Thread 18073105

>According to Abrahamism, the world is 6,000 years old
>Civilization in Mesopotamia and India arose 6,000 years ago
>The Sumerians wrote that the gods came from the heavens and taught them how to sow and reap, and gave them pickaxes, plows, etc.
>In the Middle Ages, an Islamic writer collected legends in the territory of former Babylon, where people told him that Adam was from India and called for worship of the moon
>Phoenician legend says that Adam had boats
>The cult of Inanna is as old as Sumer.
>According to legend, Derketo (Inanna, Aphrodite, Isis, Ishtar, Astarte, Asherah, etc.) fell into the Euphrates in a huge egg.
>The egg was rolled ashore by fish (apkallu/nagas).
>She herself was described as a snake/fish woman (the Dogon described their gods in the same way), but with a beautiful top and yellow hair.
>The Greeks, by their nature, tried to confuse the myth (although Thoth-Mercury instructed priests to confuse myths, according to Phoenician History) and distorted the myth by saying that Aphrodite emerged from the seed of Uranus (apparently these gods fled from somewhere, and the egg was a ship).
>The same Phoenician history says that there were egg-shaped Watchers in the sky.
>On Mount Hermon they worshipped snakes, all the gods in the mysteries turned into snakes, the Chinese openly honor snakes and dragons, calling them gods
>The feathered serpent, even the Slavic Perun was described as a serpent according to legends
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Votan (He built houses near the water, which were called snake houses) = Odin

Rudyard, everything okay?

>>18073105 (OP)
I think the orthodox and catholics have an older chronology because the dates in the septuagint and the masoretic for the family lineages there are a bit different.
The byzantine calendar claims that the world is 7533 years old.

Okay, even if we put aside the reptilian schizophrenia (though that's serious shit, no joke)

The fact remains, and Christians, while engaging in euhemerization, forget that this also applies to Jewish lore. It doesn't work that 99% myths and scriptures -demonism, schizophrenia, fiction, and fairy tales is gay and devil fake, while Abrahamism is the truth.The world isn't 6,000 years old, but nevertheless, something is clearly not pure and simple.

In any case,
>According to Abrahamism, the world is 6,000 years old
>Civilization in Mesopotamia and India arose 6,000 years ago
That's all.
That's enough.

Consider even the myth of Marduk, from what angle it can be viewed.
>A little later, Eusebius (9.41) cites Abydenus' Concerning the Assyrians for the information that the site of Babylon:
>was originally water, and called a sea. But Belus put an end to this, and assigned a district to each, and surrounded Babylon with a wall; and at the appointed time, it disappeared.
>This seems to be a rationalized version of Marduk's defeat of Tiamat in the Enuma Elish
So the Jewish creation of the world is connected with the emergence of civilization in Mesopotamia. The Tigris and Euphrates are the two rivers with which EL was associated.

>>18073130
We must build on Jewish lore

The Egyptians said that the world is much older
>Augustine of Hippo's The City of God contains two chapters indicating a debate between Christians and pagans over human origins: Book XII, chapter 10 is titled Of the falseness of the history that the world hath continued many thousand years and the title of book XVIII, chapter 40 is The Egyptians' abominable lyings, to claim their wisdom the age of 100,000 years. These titles tend to indicate that Augustine saw pagan ideas concerning both the history of the world and the chronology of the human race as incompatible with the Genesis creation narrative. Augustine's explanation aligned with most rabbis, and with the church fathers, who generally dismissed views on the antiquity of the world as "myths and fables", whereas Jewish and Christian claims were based on "revealed truth"
And Christians didn't like it.

Specifically, the dating of the creation of the world according to Judaism corresponds to the emergence of civilization in I1 in 1. The creation of the world = civilization. Christians can believe this however they want; they didn't accept pagan texts, lost the tradition, and it's unclear how they believed it—a complete mess. Christianity even lost the tradition that all the first humans were twins, while Islam and Judaism retained it.
>Egyptian Ennead (all gods are twins)
>Osiris and Seth are Cain and Abel
OOOOPS

>>18073105 (OP)
When will the Atlanteans Nordics come rescue us and put us on a golden age timeline instead of this Thoth confused myths?

>>18073193
Atlanteans Nordics
>As he was looking at the Ho [Yellow River], a tall man, with a white face(sic!) and fish's body, came out and said, 'I am the spirit of the Ho.' He then called Yu, and said, 'Wan-ming [Yu] shall regulate the waters.' Having so spoken, he gave Yu a chart of the Ho, containing all about the regulating of the waters; and returned into the deep

Nordics don't exist. These snake people, who have been given various names, were often described as having fair skin and red or blond hair.

Perhaps the whites are hybrids.

>>18073150
>The Egyptians' abominable lyings, to claim their wisdom the age of 100,000 years
They were wrong that they had wisdom of a period over 100,000 years but the christians are also wrong about humanity being younger than 10,000 years.

>>18073105 (OP)
>The Greeks, by their nature
Out of all the ancient peoples you have listed, you managed to pin all the blame on the only one of two groups that put in a decent effort. Greeks and Egyptians held that civilizations were actually several thousands of years old at least, some over tens of thousands. Greeks actually had a round world whereas Semites are the only group that thought the world was flat.

That bit about Venus is badly misinterpreted on your part.

>>18073150
>The creation of the world = civilization.
This might be the boldest retcon I have ever seen. They explicitly did not interpret it this way, and placed civilization at 4k years back.

>>18073207
Everyone has done myth-distorting, but the Greeks were the most successful. Read Philo of Byblos, "Phoenician History" (though Sanchuniathon may have been a bit too realistic, too. Clearly, these weren't mere humans, but they weren't exactly gods either).

>That bit about Venus is badly misinterpreted on your part.
You can literally Google Derketo or ask AI. The Greeks greatly distorted the myth, but the original clearly speaks of a giant egg and its descent into the Euphrates; there's no need to interpret it.

>>18073150
>Osiris and Seth are Cain and Abel
The consonance of the Egyptian Seth with the biblical Seth is not a coincidence. Perhaps the Jews distorted something, because it is highly suspicious that Cain and the biblical Seth had children with similar names. It is highly suspicious, downright unbelievable.

The Egyptian Ennead - pre-flood characters.
The Ogdoad - post-flood characters (there are also eight of them, like those saved in the ark).

>>18073231
>Everyone has done myth-distorting
Be specific in your claims. I've read Philo. Pretty sure I'm the one that told you about the Sanchuniathon because I kept calling it "The Sanchuniathon" and you, or someone that has your talking points, spazzed out that I included the definite article in the title.

Ultimately you're pointing to one single author and it's not clear whether you are disputing the facts or the interpretation. It would be like if I pulled a random quote from a random sefer and used that to explain all of rabbinicalism and classical judaism in a singular stroke. You're doing even worse then that because you're asking me to find a problem for you instead of listing out what your issue is.

>but the original clearly speaks of a giant egg
The egg thing is widespread and I do not believe you even know how to interpret it.

>>18073199
So why didn't these fair skinned cosmic egg Sky Gods give an Ancient Civilization to their white hybrid children and let them live under swamps and shithole mutt mounts in the cold weather?

>>18073243
>The egg thing is widespread and I do not believe you even know how to interpret it.
>Mesopotamian gods who bore the Sumerian epithet Ushumgal "great serpent" or "dragon": An/Anu, Ningishzida/Gishzida, Dumuzi/Tammuz, Inanna/Ishtar, Enlil/Ellil, Enki/Ea and Marduk/Merodach
There's no point in interpreting myths too globally, like giant dragons, monsters, and so on, but there's also no point in discussing them too mundanely. Have you noticed that in the Bible, angels and God are clearly anthropomorphic? Angels could at some point prove they are angels by revealing their true colors (what are they? The Bible is silent).

It's also clear that the theory about ancient aliens is not a theory at all.
It's worth noting that the Titanomachy and Gigantomachy occurred before humans and were literally described as a struggle for space, so it doesn't concern Earth at all.

They flew here and gave a confusing story mixed up which concerns both them and people

>>18073251
Actually, there was a joke about hybrids (even though they mixed with people)

>>18073105 (OP)
TL;DR?

>>18073288
Are you saying Jesus isn't a hybrid? If he isn't, Who is his father?

>>18073289
>According to Abrahamism, the world is 6,000 years old
>Civilization in Mesopotamia and India arose 6,000 years ago
>The Sumerians wrote that the gods came from the heavens and taught people how to sow and reap, and gave them pickaxes, plows, etc.
>biblical characters have no relation to ordinary people

>>18073105 (OP)
>and India
>saaaaaaar we wuz sivylizayshun saaar
How many working toilets per capita again?

>>18073243
>interpret it
The Sanchuniathon
>Thoth (Hermes-Mercury) introduced the worship of snakes and dragons.
I know it also mentions a connection with the sun and so on, but that's all nonsense. As is well known, these gods (Watchers) liked to identify themselves with planets and constellations, as well as reuse the names of ancient gods to confuse people even more.

The snake cult is the most ancient and did not arise out of nowhere.
>Intelligent snakes are the most frequently mentioned creatures in religions, myths, fairy tales, and legends.

>>18073325
Most likely he is a hybrid

By the way, they still need people to worship them. Until I figure this out, it's already in the realm of Gnosticism, but it's extremely important to them that people worship them. Jesus, like many others, threatened hell, others threatened plague (and could even send one) if people didn't revere them

It's unclear what benefits they gain from this (obviously loosh).

>>18073333
>A book titled Nabatean Agriculture, written or translated by Ibn Wahshiyya in 904, collated texts about the activities and beliefs of Arabic groups such as the Nabataeans, in defense of Babylonian culture against Islam. The book discussed the ideas that people lived before Adam, that he had parents, and that he came from India. It proposed that Adam was the father of an agricultural civilization, rather than the father of the entire human race
>"They deem Adam to have been an individual born of male and female like any other human individuals, but they glorify him and say that he was a prophet, the envoy of the moon, who called people to worship the moon. and there are compilations of his on how to cultivate the soil." He noted the claim that Adam came from India, and went on to Babylon.

> I am indebted for this information to my late friend, Mr. John Hookham Frere, friend of Canning and British Envoy at Madrid, a man justly famous for sense of humor (like Aristophanes and Foote). He was told by a credible Maltese scholar that the Maltese, when speaking openly about religious matters, used to say as follows: "Everybody knows Adam was the First Man; but we alone know that he possessed fishing-boats.” This can only be a Phoenician memory.

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9492

https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9066

>>18073262
>There's no point in interpreting myths too globally
This is a vacuous platitude with zero merit. The whole reason I posted Fuxi is because he's clearly, and I do mean clearly, related to Phanes. Old world trade lanes existed, therefore ideas were passed around. Of course if you're possessed by the insane judaic view that civilizations are only a few thousand years old and the world is barely older than that would be precluded.

>Have you noticed that in the Bible, angels and God are clearly anthropomorphic
Half the time they're not. They don't marry. They look like flying wheels with eye sockets. Most of the time they're left up to interpretation even with dialogue.

>what are they? The Bible is silent
Contradictory. The Bible is contradictory. In Genesis, the lord of the garden of Eden is talking as if he's among other Gods.

>Titanomachy and Gigantomachy
See this is where you fudge it up. Greek lore is built on symbols and metaphor. Giants, titans, and Gods are all things that exist in creation as forces or parts of the universe. Giants are the most primordial elements, titans followed, Gods represent things that came about after Earth was made habitable and tamed.

>>18073343
>Thoth (Hermes-Mercury)
That's an Egyptian figure that the Greeks are trying to pin down. It's pretty clear in Herodotus that the Egyptians had trouble lining up their deities with the Greeks, as was the case when they claimed their Herakles was several thousands of years older than the Greek Herakles.

>>18073356
Phanes is the peak of schizophrenia that the priests of the mysteries reached.

Fucking Toth

boards.4chan.org/x/thread/41230512

>>18073356
>Half the time they're not. They don't marry.
>Fallen angels lusted after women (requiring genitals)
>Give birth to reptilian hybrids
yeah right

Sometimes intelligent snakes are just intelligent snakes.

Note that Phanes and other such bastards don't answer to anything, just like Logos. Pure empty talk, sophistry, endless wanking in a circle. Just shit

> Topiltzin would later discover his identity as Quetzalcoatl and that he was sent to help the Toltec civilization. This version is similar to the Codex Chimalpopoca, that indicated, "...Quetzalcoatl was placed in her belly when she swallowed a piece of jade."


The people around Baal Hermon were devoted to snake worship and were subsequently called Hivites, from Hivia, "serpent." Ancient authors say that there were many Baltória (Beth-el, the house of God) on Hermon and Mount Lebanon...
>Fallen angels make a pact on Mount Hermon. Among the pagans, it was a place of oaths; there are remains of temples and hints of fallen remains there.
>Anunnaki were associated with Hermon in Sumero-Akkadian mythology.
>The Phoenicians considered the mountains in Lebanon divine.
>Philo's Phoenician History states that Thoth-Hermes-Mercury founded the mysteries, confused myths (symbols, allegories, parables, signs—Mercury introduced this tradition, the same practice is practiced by Freemasons) and history, and introduced the worship of snakes and dragons, calling them benevolent deities and rulers of the universe.
>Osiris and Dionysus were depicted as horned serpents in the mysteries
http://www.bibleorigins.net/Pre-biblicalOriginsofEdensSerpentinMesopotamianMyths.html
http://www.bibleorigins.net/SerpentNingishzidaBibliography.html

>>18073105 (OP)
All false. India has never produced any civilization btw.

Maybe mythology is all a connected history of alien reptilians interacting with the world

>>18073828
Mythology is a mixture. Gods, natural phenomena, planets, deified figures—it's all mixed together. Priests followed the precepts of Thoth-Mercury. The priests did a good job.

Nevertheless, there is a certain force,
and perhaps it poses as gods.

>Cecrops (legendary founder of Athens)
>Dagon (Sumerian god)
>nagas (wise inhabitants of the underground realms)
>Fuxi and Nuwa (legendary progenitors of mankind)
What's up with cultures from Greece to China having stories of mythical wise half-men half-snakes?

>>18073862
boards.4chan.org/x/thread/41230512

There are details here, but the thread is chaotic.

OP's post can be ignored.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake-Legged_Goddess
(Innana/Derketo etc/ Husband Heracles. again. He was everywhere and hid behind many names>snakes with ram horns. He is also Baal/Melqart Boaz and Jachin = Pillars of Hercules

https://balkancelts.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/cernunnos-and-the-ram-headed-serpent/
= Kronus/Cronos
(really)

>>18073862
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nommo

he Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. After arriving, the Nommos created a reservoir of water and subsequently dived into the water. The Dogon legends state that the Nommos required a watery environment in which to live
>Nommo appearance varies, but is commonly depicted as a being with a humanoid upper torso and a fish-like lower torso and tail. In some representations, they have a catfish-like head and a massive, grotesque humanoid torso, red eyes They are ancestral spirits of the Dogon people of Mali.

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