Thread 18082639

Muslims have tried to cope with their prophet having a gay orgy with the men of al-Zutt, I will debunk their arguments
>hurr durr they were djinn
Nowhere in the text does it say they were Djinn, it only refers to them as “al-Zutt”, whom were Indians that lived in Arabia at the time.
>hurr durr they were crowding around him
Nope. “Riden” is a translation of the word Yarkab which literally means ride, and can be used in a sexual context. “Crowding around” is a more obscure usage of the word. Even if the Hadith was about the Zutt following him around, the imagery still would be hilarious as fuck since they were naked.
>hurr durr weak Hadith
It was narrated by one of the most trusted reciters of the Quran, Ibn Masud, and scholars agree it’s real because no way someone would make up a story so embarrassing. It doesn’t matter if you personally think it’s “weak”, the fact is that SOMEONE decided to write it and it wasn’t among the Hadiths burnt for lying, therefore proving that this Hadith is valid.

>>18082639 (OP)
It's hilarious to me that some of them in all seriousness try to convince people bringing this up that AKSHULLY muhammad just casually went out in the middle of the night to """"preach"""" among naked niggers in the middle of the desert and they """"crowded"""" around him so much that lil moe was exhausted.
Like, really? That is your defence? Come on.

He was a zesty faggot, lil moe moe?

>>18082639 (OP)
Kek retard
It literally says right there “LOOKED LIKE zutt people” and ride is a mistranslation

>>18082679
many are saying this

>>18082639 (OP)
>Nowhere in the text does it say they were Djinn, it only refers to them as “al-Zutt”, whom were Indians that lived in Arabia at the time.

There’s no proof of Jinns existing anyways, but this was the interpretation of some scholars and Jinns are recorded to be able to change into appearing like humans.

>Nope. “Riden” is a translation of the word Yarkab which literally means ride, and can be used in a sexual context.

يركب meaning sexual is the obscure meaning, but it’s never used like that in classical Islamic times. It was literally never used sexually.
Qurtubi says:

هم الجنّ حين ٱستمعوا القرآن من النبيّ صلى الله عليه وسلم. أي كاد يركب بعضهم بعضاً ٱزدحاماً

“They are the Jinn when they listened to the Qur’an from the Prophet. Meaning they almost fell upon one another in crowding.”

Tabarsi said:

أي كاد الجن يركب بعضهم بعضاً يزدحمون عليه حرصاً منهم على استماع القرآن

“Meanig the Jinn almost mounted one another crowding upon him in their eagerness to hear the Qur’an.”

>It was narrated by one of the most trusted reciters of the Quran, Ibn Masud, and scholars agree it’s real because no way someone would make up a story so

Abdullah ibn Masud is only one person in the chain and why would Muhammad bring Abdullah to do this event? Wouldn’t this proof Muhammad is going against his own beliefs??? This literally no sense. This hadith comes from Abdullah ibn Abd al-Quddus, who is accused of lying and fabrication.

And I’m mostly agnostic btw but this is not a good criticism of Islam

>>18082774
>It was literally never used sexually.
Don't you ever get tired of lying you brown scumbag?
>“A woman may be compared to a cow, horse, or camel—for all are ridden": تفسير القرطبي الجامع لأحكام القرآن
Tafsir al-Qurtubi - a quran scholar
>but this was the interpretation of some scholars and Jinns are recorded to be able to change into appearing like humans.
Too bad nobody ever wrote anything about jinns shapeshifting into al-zutt in 'classical islam times' or prior to that loool

Muslims are fags who are also inbred and suck nigger pecker

>>18082807
Thanks for this anon. It’s important to illustrate the deception involved in how the prophet Muhammad, (pbuh) enjoyed interracial homosexual orgies. It’s very clear the Hadith corroborates this as written and that the prophet (pbuh) enjoyed being sodomized by Indians. Or, at least was sodomized by Indians. Perhaps he (pbuh) also preformed fellatio in spreading the word of the Quran. While I have not seen any direct evidence of his (pbuh) preforming anilingus during these orgies, I am not willing to discount the likelihood that the prophet (pbuh) tossed curry salad.

he was making a move, they had to get it on

Weak hadith isn't about "personal opinion". It is about chain of narration (isnad) being broken or unreliable. This one's chain is contested by scholars. "Yarkab" used for riding an animal is the primary meaning. You are the one forcing a sexual interpretation because you are a coomer brainlet. The "riding = sex" metaphor exists in English too, doesn't mean every use of "ride" is about fucking. The "most trusted" narrator point is midwit cope. a single strong narrator doesn't make the whole chain sahih if others in it are weak or unknown. The "they wouldn't make up something embarrassing" argument is retarded. fabrications were made by sects to discredit each other all the time. embarrassing hadith are the easiest to plant for exactly this reason. Allah will not tolerant the slander. Muhammed was never raped. You will be punished for this. You have blamed the prophet and Allah will not forgive you. He will turn you into a lizard.