Thread 18060761

Why do believers in objective morality act like this?

did OP really happen or only in the imagination of the r*ddit comic artist

>he thinks all objective morality theory is based in religion
lmao'ing @ ur life

>>18060761 (OP)
Morality is the last contested ground of religion, so religious cuckies will fight tooth and nail for it. They lost understanding of the natural world to science and philosophy, they lost power to technology, they lost miraclemaking to medicine, they lost political power to democratic governments. The only thing religitards have left is their grand claim to have the copywrite on human morals.

>>18060771
Why should someone be moral without religion?

>>18060780
Having basic empathy?
Not being brown?
Not wanting to go to jail?
Having a natural sympathy for the other members of your species which is found in literally all animals?

>>18060780
Humans survive because of their mind. The body is weak compared to other lifeforms, frail and has a weak stomach. We don't have fur/fangs/wings, etc. We use the mind to compensate. To initiate force is to bypass the mind of someone else. That is thus to literally mistreat them. That leaves your individual freedom as paramount, with only persuasion as your weapon instead of force because other people have their individual freedom too.

>>18060784
>Not wanting to go to jail
3-7 year old level morality

>>18060769
Happens all the time on /his/...

>>18060795
Realistically speaking, would you prefer to live in a country without religion or without a jail system? Which one do you think would be more moral and have less crime?

>>18060774
Religious morality was already debunked by the Euthyphro dilemma. Is something good because God decided it's good or did god just recognize it's inherently good. If you accept the former, you reduce morality to the subjective opinion of god. If you accept the latter, you admit that morality is objective independent of god.

>>18060805
Not that anon but I think the cop-out is "god is the only objective subject" because he is omnipotent or some pilpul

>>18060784
>jail
>empathy
>persuasion
These are just material reasons to act morally, you do it because you want to avoid jail, because it feels good or because negotiating with your neighbors is preferable to conflict, not because of a devotion to a system of morality, which would be something superstitious and pointless to a pure materialist.

>>18060814
The mystic threat of hell is no better and also spiritually abusive.

>>18060761 (OP)
AI piss filter.

>>18060798
A jail system without religion is a gulag.

A religion without a jail system is like a close knit comfy village in the middle ages, basically Hobbiton. Rape and murder would be rare but if it happened the men of the village would deal with it in the way you'd expect for the time period then beg God for forgiveness for their wrath.

>>18060825
Would you prefer copypasted wojaks?

>>18060814
>These are just material reasons
Its like we live in a material world or something
And how is any different from
>going to underground rape jail known as Hell
>angering the cloud government known as God
>feeling good cause you offer a prayer in a gold-plated church to your hebrew demon of choice

>>18060855
Your materialism blinds you. God is not a cloud government but the uncreated source of all being. Hell is not a jail but the soul's final, tragic choice for false self over Jesus' Love. We worship in beauty to honor His majesty, not to appease a "demon", but to return to our Creator.

>>18060859
You're right God is not a government cause he doesnt govern shit lmao. He's just a tyrant, untouchable and above the law, dishing out punishments and commands expecting absolute obedience.

>>18060873
He is the King. Your cope and seethe won't change the sentence. Repent and bow before your lawful sovereign.

>>18060859
Except your average illiterate peasent wasn't motivated to do morally good acts because of spiritual reasons. The priest told him he will burn in magic lava unless he behaves. 99% of religious morality comes from people fearing physical punishments in the afterlife, the remaining 1% is the philosophers reasoning about the oneness with God, and how we are incomplete without him.

>>18060780
This argument stands until somebody reads the Bible.

>>18060769
>r*ddit comic artist
Not even. Looks like AI.

>>18060829
>you have to beg God for forgiveness after you kill the guy who raped your kids
do christfags really?

>>18060962
christian knights kneel in humility before god after slaying the saracen, as they are based

>>18060784
>other members of your species
*other members of your tribe
Most "humans" have no empathy for people of other races/tribes. The concept of "universal mankind" doesn't exist for them. The idea of a unified humanity is just humanist (communist) propaganda.

>>18060991
You didn't answer the question, chuddie. Would yahweh be upset at you and demand that you ask forgiveness if you killed the guy who raped your kids?

>>18061009
Christ died for every tribe and nation, proving God's universal love. To deny our shared humanity is to deny the cross's purpose and to defy God.

>>18061013
Yahweh actually mandated capital punishment for rapists in Deuteronomy 22.

>>18061016
>proto-bolshevik noises
camps

>>18061018
You're still not answering the question, chuddie.

>>18061030
I answered your retarded question.
Yahweh commanded Israel to stone rapists (Deut 22:25-27). He would be proud of me.
You are obvious troll, atheist, leftist and socialist scum. Also, pro-rapist apologist and child molester, no doubt.

>>18060761 (OP)
>>18060761 (OP)
Western society is based around Christianity. So even if you dont believe in God your morals stem from that. Just like how atheists in Jewish and Muslim societies are influenced by their religion as well

>>18061036
Modern moral philosophy is actually rooted in Greco-Roman virtue ethics and Enlightenment humanism, which positioned itself against ecclesiastical cringe.

>>18061036
American detected.

>>18061035
You really didn't. It's a yes or no question. But I'll assume you changed your mind since your previous post, and now don't think you need to ask for yahweh's forgiveness.
Since you apparently follow the tanakh, you presumably also genitally mutilate your children and celebrate purim, right?

>>18061016
I don't give a shit for people of other races. You sound like a modern globalist lectist.

>>18061045
That's because you are Satanic. Jesus told us to love our neighbor. You love none. You are no better than the murderer. God will kill you.

>>18061036
>>18061038
Judaism allowed polygamy. Many of the biblical patriarchs had more than one wives for example Jacob also called Israel. Moses also seemed to have two wives. There are passages in the bible talking about your maid's sons implying that the patriarch impregnates his own maids.
Nothing in the bible bans polygamy. It is church tradition they adopted from roman law. The same with incest. The roman catholic church banned cousin marriage but it had nothing to do with the bible. It was about weakening clans.

>>18061046
Most so called brown christians are fond of something resembling satanism. You are no different from a radical leftist atheist.

>>18061048
> It was about weakening clans.
Wasn't it about Church somehow ammasing wealth from that? I forgor the details.

>>18060785
As I expected, dead silence.

>>18061048
Bro the Bible bans marrying your in laws. You dont know what you are talking about

>>18061040
Sad that an european cant see it

>>18061078
saaar is so saaad saar

>>18061079
Indians for the most part arent Christian

>>18060795
There is fundamentally zero difference between fear of hell and fear of jail.

>>18060771

>Murder is wrong. Most of the time.
>Hurting others is wrong. Most of the time.
>Stealing is wrong. Most of the time.
>Lying is wrong. Most of the time.
>Note: These rules mostly apply only within the genetic tribe. Other tribes have even less rights.

Other than these four things is there anything else that you can claim are indubitable self evident universal "moral facts" found across all cultures and "imprinted on the souls of every human being's conscience"? Why did it take so long in human history to discover that stuff like racism, slavery, transphobia, and preventing women from aborting their children are the biggest evils on the planet? Why did literally everyone in the past ignore Globohomo's current list of self evident moral intuitive facts?

>>18061097
Lots of the ones who want to "integrate" in the West are. Christianity has always offered a pathway for browns to gain European identity, just see the jews and the gyppos.

>>18061120
what if you ended up big bubba jefferson's de facto slave in prison and he cummed inside you every day

>>18060849
What happened to good old ms paint drawings

>>18061120
Universal morality emerges from collective consciousness, a recent epigenetic awakening.
Past societies lacked the memetic diversity necessary to activate this latent moral circuitry.

>>18061120
>These rules mostly apply only within the genetic tribe.
And that should be that way. Universalism is evil.

>>18061121
Those two populations have been in Europe for a long time now. Hell jews have been in Europe for longer than slavs and Hungarians.

>>18061184
absolute gibberish

>>18061197
> it's evil to not be racist
ow the edge

>>18061120
>the souls of every human being's conscience"? Why did it take so long in human history to discover that stuff like racism, slavery... biggest evil
The current state of society shows that anti-racism is an evil value.

>>18061205
>it's evil to not be racist
Yes. It's against human nature.

>>18061208
> The current state of society
The one of unrivaled prosperity? LMAO.

>>18061205

Literally every problem in the world is due to liberals forcing people to live together who shouldn't.

>>18061210
Human nature is evil. We would rape and kill each other without God's iron fist.

>>18061210
>It's against human nature.
Like shitting indoors?

>>18061214
Oh, wow, it must be sooo difficult for you! I had a totally genius idea. If you are this unhappy living around people who think differently, why not just, you know, leave? I hear there are lots of places in Africa and Muslimia that are just desperate for people who share your specific set of racist values. Just sayin'.

>>18061217
>don't care about your bloodline goy
>let strangers with a different bloodline whose survival doesn't help you in any way genetically and who look very different, alien to your instincts live with you, feed them, let them kill your children, let them race-mix out of existance
>>18061215
You are advocating for globalist tyranny again.

>>18061227
Not an argument. As a religious follower of human nature, you are obligated to shit outdoors always.

>>18061223
>there are lots of places in Africa and Muslimia
Every anti-racist should be deported to black africa. If you think that blacks are the same as me and you then you should be forced to live only among blacks. Race doesn't matter according to you. That means it shouldn't matter if you only live among blacks.

>>18061227
Globalism given us unprecedented prosperity. Why are you seething about it?
> muh bloodline
Do not care, I'm not autistic. There is only once race, human race. The bloodline theory is for retarded people with anger management issues.

>>18061235
> Every anti-racist should be deported to black africa.
That would be a colonization. A big no-no and very racist thing.

>>18061237
>Globalism given us unprecedented prosperity.
It does the opposite.
>Do not care, I'm not autistic
You are less than the lowest animal.
>There is only once race, human race
You are a leftist creationist. Go to Haiti and never come back!

>>18061241
They should be given free as slaves to black africans.

>>18060761 (OP)
becase if you dont agree that 2 + 2 makes 4 only because god sayd so you might as well start eating babies

>>18061118
stage 1 and 2 are the chads that get high in the social pyramid, the others are basically NPCs

>>18061475
Yeah I know right, women are so much better

>>18061491
Women are smarter than men in average, so yes

>>18060769
>reddit mentioned in the first post
How did that website manage to buckbreak this place so hard?

>>18061510
newbies trying to fit in

>>18061036
Imagine having morals in the current year.
>When the Tao is lost, there is goodness.
>When goodness is lost, there is morality.
>When morality is lost, there is ritual.
>Ritual is the husk of true faith,
>the beginning of chaos.

>>18061510
>>18061515
what should I call someone so self-absorbed they need to make their own overused AI webcomic instead of just stating their argument

>>18060784
>Having basic empathy?
I have empathy. I'm not oblivious to the fact that you're in great physical pain, quite the opposite in fact. I just don't care.

>>18060780
Just doing good cause your scared of consequences doesn't make it good.
I would rape you but i don't wana go to jail. I would rape you but don't want to go to jail so i don't do it, i am such a good person.

>>18061871
And i am different again i enjoy seeing anon in great pain i care very much

>>18060784
None of these are inevitable conditions. Whereas God's judgement, presumably, is. Maybe I want to hurt people and I'm smart and lucky enough to escape human judgement.

Also, you don't know animals. Most of them are dumb brutes, many of them will eat their own children.

>>18060780
Why should someone be moral with religion?

>>18061871
>>18062281
>>18062287
What if its good for anon to suffer and increasing this suffering is a moral act, the good feeling it might give you is just a natural indicator you are doing the right thing and should continue

>>18060829
>A religion without a jail system is like a close knit comfy village in the middle ages, basically Hobbiton.
Utterly delusional and ironically devoid of any perception of history on the history board no less.

>>18062299
What if god said stealing is perfectly fine?

>>18062299
>Being of pure love
>Hates
Make it make sense

>>18062320
not necesarily the same thing, like trainers make people suffer they dont steal, supposedly

>>18062345
You don't get it. Good and evil are made up by whoever is in power.
There has to be an absolute good wich is in this case god.
But you can't even define good.
This omly makes sense if god is goodnes itself.
Wich again can't be defined.
You claim god is pure love, yet he hates.
If tomorrow he would think smashing babys on the ground is good you would do it.

>>18062370
Not because you are good or evil.
You simply don't want to go to hell.

>>18062390
Well God is good, so if you obey him it makes you good by default. If not you are in the dark. It's simple, we do what God says.

>>18062475
Why is god good?

>>18062495
>He just is ok

>>18061212
If you cannot see the decay and coming downfall you are blind.

>>18061205
If you treat someone well and they do not treat you well you are giving them an advantage.
If you make it your and your people's principle to treat all other groups as well as the members of your own group you are giving an advantage to other group.

Ergo, a group that does not treat you well will emerge, destroy you, and reinstate the natural order of the world. Treating all groups equally well is a suicidal tactic that will result in your demise.

>>18062649
> If you treat someone well and they do not treat you well you are giving them an advantage...
Well, that's why I don't treat racists well. They hate liberals like me, so they should be purged. It's perfectly logical.

>>18061774
There's a bunch of christcuck subreddits with millions of you fags there. It was understandable 15 years ago when Tumblr was universally retarded as gay and liberal; because it was. I have no idea why christcucks seethe so hard about that website in particular. It almost rivals polwhiners when they hear the word nigger and start moralfagging as if anyone cares.

>>18060761 (OP)
>torture is bad
it depends

>>18060796
What makes morality objective?

The worst kind of westerners are atheists who still subscribe to the bastardized american version of christianity.
It's how you end up with people insisting you turn the other cheek and forgive any crime whatsoever.

>>18064169
The American version of christianity is the closest to what the genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi mohel jew intended when he created it. It's jewish supremacism first and foremost.

>>18063318
You are so close and yet so far from realizing...

>>18061118
This means very little. Also women follow societal rules

>>18060761 (OP)
>person to the right of the righteous atheist is a presumably muslim woman wearing a hijab in the first introductary panel
>in the next one she turns into a christian priest

>>18061036
all of the bibles commands are found in the code of hammurabi
you believe in mesopotamian morality christcuck faggot

>>18060780
atheist arguments
>Blah blah blah *explains with examples found in nature and makes clever comparisons*
christlard arguments
>heheheheh i drew you as the man with beard and glasses hurr durr hahahah *brap*

>>18060761 (OP)
Get that AI shit out of my board.