Thread 18062530

>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
>lose to retards with outdated equipment and shit made in garden sheds
How do you even?

>>18062530 (OP)
The Nazi Army was a mirage held up by propaganda and post-war cope.
Supply issues plagued the Nazi army from the get-go, with the war being a race for time since the beginning.
42 was the peak of Nazi success, everything afterwards was just a slow crawl to an inevitable defeat since they couldn't keep up with the war machines of three major powers.

>>18062530 (OP)
>lose to retards
The four world spanning empires with unlimited manpower and resources? And all of their vassals they've accrued over the centuries? And they almost won?

There has never been a better David & Goliath story. It's better than David and Goliath because of the tragedy.

>>18062586
>Almost won
At no point did they "almost" win.

>>18062588
They could have very well won had they taken Moscow, St. Petersburg etc.

>>18062631
>If
But they didn't.
And even if they defeated Moscow, there was no chance of invading Britain or the U.S

>>18062530 (OP)
Supply, production, manpower. It doesn't matter how elite your forces are. If you over-stretch supply lines, can no longer properly equip and feed your troops, and are fighting enemies that outnumber and outproduce you, you're going to lose. Early war German forces were the best of the best, but when it comes down to these factors, that doesn't matter.

>>18062644
>if
Yes, if. We are talking about the concept of "almost" which NECESSARILY means that we are talking about something that did not happen but that was in the realm of possibility you absolute fucking retard.
>Britain or the U.S
And? Do you have any idea how the world geopolitical situation would have been changed IF Germany managed to strike the SU so hard that it ceased to be a functional adversary some time in 1942? For example, allied landings would have become a completely impossible proposition.

>>18062685
Good luck thinking that the Soviet Union would just cease to exist if Moscow was taken.
Russia ain't France, and the Nazi advance would have stalled eventually.

>>18062588
>>18062631
The Germans could never win as long as Hitler held power. He believed in the final victory and would not compromised for any conventional peace. He would have to chase red army to Vladivostok and the allies to Cape town

>>18062718
Capturing Stalin would have fractured the Soviets and put them in disarray. They probably wouldn't have surrendered with how stupidly blood thristy the Germans were, making surrender a death sentence, but they definitely would have had a significantly harder time in the war depending on how and who replaces him

>>18062718
Or maybe there would have been a political collapse due to how severe the blow of loosing your capital to this seemingly unstoppable enemy was? Or maybe they would have stalled and managed to negotiate a favorable peace given the chips they held.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe that starting a war with the SU without American backing was a completely retarded move but honestly you're underestimating just how devastating the early rapid advance of the Wehrmacht was, and with basically 30's tech? Crazy, just see how quickly the Russians got bogged down in Ukraine for comparison.

>>18062727
>They probably wouldn't have surrendered with how stupidly blood thristy the Germans were
That's only in hindsight. Early war whole soviet armies surrendered pretty easily after getting encircled.

>>18062727
Stalin had already ordered the central government to leave Moscow by the time the Germans showed up.

>>18062735
Due to Stalin hiding away in his dacha and crying like a bitch instead of acknowledging the German invasion. His men had to drag him back and he freaked out thinking they were there to kill him. Which goes back to my point that the Soviets would have been in total disarray had the Germans killed Stalin. Their leadership was far too top heavy.

Germany was not half as technologically advanced as you think it was...

>>18062732
Russia is using tactics from the 60's when it sought to blitz across a poorly defended and non entrenched west due to nepo ex commies, and Ukraine is using tactics from the GWOT era due to western advisors.

>>18062726
>He believed in the final victory
The FV isn't a piece of paper signed by losing war parties. It's a prophecy about destiny. It's as much the future as it is the past.

>>18062752
Least insane Europhobe take.

>>18062755
Tbf, Russia did try to new strategy when they initially invaded Ukraine. It did not go well for them at all. So they went back to doing what they knew best with better results.

>>18062759
>Muh big rocket that did jack shit to prevent German defeat.
Put it in the same category as the big fuck off railgun that did nothing and the big fuck off tank that did nothing.

>>18062766
And rocket propelled projectiles, thermal vision, guided anti-ship missiles, cruise missiles, first rockets to breach space in 1943 on which every other design around the world would be based for future decades... We could go on and on. Not to mention when the world figures out that Nazi physicists have been suppressed, they're going to lose it. Even NASA copied Adolf Busemann's dual layered wing for noise reduction in 2013. That was developed back in the 1930s by a convinced Nazi.

>>18062772
Cool, how much of those innovations were actually effective or wide-spread enough to make a difference?
Germany didn't put it's resources into the projects that mattered. Thermal vision can't win a war when your average soldier is struggling to get ammunition.

>>18062780
>Cool, how much of those innovations were actually effective or wide-spread enough to make a difference?
All of them- considering all of them were adopted by the rest of the world afterward. You may be retarded, medically speaking.

>>18062784
America had a semi-automatic rifle that was mass-produced for two fronts across two seas.
Add to that superb logistics and you have the primary reason that Nazi armies came up short.

The average G.I was better equipped and better supported than the Heer infantry man.

>>18062631
Leningrad tied up Army Group North and the Finns, but otherwise wasn't as strategic. Cutting off the Murmansk Railway was more crucial and the Finns failed to achieve that. Moscow was a major logistic hub which would hurt the Red Army if lost, but the central government had already relocated to Kuybyshev by the time of Operation Typhoon and there's no indication Stalin would actually stay in Moscow if it was at risk of encirclement. Taking Moscow would've been a Stalingrad-esque urban meat grinder in 1941 and with Siberian reserves arriving, it's difficult to see Germany managing to take and hold Moscow. Taking Moscow and Leningrad also wouldn't have stopped Allied lend-lease arriving from Iran and Vladivostok.

>>18062796
>America had a semi-automatic rifle
And the USSR. But Garands hardly represent scientific achievements such as, oh I don't know, going to actual space and developing thermal sensors which revolutionize not just weaponry but have industrial and scientific instrumentation advantages. So the bolt on a rifle design was a little bit different? The Nazis created actual scientific development that the modern world still has not fully adopted in certain areas.

>>18062796
God this is just such a stupid argument. Everyone already had fully automated weapons anyways. Let's talk MG42. Let's talk STG44. Now those are groundbreaking.

>>18062820
Fancy toys with not enough quantity to make a difference, This is why the Nazis lost, because they were bedazzled with useless, impractical wonder weapons while they should've been focusing on their dwindling resources.

>>18062752
They were advanced but they lacked the resources and manufacturing capabilities to make their breakthroughs widespread. Stuff like the King Tiger, Panther, StG-44, FG-42, Me-262, V-2, Type XXI, Panzerfaust/schreck were cutting edge but they aren't worth much when the majority of your troops were still rocking Kar 98ks and pulling their supplies by horses.

The germans durying ww2 were basicaly like space marines surrounded by all sides.

>>18062878
More like the Tau with the Imperium to the west and Orks to the east.

>>18062866
>Fancy toys
You're projecting because you realize your retort to scientific development was "well these guys had semi-autos a few years before the others" was just a fancy toy because everyone already had full auto. You brought up a moot point. No, fancy little bolt sliders that move at in between speeds are not as relevant as going to space or developing chemical compositions that set the basis for all rockets, weaponized or not, or developing a host of new flight profiles for aircraft, or more.

The resource argument is a bad one, because we have a country the size of Texas outperforming world spanning colonial empires. Not just one, but multiples of them. The British alone bragged that the sun never set on it because it was daytime somewhere in its domain. Arguing for decreased quality when it was the German's chief advantage is a subtarded cold take. But go ahead and keep repeating it if you want others to silently acknowledge your mental disabilities.

>>18062873
>pulling their supplies by horses
I think we forget that this is pretty much everyone but the US, and partially Britain gets a good reputation.

>>18062530 (OP)
Who are you talking about? They lost to overwhelming numbers.
>>18062588
Churchill almost accepted peace in 1940, wtf do you mean they wouldnt have won? Who tf they fighting besides Britain in 1940???
Source is Chamberlain's diary, which I you didnt read because Slavic ultranationalists are illiterates.
>>18062578
>mirage
a mirage doesnt take millions of sq km in a matter of months.
>supply
this was not a function of their army, it was a function of their industry, their capacity to produce could not keep up with the performance of their army.
>>18062726
Hitler offered peace multiple times. Hitler offered peace on DAY FUCKING TWO

>>18062866
>useless
Midnight Hammer was carried out by wingforms developed by the Nazis LOL.
a daring 2025 aerial operation from Tennessee to Iran was done with Nazi tech, that is how fucking good they were at pioneering technology.

>>18062904
You're right but it's going to cause a lot of butthurt.

>>18062631
They also could've conquered space had they taken Mars, Jupiter, Neptun etc.

>>18062921
If modern media is anything to go by, it's basically a foregone conclusion.

>>18062530 (OP)
dumb mutt
>>18062759
>muh hearts of iron
you are a fucking retard, who could've thought
>>18062772
try reading a book in your life you braindead retard

>>18062904
>Bro let me make obscene demands that leave you crippled forever or allows me to conquer all of the USSR while you remain at risk of attack because i've already torn multiple agreements up
>Hitler offered peace multiple times. Hitler offered peace on DAY FUCKING TWO
lol and then promptly rescinded, and then a few where terms were never sent to delegates but totallyyy happened according to propaganda. That's like if the Chinese agreed to make peace with the USA during the Korean war if they left and allowed them to invade the rest of Korea without protest while forcing imbalanced trade on the US, surely you can see how these terms could never be accepted?

>>18062930
No? Hitler never rescinded nor did he make unreasonable demands, furthermore he never tore up any other agreements.
Why couldnt they accept Hitler's terms from day 2? His only demand was Danzig rejoin Germany, that was his sole ask for peace. Britain hadnt even entered the war and they declined on behalf of Poland and declared war on Hitler a few hours later.

>>18062631
>They could've won if they just won
Woah shocking new revelations there, man. What's next, I could be a millionaire if I had a million dollars?

>>18062983
Okay show me the reasonable demands he made to Churchill that totally did not end with a puppet regime in the low countries and France with immense reparations and colonies.

>>18062983
Also
>what's the Munich conference and the blatant chimpout Hitler did after
You're not arguing in good faith, you expect every great power to have zero geopolitical interest besides Germany, typical tarded zoomer or jeet. Most of us white nationalists abhor the budget commies and their dooming of the white race

>>18062530 (OP)
>>18062578
Show nose

>>18062530 (OP)
The Nazis came very close to winning at Stalingrad. When the Sixth army seized the city there was a good chance that the 2 million man soviet army in Moscow was going to desert on the forced march to Stalingrad

>>18062530 (OP)
>greatest fighting force
stopped reading

>>18062631
the Poles could won in 39 if they taken Berlin, Hamburg etc

>>18062530 (OP)
>greatest fighting force
>using fucking horses
>tanks so primitive that slavs managed to bulid better
>fucked up logistic because the diffrent factions were supposed to "struggle" aganist each other
germans are a joke who only won in first two years because of their large numbers

>>18063009
Hitler’s day 2 offer to end the war after Danzig was in German hands.
Hitler’s Sweden offer which was a full withdrawal of German troops back into Germany, no strings attached, not even disputing the ownership of Alsace-Lorraine, and the RE-establishment of a Polish state and allowance for the government exile to return.
something Stalin did not even allow.
>>18063014
>munich conference
What about it?
The Germans never annexed more than Sudete, as promised.
>chimpout is when you do what Hacha asks you to
???
>good faith
I am arguing in good faith, you just disagree with me.
Is it really unbelievable that good men can differ on complex questions of geopolitics?

>>18064049
So their KDR was worse than that of the Red Army right?

>>18064061
yes, unless you count murdered defenseless civilians, which germanic vermin excellents at

>>18064059
do you just make your own fanfictions about ww2?

>>18064049
also every time germans won was thanks to the enormous number advantage.
In Russia, once the retarded failed painter maiboy decided to just march into huge teritory where they could no longer gang upon single people lika a bunch of violent thugs that the nazis are, they got instantly stomped into the ground so badly that they didn't recover till today

>>18064059
>Hitler’s day 2 offer to end the war after Danzig was in German hands.
and how would this have actually played out considering the molotov-ribbentrop pact?
any cope about muh peace offerings is just that, cope. nazi words were not worth the paper they were written on. they tore up agreement after agreement - after munich, there was literally no reason to believe the nazis could be held to anything they signed or agreed to.

>>18062530 (OP)
>greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
That's the Japanese. The Germans were cowards who frequently surrendered in large numbers throughout the war

>>18062631
>Germans take Moscow
>Stalin moves his government eastwards and continues the war
What now?

>>18062752
This. People forget that the Wehrmacht invaded the USSR largely on horseback

>>18062530 (OP)
Soviets had that Dawg in em and the Nazis were led by a retard.

>>18064049
>only won in first two years because of their large numbers
The French Army outnumbered the Germans. Germany was successful early on because Allied generals were retarded boomers who thought the war would be like WW1

>>18064059
>Hitler’s day 2 offer to end the war after Danzig was in German hands
I think you're confusing this with the initial British peace demand, which request Germany leave the borders of Poland but accepted the annexation of the Free city of Danzig. That was sent two days after the start of the war
>Hitler’s Sweden offer
You mean this one?
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birger_Dahlerus
>He then flew to Berlin, where on 26 September, he met with Göring and Hitler.[16] Göring and Hitler were completely intransigent and willing to make peace only on their own terms: keeping all their conquests and retaining a free hand in Eastern Europe.[17]
>Although that should have been the end of negotiations, Dahlerus then tried to represent or rather to misrepresent to the British the Nazi position as showing signs of flexibility. He flew to London and was very cordially and hopefully received there. He had a talk with Cadogan on 28 September[18] and on 29 September met with Chamberlain and Halifax themselves.[19]
>Hitler's peace proposals, as presented by Dahlerus in a mellow form at the meeting, amounted to a rump Poland in complete vassalage to Germany, annexation to Germany of the old Reich territories in Poland, restoration of the lost German colonies or compensation for them, a promise of no further aggression subject to "suitable guarantees" and the settlement of the Jewish question by using Poland "as a sink in which to empty the Jews".[20]
Doesn't quite sound like what you suggest it was.

>>18064125
>which request Germany leave the borders of Poland but accepted the annexation of the Free city of Danzig
this is fucking insane. appeasement all the way up to its bitter conclusion. the nazis could have gotten away with it all.

>>18064135
Unironically yes, just prior to the war starting Britain offered to hold another Munich to decide the fate of Poland, but Hitler refused. And Chamberlain dithered on declaring war even after German tanks rolled into Poland, his cabinet held a meeting without him and essentially forced him to declare war.
Had the Germans been more diplomatic, or even just had anyone other than Rippentrop (Who hated Britain and the British hated him back) as foreign minister and chief diplomat to the UK, they probably could have got away with everything

>>18064120
>The French Army outnumbered the Germans
they didn't, especially not alone, they only had slight advantage in tank numbers

>>18064125
>>18064142
I kinda feel bad that you are forced to do this reserach just to expose some dishonest neonazi's lies

>>18064135
>the nazis could have gotten away with it all.
that would be a failure for nazis, their economy was starting breaking down and they needed to loot other countries asap, getting just Danzig would mean nothing

>>18064173
Eh I enjoy reading history for the sake of it so I'd still be doing it with or without these people. I just wish this board had more real discussion of history beyond muh joos and how could Hitler have won the war. Arguing with stormfags is the debating equivalent of wack-a-mole

>>18062631
Why would the Soviets surrender after Moscow was lost? They've lost Moscow hundreds of times in history and it never caused them to buckle. IRL isn't HOI4.
>>18062685
You can't beat the Russian hoard. They do not care if everyone they know die, they believe they'll only benefit.
>>18062727
How would taking Moscow capture Stalin? Do you think he'd even be there?

>>18062895
??? The soviets had hundreds of thousands of trucks and trains?

>>18062889
Why so mad? They already lost lol

>>18062530 (OP)
They held several years of all-out war against the rest of the world. They were sadly never going to win against the sheer number of satrapies of international jewry, but once this storm passes they will be remembered for millenia as the greatest martyr army in history.

>>18064356
they are remembered as the biggest cucks once they were forced to care for slavic-germanic children of their wives

>>18064068
Where's the fanfic?
>>18064106
>how would this have played out
What do you mean? It would play out like any other peace agreement played out
>MRP
are you suggesting Hitler would declare war on Britain?
Ok, why? Establish a motive.
The motive for the war on the USSR was convenience of circumstance.
The USSR was weak (real or perceived), The British had an empire of resources out of reach of Germany, Germany's only option is to be ground down by Britain or go eastward, knock out the USSR, and marshal the resources of the Heartland to actually conquer the British Empire.
>cope
you're just being unrealistic at this point.
>tore up agreements
such as?
>Munich
what about Munich? Even Chamberlain in his diary said there was no violation of Munich it just looked really really bad for Britain geopolitically.
The Germans did not violate a single point of Munich.

>>18064552
the germans only got violated in 1945 hard by Slavs and Black

>>18064125
>initial British peace demand
Nope.
>https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitler-AnOverlookedCandidateForTheNobelPrize/page/n1/mode/2up?q=peace
Hitler offered Peace on day two.
The British never sent a peace offer allowing for the transfer of Danzig to Germany.
>this one
No, Dahlerus is Swedish yes, The "Sweden offer" took place in Sweden in 1940 and was mediated by Ekeberg to Victor Mallet.
It doesnt sound like what I suggest because you apparently dont actually know what we are talking about.
I think you just googled "Sweden Offer" and Dahlerus came up as a search result because he is Swedish and acted as a diplomat for Germany, but that was 1939, not 1940.
Maybe you should do some original research into the primary sources.
>>18064135
But that isnt what happened.
>>18064173
not enough evidently as he confused the peace offer relayed by Sturdza with the British demands and then confused a Dahlerus with Ekeberg.

>>18064585
nobody cares about your fanfictions dude

>>18064142
No they didnt, Britain said there would be zero negotiations over Poland and gave Poland a guarantee they couldnt keep, even if some in Britain wanted Peace, the warhawks had too much influence and were dragging the rest of Parliament along with them.
>>18064186
>their economy was starting to break down
explain, their economy was the second largest in the world by 1939 in terms of solvency.
They had by far the strongest economy in Europe proper.
only the Soviet Union was on their level and only the United surpassed them, America somehow surpassed everyone having 3x the output of the USSR and more than Germany and the USSR combined, based Mutts working overtime.
>>18064219
>muh joos
anyone who thinks jews were somehow absent from European history is either lying or delusional.

>>18064596
or not everyone is a terminaly online neonazi larper

>>18064311
The Soviets dont surrender if you take Moscow in Hoi4, however the Soviets would be in a very position if Moscow was lost because its the epicenter of their entire rail network, also Russia lost WWI without losing Moscow.
No reason the natural instability of Russia wouldnt re-emerge given such a fatal position strategically.
Stalin was a fighter and he held the USSR together, barely, but under more pressure, its a diceroll if they breakdown or not.
there is zero certainty in a continuity of government for the USSR in the event their armed forces break down and their government is pushed out of the capitol.

>>18064588
Where's the fanfic?
>>18064566
>German admixture in Russia
>3%
>Russian admixture in Germany
>0%
heh
Guess thats how it goes, Slavs rape old women and already pregnant girls, German BVLLs taste the fruits of Siberia with smol redheaded Udmurts, tiny almond eyed asiatics, and big booba slavic girlim with wide hips and big blue eyes.
HNNNNNNNNGGG
I imagine Slavic girls today fantasize about being whisked away into a Panzer and ravaged by a crew of supermen who have a 15:1 KDR and theyre going to fill her womb with Aryan Supersoldiers.
bleaching her and twisting her supply Russian body into that of a Slavic breeding sow.

I see wide hipped big booba slav girls and I think "damn, Hitler was fucking right, these women need to be saved from the Slavic ogres they are forced to live with."

>>18064612
>girlim
>im

>>18064598
can you point out the NeoNazis?

>>18064612
>obsessed about slavs and cuckold terminology
grim

>>18064625
nope, I don't live in a prison or a homeless shelter, i don't use meth so I don't require their services either

>>18064585
>Adolf Hitler - An Overlooked Candidate for the Nobel Prize
Fucking hell
Can you point to me the passage where it says what you claim? Because despite reading all 5 pages of this sheer autism I cannot see a single mention of it
>The British never sent a peace offer allowing for the transfer of Danzig to Germany.
Yea they did, on the 3rd of September. Not a peace offer per se, because the German refusal of it resulted in the British declaration of war. Read it if you so wish, it demands the Germans leave the borders of Poland but makes no mention of Danzig.
>No
Forgive for thinking you were talking about an offer than took place in 1939, when you're talking about 1939 and "day 2" of the war
Faggot.
>The "Sweden offer" took place in Sweden in 1940 and was mediated by Ekeberg to Victor Mallet
The peace offer you're talking about never actually happened. The original claim for it is from "Himmler's secret war" by Martin Allen. His source for this claim was from the British national archives, specifically, I believe, this document
>https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2783759
This document was found to be a forgery
>https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16525
In all likelihood these were false documents created by Martin Allen himself
>https://www.hnn.us/article/martin-allen-suspect-in-creation-of-forgeries-clai
You're welcome to provide another source for it if you can, but I think you'll find all your neonazi websites eventually lead back to Mr Allen.

>>18064319
That the US and the UK gave them. Hell the US built their entire heavy industry complex in the 20s and 30s

>>18062530 (OP)
>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
Pic unrelated?

>>18062530 (OP)
Germany had a lot of traitors torwards the end of the war, rerouting supplies, disobeying orders etc.

>>18062815
Scientific achievement such as failing to make their bolt on their rifles a little different, and making rockets that killed more slaves while making them than brintbongers they were fired at

>>18064965
>logistics and production is jewish o algo
SS Stormbeaner over here singlehandedly carrying the legacy of Nazi Germany. You should've been in charge of armaments and supply lines.

>>18062586
this

>>18065011
German tech achieviments were in the latest electrical and heavy engineering, Making better factories is pointless if you dont have the inputs in the first place. Germans could easily make better factories, metal work and chemistry was/ is literally their thing.

You just hate Germans and nazis, you shouldnt because they are the good guys.

>>18065036
You just hate Jews, despite their contributions to physics and chemistry.

>>18065087
>you hate jews

We study jews, thus we have transcended hate for every Jew.

>>18065087
Does the virologist hate the virus?

>>18065150
the virus has been mostly cleansed as the vermin got reemigrated back to the germany and their population improved by a big addition fo slavic blood

>>18065173
Polish contributions to civilisation and human well being = 0

Germans = 589

different

>>18062796
The mg42 alone gave a German squad with bolt actions more firepower than an American platoon with garands and BARs. Not to mention the Germans were fielding assault rifles en masse 20 years before any other military.

>>18064646
Nazis dont believe in social Darwinism nor did they go extinct.
>>18064652
???
>>18064728
top of page 2, it cites the diary of Michael Sturdza, the name of his published diary is "the Suicide of Europe", that is the primary source.
>yea they did
>not a peace per se
not a peace offer lmao.
>German refusal
a refusal to an ultimatum after the British had turned down the German peace offer.
>it demands Germany leave Poland but doesnt mention Danzig
I know. This is different from Hitler's offer of peace on day two which would see Germany keep Danzig.
>never actually happened
It did, it fell through because the British never even heard them out, but the Germans laid out their offer.
>forgery
nope, its recorded by the British ambassador actually, it has nothing at all to do with Himmler or Allen's work.
>neonazi websites
there it is, anything you dont like is some neonazi angle.

You didnt even get the 1939 offers right, you thought the Sweden offer was fake (its in Victor Mallet's memoirs), you dont actually do any research and you poopoo actual research when it challenges the orthodoxy.

>>18065036
>Making better factories is pointless
Do stormshitters really

>>18062586
>unlimited manpower and resources
No such thing exists, retard.
The Germans also had their own vassals, including their own Italian sidekick.

>>18064612
>>Russian admixture in Germany
>>0%
Source? Being a raped bitch frogposter

>>18065890
They searched for Russian admixture in Poland and concluded Poles were too similar to Russians to identify the numerous raped Poles.

>>18064596
>They had by far the strongest economy in Europe proper
Source? Being a raped bitch of course.

>>18065911
coping is the national sports of germutts
>noooo we totally didn't lose that war it's just... just... uhm.. DA JOOS

>>18065927
>>18065936
>denying reality and posting fake heat maps
Absolutely buckbroken.

That's perm btw, not Bashkortostan.
The Redheaded Scythians live there. I enjoy redheads I wouldnt mind a bunch of Redheaded Scythian women walking around Germany, in fact I think we need more of them.

Shame this is nothing but Polish headcanon tho, would be nice to find a Redheaded Deustchlander.

>>18062631
If the Nazis had taken Moscow, Stalin would have simply moved east and bomb his own capital. Soviets didn't care about Soviet civilians.

>call an army 'the best"
>it's supplied by larping shitheads wasting energy on squabbling over funding, influence and resources
>led by a fuckwit who made himself the top five levels of the chain of command
>fighting for a government that had 40 different kinds of police
yeah no.

>>18062530 (OP)
>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
Best at losing.

>>18062530 (OP)
>>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
so you're talking about either the us or the red army then?
the nazis were using fucking horse drawn wagons to get supplies into poland

>>18064110
>bzzzzzzzt
wrong, subhuman. when you lose your capital city you lose the game. everyone knows that's how it works. says so right in the game manual on page 14

>>18065943
>your heatmap is fake
>my cartoon isn't though
>still posts a wall of cope about "fake map"
embarrassing

>>18062904
>Churchill almost accepted peace in 1940
the uk did absolute fuck all to win ww2. the war was won by the soviets in the east. you may be shocked to learn the soviet union was NOT, in fact, the united kingdom

>>18062750
>Due to Stalin hiding away in his dacha and crying like a bitch
never happened, only source of this is khrushchev who obviously had a reason to discredit stalin

>>18066005
>Poles take wojak memes seriously
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHA
>illiterate in geography
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Look at that heatmap, then look at where Bashkirs actually live. I want to go to Slavland and have sex with busty Slavic redheads, this is a lifelong fantasy of mine. I am tall, Germanic, powerfully built, lean and muscular like an ancient Ulfhedinn, trust me I will improve your genepool.
>>18066007
The USSR entered the war in 1941.
If Churchill accepts peace in 1940 which Chamberlain said he considered (I personally was surprised that jewish hack actually considered it), the war ends.

>>18066017
>The USSR entered the war in 1941.
funny way of saying "the nazis invaded the soviet union" but this is just retarded rules lawyering
>umm ACKCHYUALLY the war was over
>well until we invade the soviets in 41 and get our shit stomped by "subhuman vermin" but that doesn't count because IT JUST DOESNT OK

>>18065778
He's right, anon, the Germans were up against people who had supply chains set up so they'd be able to wage war literally forever. Supply chains that get sabotaged as they were threatened with loss so advantage couldn't be taken.

Germany tried to act like a colonial power on fellow Europeans, an astounding mistake because colonial power requires a tech gap of centuries to work at all. Cannons versus swords.

Germany tried it on and was still dealing with determined partisans capable of using the same tech right up til the end.

>>18062815
>And the USSR
1) unreliable
2) too complex to manufacture, made in small numbers vs. the Garand, and too complicated for conscripts which is why they were still using obsolete Mosins cause they were cheap to make and simple for Vanya to use
3) not durable
4) Germans unironically had more success with them than the Soviets

>>18062820
And yet the Germans themselves couldn't make a functional, reliable semi-auto rifle. G41 was trash and G43 was barely useable even after having to take ideas from the SVT-40, the rifle designed by the untermensch.

>>18066091
>>18066088
Respectfully, guise, gear queers will rate the advantages of tanks n guns n bombs until the cows come home when history shows that the best soldiers, with the best gear, will get buried in shallow graves if their leadership are all larping faggots, or their government is a mess of gabbling satraps.

>>18066017
>>Poles take wojak memes seriously
>said a guy who posts söyjak memes as an argument unironically
I'm not even Polish, you seem to be the biggest retard on this website. No self awareness at all, and actual 80 IQ. I would assume you are trolling, but you've been in this thread for hours arguing with genuine autism, so it seems you are just a fucking retard.
>more cope about uralic asiatics being actually all redhead nordics
Let me guess, some unsourced /pol/ jpeg told you so? Lmfao retard
>I am tall, Germanic, powerfully built
As if I needed more proof that you are actually some insecure LARPing latrinx. Post pic with timestamp, mr tall, blond, blue eyed germanic, I can't fucking wait (to die from laughter)

>>18062530 (OP)
>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen

really weren't, more like the world was completely unprepared for total war.

>>18062588
Up until Operation Uranus they had a path to victory. Before December 1941 they had a GOOD chance at total victory.

>>18062752
True, the US and UK matched or outclassed them in every category.

>>18064612
>>Russian admixture in Germany
>>0%
East Germans are half Slavic

>>18066126
You do realize that it was Slavic land like 1000 years ago

>>18066131
Slavs hardly existed until 1000 years ago.

>>18066134
Slavs first appeared in Europe in the 500s. The Avars when helping the Persians besiege Constantinople would drive hordes or slavs into a kill zone before the walls of the city

>>18066134
dumb mutt

>>18066065
>wage war literally forever
You keep using words like "unlimited" and "forever", but the samefagging jeet mind cannot understand them.

>>18066143
I don't understand why you bother coming to a history board if you're not interested in discussing history.

>>18066152
your statement was utterly retarded and counter-factual, historically speaking

>>18066131
I do and I have no issue with it, but I'm not a German supremacist that hates Slavs like he is

>>18066157
The Rus Chronicle has everyone before the year 1000 given Gothic and Greek names. Russian names don't start appearing largely until the 11th century AD.

>>18066157
By the way, if you don't know something you can just ask instead of pretending you know something because anyone reading the primaries is going to know you're guffing and gawing.

>>18066163
...so what you dumb niggerfaggot? Slavs didn't exist until the fuckin Rus Chronicle willed it? How dumb can you be? Yeah, Rus was a state created by Scandinavians so it had Scandi rulers, certainly not 'Gothic'. THE FUCK does that have to do with existence of Slavs as a whole? Have you tried not being braindead?

>>18066101
notice how the guy disappeared right after being dared to post the photo of his spic self with timestamp kek

>>18066101
>>18066275
Does this Polish ape really think White people stop existing East of the Oder? He’s right in a lot of ways. Anyway it is true what I said.
That heat map, which is unfortunately fake, that region in Russia - pic rel is what the people who live there actually look like. They even have festivals for redheads like in Ireland.
Poles will see the natural beauty of a European phenotype and immediately imagine only non-Whites can appreciate it.
Nonsensical. I have posted my hand before and these apes put it in their discord to try and dox me.
Shameless.

Slavs are retarded but a lot of their women are drop dead gorgeous. Imagine pulling a redheaded bitch into your panzer, the heat, the grease, the sweat, theorize the aroma.

>>18066830
>aaaaaack!!

>>18065370
All great germans were Jews, germans mostly contributed genocides and wars, they are apes that need to be controlled in order for Europe to funciton properly

>>18064078
>Goebbels as a rat
Sure communism doesn’t work, but they sure did some great propaganda art.

>>18066929
>where other men die instantly Germans fight for 24 minutes straight
Uh Based?
Literally a warrior race.

>>18067069
their woman spit out slavic children en masse, a true warrior spirit

>>18062530 (OP)
They absolutely were the greatest fighting force.It's too bad that they lost. The bad guys won World War 2, the world would have been a better place if they won. We would have had clean streets, 0 homeless, no antifa, 0 drugs, and our population would be healthy. We wouldn't have the entire population, either pumped up on drugs. Suffering from all sorts of stupid mental disorders. And you wouldn't be having this identity politics transgender promoting marxism, and there would be no Israel. Either.So the bad guy's won and the world has been sucking since.

>>18067090
>0 freedom
thank God we slaugther this bunch of nazi thugs with primitive tanks and horses for logistics then

>>18067101
>freedom is leftist drug addicts
??????

>>18067089
>headcanon
reminder studies done on Germans in 2022 found they have zero Slavic admixture and the highest TFR among Slavic populations is slavic women living in Germany.

>>18067408
No, freedom is right-wing drug addicts.

>>18066830
>n-no I can't post my hand because... uhh le discord will le doxx me!
Keeeek what a latrinx bitch

>>18067412
>reminder that german studies, which I won't quote btw, have found out that germans are le best
lmao okay spic retard

>>18062873
german superweapons
>tank that didn't worked
>gun that didn't worked
>ship that didn't worked

allies superweapon
>portable sun delivered by plane

>>18067090
Cringe

Do allied retards really think their "win" is admirable & honorable? The soviet & polish eastern barbarians, numbering in the tens of millions with infinite $$ and military equipment/ resources being supplied by the degenerative Yankees, safe and sound far away from the war, is a situation that no nation can win. The Germans are the most deadly, professional military force ever seen in modern combat, and they're K/D ratio proves it. A shame really they lost, although the millions of dead slavs makes up for it

>>18068016
go back to your map games dicklet

>>18068034
Slavs are utterly incompetent and the post war decades pretty much proved it, with the pathetic collapse of the USSR. A German-ruled Europe would have greatly benefited western Europe, while turning the east into their own personal settler/production farms. The Anglo's deserve the suffering for fighting for a pathetic , meme tier nation as of Poland.

>>18068055
>fighting for a pathetic , meme tier nation as of Poland.
They didn't even do that. They handed it over to Stalin without even as much as an ultimatum.
But when Germany does it...

>>18068055
>>18068164
>loses

>>18069366
>>18068164
50+ million slavs died, like pathetic subhumans they are. Only wished the German shot every pole and Russian they came across and instead of killing jews, they should have killed slavs only.

>>18069455
you can't genocide people who are stronger than you

>>18062530 (OP)
>Lose the only war they partake in
>Still live rent free in ton of people's heads

>>18069484
That's what happens when you lose so hard to a bunch of shitters

>>18069484
This is the same shit as the US losing Vietnam, a bunch of faggot ass shitters who are still seething about losing a war that happened before their grandparents were even born.

>>18069818
>>18069489
>>18069366
>>18069472
>slavs on damage control
>MUH MAP LINES
Pidor, 80m of your people died, thats more than the entire population of Germany, Your racial superstate collapsed and to this day has still never recovered, your enemies are all wealthier, stronger, and more populous than they were prior to fighting you.
map lines do not change the fact that where it counts the Axis dominated you, they spilled more of your blood and than you did of theirs.
Blood is all that matters and you lost more of it.
lines on a map are irrelevant, look at how easily they change, even in peace time.
People matter.

>>18069880
If true then Russia won because they're the last bastion of Western civilization while Germany is a judaified muslim-african dystopia.

>>18068055
try not losing every war you ever started in the next universe, germutt

>>18070158
Germans won every war they started, they lost the world wars because they didnt start them and had to be dragged into war with the rest of the planet.
Germans are naturally great men, look at how much lower the prevalence of AIDs is in Germany compared to Russia, or how much higher the HDI in Germany is compared to Poland.

>>18062530 (OP)
>>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
To claim that title a force has to actually win their war

>>18070528
Ever since germany's creation in 1871 they won jackshit

>>18069880
>80m of your people died
Wrong, my people were oppressed by both nazis and Russians. Both of them are vile disgusting people. At least the Germans try to hide it these days.

>>18071128
Boxer Rebellion

Its very simple. If Wehrmacht goes all out on Britain after the Fall of France, including immediately stepping into Africa and the Middle East its a german WW2 Victory. The Soviet Union would have never invaded and it was turned to life by US Lend-Lease. Just make Britain accept peace and the whole thing is over.

Anons itt need to improve their jewdars
>>18072479

All anti-German posters are jews until proven to be Poles or Russians.

>>18071128
Do you mean the creation of the German Empire?
Germany as a concept of unified German speakers won numerous wars and predates 1871.

>>18072901
>Germany as a concept won wars
ESL retard

>>18072756
Try again faggot, the krauts are jealous that we dod literally everything better than them (and still do lmao) while the slavs hate us for not being slavic enough for them. In other words because we aren't barbaric alcoholic retards, rather just civilized alcoholic retards.

>>18067408
Nazi Germany was governed by leftist drug addicts.

>>18069484
>don't mention Hitler
>some wignat cries because he feels that his relevance is slipping
>mention Hitler
>some wignat cries because people won't stop talking about him in the current year
stormniggers are mentally ill

>>18072971
He's right. Germany and Rome are transcendental.

>>18062530 (OP)
>best K/D, basically steamroll anyone 1v1 including Americans
>simply outnumbered and ran out of supplies sooner
>what they feared would happen to them and all of Europe is actively being fulfilled as you read this

Hopefully you grow old enough to realize your stupidity.

>>18065721
Lol. He shut up real good.

>>18062530 (OP)
>be greatest fighting force the world has ever seen
Sorry, posted the wrong picture.

>>18062530 (OP)
>greatest fighting force
>lose to equipment made in sheds
This should tell you that they were not the greatest fighting force kek

>>18073536
inbred chavs are the greatest figthing force? maybe in grimsby