Thread 18059986

Dr. Pohl is going hard after the official holocaust narrative today. Does he have a point? Is it finally time to admit that '6 million' is a symbolic/'magical' number rather than something supported by the best available evidence?

https://www.twitter.com/JOttoPohl1/status/1976315881581052119

The approximation of 6 million is determined from the demographic data, like any other genocide, not from adding up precise death counts. And things are always going to have approximations. For example, we know from the Korherr report and Hoefle telegram approximately 1.3m Jews were liquidated in the Reinhardt camps in the GG by January 1943. But how many were killed after that? It's not going to be perfect, there is approximation made from demography and logistics (train schedules of Jews) with a certain propagation of errors. That is the nature of how things are when calculating the magnitude of a genocide undertaken during the chaos of a war and where much of the documentation was destroyed.

There are Holocaust historians who claim 5.1 million to 5.5 million. They aren't religiously attached to the 6 million figure.

Holocaust deniers have finally convinced me. Nazi Germany only killed 5,900,000 Jews.
Therefore, we should let them back into power.

Given that he does not specialize in Holocaust archive work, and the strong existing evidence base, any such sweeping claim must be supported by previously overlooked archives, compelling new demographic reconstructions, and proof of forgery. I’m not aware of mainstream historians accepting such a revision.

>>18060015
>(train schedules of Jews)
Actually, those who claim to be Jews in modern times have no connection to the ancient or biblical Jews.

>>18060025
>5,900,000 Jews.
Technically it would be "people who claim to be Jews," not actual "Jews" in the biblical sense, since they only claim to be something they actually aren't.

>>18060168
It's not an extraordinary claim. A Jewish death toll closer to 5.5 million is the scholarly consensus

>>18060015
It's actually a prophetic number of dead jews that the rabbis had been pushing into the mainstream since before Hitler was even born. It was seen as necessary prior to the establishment of israel, much like they're messing around with red heifers these days.

>>18060938
And you can post this prophecy no doubt.

>>18060519
That's anti-semitic and a hate-crime.

>>18060516
If they're not Jews then they're not responsible for the death of Christ.

>>18060168
the people who came up with the six million number also did not specialize in demography, archival work, or jurisprudence and evidence examination.

>>18060941
I don't speak Hebrew, but since you might, you can go to your Zohar and see what it says about the phrase "you shall return" missing the "vav" letter (which means "6" in gematria).

>>18060999
>>18060941
Actually, here's a couple of mensch who do speak Hebrew explaining it, so I'll save you getting up and getting your Zohar off your shelf:
https://www.chaimbentorah.com/2024/09/hebrew-wordd-study-you-shall-return/
https://www.jta.org/2017/05/16/ny/the-joy-of-six

It's unbelievable, but it happened.

>>18060943
Good news, the Jews weren't responsible either. Romans nailed him to the cross and stabbed him dead.

>>18060999
That's not a prophecy, that's newspaper cuttings. Why did you lie?
>>18061011
Neither of these talk about a prophecy of 6 million dead Jews. Why did you lie?

>>18061077
I guess weak chutzpah was your only remaining strategy, huh?
>Rabbi Blech notes that the missing vav (corresponding to the number six) perhaps alludes to the missing Six Million.
https://web.archive.org/web/20251010121259/https://www.jta.org/2017/05/16/ny/the-joy-of-six
>The Vav is the number 6 and there were 6 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust and were unable to return to Israel.
https://web.archive.org/web/20251010121359/https://www.chaimbentorah.com/2024/09/hebrew-wordd-study-you-shall-return/

>>18061083
>vav means 6
>this means that 6,000,000 is some time of prophecy
No.

>>18061093
>saaar i dont agree with the rebbi saar
Your opinion is irrelevant. The rabbis are clear on the matter in the linked articles, and my claim was simply that it is something they believe.

>>18061104
>the rabbis are clear
>that 6 might (or might not) be important
>therefore 6,000,000s were prophesied to die
No.

>>18061109
Your lies and pilpul are weak and boring. Here I was expecting some high verbal IQ, but you're just some jeet.
Keep bumping the thread to your heart's content though.

>>18061111
>there's this prophecy about 6,000,000 dead Jews!!!!
>*looks inside*
>no there isn't
>REEEEEEEEEE JEETS PILPUL JEEETS JEEEEEEEETS!!!!!
That's nice dear.

>>18060943
See the case of the Amalekite in 2 Samuel 1:16.

>>18060955
The people who originally came up with it were wicked deceivers who wanted to craft a narrative, not scientists. They just wanted a lie, that would benefit them, to be spread. It's gradually coming undone at the seams just as all lies do.

>>18060955
Yeah, they kind of just made the number up. Early six million figures were not based on archival work at all.

Wotan blesses those who blesses Germany. The number will grow if history is not heeded.

>>18060025
Dr. Pohl is not a holocaust denialist. His point is that '6 million' is inaccurate and ought to be jettisoned:

https://jottopohl.substack.com/p/the-archival-and-documentary-limits

>In total the official tabulations and estimates of direct executions of Jews by shooting and gassing as opposed to demographic losses calculated using flawed census data is only about 3.5 million. Roughly this breaks down to 1 million shot total (only about 600,000 by the Einsatzgruppen), 1 million in Auschwitz, and 1.5 million in Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, Chelmno, and Majdanek.

>This does not include deaths from typhus and malnutrition in ghettos and camps, killings by Romanian military and police formations, and a few other smaller categories. But, a bottom up tabulation of all these separate components comes very close to Hilberg’s initial 5.1 million figure (Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews, Chicago: Quadrangle Books, 1961). Of course in between Hilberg and Dawidowicz was the Six Day War in 1967 which as Peter Novick noted in 1999 explains most writing on the Holocaust in the US in the last 58 years.

>>18059986 (OP)
Yes, "6" is a deeply symbolic/esoteric number for the Jews. Indeed, it IS the number of the Jews. This can be found in countless symbols, such as the "Hexagram", the 6 branches on a menorah, their worship of Saturn the 6th planet, their worship of the 6-sided cube, etc....etc....etc.....

It's one of many ways """they""" let """each other""" know who is involved and keeping the """official statistics""" behind the scenes.

The number "4", and its variants, like "40 days and nights", is another one of their favorites that they use to indicate permanent change, for good or ill. Rabbits aren't even allowed to start studying the Talmuds until they turn "40", etc....etc....etc.....


As for the "6 gorillion" in question here, it's a completely made-up bullshit """statistic""" based on nothing. We don't have 1/100th the physical evidence required for such a claim and all burdens of proof fall on the claimants, which they have failed to do at every turn. The fact that this is the one an ONLY event in "European History" that no European is allowed to ever question, or investigate scientifically only confirms the cover up.

Ultimately, Jews claims about anything in their time in Europe is irrelevant because they are not, have not and will not ever be Europeans. They are a foreign, invasive, Semitic people with ZERO ties, claims or connections to Europe in any way. They have about as much "right to be there" as Kudzo has to Kansas.

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>>18059986 (OP)
Technically, it's against Jewish Law to even allow a "counting of the people", so absolutely nobody "knows" how many "Jews"(no definition ever given) were "acktchually" anywhere before, or after the war.

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