Thread 18076671

All having sex made me do in the long run is make me want to masturbate more - as I became more lustful and I couldn't have sex more than once or twice every month. Therefore, it seems improbable that one is natural and that the other is unnatural, or that by partaking in one it hurts the ability to partake in the other. Rather, it seems that they are both tied to the same biological processes and are very similar to each other, biologically, ethically, and morally.

Sex is a biological drive for procreation and bonding. Fapping is just hijacking that system for a cheap dopamine hit. You fried your dopamine receptors with porn and deathgrip, so now the real thing doesn't satisfy you. That's a you problem, not proof that they're the same.

>>18076671 (OP)
The argument on whether it is "natural" or "unnatural" is actually rooted in ancient philosophical discussions of teleology, but because we are all retarded nowadays people think that natural just refers to things occurring within created nature.
I agree with you though, fapping is not unethical in any sense, but it can become addictive and harmful for certain people, which is disadvantageous rather than unethical.
>>18076697
The hijacking of that drive is also "natural" to biology. Animals also masturbate.

>>18076786
>Animals also masturbate.
Apes in their natural habitat and with their (non-sexual) needs met almost never do. Mostly only in captivity. It's not natural in any sense unless you draw comparisons to some wanking species of squirrels.

>>18076697
No the real thing very much does satisfy me. It feels somewhat better than masturbation. What projection are you doing?

>>18076867
They are in essence very similar and derive from the same things, even if one feels better. Also that's not an argument for morality at all.

>>18076867
>It feels somewhat better than masturbation.
Was it with a hooker or something? It should feel like a radically different experience. Barely even comparable.

>>18076938
Girlfriends. It felt about 3x better.

>>18076942
Were you fapping a lot too at the time...? I feel 100% different having an orgasm with someone I love afterwards than I do fapping, it's an entirely different universe

>>18076948
No I didn't masturbate because I was paranoid of it somehow inhibiting me having sex. In reality, it didn't lead to a difference and if anything caused me to last a bit longer in the bedroom when I wasn't blueballing myself beforehand.