meant.

>>18008450
>Right, so the teaching is actually completely void since most of the time the angry person feels completely justified and can pinpoint many causes for their anger.
God is the one who decides whether they had a cause to be angry or not.

>>18008450
>It literally points out judging "things" and "matters", not people, which is what the list point meant.
The list literally just said "70. Judging"

The actual teaching that this bullet point, saying that "Judging" is sin, seems to be based on is Matthew 7:1. But it completely misses what Jesus was saying in that part of the Sermon and instead concludes that judging, full stop, is said to be a sin.

>>18008475
So again, the teaching is not really asking you to change anything, it just lets you know that God will give you an evaluation at some point. Is that a good interpretation?

>>18008487
>The list literally just said "70. Judging"
I'm aware. There could have been ways to make the list more autism-proof, but in general when it comes to "judging", it means people. Nobody ever requested that you stop judging in the sense of evaluating poorer or better outcomes in general, cognition itself depends on judgements. Would you say the creator of the list was trying to tell you to stop all your cognitive processes?

>>18008488
>it just lets you know that God will give you an evaluation at some point.
It lets you know that you've been officially warned about being angry against your brother without a cause.

"But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."
- Luke 12:5

>>18008494
"You've been officially warned that anger needs a reason" again, 99% of angry people will readily point out reasons. It's a convenient interpretation, not a transformative one.

>>18008493
>There could have been ways to make the list more autism-proof, but in general when it comes to "judging", it means people.
I like to look at the parallel passages that use the same language to better understand what this means. In this case, for Matthew 7:1 we have the following:

"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"
(Luke 6:37)

"And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses."
(Mark 11:25-26)

You can also look at the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18:23 for example. Since the teachings throughout are consistent, this helps provide context to Matthew 7, which is part of the Sermon on the Mount. The most important context of all, perhaps, comes from the surrounding passage around Matthew 7:1 itself, though.

I thought it would be good to clarify that item on the list by quoting 1 Corinthians, since there is clearly necessary judging going on, and in fact it says that He which is spiritual judges all things in 1 Corinthians 2:15.

Sometimes people will come at me with a verse like Matthew 7:1 or Romans 2:1, which at first glance appears to be saying that we should refrain from this "judging" activity. But if you read on in either passage, or in places like John chapter 3, you find out that the judgement has already been passed by God upon sin.

Me repeating what the Bible judges is technically not me judging, I'm just reminding you of what the Bible says, and I didn't write it. It is definitely true that He which is spiritual judges all things (1 Cor. 2:15). The saints also play a part in the coming judgement as well, see for example Psalm 149:9, Jude 1:14-15, Matthew 19:28, and yes 1 Corinthians 6:2 where Paul says, "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?"

>>18008522
Agreed, but here again my point is echoed. So in cases of "judge not", the context is people (Luke 6, Mark 11...). In cases where judgement is declared, it's a matter of judging "things" or "matters" (1st Cor 2) or it's reserved for literal saints who in their entire being represent God to whom judgement belongs (Psalm 149:9, Jude 1:14-15, Matthew 19:28, and yes 1 Corinthians 6:2)

The autistic reader will definitely appreciate your clarification, but in general it should have been obvious that the list wasn't addressing saints and their duties and the list wasn't asking us all to cease our cognitive processes by interrupting each judgement.

>>18007675
>without referencing the saints and the tradition.
but they are worse case of re-interpreting

>>18007299 (OP)
Don't post unless you've checked Hebrew/Greek and AI, just don't do it.

>>18008555
There might be cases where something was re-interpreted but if you want to go from re-interpretation to original interpretation, the Church is the place to go. Not just due to the history but also due to the fact that the words are lived by the saints so they can point out the meaning on actual examples.

>>18008537
People say "don't judge" all the time when it is pointed out that they are doing something wrong according to the Bible. To defend themselves, they often twist Matthew 7:1 or some other sentence fragment out of the Bible. This leads to the false idea that what they deem to be "judging" is a sin.

An example of this behavior can be found in a passage in the Bible itself, pretty early on. In Genesis 19, the inhabitants of Sodom accuse Lot of making himself a judge. See below:

"And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door."
(Genesis 19:9)

These are the same exact kind of people we are dealing with today. This shows you their true colors. The AI clearly took this bullet point from the countless articles people like this wrote, their misinterpretations of Matthew 7:1, Romans 2:1 etc. It didn't come from nowhere.

But to go back to my example of Romans 2:1, all you have to do is read on to verse 2. It says, "But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."

So you see, according to the Bible, we are immunized against those accusations. Repeating the judgement of God on sin is indeed commanded to us. It is an act of deception to frame this as "the sin of judging" (something which doesn't exist), since Jesus' warning in the Sermon is that one should not judge, LEST they be judged.

As long as we are ready to be held to the same standard (see Matthew 7:2) there is literally no problem with judging according to the Bible. As it says in Romans 2:2, I do not have to make an independent assessment based on my reason and logic. But biblically speaking, I can still in fact perform the act of judging, even now, regardless of what person or action we are talking about, as long as there is the correct Biblical context to it.

>>18008566
>People say "don't judge" all the time when it is pointed out that they are doing something wrong according to the Bible.
If they feel personally judged, yes. And they are right that they shouldn't be judged as a person for what they did wrong.
When I provide feedback in an impersonal and pragmatic manner I have yet to hear someone respond with "judge not".
>misinterpretations of Matthew 7:1, Romans 2:1 etc.
There was no misinterpretation. The AI just trusted that the average reader isn't autistic, which is a valid premise.
>verse 2. It says, "But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things."
It is. Do you have access to this judgement? A woman in Bronx stole an apple yesterday, what is God's verdict, tell me.
>Repeating the judgement of God on sin is indeed commanded to us.
So not on people. That is my point.
>It is an act of deception to frame this as "the sin of judging"
No, it isn't. It's just a shorter way of saying "the sin of judging people". Again, most readers readily understand that they were not asked to cease cognition. Please greentext this sentence so I know you read it.

>>18008582
>Do you have access to this judgement?
Yes because it is in the Holy Bible.

>And they are right that they shouldn't be judged as a person for what they did wrong.
Then you and I disagree. I know, for example, that sodomites will certainly be going to hell, according to what it says in Romans 1. They absolutely do deserve to be judged, and when I point out what the Bible says, I'm judging them correctly.

>When I provide feedback in an impersonal and pragmatic manner I have yet to hear someone respond with "judge not".
Maybe you are politically correct, anon.
>So not on people. That is my point.
I didn't say that though. Try learning to read more carefully.
>Again, most readers readily understand that they were not asked to cease cognition.
Most people know what I am talking about, but a few pretend not to anyway for some reason.
>Please greentext this sentence so I know you read it.
I'll respond however I want, anon.

>>18008596
>>Do you have access to this judgement?
>Yes because it is in the Holy Bible.
>[doesn't reveal God's verdict on the Bronx thief]
Of couse.

>Most people know what I am talking about, but a few pretend not to anyway for some reason.
Everyone knows what you're talking about, you're proposing here the most convenient and widespread take - I get to judge whoever and whenever as long as I have verses ready.

Again, most readers readily understand that they were not asked to cease cognition. They were asked to not judge people. And that is a legitimate teaching.

>>18008602
>[doesn't reveal God's verdict on the Bronx thief]
>Of couse
Ever heard of the ten commandments?

>>18008602
>And that is a legitimate teaching.
Not from the Bible though. For me, that changes things.

>>18008603
I did. So what is God's verdict on the thief herself? Just tell me straight.

>>18008608
See >>18008537 All the verses you brought up clearly showed judging people is for God and in the future for saints. You get to judge things and sometimes repeat a judgement God has revealed (so not judging yourself lol)

>>18008610
>You get to judge things and sometimes repeat a judgement God has revealed
Hey I could do that all day long.

>I did.
Then you know the answer. If you as a saved person have the word of God and actually bother to read it, you don't need me to provide anything you don't already have.

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
(1 John 2:27)

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
(2 Timothy 3:16-17)

>>18008625
>still doesn't tell it
Woah Anon one would almost say that you don't actually have access to God's verdicts on individual people. It's almost like you're trying to guess his verdict based on whatever verse you find relevant to the limited information you posess.

For the last time, what is God's verdict on the Bronx thief? I'll