Thread 18053691

>I killed them, I killed them all. Not just the men but women and the children too
>They were papist royalists and I slaughtered them like papist royalists

>>18053691 (OP)
Sorry Micks but the reality is that Ireland is simply too close to Britain for them to have allowed it to be independent throughout history. Every time there was an independent Ireland or Scotland throughout the middle ages and early modern period, England was under constant threat of border raids, piracy, or those places being used as staging grounds for full scale invasions of England.

The victim/victimizer duality mindset being applied to entire ethnic groups and nation states is honestly so retarded and tiring.

>>18053724
Ho Lee Fuk are you a bot or just retarded?

>>18053724
At least Scotland had some dignity and was absorbed via a union and dynastic marriages. Ireland is just pathetic and was outright conquered.

>>18053740
I am neither, dipshit. I am simply responding to this thread that is predicated on the ridiculous myth that Cromwell le genocided the helpless Irish just because they were Catholic. He invaded Ireland to ensure it didn't become a Royalist stronghold from which an army could paddle across in a day and invade the commonwealth.

>>18053724
>FPBP

Would protestants have given up their heresies and gone back to the true church if they could see that this was the future they were creating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILEapoVwdyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoxyO8e_suY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ECFMIKD_Vw

>>18053958
>their heresies
>their
The heretics were the ones who tried to give out "get into heaven free" cards

>>18053724
You kind of lose any chance at justification on this topic once you get into the artificial famine the English created.

>>18054021
what "famine" are we talking? the one cromwell caused was in no way unusual for the era. the elizabethian one was unforgivable, I agree

>>18053724
>The victim/victimizer duality mindset being applied to entire ethnic groups and nation states is honestly so retarded and tiring
>this right after muh poor angloids

>>18054051
I think anon was just bringing up context that the anglos weren't uniquely or irrationally evil in oppressing the irish

>>18053691 (OP)
the single chuddiest leader in western history

>>18054047
That we’re having the ‘which famine do you mean’ discussion I think illustrates my point. The Irish have a reason to be angry at the English. I was simply pointing out that despite Ireland sometimes being a potential thorn in Britain’s side, the way they’ve been treated firmly puts things in a victim/victimizer relationship. I will agree that some of the deaths weren’t really the fault of the English outside of the norm for warfare and civil strife of the era. Just once you get into the later stuff like the great famine it becomes pretty indefensible.

>>18054063
he worshipped Jews too much to be a real chud, though he would otherwise fit the bill

>>18054070
I still think the Victim angle is pretty weird. What other victims are happy with their victimizer being responsible for protecting their seas and airspace? Europe is full of countries who massacred each other mercilessly and don't feel any guilt about it but none really brings that up nowadays
and honestly, it gets really fucking annoying when the irish president criticizes us for not spending on the military like our only major neigbhour was a major ally.

>his legal defense boils down to "umad?"
I love this lil nigga.

>>18053975
>"get into heaven free" cards
>free
It literally cost money

>>18054270
>ESLfag doesn't understand what "free" means in this context
pottery

>>18054282
In this context free means not-free, and giving out means selling

>>18054310
I wasn't referring to the means by which one acquired an indulgence you retard, I was referring to what those indulgences did. Keep up, jfc

>>18054062
Exactly. Literally every nation has done fucked up shit, the only difference is that major powers recorded everything whereas the retards eating each other in Africa didn't even have the ability to write.

>>18053691 (OP)
The wrong side won the English Civil War

>>18054841
True, the Covenanters should've won

>>18054113
>What other victims are happy with their victimizer being responsible for protecting their seas and airspace?

That doesn't happen though. Do you seriously think the Royal Navy and Royal airforce are patrolling Irelands seas and skies everyday? You're just a deluded British boomer and your head is up your ass.

>>18054113
>gets really fucking annoying when the irish president criticizes us for not spending on the military like our only major neigbhour was a major ally.

When the fuck has the President of Ireland ever criticised Britain for their military spending? You're so full of shit and are lying out your hole.

>>18056315
kek, good one

>>18056315
KEK

>>18056315
kino

>>18056366
>That doesn't happen though. Do you seriously think the Royal Navy and Royal airforce are patrolling Irelands seas and skies everyday? You're just a deluded British boomer and your head is up your ass.
I did not say that, I said the irish have surrendered the responsibility for their own skies and sea to the british to the point the british navy treats irish waters as their own.
>>18056367
you're technically right. he attacked all of NATO, not Britain specifically.
https://www.irishtimes.com/science/2025/01/08/president-condemns-nato-and-escalating-global-military-spending-when-number-affected-by-hunger-has-risen-by-200-million/

>>18056566
>did not say that, I said the irish have surrendered the responsibility for their own skies and sea to the british to the point the british navy treats irish waters as their own.

The British navy doesn't operate in Irish waters nor does the RAF operate in Irish airspace so what the fuck are you on about? The Irish coast guard and air corps assist the authorities in Northern Ireland so does that mean the UK has surrendered responsibility for NI to the Republic of Ireland? You're deluded as fuck.

>>18056813
seems I made a mistake and confused the economic zone with the national waters. still Ireland is fine with british military vessels ordering their civil ships around in that zone
>The Irish coast guard and air corps assist the authorities in Northern Ireland
you mean the two forces that consist of two ships and a bunch of helicopters? what do you think Ireland would do against any serious military pressure besides hoping the UK won't accept someone snooping around in their backyard? do you think it's usual that countries who identify as victims disarm themselves completely in the face of that victimizer?

>>18053724
So Catholicism was spread throughout Ireland in order to engage them in proxy conflicts with England?

>>18056923
>still Ireland is fine with british military vessels ordering their civil ships around in that zone

This is from the article you took the screenshot from.
>The Department of Foreign Affairs has launched an investigation following a confrontation between a Royal Navy warship and an Irish-registered trawler off the Donegal coast.
An Air Corps maritime patrol aircraft was dispatched and two Irish naval ships placed on standby after the skipper of the Killybegs-based fishing vessel, the Marliona, reported that a UK frigate ordered him to leave the area where he was fishing 60 miles off the Irish coast.

>It is understood that HMS Lancaster hailed the fishing vessel on Tuesday morning, informing the skipper they were commencing a joint operation with a submarine which would continue over the next three days.

>A probe was launched after the incident was reported to the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Defence Forces. A maritime aircraft was sent to monitor the area where the UK warship was operating and two Irish naval vessels were redeployed to "show the flag".

>>18056923
>you think it's usual that countries who identify as victims disarm themselves completely in the face of that victimizer?

Victims? You're seething and a bit mental.

We should be armed to the teeth though and Britain is the biggest threat to us. They already struck the mortal blow these past 20 or so years so doesn't really matter anymore. They destroyed their own country and want to take ours down with them or they'll try fuck Ireland over to save their own from what they've brought on themselves.

>>18057795
>A maritime aircraft was sent to monitor the area where the UK warship was operating and two Irish naval vessels were redeployed to "show the flag
which you understand was a completely impotent show of force as Ireland lacks any ability to deal with submarines, right?
when a russian submarine violates british waters they ask the british navy to track and escort it out out of them
when a russian submarine violates irish waters they ask the british navy to track and escort it out of them
do you see the difference?

>Victims? You're seething and a bit mental.
>or they'll try to fuck Ireland over to save themselves
lmao. anyway Ireland has managed to ape britains worst politics pretty well on their own

>>18057417
Nah, it's just that Micks are that fucking retarded and desperate to be """victims""" of their own making. They could have joined the civilized, Protestant world but instead they chose to remain tribal, nigger-tier retards

>>18057417
May you point out where he said the irish did it to spite the english or are you just addicted to being a victim so you make up statements by others?

>>18053691 (OP)
Based as fuck

>>18058330
>Ireland lacks any ability to deal with submarines, right?

Ireland doesn't even know if there's submarines in its waters or not because we don't have the equipment to detect them.

So how can this below be true?

>when a russian submarine violates irish waters they ask the british navy to track and escort it out of them

See how full of shit you are?

>>18059709
You're addicted to being a seething whiny fanny of a man.

they always post based Richard Harris but never the real Cromwell, I wonder why is that?

so does that make the irish jar jar binks?

>>18054051
I didn't claim the English people were victims. Their elites played geopolitical games to increase their own wealth and situate themselves in the best position possible. That's the same for the elites and decision makers of every geopolitical entity ever, including the Irish.

>>18061147
so we agree that Ireland have no way of defending its territorial integrity other than relying on the English?

>>18061481
>you are probably here because something I did while alive made you mad

>>18053691 (OP)
I'm descended from his aunt, Frances
Kinda cool

>>18054021
>le evil Anglos invented potato blight
Meds.

>>18062232
We don't need to rely on the English for anything. Who do we need you to defend our territory from? Only once have the government here asked the RAF to escorts a Russian plane out of our airspace a hundred miles of the west coast because the plane turned its transponder off and might pose a danger to other aircraft and British boomers act like the RAF and royal navy is out patrolling and defending Ireland. Ireland and Russia aren't even enemies like the UK and Russia. The only threat Russia is to Ireland is if they cut undersea Internet cables and that's the only thing that would bring them snooping around here.

>>18063935
There was plenty of food grown in Ireland it was just the poorest who relied on the potato. There was lots of food exported from Ireland while the poor starved. All the government in London had to do was ban food exports until the famine subsided but they wouldn't interfere with the free market economy.

>>18064436
>it was just the poorest who relied on the potato.
So you're telling me nothing of value was lost, then?
>nnnnooooo the heckin' poorest of poor micks died
Shouldn't have been retarded c*thtards then

>>18064436
TBF it probably would have been politically untenable in Britain to do so, while not suffering to the same extent as Ireland, the potato blight and the protectionist corn laws still left their mark on England in what would later be dubbed the hungry 40s. It's not as if the British government didn't try to do anything to alleviate the famine in Ireland by other means, though these were largely ineffective.