Thread 18068560

how did christianity go from "killing infidels is a meritorious act that's good for your soul and blasphemers should be slowly mutilated in public" to... this?

>lose political power
>have to rely on moral persuasion
>it turns out normies don't like it when you kill or mutilate people

secularism endgame

>>18068581
Would you prefer to pay an extra 10% of your annual income to the church retard? Because that and dominating all fields of education was where the traditionally churches pollical authority came from.

>>18068589
No, I love paying +70% to a state that hates me.

>>18068560 (OP)
how many years is he getting for this?

>>18068560 (OP)
>le pope is Christian
Let him try this in a random Orthodox church.

>>18068592
if you're paying +70% it's because society is rewarding you beyond your wildest dreams and you live more than comfortably on the 30% left over
You need to be really rich to have that kind of tax rate

>>18068571
Fpbp
>>18068560 (OP)
What do you expect them to do? If it’s a drunk or insane person, don’t you think crucifying them is overkill? If it’s some political thing, killing them just lends weight to their cause. What’s wrong with escorting them from the building and pressing charges for whatever this was like a civilized organization?

>>18068560 (OP)
Neither of those are Christianity. Enjoy Hell.

>>18068612
>rapes your daughter
>gets attacked for it
heh... you just PROVED my point all along!

>>18068589
ESL

>>18068560 (OP)
They actually read the words of their prophet maybe?

>>18068611
Nonsense

They did go through the rule of harlots this isn't so bad in hindsight

>>18068625
the same people who were killing infidels and executing heretics obsessively read the bible

>>18068612
>If it’s some political thing, killing them just lends weight to their cause
Ah yes, good old "if you kill your enemies, they win".
How many conflicts were won this way?

>>18068645
I recall the Romans executed Jesus to stop the growth of this subversive "Christianity" sect

>>18068648
No that isn't why they executed Jesus. It was because they were mediating in some drama between Jews and hoping to maintain stability, which evidently didn't work out. They didn't persecute Christianity until after Jesus' death.

>>18068645
What would killing him accomplish?

>>18068648
You recall wrong. The romans explicitely killed Jesus because of 1. local political demands from the jewish priesthood and 2. because some of Jesus's claims could be interpreted as perduellio
1. is irrelevant to the spread of christianity and 2. was completely and utterly banished from christian theology and institutions, which started pushing render unto Caesar instead.

>>18068611
>he thinks goyimvernment 'public servants' make good use of tax buxx
the absolute state

>>18068657
Visible punishment has great value.
It shows your people that you care to defend them.
It shows neutrals that you're strong and worth befriending.
It shows enemies you shouldn't be fucked with.
You don't need to kill him strictly speaking, but what other punishment is better? It's the easiest solution: it's harsh, it's quick, it removes someone harmful from society entirely.

>>18068674
>damn i thought that christians were fags until they murdered that dude for pissing on an altar, all hail the pope!
You have to be a teenager to think that the world works this way.

>>18068682
The world has worked this way for the entirety of history, and nowadays tough man approaches are always met very positively by the public, no matter how much pearl clutching it induces from the media.
Even when said men aren't truly expected to do anything, the mere fact that they're willing to show themselves willing has a greatly positive impact on the public.
You are absolutely delusional or dishonest if you think or want me to believe you think people don't automatically lose respect for whoever is willing to tolerate insult for no obvious reason.

>>18068692
Ok so tell me, realistically, what do you think would've happened if they executed that guy? And don't give me vague horseshit like "uh people would think it's based and redpilled", give me actual real events you think would result from it.

>>18068560 (OP)
Verily I say unto you, if a man pisseth in your altar, invite him that he may shit as well;

>>18068694
>give me actual real events
Are you retarded? Do you actually think someone would read such an asinine request and think you are doing anything other than sealioning?
This without even considering the fact that I was talking about the appropriateness of dealing with insult as harshly or more harshly than any other crime in general, rather than this specific circumstance.
You know, lèse-majèsté, something that has been a thing in exactly the terms I'm describing pretty much everywhere through all of history up to the last century or thereabout.

>>18068732
The post you replied to was "what would that accomplish" you stupid faggot.

>>18068737
The post you replied to was mocking the idea of "if you kill your enemies, they win" you stupid faggot.

>>18068645
You kill one of them, and their power multiplies. You have to kill all of them without mercy. Read Machiavelli.

>>18068674
Pretty spot on, anon. Politics is in actuality extremely simple. Think it was King-Saint Louis of France who said something along the lines of "The only dialogue I'll have with a blasphemer is a sword through his belly" or some such.

What did they do wrong? You can't just stop him mid stream the piss would get everywhere including on your clothes.

>>18068560 (OP)
Nobody really believes in religion strongly anymore compared to centuries ago. Part of the disenchantment of the world I guess.

>>18068948
Well, maybe Christians. Muslims are more insane now than ever (see ISIS)

>>18068944
If that guy has the arrogance and stupidity to piss on an international holy site he’s probably an atheist with STDs. I ain’t touching his dick.

why do people still say that white replacement isn't real when it's happening on every conceivable level and every single metric supports its existence?

Don’t make me tap the sign

>>18068960
remember when varg said brown hair was alien to europe until one of his welfare babies popped out with brown hair

>>18068954
Western culture has been moving away from Christianity ever since 1789 and promotes liberalism, which naturally entails skepticism towards religion.
Muslim societies are insular and autocratic, it's not a fair comparison.
Westernized Arab women post boobs on TikTok. The closer you are to the West (liberalism), the less religious you are. Bosniaks are far less religious than Pakistanis.

>>18068962
remember when he said his kid with brown hair actually had blonde hair

>>18068958
They gaslight by saying: "it's not a plot, nobody is looking to deliberately replace whites", when it being a plot or not isn't even the point

>>18068962
Remember you’re brown?

>>18068958
white replacement started the moment that non-english people starting calling themselves white. people want to lay claim to their accomplishments without actually doing anything and it is pathetic.

>>18068969
>english
>accomplishments
That would be the French and the Germans though

>>18068560 (OP)
"This" (modern tolerance) is a product of Enlightenment values that Christianity itself helped create by pushing for the concept of inherent human dignity.

>>18068560 (OP)
The declawing of Christianity is a good thing. The Church was too cruel when it held political power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimierz_%C5%81yszczy%C5%84ski

>>18068966
when you hit them with the "black crime isn't a plot either" their brains just completely shut down

>>18068958
Because denying white replacement is a religion

>>18068674
like with Jesus or Jan Hus or Joseph Smith? When it comes to religion it's generally better not to give your enemies free martyrs, a lot of people are more dangerous to your cause dead than alive

>>18068958
The "replacement" is just boomers dying and people moving. Birth rates are falling globally, including for minorities in the US. The only "replacement" happening is your brain being replaced with schizo conspiracy theories.

if the church was my landlord, like in the middle ages, my rent would be lower proportionally than it is now
this was true even in the 16th century btw
especially in Britain, before the dissolution of the monasteries

>>18068986
>conspiracy
There it is again lol

>>18068986
Nice religious dogma you have there pedro

>>18068979
Weird little polish kike in that wiki article

>>18068986
actually a lion faced serpent named yaldabaoth is why I can't breed

>>18068571
Christianity has more political power than ever, all three branches of the US are captured by them, the top two landholders on earth are christian organizations, the reason their typical minority persecution politics don't work is because they are the majority.

>>18068963
No it hasn't, they didn't add in god we trust to the money or one nation under god to the pledge until the 1950s.

>>18068988
You wouldn't have electricity, running water or any "advanced luxuries" like that those either, though.

>>18069012
>Christianity has more political power than ever
All they do with this "power" is import browns, big deal, every other institution does that too

>>18069012
those aren't actual "christians" in the historically accurate sense, those are just new age radical zionist evangelicals who are trying to bring about the world as described in the scofield bible, which is full of commentary provided by jewish rabbis
they're about as christian as a russian tatar is a european

>>18069027
No, they also overturn abortion and effectively outlaw porn.

>>18069034
No, you are outright lying, its catholics who captured the supreme court and the largest percentage of US senators and members of the house.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States
>6 of 9 catholic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliation_in_the_United_States_Senate
>24% of senators
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliation_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
>29% of reps

>>18069050
Nothingburgers

>>18069012
The american government is christian in name only.

>>18069068
>>18069075
Cope and deceive

>>18068571
>it turns out normies don't like it when you kill or mutilate people
Normies are cattle that just follows whatever narrative is dominant. What they like or dislike is irrelevant.

>>18068560 (OP)
>God could've made this guy drop dead of a heart attack as his was peeing
>he didn't
God loves it when people pee on his altars confirmed (he's probably into it)

>>18068571
>it turns out normies don't like it when you kill or mutilate people
Who cares? “Being liked” means absolutely nothing because being a cuck won’t persuade anyone. Being respected is what matters. Imagine if someone took a piss in the Mecca, do you really think he wouldn’t be lynched or beheaded on the spot?

>>18068560 (OP)
Women.

>>18068978
and Christianity got it from Buddhism and/or Hellenistic thought

>>18069166
I don't think you are keeping up on the state of cuckoldry if you don't understand how much cucks have convinced modern society to cuck to the point you vote for some guy to vote on your behalf and call that democracy.

>>18069166
>you don't act like violent double digit iq camel riders and that makes you a cuck
Brown

>>18069210
>source: dude trust me
Buddhism believes if you're born disabled and poor it's because of what you did in a previous life and the ancient Greeks thought that only other Greeks counted as human beings, most of them owned slaves too

>>18069228
>it's because of what you did in a previous life
And you still have the potential for awakening.
>ancient Greeks thought that only other Greeks counted as human beings
It came to me in a dream.
>most of them owned slaves too
Like christian Romans and later chirstian yanks?

>>18068571
>it turns out normies don't like it when you kill or mutilate people
Explain Republican median voters.

>>18069050
Where is abortion overturned and porn banned?

>>18069283
Clamped, cut, and vaxxed— not real people, they never had a chance.

>>18069301
Red states especially those whose legislatures that are majority christian and tied into the lobbying efforts associated with the Project 2025 agenda.

>>18069307
Which red states banned porn?

>>18069309
Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah and Virginia have all gone the marijuana tax stamp route of putting into place restrictions with nothing way to participate or enforce which effectively outlaws it to the point the streamers have to block access to comply with the law.

>>18068606
Good question. So apparently the Italian criminal code is in force unless explicitly overruled by a vatican law. but I cannot find an easy current legal code to "browse" as I would with other countries.
Maybe there is a legal scholars anon amongst us?

>>18069050
Hopefully contraceptives and miscegenation are next :)

>>18069067
and an even higher proportion of senators are jewish

>>18069402
Not as a percent of the senate they aren't, jews are included in the links I provided, their representation per capita is overstated, but not the raw proportion of senators.