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Anonymous No.18068795 >>18069142 >>18069198 >>18069199 >>18069236 >>18069255 >>18069385 >>18069399 >>18069635 >>18069836 >>18071489 >>18072013 >>18072619 >>18072648 >>18073131 >>18074563 >>18075380 >>18076409 >>18077676 >>18078648 >>18078963
Ancient Greeks were brownoids. It's time to move on.
For the longest time, I didn't want to believe it. But given the past decade of genetic data, it's clear classical Greeks were not Aryan. And not just the classical ones, even the Mycenaeans weren't white, owing to their excess of CHG and Levant PPNB and position on the Near Eastern cline. Our Volk has already wasted too much time mythologizing and studying these ancient brown pederasts mistakenly thinking they were our white Nordic brethren. Anything Greek must be substituted with Germanic equivalents at once. I have some initial suggestions, but feel free to add your own.

>stop reading Greek philosophy and read only the Germanic philosophers, like Kant, Schopenhauer, and Fichte
>instead of reading Homer read the Norse Sagas
>instead of learning Greek learn Old Norse, Gothic, or Old High German
>avoid using Greek words and prefixes and suffixes when possible, when we have a National Socialist government Eindeutschung language reform can take place
>never celebrate Greek achievement, only the destruction and subjugation of Greeks at the hand of Germanic Aryans (Alaric's sacking of Athens, the Fourth Crusade, Norman raids into the Byzantine Empire, modern Greece having a German royal family, etc)
>don't look to the Greek heroes, we need Germanic heroes instead, like Adolf Hitler and Hermann
>stop saying the Greeks were not gay, we will change course and portray them as homosexuals now
>don't describe a well-built physique as "like a Greek God", try to say "like a Germanic warrior" or "like a Viking" instead

Latin is borderline due to Latin's relevance in Medieval Germanic Europe and due to Italics being vaguely peripherally European and Bell Beaker derived unlike the Greeks, although the low levels of steppe is a problem. Anything from Imperial Rome is to be avoided due to the racial replacement but citing old patrician stock like Cicero as well as Germanic authors from after the Migration Period should be fine, but be careful.
Anonymous No.18069133 >>18078733
>ukraine crimea
Anonymous No.18069142 >>18073254
>>18068795 (OP)
>pick up Taleb's book about the hindsight rationalisation of outlier events
>entire 1st chapter is about how lebs are white
Anonymous No.18069172 >>18077676
>closer to lebanese christians than to iberians
it's never been more over for gayropeans
taleb won
Anonymous No.18069198
>>18068795 (OP)
Here you have a thread on who the Greeks are and how it formed:
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17717684
Anonymous No.18069199 >>18069236 >>18069239
>>18068795 (OP)
people care about the original latin stock (outliers excluded), not the greeks
Anonymous No.18069236 >>18069240 >>18072612
>>18068795 (OP)
Wasn't gothic created by a swarthoid greek as well?
>>18069199
Copium
Anonymous No.18069239
>>18069199
All latin samples resemble spaniards and italians, i.e. brown
Anonymous No.18069240
>>18069236
Yes it was created by cappadocian bvll
Anonymous No.18069255 >>18069261 >>18069607
>>18068795 (OP)
no show the iron age latins, and don't show the outliers
Anonymous No.18069261 >>18069330 >>18069607
>>18069255
Brown shitskins
Anonymous No.18069330
>>18069261
keeeeek
Anonymous No.18069349 >>18069383
>2 of the actual 7 republican romans we have are "outliers"
>28% of the sample are still called outliers
nordcucks are fucking desperate. Kill yourselves, you actual waste of oxygen.
Anonymous No.18069383 >>18069404
>>18069349
they are outliers, retarded low iq spastic, 2 different profiles can't be native to the latins and we know the latins had the more european profile due to the context (the similarity to close tribes for example)
they are mixed with foreigners they're not fully latins, south italian supremacists are literally no better than third worldist multiculturalists
Anonymous No.18069385 >>18073974
>>18068795 (OP)
you lost the ancient italics tho, that were far closer to central europeans than to middle easterners
Anonymous No.18069399 >>18069663
>>18068795 (OP)
the greeks were homos no one cares about them, we care about conquerors in greek history, the only conquerors were the macedonians that may have been genetically more european due to balkan ancestry
the founding stock of the romans on the other hand turned out to be almost fully european (south french/corsican-like
Anonymous No.18069404 >>18069440
>>18069383
you are completely and utterly mentally ill if you think 28% of a distribution can be called outliers. Off yourself.
Anonymous No.18069410 >>18069566
>no one cares about the greeks
kek do timmoids really? Timmy is also a greek name lul
Anonymous No.18069440
>>18069404
it can, the sample size is small and more outliers than average happened, they are outliers, you can't explain middle eastern ancestry in some samples that make them different from the others and from other italics as native
Anonymous No.18069566
>>18069410
he right tho
Anonymous No.18069607 >>18069609
>>18069255
>>18069261
Wishful thinking to believe Romans were pure Italic mudhutters. They all get detected as Italian/Greek by AI, even the early Republicans like Brutus.
Anonymous No.18069609 >>18069630
>>18069607
>AIshit
thank you for demonstrating you have no counterarguments
Anonymous No.18069630 >>18069649
>>18069609
Anonymous No.18069635 >>18069663 >>18069678 >>18073284 >>18074321 >>18074332
>>18068795 (OP)
Non whites, the brown skinned, are the result of whites breeding with their black slaves. The use of such slaves in greek society, and the second class status of the brown hybrids, is an undeniable reality of ancient greek history.

Where your modern genetic analysis fails is that it deliberately misrepresents by presenting slaves and the second class brown hybrids as if they were Greeks. Such a misrepresentation could either be due to a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the truth, or from ignorance.

Ultimately what this all means is the Greeks were white.
Anonymous No.18069649 >>18069663
>>18069630
>AIshit again
yawn
Anonymous No.18069663 >>18069666
>>18069399
>>18069635
>>18069649
Stop samefagging lmao, you lost.
Greeks were brown meds, Romans were brown meds, Illyrians were brown meds, Thracians were brown meds. The most relevant and praised ones were Ionians, who were also the most MENA-shifted Europeans. Nords worship med peoples.
Anonymous No.18069666 >>18069671
>>18069663
>Stop samefagging lmao, you lost.
not samefagging, this AIshit is completely useless, you're cluttering the thread with this

latin founders were european shifted, cope and seethe
Anonymous No.18069671 >>18069675
>>18069666
I don't care about AI, not my post.
Nords are actually more middle eastern than meds are European. You are 60%+ ANF and CHG. Humiliations of Nords are endless lmao.
Anonymous No.18069675 >>18069692 >>18069703
>>18069671
cope and seethe, latins were european shifted
Anonymous No.18069678 >>18069682 >>18069696
>>18069635
Elite Greeks from Mygdalia and Nestor Palace.
Anonymous No.18069682 >>18069687
>>18069678
It's fucking over
You med gods were right all along. We nords lost...
Anonymous No.18069687
>>18069682
Replying to yourself is homosexual and your gay spreadsheets are retarded.
Anonymous No.18069692 >>18069834
>>18069675
the IA macedonians were too likely, their warrior spirit is more akin to indo european warriors
Anonymous No.18069696
>>18069678
R1b, sons of nordics
Anonymous No.18069703 >>18069726
>>18069675
Latins were civilized by Greeks. Caesar, Augustus, even Brutus all most likely had Greek/East Med admixture.
Anonymous No.18069726 >>18069728
>>18069703
>most likely
opinion discarded
Anonymous No.18069728 >>18069733 >>18069738
>>18069726
In the case of Augustus, it can be directly confirmed (he had ancestors from Calabria). He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.
Anonymous No.18069733 >>18069782
>>18069728
>In the case of Augustus, it can be directly confirmed (he had ancestors from Calabria).
no it can't since we don't have his genome
>He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.
lmao
Anonymous No.18069738 >>18069746 >>18069782
>>18069728
>He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.
he doesn't, don't post curated AI slop as selfconfirmation
Anonymous No.18069746 >>18069757
>>18069738
AI is right. Nord suck med dick so much. You never be med chad ever.
Anonymous No.18069757 >>18069784
>>18069746
the AI tool you're using is unofficial shit for indians
Anonymous No.18069782 >>18069811
>>18069733
>>18069738
Faceblind sisters...
Anonymous No.18069784
>>18069757
he is bro. Augustus is actually med chad and nord sissie will seethe forever.
Anonymous No.18069811 >>18069841
>>18069782
looks nothing like him sorry
Anonymous No.18069834
>>18069692
Macedonians were the most northern Greeks, but still Italian/Balkan-like.
Anonymous No.18069836
>>18068795 (OP)
Just be grateful to them for civilization. There are many good brown persons today too.
Anonymous No.18069841 >>18069858
>>18069811
Copium. Even the lips are identical.
Anonymous No.18069858
>>18069841
nope
Anonymous No.18069886 >>18069915 >>18069919
This tool is pretty good imo. It detects something even highly specific like Ashkenazi Jew (Jews have their own drift which G25 does not show). There's a fair bit of distance between Ashies and South Italians on FST.
Anonymous No.18069915 >>18069935
>>18069886
worthless amateur tool
Anonymous No.18069919 >>18069935
>>18069886
>imo
important keyword here, try to keep that opinion to yourself, stop spamming this shit, we already have social media full of mindless ai garbage
Anonymous No.18069935 >>18069941
>>18069915
>>18069919
Seething apecity monkeys. We don't need your shitty classifications anymore. AI is more reliable than apecity.
Anonymous No.18069941 >>18070086
>>18069935
this is a useless amateur pajeet tool, you can keep spamming this trash all you want, no one is going to take it seriously nor they have an obligation to consider it
Anonymous No.18070086
>>18069941
>this is a useless amateur pajeet tool
the same is true of G25
Anonymous No.18070989 >>18071043 >>18074104
THANK GOD! Finally a honest Nord is realizing the truth. Can Nords now and forever please leave south european/Near eastern/Levantine/Iranian people alone? We are not the same as you, our achievements are NOT yours to claim.

When I go to Athens as an Iranian I feel like I'm walking the streets of Tehran and people treat me like a local, mistake my face and manners for a Greek. When Anglos go there they get into fights with local greek men and get thrown out of bars for not behaving.

Anglos are especially the worst offenders when it comes to appropriating Greeks as per this exhibit by insane lying self delusional Anglo rat:
>John Stuart Mill's famous opinion was that "the Battle of Marathon, even as an event in British history, is more important than the Battle of Hastings".
Anonymous No.18071043 >>18071094
>>18070989
>Saar I am more European than other Europeans
Anonymous No.18071094
>>18071043
Nords are not European only Meds are
Anonymous No.18071489 >>18072027 >>18072443
>>18068795 (OP)
Gayreeks were iran-level brownoids.
Macedonians were White (resembled northern italians).
Anonymous No.18071993
Good, can nordicist schizos leave my people alone now?
Anonymous No.18072013 >>18072029
>>18068795 (OP)
Both those people meant to appear brown look white to me. I’m done with this debate, we just have fundamentally different ideas of what is and isn’t white
Anonymous No.18072027 >>18072443
>>18071489
macedonians were white northern chads, until they assimilated into greek culture due to phillip conquering the greeks, prior to that they were culturally distinct with polygamy, a distinct language unintelligible to greeks, and favored the scythians to there east and celts to their west not just the greeks to their south
Anonymous No.18072029 >>18073979
>>18072013
do you consider egyptians white?
Anonymous No.18072443 >>18072567 >>18072789 >>18073776
>>18071489
>>18072027

Macedonians were a greek kingdom, what are you talking about?

The only people in the world who claim otherwise are Albanians and (currently) North Macedonians (they officialy acknowledged as a nation that they have no connection on ancient macedocian kingdom as a state, plus the many statements from politicians and historians).
Anonymous No.18072567 >>18072645 >>18072669
>>18072443
Anonymous No.18072612
>>18069236
The goths were noted as being big, tall and exceptionally attractive blondes by the Romans.
Anonymous No.18072619 >>18073010 >>18074122
>>18068795 (OP)
>ancient Greeks were brown skinned people with substantial negro admixture just like the modern population today

You'd have to be retarded to believe that.
Anonymous No.18072645
>>18072567
Mate, your dna is near identical with Bulgarian people. This is a generally accepted opinion. You look the same, you are both Slavs. To claim otherwise is insane.

I will say it again, there is a reason that in every single country and university in the world by any decent ancient historian (meaning that at least knows ancient greek to actually read from the original texts) it is without a doubt that Alexander the great was greek. There isn't some worldwide conspiracy going on. The only people that generally believe otherwise are you and Albanians (of course you can add the Turks who hate Greece with all their heart but that's a general hate).
Anonymous No.18072648
>>18068795 (OP)
Anonymous No.18072669
>>18072567
this sample is contaminated. it was stated in the study
Anonymous No.18072789 >>18072843 >>18072922 >>18074114
>>18072443
Early Macedonians were simply Illyrians. Later ones were mixed with Greeks.
Anonymous No.18072843
>>18072789
original nordic macedonians creators of the macedonia empire
Anonymous No.18072922 >>18072954 >>18073054
>>18072789
What even is this image?

What dateset/tool is this image from?

What are the definitions/samples for “Macedonia_IA” and “Classical_Hellenistic Macedonia” used here? Ancient Iron Age Macedonia had a population(s) sampled? Where and how well‑dated?

Which populations are being used as references/comparators? (Tuscan, Thessaly, etc.) Are they modern, ancient, what sample sizes, what geographic spread?

Im pretty sure you found this on facebook and just posted it.
Anonymous No.18072954 >>18073066
>>18072922
Macedonia_IA is contaminated
Anonymous No.18073010 >>18073035 >>18074122
>>18072619
Never underestimate Albanian, West Buglarian and Turkish propaganda.
Anonymous No.18073035 >>18074122
>>18073010
he is probably one of those. read his post again
Anonymous No.18073054 >>18073065
>>18072922
the macedonia hellenistic sample is actually from the illyrian part of north macedonia, not the actual kingdom of macedon and of course it's not buried with greek material culture. And of course the n=1, it's not even an average, but nordicists will cling to anything just to say that ancient greeks weren't terrone like. It's pathetic, just like they cling to the logkas samples which are just two random whores in a cave, while apparenlty real mycenean aristocrats from crete don't matter.
Anonymous No.18073065 >>18073066 >>18073156
>>18073054
the macedonia_ia shows north-italian like features, this was to be expected from such conquerors
Anonymous No.18073066 >>18073068
>>18073065
>>18072954
Anonymous No.18073068
>>18073066
it's not
Anonymous No.18073088
not my fault if you cant read
Anonymous No.18073131 >>18073152
>>18068795 (OP)
no one cares about the myceneans, show us the logkas-like macedonians
Anonymous No.18073133
>no one cares about homeric heroes
L M A O
the cope is unreal
Anonymous No.18073152 >>18073169
>>18073131
the sampe in the op is a dorian, schizo
Anonymous No.18073156 >>18073174
>>18073065
>North Italians
>Conquerors

This is funny.
Anonymous No.18073169 >>18073201
>>18073152
no, there's no proof of that
Anonymous No.18073174
>>18073156
the higher amount northern genetics made them stronger
Anonymous No.18073201 >>18073203
>>18073169
cherson was founded by people from megara, literal dorians. Why are you mentally ill? Why do you dislike anything historic and keep going with your fanfiction?
Anonymous No.18073203
>>18073201
we have no information on that sample, stop spreading misinfo
Anonymous No.18073208 >>18073219
>sample dated from the iron age in a greek colony is not greek because I said so
Anonymous No.18073219 >>18073226
>>18073208
its also far away from greece and its native people looked nothing like the greeks genetically, but the sample is not greek. this guy's just unhinged or trolling.
Anonymous No.18073220
>sample with no information about it being greek is greek because i said so
Anonymous No.18073223 >>18073257
>cherson was not greek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chersonesus
I have timmy fatigue
Anonymous No.18073226 >>18073234 >>18073238 >>18073250 >>18073391 >>18074129 >>18074153 >>18074436
>>18073219
the sample is not greek tho, it's some thracian migrant that migrated north, the sample carries e-v13
Anonymous No.18073234 >>18073235
>>18073226
holy fuck, bodied that freak, the macedonian_ia people were way more northern than the myceneans
Anonymous No.18073235
>>18073234
you can't even read
Anonymous No.18073238 >>18073245
>>18073226
says you
Anonymous No.18073245 >>18073246
>>18073238
no where in the study the word "greek" is even mentioned, stop spreading misinformation
Anonymous No.18073246 >>18073253
>>18073245
does it say thracian migrant?
Anonymous No.18073250
>>18073226
so just a thracian, it makes sense, the macedonians were likely south french-like
Anonymous No.18073253 >>18073261 >>18074129
>>18073246
it doesn't say greek migrant, so we're both speculating, and as far as speculation goes, the thracian migrant hypothesis is the correct one
Anonymous No.18073254
>>18069142
>claim to be White
>seethe uncontrollably at White people when they don't accept you
Why are Christian Arabs and Kabyle quadroons like this?
Anonymous No.18073257 >>18073268
>>18073223
The elites were Nordic, yes the slaves were browns like you and you dug up one of this biomass. Slaves you will return when National Socialism rises again and gains its Raum for the Great Germanic Empire. You and the Slavic slaves will be enslaved and driven to extinction and maybe in 2000 years they will find your weak short body and think that the ancient Fourth Germanic Reich was made of shitskin cattle like yourself.
Anonymous No.18073261 >>18073267
>>18073253
why?
Anonymous No.18073267 >>18073279 >>18073298 >>18074129
>>18073261
autosomally resembles thracians plus has ev13 plus geographical proximity
Anonymous No.18073268
>>18073257
uh oh, melty
Anonymous No.18073279 >>18073301
>>18073267
>autosomally resembles thracians
where?
>ev13
bronze age chania crete was ev13
>geographical proximity
it was a doric greek colony. why is it weird to you to have greeks in it?
Anonymous No.18073284
>>18069635

opposite, slave means white

yellow hair and blue eyes were the marks of a slave
Anonymous No.18073298 >>18073311
>>18073267
why is a thracian more likely than a greek in a greek colony again? The sample is mycenean + chg + steppe
Anonymous No.18073301 >>18073337 >>18073365 >>18074138 >>18074357 >>18074391 >>18074484
>>18073279
>where?
what do you mean where?
>bronze age chania crete was ev13
it was L618 and it was 1 out of hundreds of samples, while 70% of thracians were e-v13

not to mention the whole grave was extremely heterogeneous
you're just coping now
Anonymous No.18073311 >>18073337 >>18073361
>>18073298
thracian haplogroup

literally the whole set is full of extremely divergent people from each other, why would a thracian be so strange when they live close to crimea when you have people that plot with afghans there
you have anatolian migrants, caucasian migrants, but thracian migrants are too much now?
Anonymous No.18073337 >>18073353
>>18073301
>>18073311
What does it change if it's a Thracian or not, Mordvix? You're a slavshit and this is your master either way.
Anonymous No.18073353 >>18073364
>>18073337
i'm germanic
Anonymous No.18073361 >>18073368
>>18073311
Scythian, Mixed dude
Dacian, Tauri
Ionian Greek, Dorian Greek
Anonymous No.18073364
>>18073353
Frisian, go to our telegram chat. Ilukha is there
Anonymous No.18073365 >>18073373
>>18073301
It's closer to a Greek sample from Himera than to the Thracian.
Anonymous No.18073368 >>18073378
>>18073361
no, here's a more correct:

Scythian, Mixed dude
Dacian, Tauri
Mixed dude, Thracian
Anonymous No.18073373 >>18073376
>>18073365
unlike the greek samples he has e-v13, so it's thracian, also the fact you were reduced to using individuals speaks for itself
Anonymous No.18073376 >>18073379
>>18073373
It could be simply a Greek with E-V13. It's a very common haplogroup in modern Greece, so it has to enter the Greek genepool sooner or later.
Anonymous No.18073378 >>18073385
>>18073368
Bottom first guy is clearly Ionian and second guy is a bit northern shifted Mycenean, so Dorian.
Anonymous No.18073379
>>18073376
it's a thracian with e-v13, quit coping, modern greeks are irrelevant
Anonymous No.18073385 >>18073388 >>18073412
>>18073378
the "dorian" is a thracian, this is not up to discussion, bottom first guy is some anatolian mutt and resembles every other anatolian mutt
Anonymous No.18073388 >>18073397
>>18073385
Those bulgarian thracians are just less middle eastern greeks. They are similar. Dorians probably were the same.
Anonymous No.18073391
>>18073226
this settles it, it's obviously a thracian
Anonymous No.18073394
what a schizo
Anonymous No.18073397 >>18073507
>>18073388
No, the sample is a thracian with e-v13 that resembles thracians, stop being dishonest, it tells us nothing about iron age macedonians
Anonymous No.18073405
>thracian sample with e-v13 and with zero material greek culture is greek because... because it just is
southrons are becoming annoying with spamming this sample
Anonymous No.18073412 >>18073428
>>18073385
>bottom first guy is some anatolian mutt and resembles every other anatolian mutt
There are Nestor Palace samples like that, subhuman slav(e).
Anonymous No.18073428 >>18073482 >>18073515
>>18073412
cyprus not even in sight, just stop lying, it's an anatolian
Anonymous No.18073482 >>18073504
>>18073428
It's similar to some samples from Greek colonies in Anatolia, but so are the Nestor ones. It's not a full Anatolian.
Anonymous No.18073504 >>18073515 >>18073538
>>18073482
it's an anatolian migrant, i noticed how you're not showing the simplest thing that would prove your argument, the distance between those nestor samples and that ukraine sample, because they're not similar, that sample is a cypriot-like anatolian
Anonymous No.18073507 >>18073541
>>18073397
I bet many og Dorians were E-v13 and this is why Greeks have so much of it.
Anonymous No.18073515 >>18073534
>>18073428
>>18073504
That's clearly Ionian Greek.
Anonymous No.18073534 >>18073543
>>18073515
a migrant from anatolia, ionian "greek" were greeks in name only
Anonymous No.18073538 >>18073543 >>18073550
>>18073504
Clusters with Greek colonies in Anatolia and some Cycladic/LBA Greek samples. Greeks and Anatolians were very similar either way.
Anonymous No.18073541
>>18073507
nope they weren't, and greeks have so much of it because modern greeks are the sons of balkan slavic migrants, their haplogroups are irrelevant to the argument, they barely even have j2a that was the most common haplogroup in greece
Anonymous No.18073543
>>18073534
No they had 30-40% mycenean-like dna
>>18073538
True tho.
Anonymous No.18073550 >>18073555
>>18073538
>SHE'S NOT FROM ANATOLIA!!!
>anyway, here's a chart proving she was from anatolia
Anonymous No.18073555 >>18073558
>>18073550
Not full Anatolian. Clusters with Greeks from Greece as well.
Anonymous No.18073558 >>18073565
>>18073555
>most southern shifted individuals from islands
this is getting ridiculous, it's an anatolian
Anonymous No.18073565 >>18073710
>>18073558
>islands, anatolia
Bvlls who created Greek civilization.
Anonymous No.18073575
Anonymous No.18073710 >>18073716 >>18073729 >>18073884
>>18073565
"Only Mycenaeans were Greek and the others were just non Greek Hellenized Anatolians, who were Middle Eastern and totally different" is perhaps one of the most embarrassing Nordicist copes out there. No historian has ever made such a claim or would, this stupidity only started when wignats that hate Southern Europeans discovered G25. So only the Homeric heroes were the only Greeks and then pretty much all Greek philosophers, scientists, architects were just non-Greek Near Easterners who replaced Greeks. Then Ancient Greece would be meaningless because it would be restricted to a tiny point in time of seafaring warriors with minimal intellectual or civilizational achievement.
Anonymous No.18073716 >>18073884
>>18073710
And even that doesn’t make sense because Mycenaeans had CHG, Iran_N, and PPNB. They weren’t ever some paragon of whiteness anyways. At least for the Italics they could claim they were fully Steppe, ANF, and WHG but not Greeks. It’s just another desperate attempt to try and tear down Southern European history with frankly laughable and historically illiterate theories,
Anonymous No.18073729 >>18073737
>>18073710
it's not, they were middle eastern and you're replying to yourself
Anonymous No.18073737 >>18073742
>>18073729
So the Greek civilization was Middle Eastern and the pinnacle of Greek culture science and philosophy had the genetics of "Levantine slaves", great now you can stop kanging on them as Aryans now.
Anonymous No.18073742 >>18073754 >>18073781 >>18073884
>>18073737
the pinnacle of greek civilization was the empire of makedon, we literally wouldn't give 2 shits about the greeks if the macedonians didn't conquer west asia and egypt
Anonymous No.18073745
White pypio btfo
Anonymous No.18073754
>>18073742
thats the last thread you can cling to huh? you ll lose that too.
Anonymous No.18073776 >>18073803 >>18073882 >>18074154
>>18072443
They were as Greek as the manchus were Han Chinese, basically not at all, after conquering the Greeks the Macedonians assimilated, you don’t have to be a albanian or some slav to see that, they were totally distinct as a culture prior to phillip, and their culture was more similar to their northern neighbors
Anonymous No.18073781
>>18073742
The Macedonians that clustered with Tuscans? None of these people were anything like you whatsoever.
Anonymous No.18073803
>>18073776
>and their culture was more similar to their northern neighbors
how?
Anonymous No.18073882 >>18073888 >>18073898
>>18073776
Macedonians literally proved they were greek to participate in the Olympics. Alexander the first proved that.
Also Alexander the first ,while Macedonian kingdom was under Persian rule, sent this letter/message warning about the imminent attack of the persians to the united Greeks (except Thebes) fought Persians during the battle of Platae

Word for word (Herodotus, Histories , [9.45.1])

>οἱ δὲ ἐπεὶ ταῦτα ἤκουσαν, αὐτίκα εἵποντο ἐς τὰς φυλακάς. ἀπικομένοισι δὲ ἔλεγε Ἀλέξανδρος τάδε· Ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, παραθήκην ὑμῖν τὰ ἔπεα τάδε τίθεμαι, ἀπόρρητα ποιεύμενος πρὸς μηδένα λέγειν ὑμέας ἄλλον ἢ Παυσανίην, μή με καὶ διαφθείρητε· οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἔλεγον, εἰ μὴ μεγάλως ἐκηδόμην συναπάσης τῆς Ἑλλάδος. [9.45.2] αὐτός τε γὰρ Ἕλλην γένος εἰμὶ τὠρχαῖον, καὶ ἀντ᾽ ἐλευθέρης δεδουλωμένην οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοιμι ὁρᾶν τὴν Ἑλλάδα.


It LITERALLY says that he is Greek and wants Greece to be FREE.

How can you say such insane opinions that no one educated supports, you have done 0 research.

Holy fuck, why do you people even write on a history forum?
Anonymous No.18073884
>>18073742
There have been many empires throughout history. The Roman, Mongol, and Spanish empires were even more impressive. What makes the Greek civilization so unique is their way of thinking and philosophy.
>>18073710
>>18073716
Truth nukes.
Yes that cope is extremely dishonest.
Anonymous No.18073888
>>18073882
and because you are an uneducated monkey boy, the Battle of Plataea was at 479 BC, 150 years before Alexander the Great.
Anonymous No.18073898 >>18073946
>>18073882
>Herodotus
hellenized middle eastern shitskin according to germ schizo above
Anonymous No.18073946 >>18073952
>>18073898

The claims on this thread are just insane, beyond what we call fringe.

The only reason we should even bother is because other people that dont know read their opinions and think that they must be mainstream when they arent supported by anyone.

The greekness of macedonians is not up to debate.

The just try to morph history to fit your national,ideological,phyletic criteria
Anonymous No.18073949
North Macedonia samples are Illyrians, not Macedonian Greeks. They're closest to Illyrians and Albanians on Fst.
Anonymous No.18073952
>>18073946
*their
Anonymous No.18073974
>>18069385
Central Europeans are Med hybrids, their Farmer % Exceeds their Steppe ancestry once you get into Southern Germany. Sorry Northern Europeans still can't claim them.
Anonymous No.18073979
>>18072029
Obviously not
Anonymous No.18074104
>>18070989
>When I go to Athens as an Iranian I feel like I'm walking the streets of Tehran and people treat me like a local
Given the current demographics of Athens...
Anonymous No.18074114
>>18072789
Early Macedonians were close to their proto-Greek (and later proto-NorthWest Greek) ancestors with some other admixture. Later they mixed with other, closely related Greek tribes from nearby regions and then with other Greeks from further south as well as people like Thracians and Paeonians.
"But they don't cluster with Mycenaeans!" Of course, since Mycenaeans were more than half local Pelasgian-Helladic-Minoan
Anonymous No.18074122
>>18072619
>>18073010
>>18073035
>substantial negro admixture
Might be some American too, they're often the ones who think that mixing with blacks was some favourite past-time of ancient civilizations
Anonymous No.18074125
shitalian nigger
Anonymous No.18074129 >>18074175
>>18073226
>>18073253
>>18073267
E-V13 has been found in ancient Greek samples already, plus its modern distribution aligns more with Greeks than with Thracians. I think it was some native Central-South Balkan haplogroup that got absorbed into various populations, possibly during the late bronze age? We might see it in Dorians (confirmed ones, I mean) incl. close relatives like Epirotans, Macedonians, Aetolians as well as Paeonians, Triballians and such
Anonymous No.18074138
>>18073301
>hundreds of samples
Not really
Anonymous No.18074153
>>18073226
Proto-Greeks came from the North and wiped the floor with the Helots living in Hellas before them. This is well known.
Anonymous No.18074154
>>18073776
You would, of course, have some evidence and well-constructed arguments to back that up, right?
Anonymous No.18074175 >>18074196
>>18074129
>E-V13 has been found in ancient Greek samples already
no, that 1 sample has L618 and it's 1/100+, it's thracian

>plus its modern distribution aligns more with Greeks than with Thracians.
modern distribution is absolutely irrelevant
Anonymous No.18074196 >>18074235
>>18074175
Ok, it's not confirmed to be E-V13, it's confirmed to be its direct ancestor. One of the samples from Ambracia in Epirus was also E-M78 and if I remember correctly one of the samples from Himera as well, though ethnic affilitation there is less clear. Plus, I think there was at least one in the West vs East Med IE paper
>modern distribution is absolutely irrelevant
Not absolutely, as long as we don't have enough samples from various eras we need to work with what we do have. I'm not saying that the modern and ancient distributions are the same, but the various ancient and medieval migrations, direct and indirect, don't really seem to favour Thracians as the mediators. Still, we'll have to get more samples from more eras and locations to see the gradual change
Anonymous No.18074235 >>18074288
>>18074196
>One of the samples from Ambracia in Epirus was also E-M78
2 are e-v13 but they're illyrian mercenaries
rest you're just making it up, there's only 1 L618 in a greek out of more than a hundred males

the guy in chersonus is thracians, quit coping

>Not absolutely, as long as we don't have enough samples from various eras we need to work with what we do have. I'm not saying that the modern and ancient distributions are the same, but the various ancient and medieval migrations, direct and indirect, don't really seem to favour Thracians as the mediators. Still, we'll have to get more samples from more eras and locations to see the gradual change
modern distribution is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant, half of peloponnesians and greek epirots were arvanites, that's where greeks got their e-v13
Anonymous No.18074288 >>18074293
>>18074235
I don't understand your cope. Isn't it worse if it's a Thracian? That means the actual Classical Greeks had even less steppe than that sample.
Anonymous No.18074293 >>18074300
>>18074288
it's not "cope", you clearly don't know what cope means, it's a thracian and not a greek, and it's you coping endlessly by denying this

>That means the actual Classical Greeks had even less steppe than that sample.
it doesn't, that sample is completely inconsequential to greeks of any kind
Anonymous No.18074300 >>18074305
>>18074293
1) You don't have any proof it's a Thracian, E-V13 is a generic Paleo-Balkan haplo
2) The Greeks noted the Thracians for being lighter than them and yet this supposed 'Thracian' clusters with South Italians.
Anonymous No.18074305 >>18074309
>>18074300
>You don't have any proof it's a Thracian, E-V13 is a generic Paleo-Balkan haplo
there's no proof it's greek, it's likely a thracian since its autosomal ancestry is thracian and not illyrian
>The Greeks noted the Thracians for being lighter than them and yet this supposed 'Thracian' clusters with South Italians.
that sample is inconsequential to greeks
simply accept defeat with dignity, don't drag a losing argument so much
Anonymous No.18074309 >>18074317
>>18074305
It's not inconsequential. It literally clusters with Greeks from Himera (Classical Greeks from the same period).
Anonymous No.18074317 >>18074336
>>18074309
it's completely inconsequential
Anonymous No.18074321 >>18074328
>>18069635
Lol
Anonymous No.18074328
>>18074321
he's onto something
Anonymous No.18074332
>>18069635
its over for you
Anonymous No.18074336 >>18074339
>>18074317
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Anonymous No.18074339 >>18074352
>>18074336
it's not a lie, its genetics are completely inconsequential to the IA macedonians

and stop using individuals you worthless dishonest loser, only averages matter, it's overall closer to IA bulgarians
Anonymous No.18074352 >>18074357
>>18074339
You just activated my trap card.
Anonymous No.18074357 >>18074374
>>18074352
no see >>18073301 your doctored averages don't count
not that it matters anyway, the haplogroup is clear, it's e-v13, that's is NOT ancient greek whether you accept it or not

now stop acting like a 12 year old, you lost the argument, plain and simple, it's a thracian
Anonymous No.18074374 >>18074391
>>18074357
It's going to remain closer to Greeks from Himera and Iberian Empuries no matter how much you sperg about it. Those are Greeks from the same time frame. And it's overall closer to Mycenaeans than Bulgarian samples as a whole.
Anonymous No.18074391 >>18074401
>>18074374
>It's going to remain closer to Greeks from Himera and Iberian Empuries no matter how much you sperg about it. Those are Greeks from the same time frame. And it's overall closer to Mycenaeans than Bulgarian samples as a whole.
nope, this is objectively incorrect according to ACTUAL average >>18073301, it's useless of you to post these charts with cherrypicked individual samples (don't think i didn't notice you're omitting most of the bulgarian samples) and meme averages, it's overall closer to IA bulgarians

and as i said, it's e-v13, that is not greek, it's a thracian sample, there is no way around this, you're wasting anyones time
Anonymous No.18074401 >>18074425
>>18074391
That's not an average, retard. It's literally only one sample. Bulgaria_EIA is the real average.
Anonymous No.18074425 >>18074456
>>18074401
nope, it's an average, the true average actually, it's a thracian with e-v13, stop dragging this argument
Anonymous No.18074436 >>18074438
>>18073226
He was a literal Thracian dude, meds are so pathetic
Anonymous No.18074438
>>18074436
exactly, they're lying scum
Anonymous No.18074456 >>18074462
>>18074425
There's only one sample labeled as that in the dataset, Mordsnake.
Anonymous No.18074462 >>18074464
>>18074456
it's an average that you're omitting because you don't like it, and the sample is e-v13 anyway, it's a thracian, stop dragging this argument so much, stop coping, it's objectively a thracian, you only have one option: accepting it
Anonymous No.18074464 >>18074476 >>18074484
>>18074462
It's an individual sample, so it's fair to compare to other individuals like the Greeks from Himera and Empuries in Iberia.
Anonymous No.18074476 >>18074484
>>18074464
Also, would you be open to accept my argument that R435 sample from Republican period Rome is a Gaul based on this same argument we're having? So the half-East Med would be the real Republican in that case.
Anonymous No.18074484
>>18074464
>>18074476
nope, these is the only autosomal-related, chart that matters >>18073301 i won't go over this already
and the sample is e-v13, it's thracian, and i don't care about whatever retarded whataboutism false comparison that you probably think it's some sort of gotcha due to low iq but it's not
Anonymous No.18074490 >>18074501
it's just the chg innit?
Anonymous No.18074501 >>18074526
>>18074490
the original greeks were likely logkas-types, much more nordic by comparison
Anonymous No.18074526 >>18075063
>>18074501
the logkas are protogreeks, but their genetic profile likely survived in the upper classes
Anonymous No.18074563 >>18075195
>>18068795 (OP)
Hello you are a dumb nigger because the philosphers that you listed base at least some of their ideas around ancient Greek philosphy. To comprehend what any of them are saying required an understand of Greek philosphy. I disavow the Talmud.
Anonymous No.18075063
>>18074526
we have aristocrats ancient greek samples and they don't look logkas at all. Why are you mentally ill?
Anonymous No.18075195 >>18075259 >>18075267 >>18075271
>>18074563
Just in. Another Greek Aristocrat on E-V13.


1. "On the population of the Northern Black Sea region in Hellenistic - Roman times according to genome-wide analysis."
Leonova M.V., Zhur K.V., Prokhorchuk E.B., Svirkina N.G., Dobrovolskaya M.V., Bydanov A.S., Kuznetsov V.D., Voroshilov A.N., Ilyina T.A., Yazikov S.V.

2. "Genetic Studies of Burials from Two Crypts of the Ancient Period in the Eastern Necropolis of Phanagoria"
A. D. Manakhov, E. V. Rozhdestvenskikh, E. D. Aituganova, S. S. Kunizheva, A. N. Voroshilov, N. G. Svirkina, S. N. Ostapenko, V. D. Kuznetsov, E. I. Rogaev

Some subclades are found among the Middle Volga Tatars and Chuvash.

ID: mt Haplogroup | Y Haplogroup

1 study

FN2: H5 | -
FN3: H13a1a1 | -
FN6: T1* | -
FN8: H55 | -
FN9: U5a1b1 | J2a1a1a2b2a1a1c2b1~ J-Y18694 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y18694/
FN10: T2I | -
FN11: T2I | J2b1 J-M205 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M205/
FN12: J1d5 | Q1b2 Q-Y1150 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y1150/
KD1: H26a1 | -
KD5: T1a1 | G2a2b2a1a1a2a2a G-S9409 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-S9409/
KD6: U5a1d2b | R1b1a1b1 R-L584 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L584/
>P083: T2b+152 | E1b1b1a1b1a6a1~ E-CTS9320 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS9320/
P084: T2h2 | T1a2a T-Y13244 https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y13244/
P085: T2 | J2a~ J-M410 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M410/
P087: T1a2*2 | G2a2b2a1a1a2a3 G-BY109806 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-BY109806/
https://genarchivist.net/showthread.php?tid=96&page=59
Anonymous No.18075259 >>18075268
>>18075195
>Phanagoria
not in greece, more thracians

>genarchivist prediction
not a valid source
Anonymous No.18075267
>>18075195
these 2 studies you're posting have no samples released only abstracts, those guys talking about e-v13 are talking about a completely different study about dacians
Anonymous No.18075268
>>18075259
thracian or a dacian
Anonymous No.18075271 >>18075275
>>18075195
>Greek
roman times, look at colors, the reds are from the hellenistic period
>Aristocrat
we don't know anything about their social status

we don't know anything about his autosomal ancestry, he may look like those moldavian-like samples for all we know
Anonymous No.18075275 >>18075290
>>18075271
so just dacian from the roman times, got it
Anonymous No.18075290 >>18075293 >>18075298 >>18078796
>>18075275
a nothingburger

>The samples from the archaeological sites studied are heterogeneous and have their own characteristics. Based on the results of statistical data processing, the samples from the Kil-Dere 1 burial ground, Hermonassa and the eastern necropolis of Phanagoria can be roughly divided into two clusters. One of which is genetically related to Sarmatians from the Volga region and Scythians from Ukraine and Moldova, while the second cluster of samples is genetically related to representatives of the Caucasus.

>Individuals from Phanagoria during the Hellenistic-Roman period do not bear clear traces of Mediterranean influence. It is likely that an important role in the formation of this population was played by the ancient substratum of the Eneolithic and Bronze Ages
>Individuals from Hermonassa are located on the periphery of clusters of representatives of the Ancient Caucasus and Late Scythian populations, which apparently reflects the processes of mixing that were typical for the population of the Taman Peninsula in the mid-3rd century CE.

https://vas.sfu-kras.ru/uploads/Trudy_VII_XXIII_VAS_Tom_III_e6e99f6589.pdf
go to page 370

NO MEDITERRANEAN ANCESTRY, JUST SCHYTHIANS AND CAUCASIANS
Anonymous No.18075293 >>18075298 >>18078796
>>18075290
another quote
>Representatives from Kil-Dere 1, although they appear heterogeneous, also gravitate towards the late Scythian population of Central Europe and the Scythians from the territory of Ukraine.

SCYTHIANS AND CAUCASIANS
NO MEDITERRANEAN ANCESTRY
Anonymous No.18075298
>>18075293
>>18075290
medbros
Anonymous No.18075302
imagine a bunch of nordic blonde scythians and sarmatians running the greek colonies, it must have been kino
Anonymous No.18075380
>>18068795 (OP)
sage and report these retarded threads
Anonymous No.18076409 >>18077648
>>18068795 (OP)
You're the only one needing to move on from the topic nigger. No one cares what color they were
Anonymous No.18077648
>>18076409
Brownoid
Anonymous No.18077654 >>18077671
We are still superior to turkjeets, however.
Anonymous No.18077671 >>18077677
>>18077654
Greeks are europeans, Turks are roaches, Taleb is an arab, simple as.
Anonymous No.18077676 >>18078683
>>18068795 (OP)
>>18069172
Closeness is irrelevant, Greeks share more of their genome with Finns than with Lebanese.
Anonymous No.18077677
>>18077671
I mean the Central Asian roaches.
Anonymous No.18078648
>>18068795 (OP)
You're a dumb fucking loser
Anonymous No.18078683 >>18078751
>>18077676
What do you mean by that? Fst distance? That's not even true for the Etruscans/Italics.
Anonymous No.18078733
>>18069133
seething
Anonymous No.18078736 >>18079144
Anonymous No.18078740
nordicists btfo into oblivion
Anonymous No.18078751 >>18078756
>>18078683
No, Fst is just closeness by another name, I mean the admixture itself, Finns share more DNA with Finns than with Lebanese.
They have more genetic overlap as in both have WHG which is absent in Lebanese, both have significant proportions of steppe which is almost absent in Lebanese.
Anonymous No.18078756 >>18078760
>>18078751
more DNA with Greeks*
basically, Greeks and Finns share more ancestors despite their distance.
For example, a random Chinese-Congo hybrid shares more DNA/ancestry with a random Chinese person even if he is genetically closer to an Ethiopian than he is to a Chinese person.
Anonymous No.18078760
>>18078756
lebanese have received greek admixture in the late bronze age, you're a fucking retard
Anonymous No.18078796
>>18075290
>>18075293
meds can't explain this
Anonymous No.18078963
>>18068795 (OP)
Agreed. Mediterraneans were ugly and irrelevant. OP is right.
Anonymous No.18079144 >>18079238 >>18079519
>>18078736
Logkas and Roman are the only ones with acceptable distances, the others show a tendency but are too far from any modern population due to their very high ENF. I hope we get a good amount of samples from various eras soon
Anonymous No.18079238
>>18079144
Logkas is 45% steppe and a proxy for steppe ancestry in Greece, not an actual Greek. if you increase the Mycenaean steppe % by a reasonable amount like pic related it plots very close to modern Italians.
Anonymous No.18079519
>>18079144
>acceptable distances
north west classical greeks plot like this