Thread 18077576

Still hasn't been disproven
>B-but some Italian guy reproduced it!
Nope, certain aspects of it can be replicated, but we still aren't sure exactly how, nobody has been able to replicate every single aspect
>B-but the carbon dating!
Part of a restored piece. We literally have records of the shroud dating to before the range of the carbon dating, not to mention x-ray dating proving it's from the first century
Reminder that if you believe it's a forgery, you need to assume
>The forger somehow knew that in crucifixion, the wrists were nailed instead of the hands, despite all Christian art showing Jesus' hands being nailed
>Used the real blood of someone under insane stress/torture
>Knew what a negative image was
>Used a special technique that was only used on this single art piece and nothing else in history
>Knew what first century Roman coins from judea looked like
>Was able to harness enough energy to power a stadium to apply the image
>Knew enough about crucifixion to position the thumbs in a way that you'd see if your wrists and ulnar nerves were nailed

>>18077576 (OP)
And these records, what do they say about it?

>>18077576 (OP)
>Roman coins
Huh? Where are Roman coins on the shroud?

>>18077576 (OP)
apply paint to your face and cover yourself with a white sheet. will the face on the sheet appear perspectively the same as if it was drawn on a flat surface or have distorted proportions? if the former, then you're simply retarded

>>18077952
Wow, it's almost like the shroud isn't painted

I'll convert to your scam if the shroud starts levitating like it's described in the historical record.

>>18077586
>no answer

>>18078088
was it not overlaid over a face and superimposed over the cloth by divine whatever? did it float flat above jesus right before it happened?

>>18077576 (OP)
Why did the nailed kike had long hair? Obvious tranny is obvious

>>18078088
Face masks (the skincare types) have wide distorted features that look freakish. That's because they conform to the curvature of a human head and face, and fit perfectly when applied.
The purported shroud has the reverse problem. The features would have been distorted like skincare masks if it were in fact wrapped around someone's head.

>>18077576 (OP)
Shit, I forgot to add "cruxifiction" to my filters. Anyway, take this stuff to /sci/ or /x/.

>>18077576 (OP)
Hard to disprove it when the vatican wont let anyone who isn't a dyed in the wool catholic anywhere near it after the carbon dating fiasco
>i-it was a restored part
Wow how convenient for the vatican, weird how they wont let anyone test a supposedly nonrestored part.

>>18077576 (OP)
>>The forger somehow knew that in crucifixion, the wrists were nailed instead of the hands,
Wow, they knew more about crucifixion than the apostle Thomas right after Jesus had been crucified!
>But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger in the mark of the nails and my hand in his side, I will not believe.”

>>18078797
Gonna let you in on a secret [spoiler]the entire shroud is a medieval invisible repair job[/spoiler]

>>18078827
This is a translation thing. The Greek word for "hand" includes the forearms

>>18077576 (OP)
What about the claim that the proportions are off? I've never seen a Shroud apologist address this. https://infidels.org/kiosk/article/the-shroud-of-turin-the-great-gothic-art-fraud-because-if-its-real-the-brain-of-jesus-was-the-size-of-a-protohumans/

>>18080508
>infidels.org

seems some fucker wants me to post this image again. in before awning of turin. the body was WRAPPED in it, according to some unreliable text.

>>18080678
i don't understand, how does this argument alone not destroy any notion of authenticity of the shroud. is the church purposefully being retarded and asking everyone else to be retarded on this?

>>18080688
The church is actually quite squeamish when it comes to the shroud and it's authenticity.

>>18080688
Absolutely no one in the Church is saying the Shroud was formed by dipping Jesus in ink, then wrapping it around him.

>>18081829
so the shroud was floating flat above jesus while his image was imposed over it, correct?

>>18081946
the awning of turin, as I said >>18080678

>>18081946
The theory is that God made the image appear, you know, a miracle

>>18082426
God also made the shroud fly. Until he suddenly stopped making it fly for some reason. God also made the image fade, also for some reason.

>>18082470
Prove it

>>18082594
>But among the rest, there was also another of the minsters, which was called the Church of my Lady Saint Mary of Blachernae, within which was the shroud wherein Our Lord was wrapped. And on every Friday that shroud did raise itself upright, so that the form of Our Lord could clearly be seen. And none knows – neither Greek nor Frank – what became of that shroud when the city was taken.
>Robert di Clari's account of Constantinople during the Fourth Cruade

It's a 14th century forgery for tourist shekels.

The carbon dating was done by three separate labs and it's medieval. The restoration is a cope. It's a fucking pressed linen cloth, not a nuclear reactor. You don't need stadium energy, a heated statue would do it. The negative image is just a shitty, faint stain. The wrists vs hands and thumb memes are just pseudoscience. The image is so vague you can project whatever you want onto it. The blood is fucking paint. Burden of proof is on you tards and all you have is weak-ass may-mays and muh mysteries.

>>18082611
No response, of course.

>>18082426
this 'theory', is it known to all the sheep who peddle the image as a natural side effect of god knows what radiation that accompanied the resurrection? if god was in the mood of creating an image like this, why should it be the shroud?

>>18086495
It’s funny cuz god could have given us a VHS tape of everything that happened in the Bible (he’s god, duh), but instead we get a blurry sheet of cloth that just so happened to be discovered at a time where Catholic forgeries were all the rage.

Wow, thanks for the awesome evidence, god, but I just think an omniscient being could come up with a better idea.

Btw, like 5 different people claim to have Jesus’s foreskin.

>>18086528
not to mention we have it on good authority (read: internet'd christians) that god does not give us signs because either 1) he does not want to interfere with our free will, or 2) we would reject it. so why does he go then and give a sign (although the shroud is the jesus-on-a-toast of the middle ages.

>>18086528
>like 5 different people claim to have Jesus’s foreskin
pretty bold, seeing how not even jesus himself has it anymore.

guys, I want to hear more about the roman coins. will I ever?

>>18077576 (OP)
>>18080678

Take a piece of cloth cover a volunteer's face all the way back to covering ears, trace face and ears with charcoal marker, then take cloth off volunteer's face and lay down flat,

Nope, shroud of Turin is obviously a midwit's fake/fraud

>>18086954
botpost or total misfire?