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Anonymous No.18073617 >>18073626 >>18073672 >>18074163 >>18074167 >>18074995 >>18075189 >>18075263 >>18075281 >>18075285 >>18075291 >>18076926
Were native americans doomed from the start? Even if european colonization had never happened. Someone from the old world discover the americas at some point and even limited contact would've caused them to be infected by disease which they had no resistance to so unless they somehow managed to remain isolated for the rest of eternity their fate was inevitable.
Anonymous No.18073626
>>18073617 (OP)
The smallpox crap is fake.
Anonymous No.18073631
Basically everything in biology, the smallpox crap, aids, vax, all that is complete bullshit and all of you are tards and promote all of them daily.
Anonymous No.18073646 >>18076987
The Aztecs were 100,000 square miles. At a decent density that's 2 million people. Simple explanation is that 2 million was always there.
All of the massive numbers in your chart are a set of backwards extrapolate of assumed death rate. Even if those death rates are correct scientists are retarded. It's possible a disease can kill 90% of people but that falls on the 90% who don't reproduce or die anyway so population only falls 10%.
Basically everything in these population graphs is a troll extrapolation and even extreme death rates are compatible with no change if they fall on NPCs.
Anonymous No.18073672 >>18073774 >>18073920
>>18073617 (OP)
Why didn't the natives carry diseases that the Conquistadors weren't immune against?
Anonymous No.18073774 >>18073920 >>18075280
>>18073672
What do you think syphilis is?
Anonymous No.18073920 >>18075263
>>18073672
>>18073774
Both of you are wrong. America had buffalo pox and lots of equivalent diseases. America had a wide range of diseases and since obviously the immigrating group would die more all of the smallpox crap is retarded and everything in ggs is retarded.
His is retarded so nothing will stop it's belief that six million died of smallpox.
Anonymous No.18074163
>>18073617 (OP)
huge death tolls only came after conflict and enslavement
don't buy the lies that Amazonian civilizations collapsed without ever having contact with Europeans, the Portuguese record killing 500k natives in the 1640s. Of course this number is an exaggeration but it represents the huge quantity of the people they met and the Amazon basin was still densely populated by the time the Portuguese got there
Anonymous No.18074167
>>18073617 (OP)
They hate white people so much bet if the Chinks or Muslims had found them first they’d think we were angels in comparison
Anonymous No.18074995 >>18077008
>>18073617 (OP)
no, because their decedents are still around. the "where did they go" is the fact that they're all larping as iberianiggers for some reason

>all the cool architecture
gone
>independent literary rhetorical and artistic traditions
gone, no continuation

They are now poor. Something about iberianiggers kicking them while they were down idk, but these things would have survived even apocalyptic levels of plague and disease. Things were not fated to be this way
Anonymous No.18075189
>>18073617 (OP)
>not posting the best article name ever
Anonymous No.18075263 >>18075279
>>18073617 (OP)
If the vikings weren't pussies and had expanded more into America the diseases could have spread there slowly and the Natives would have gained immunity by Columbus.

>>18073920
Why don't you die of buffalo pox then?
Anonymous No.18075279
>>18075263
no, because Vikings washed themselves
not like stinky Spaniards
Anonymous No.18075280
>>18073774
Fucking retard, it doesn't exist. Bet you think the world is round too.
Anonymous No.18075281
>>18073617 (OP)
the plagues was unleashed by aliens
Anonymous No.18075285
>>18073617 (OP)
>Were native americans doomed from the start?
I guess
Anonymous No.18075291
>>18073617 (OP)
*sigh*.... so sad to see people gobbling up the fake history they teach us in school
Anonymous No.18076765
I think it was baked in when old world livestock were brought over ensuring eventual contact with their diseases
Anonymous No.18076926 >>18076987
>>18073617 (OP)
How reliable is this data?
Anonymous No.18076987 >>18077031
The death rate from Eurasian diseases were exacerbated by the political instability and disruption caused by Spanish conquests and colonial efforts, see:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110519091637.htm

If you had pathogen exchange, but slower and over a longer period of time without the warfare and colonization to go with it, it would give more time for resistances to build without as steep a population collapse. But how much a difference that would make, we don't know

>>18073646
There's pretty much no reasonable estimate by which the Aztec Empire only had 2 million people, that would mean Mesoamerica as a whole only had like 6-8 millionish people, no Mesoamericanist within like the last 70 years had taken estimates that low seriously. The Aztec Empire probably had like 4-8 million people, and while 10, 12 etc million is unlikely for them, it's way more likely then 2-3 million would be

>>18076926
It's a higher end estimate, and it misunderstands how "Mexico" is defined in the sources it's going off of with Borah, Cook, etc, but it's not an unreasonable one (EX: a recent paper estimated that Classic Maya civilization had 16m people in just a portion of it, not even all Mayas total or all of Mesoamerica at the time)

A safer bet would be like 16-18 million people at contact, but 22m is still plausible.
Anonymous No.18077008
>>18074995
we wuz advanced civilizations n shieet.
Anonymous No.18077031
>>18076987
The disease deaths are obviously compeltley fake and never occurred.