Thread 18083067

This is a follow up thread to the one that the jannies shut down. One of the anons basically just spat the same revisionist talking points I criticized, basing the prevalence of hunter-gatherers in Sub-Saharan africa on MODERN HUNTER-GATHERER groups in twenty twenty fucking five which is really ignorant and illogical thousands of african ethnic groups were either absorbed or wiped out in the later 19th and 20th century. You leftists revisionists do this brainlessly without even using basic logic.
Pic related are the Chabu people in the southern Ethiopian highlands, it is extremely likely that they were entirely stone aged people because of isolation in the 19th century, they were also traditionally hunter-gatherers, they lived in mountainous rainforests completely cut off from even the primitive Nilotic peoples of the region. They also speak a language isolate.

I can also provide hundreds of photos of average 19th century africans not Mohammedan wannabees, average africans without external influence. Real africans that got around almost completely naked or actually naked, wearing animal skins and using stone technology.
The left and afro-centrists are professional liars and cherry pickers.

>Why make up so much bullshit?
Bullshit hey? ok I'll show you evidence leftoid

>Bullshit hey? ok I'll show you evidence leftoid
There are thousands of firsthand accounts of cannibalism in precolonial Africa even colonial Africa and modern Africa for instance.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/aug/17/congo.theobserver
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemba_ambush
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/torture-murder-and-cannibalism-how-two-un-men-died-in-congo-107114.html
https://manchesterhistorian.com/2015/liberian-civil-war-cannibalism/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindu_atrocity

I told him that people at home generally believed that these [accounts of cannibalism] were only ‘travellers’ tales,’ as they are called in our country, or,
in other words, lies. He then said something to an Arab called Ali,
seated next him, who turned round to me and said, ‘Give me a bit of cloth, and see.’
I sent my boy for six handkerchiefs, thinking it was all a joke,
and that they were not in earnest, but presently a man appeared,
leading a young girl of about ten years old by the hand,
and I then witnessed the most horribly sickening sight I am ever likely to see in my life.
He plunged a knife quickly into her breast twice, and she fell on her face, turning over on her side.
Three men then ran forward and began to cut up the body of the girl;
finally her head was cut off, and not a particle remained,
each man taking his piece away down to the river to wash it.
The most extraordinary thing was that the girl never uttered a sound,
nor struggled, until she fell.

>>18083067 (OP)
this one looks ready to do some cultural enrichment

Nakedness was the norm in africa despite what revisionists and leftist liars would have you believe.

>>18083090
Honestly these primitive hunter gatherer groups were actually usually the ones that weren't violent and preferred to flee when there was a confrontation. Take the pygmy genocide for instance, they don't even fight back against the bantus.
An atrocitiy the left and afro-centrists try to burry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effacer_le_tableau

>>18083091
If an African wasn't naked they would wear a basic loincloth

>>18083096
Also nakedness was also extremely common in west africa(the supposed civilized part of africa)

Stone technology was just as prevelanty as metal in pre-colonial africa. Most africans hadn't even invented a hammer, the simplest of technology, they were still using hammering stones, a technology used by primitive hominids.

Stone tools used by the zulu

Stone tools used by Khoikhoi in South Africa. there's plenty of evidence that some of the San and Khoikhoi peoples lack metal technology all together especially in more isolated regions.

The people of the island of Bioko were an entirely stone age people only being introduced to metal when the Spanish arrived many of the Bube were still entirely stone age up until the late 19th century.

>>18083117
Their spears were basically aboriginal tier.

>>18083122
And it wasn't just the Bube who made such primitive spear. Picrel is from the Ivory Coast.

Some pygmy tribes also lacked bow and arrows using strictly spears and nets instead This would make them technologically equivalent to aboriginals as some of these groups may have lacked metal all together if they had no contact with bantus picrel. Not to mention that fact that bows and arrows were largely absent in southern Africa among Bantu groups even in the kingdom of Benin you've be hard pressed to find a bow.

Plenty of africans made clubs out of the bones of large animals yabaddabadoo!!!

if we now move to the nilotic people of East africa things get very very primitive. Nilotic peoples were only quasi metal aged, they made use of a whole myriad of stone age technologies.

>>18083067 (OP)
We have thousands of first hand pics, drawings, films and written testimonials of natives during first contact in Australia, Africa and the New World. It's ackctually really cool reading them and watching as close as we can get to Ancient History on film.

>>18083145
I'm painting a true and and realistic picture of what precolonial africa looked like. It was not a bunch of towelheads riding around looking all sophisticated, this is false and a revisionist lie using cherry picking. Areas outside of extensive arabization looked no different to precolonial Australia this is a FACT!!

>>18083067 (OP)
First encounter records from the Spanish in the New World are insane. Not only are there all sorts of Stone Age folks ranging from thriving to starvation level subsistence, but the efforts and events the Spanish went to get there and back again were unreal. If you made a movie of it, no one would believe it.

Check out journals of Juan Ponce de Leon, Hernando de Soto and Panfilo Narvaez. Really cool stuff.

>>18083151
A shield made from a turtle shell

>>18083154
The funny thing is revisionists will have you believe large parts of west africa were civilized does this look like civilization to you? people with kwashiorkor and hernias, people on the brick of starvation lol. And these women are literally of the Edo tribe, the "great" benin "civillisation" with the mud favela in the jungle.

>>18083158
Whether its racist or not the truth matters.

>>18083067 (OP)
The IRL Dr. Livingston's travel diaries are brutal, but very well written in perfect high Victorian English.

He was an unironic Christian and softie that really did try his best to help as many folks as possible, but on EVERY page it's just constant Arabs marching black slaves around who were purchased from other black slaves who also had black slave. Although, some times they would just decide to stop working, like a mule and wonder off into the Bush. LOL!

At other times they're litearlly butchering each other, especially the young girls and womenfolk, for various "reasons" and magical superstitions. There are many villages where dead bodies are strooned all over on pikes and racks, while folks just go about their business of scraping rocks out of the dirt.

One of the most horrific parts is when some of the menfolk decide to literally butcher one of the adolescent girls, again for "reasons", so they tie her to a tree and slowly dismember her with dull, metal knives. Now, the scariest part of all was that she was so resigned to a life of abject hell and suffering, without the faintest sliver of hope, that she never made a single sound for the entire 10-15 it took them to cut her apart, saving her head for last of course, but dats dus dhey culture doh!

Of course, black africans selling other black africans to Arabs is still alive and well and has never stopped in most places. In fact, when the British attempted to do so, it was the local african leaders that demanded it stay legal b/c it's dhey culture and biggest source of income. They genuinely don't even think it's odd, or bad, or wrong in any way. It's just the way life has always been, no different than buying and selling a chicken to them.

Now i will show you how similar africans were to aboriginals. in these images one of the weapons is aboriginal and the other is African. Guess which one is which. I'll provide sources to everything I've posted as well if you think I'm being dishonest.

>>18083172
Yes who notes that cannibalism, human sacrifice, brutal tribal warfare and slavery were all completely normal.

>>18083174
Can you guess which is which?

>>18083094
There are films on Pygmys from the 1930s on YT and they're still happy, healthy and isolated for the most part, but now it's just beyond grimdark levels of cultural suicide and "Multiculturalism" coming to their door. It's heartbreaking and it's an entirely african phenomenon.

The Greeks and Egyptians greatly admired pygmys, whose name means "elbow high", but it's their neighbors that enslave and kill them for "reasons".

Interestingly, pygmys are famous elephant hunters, and use little bows with poisoned tip "arrows"(sharp sticks, really) then track the poor beast down relentlessly for days, then butcher it and hike out the choice meat and ivory for trade.

>>18083183
Again, I have sources for everything in this thread ask away.

>>18083122
that's less than Neanderthal tier, in fact.

>>18083158
The Ancient Japanese/early Samurai would make extremely beautiful shields out of turtle shells too, although I think they were mostly decorative.

>>18083184
Pygmies are remarkable little people, the way such a tiny little man by himself could kill a mighty elephant like this. Or how they built these incredible primitive suspension bridges.
I have far more admiration for these little guys then I have for the savage bantoids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFq5wQurqwk
Bantus could only hunt elephants in groups sort of how they beat people in packs in america kek.

>>18083163
Lots of the black kids I went to school with here in the Deep South of the US would have these hernias too.

The Livingston Journals layout the basic scheme wherein the Arabs basically placed orders for so many slaves of a certain type, then one group of africans would go snatch another group and try to get them to the Arabs before the captives escaped, died, or were stolen by still another group of africans working on behalf of Arabs.

All the locals wanted were metal tools and weapons, so the Arabs would just give them lots of cheap, pot metal trinkets in exchange for dozens of blacks.

there was almost never any notion of rescue, revolt or resistance. they would just accept it, like "LOL! You got me. I guess it's just my time to go die horribly as a slave. LOL!" The same way a gazelle stops resisting once it's in the lion's jaws and accepts its Fate.

>>18083195
Even west africans used turtle shields.

>>18083169
The Egyptians had croc armor too, and we still use gator skin for lots of leather goods today. Once hardened, "boiled leather" can become incredibly tough, especially from a big ol' gnarly croc.

Would ware.

>>18083203
the funny thing about alot of these "arabs" they were actually black themselves from the Swahili coast. Tipu Tip was actually one of the worst slave traders in history, he's responsible for the deaths of thousands and he was black or at least a mullato arab. He was also racist regarding pure blacks as animals who deserved to be enslaved and slaughtered.

>>18083209
I'm just pointing out that Nilotic peoples were only quasi-metal age relying on a lot of natural materials for weapons and tools.

>>18083174
Ironically, Abos broke off from Africans waaaaay, waaaaay back. They and other "blacks" from around the South Pacific, like the Andamanese, Papuans, Melanesians, etc.....are much more "Ancient" and unmixed than many other groups in SSA.

One of the weirdest mysteries in all of """anthropology""" is how/why Abos seemingly went due East non-stop from East Africa all the way to Oz and down to Tasmania, in effectively a straight line and in very short order, then never moved, mixed or evolved again. Very strange. We're missing something major along the way.

>>18083223
Nilotic peoples were also primitive as fuck very rarely having any kind of clothing if they did it was simple bark cloth or skins.

>>18083224
>One of the weirdest mysteries in all of """anthropology""" is how/why Abos seemingly went due East non-stop from East Africa all the way to Oz and down to Tasmania, in effectively a straight line and in very short order, then never moved, mixed or evolved again. Very strange. We're missing something major along the way.
It's because of a Landbridge that only existed temporarily, once the sea levels rose again abos were trapped in Australia and they didn't have any kind of sea going watercraft so they never left.

>>18083201
Like the Abos, they broke off very early in the human lineage and just remained isolated ever since, but don't seem to have any of the innate, incest-grade retardation you see in some other isolated groups.

There are also several groups of pygmys who have been isolated from each other for tens of thousands of years, so they're almost like multiple breeds/races of pygmys among the pygmys themselves. apparently, they had no real knowledge or contact of each other prior to the Modern Era either.

They're true Forestfolk that would rather diapper into the shade and trees than have an outright battle on a wide open field, as we can see in old films of Papuans who would have EPIC! spear/stick battles in the valleys of their mountains. They're mostly ritualistic and almost no one dies, just a few minor injuries for the most part.

Now I will show you just how brutal Africa was. it was quite literally a hellish place even in the so called civilized arabized regions brutal slavery existed that killed millions.

>>18083223
>Nilotic peoples
which ones?
>only quasi-metal age relying on a lot of natural materials for weapons and tools.
They still made use of iron tools and weapons alongside having specific occupations/or niches for it.

>>18083207
Sword & Buckler: Bantu edition.

Military Tech, above all else, converges on the same great ideas no matter of time, or place.

"Necessity is the Mother of Invention"

>>18083067 (OP)
Reminder this guy is a filipino hapa mutt who spams this shit all the time

>>18083239
Some pygmies may have been entirely stone aged up until the late 19th century just as some of the san were picrel. It's certain that certain baka groups didn't use bows but used spears and nets instead.

>>18083245
So how did he get triggered this time?

>>18083215
The self-loathing, "Uncle Tom" slaver is age old. Any of them that get a wee bit ahead of their fellows, must needs begin to look down upon them so as to reassure and differentiate themselves from the slaves, even though they look alike. They're trapped in the middle. They're not technically a slave, but they look like one, and that's all that matters outside of Africa.

>>18083226
....and yet they seemingly gave the Egyptians a run for their money on a regular basis, unless a "Nubian" was a more advanced Nilotic due to proximity effect. Ethiopians are famously badass warriors going back to Memnon in "The Iliad", despite being scrawny, as hell and 1/2 starved 99% of their lives.

>>18083243
>which ones?
Dinka, Nuer, Bari, Shilluk, Nuba even the Masai used alot of stone age technology

>>18083203
>"Arabs"
Euros called anyone who was a Muslim or didn't stereotypical fit their image of an African as "Arab"

>>18083254
Kenyan Bantus also utilized a lot of stone technology

>>18083254
https://web.prm.ox.ac.uk/southernsudan/details.php-a=1961.9.6&show=1961.9.6_b.jpg.html

Shilluk also had iron spear heads. You do know not every weapons uses the same material (or purpose) and different materials come with their own pros and cons?

>>18083233
Yes, but why due East so fast and so directly whilst passing by lots of seemingly good/better environments than Oz. It's like they had a homing beacon, or something. Once they got to Tasmania, they were so isolated that they became insanely inbred and dumber and dumber over time until they forgot fire, how to make babies consciously, clothes, shelter, just nothing. Again, we have journals of first contact, and they don't even act alarmed, or surprised to see magic, weird alien white people and their boats, they just sort of look up and go "oh, hey" then just keep grubbing around for food. They didn't fight, scream, yell nothing....

>>18083259
I know they but stone, wood and bone weapons and tools were very common because nilotes far more primitive compared to most africans.

>>18083264
Why are you this autistic about Nilotes, all to push some shitty line you keep fixating on?

>>18083262
When they depleted the resources of an area they would move on to a new area that's probably what caused them to migrate. Migrating east was probably because the land was empty so no competition with other humans.

>>18083241
Ah yes, there are the "Meat Racks". Now, the Euros did this to heretics and Aztecs did crazy shit too, but they also had amazing cultural achievements to offset the brutality and the chance that any one person would be the victim of the crazy was less than one in a million, while this stuff was just all day everyday and was barely even "shocking" to the locals who seemed ambivalent by it all.

Perhaps the craziest part is that there weren't really any real walls, fences, guards, etc....keeping anyone in these conditions. Most could just walk away at any time, if they really wanted to, but they didn't, nor did it ever really seem to occur to them that they could, or should.

>>18083269
it wasn't just Nilotes either stone technology was prevalent all over Africa. Picrel are west Africans from Nigeria.

>>18083241
Most of that pic was propaganda bunk pushed by certain British military officials just to make the war more appealing. More so since a lot of the stuff they said is legit lines ripped off from other talking points used to describe areas like Calabar.

>>18083272
Euros did this to criminals not completely innocent women and children.
Read this one these savages boiled children alive to predict the future. The negroid is inherently violent to the extreme anyone who isn't completely brainwashed knows this.

>>18083273
>stone technology was prevalent all over Africa
Are you just slapping words together at this point. A stone mortar is "stone technology" in your words.

>>18083281
Why do you care? Japan persecuted it's Christians?

>>18083247
One of the old films shows a really interestingly relationship between the Pygmys and a resident "Big Man"(normal sized black) responsible for making the poison on their arrows. That way the poison killed the animal, not the Pygmys themselves so their "karma" was clean, they also had a relationship with folks in the village down the road, that had a bit of contact with the outside world.

The villagers would place an "order" for ivory, elephant meat, and various other forest good, then go order the Pygmys, who lived under them in a sort of voluntary quasi-slavery, to go on the hunt. They would then supply them with iron weapons, which the Pygmys would then return at the end of the adventure in exchange for salt, sugar, more metal tools, etc.....

It seemed to work pretty well for the most part b/c the pygmys could always just disappear into the bush if the Bigfolk got too cunty.

>>18083254
The Royal Mace/sceptre is still used the world over. The Egyptians loved a good bonk on the head and there are many depictions of them smiting their foes thusly. Even Ivan the Terrible "brained" his own son to death.

>>18083257
What's better than a stone AND better than a stick???? ......a stone ON a stick! ;)

No different than the Irish shillelagh, really. Just a short stick with a hard lump on the end. BONK!

>>18083278
>we dindu nuffin we wuz good boyz
No one is buying it tyrone africa is still like this. You sacrifice albinos and blonde kids because their flesh has magically powers, it's completely reasonable to expect pre-colonial Africa to have been the same or far far worse.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/29/south-african-woman-kelly-smith-given-life-sentence-for-trafficking-six-year-old-daughter-joshlin-smith

General Butt Naked admitted to extracting the heart out of a fully conscious 6 year old girl and then eating it during the Liberian civil war. Africa is still a hellish nightmare of a place and you want us to believe this didn't happen in precolonial times kek.

>>18083264
I bet a giraffe bone is badass. They're big, light and strong af once dried out. Basically a horse on steroids, and the closet thing you could get to an aluminum baseball bat. Crude, but effective.

>>18083286
>Why do you care? Japan persecuted it's Christians?
because i don't want africans in my country, I don't want them in Europe. They are dangerous.

>>18083273
Stone milling is still done in the West, but we figured out "Mills" to do the milling for us. Stone milled grits are the jam.

>>18083295
A mace/warhammer made of iron maybe? but that was too advanced for them like I mentioned early they couldn't even invent a hammer, using stones in metal working instead.

>>18083297
Worse, they don't even kill the Albinos, they just hack off body parts for use in a given ritual, then they can go back and hack off another part as needed. Keeps it fresher that way, I suppose.

>>18083291
That's definitely a war club its listed as such in the british museum.

>>18083305
My point is africans were so primitive and unintelligent that they couldn't even invent a rotary quern. And those are west africans and look at them using leaves for clothes, using stone technology.

>>18083318
Plenty of west africans were extremely primitive especially groups in arid region of Nigeria, even hunter-gatherers in parts. Apparently some subgroups of the Kru people in Liberia were fulltime forest foragers that lived like pygmies not to mention the Bassari(sedantary hunter-gatherers) and Bedik(cave dwellers no kidding).

>>18083335
Speaking of Liberia it wasn't just a horrible place in the 1990s picrel is from the 19th century.

>>18083340
Cannibalism was an extremely common practice in Liberia/Sierra Leone in the precolonial era too.

>>18083335
>arid region of Nigeria
On that picrel is members of one of the savage tribes of this region(Plateau State). They have bones through their noses like papuans or abos.

>>18083302
Well at least you own your agenda. Isn't anyone on this board genuinely interested in African history instead of just mining it for ammunition to use in their modern political fights?

>>18083365
Penis gourds which is a common practised in Papua New Guinea was very commonly practiced throughout West Africa usually in remote areas.

>>18083370
I am interested in it though how do you think I know so much? but you revisionists only want to know about the good aspects and try to burry everything else.

Picrel another sophisticated west african lmao

>>18083287
Nice effortpost thread bro i didn't even really realize pygmys were real. Makes me wanna know what other strange protohumans there were

Lip plates were also worn in west Africa despite what revisionists will have you believe.

The idea that West Africa was somehow more advanced then the Congo or South Sudan is a lie.

>>18083375
Based learning more about different races to be more accurate in your racism

Plenty of Africans didn't even develop a true hut. they were so primitive that they were still building basic dwellings that lacked walls this is abos tier. And this kind of "architecture" was also found in commonly in West Africa, all over the continent and it was not exclusively used by hunter-gatherers/pygmies

>>18083381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmmQfYDgwMg

>>18083414
A wall-less hut behind the two cannibalistic Nigerian tribesmen.

>>18083422
Speaking of this tribe they used to eat their enemies flesh raw.
>More recently, the Mambila were a warlike tribe that regularly clashed with their neighbors and their tribesmen. Cut into pieces, the bodies of defeated enemies were eaten raw on the battlefield without any ceremony. So with the blood of the slain, his strength and skills passed to the winner.

>Moreover, the wife’s relatives from a neighboring village could also become victims. The warriors took the remaining parts of the human flesh with the entrails to the children and elders. The female had no right to eat this meat, especially being in position, and men, in turn, were forbidden to eat the meat of women. Only bachelors and old people could eat their flesh without restrictions.

>The latter also became food when they reached weakness. A specially invited person killed them. The head was mummified and kept as an amulet, designed to protect the family and help with wise advice.

>An important place in the tribe was given to the skulls of enemies. Before the first battle, young men always drank a special drink from such a skull in order to endow themselves with strength and courage. To get the latest stories, install our app here

>Now cannibalism is banned by the Nigerian authorities. Fearful of punishment, the tribe has scaled back the tradition and diversified their diet with dogs and cattle raised for food.

>>18083422
More civilized West Africans.

>>18083429
warriors from the Kanem–Bornu Empire looking like a bunch of zulus kek

>>18083067 (OP)
Jean Boulègue's analysis of the sizes of Sudanese armies is interesting. We can deduce that the Askias could in theory mobilize 40,000 combatants. Songhai had in fact three permanent army corps of nearly 4,600 men each, one in Tendirma under the command of the Balma'a, another in Gao under the command of Askia, and another in Dendi, the region downstream from Kukiya, the religious and historical capital of Songhai. This army corps located on the south-eastern border of the Empire being the least powerful of the three. The rest of the Songhai army was made up of the fluvial flotilla of 2,000 canoes commanded by the Hi-Koi, admiral and Minister of the Interior, one of the main dignitaries of the Empire. Contingents from vassalized kingdoms made up the bulk of the troops: Mossis, Dendis and Macinas provided the infantry. However, the arrival of the Moroccans cut the Empire in two, depriving the Askia Ishaq II of the Kurmina army corps and part of its flotilla, while the unrest at the borders prevented the Dendi army corps from coming in time.

The civil war, which had divided the Empire, had also divided the army in two, Askia Ishaq II could not mobilize the forces of the West whose headquarters were in Timbuktu and Djenné, that is to say, behind the lines of Judar. In theory, he only had the two professional army corps of Gao and Dendi, part of his fluvial flotilla and Tuareg and Gourma allies difficult to estimate. The Tarikh al-fattash which offers 18,000 cavalry and 9,700 infantry also gives a more accurate picture of a Songhai army cut off from its professional contingents and more than essentially made up of a noble knighthood.

>>18083067 (OP)
The Songhai armies are very unequally armed and equipped. Unlike the armies of the Mali Empire (1230-1468) which were made up of aggregate contingents of warriors free from their vassals, mobilized in the off-season on the same pattern as the medieval host, the Songhai armies since Sonni Ali Ber are made up of a nucleus of professional soldiers mobilized full time and for the most part from servile caste, owned by the Askias. It is these contingents of infantry that form the three army corps permanently stationed along the Niger River.

In addition to the establishment of a standing army, the Songhai profoundly modified the armament and equipment of the permanent troops: the copper iron javelins replace the old spears, the armor equip the cavalrymen, the infantrymen are protected by breastplates in hippopotamus leather. Moroccan and Sudanese authors speak readily of "armor", implying iron armor, Songhai infantry and horsemen, which they wear under their tunics. Under the term armor, the Sudanese armies classify two types of protection: on the one hand solid gambesons, on the other hand coats made either of iron mail (worn in particular by the warriors of Kanem-Bornou on the model of cataphracts) or light iron plates. The uncertainty arises from the fact that we will speak in Sudan of armor, including for cavaliers equipped with gambesons, as the officers of the Voulet and Chanoine column and of the Joalland-Meynier mission will realize when they face the knighthood of the Sultan of Zinder (1899).

>>18083436
>Sudanese
You mean the mixed Arabized mullattos?

The Tarikh al-Fattash mentions one Askia (Muhammad Bani) raising an army of 30,000 men against rebels led by the balama. Not sure how reliable that number is.


Jean Boulègue, The Wolof kingdoms in the Senegambian space ( 13th century - 18th century) ,Paris, Karthala, 2013 (posthumous), 504 pages

Jean Boulègue, Les royaumes wolof dans l'espace sénégambien (xiiie siècle-xviiie siècle), Paris, Karthala, 2013 (posthume), 504 pages

John Hunwick's "Timbuktu & the Songhai Empire”

>>18083067 (OP)
Apart from this mention of some kind of metallic armors by Barbot, there is also a mention in another 17th century source of the use of a different kind of armor by infantry in the Gold Coast region in the account of a certain Wilhelm Johann Müller.

In the Gold Coast (basically what is now the modern Republic of Ghana) region of west Africa, armor was in use by some groups for centuries, before armor became mostly obsolete at some time in the 18th and 19th centuries. Given the nature of the environment, and going by historical evidence, the vast majority of soldiers in the forest and coastal area were infantry, with most horsemen really being located much further into the interior of the Gold Coast, such as in the kingdom of Gonja (which was actually founded by Mande cavalrymen who migrated to the region). The armies of the forest and coastal areas further south remained mostly infantry.

One of these armor making groups in the coastal area was a certain subgroup of the Akan people called the Agona. I mentioned them in an older post, where I asserted that the Agona were a subgroup of the Fante; I am not so sure about that now and I think they may be another Akan group who were simply allied with the Fante, rather than actually being a subgroup of the Fante. In any case, here is the relevant quote from my old post:

Müller wrote a fairly detailed description of the kingdom of Fetu, in the Gold Coast region, and two quotes from his description in particular are relevant.

>>18083438
Another arab knife kek

>>18083067 (OP)
"The military equipment and weapons of the Fetu people are of two kinds. With some weapons they set upon the enemy; with others they protect themselves against the enemy's strength. . .Whereas the arms and weapons so far discussed are arma offensiva, or weapons with which the enemy is attacked, they also have arma defensiva, weapons with which they protect their bodies. These are: 1. a shield, 2. a protective helmet, 3. a broad belt around their body almost square, although they are somewhat longer than they are broad. The wickerwork is bent slightly, so that the upper and lower parts point outwards a little. In the middle a cross made of wooden boards, about a food wide, is fixed. By this means the woven branches are reinforced and driven together. On the inner side there is a handle in the middle, made like a convex cross; through it they pass their left arm, with which they carry the shield. The shields are generally 5 foot long and about 4 foot broad.[239] Persons of high rank have their shields covered with ox or tiger skins, and the wooden cross covered with thin sheets of iron or brass plate and kept extremely beautiful and clean. The handle is decorated with several little strings coloured red or yellow. . .Little bells are also hung from it, and these tinkle noisily when the shield is moved. These shields are a powerful means of protection: with them they can receive a blow, a thrown hand-spear or even flying arrows from a bow, without these things injuring them. It is is remarkable to see how skillfully these people can use their shields. It is fun watching such things when they hold triumphal or festive games, at which they display all their military movements.

>>18083440
>>18083442
All of this is arab stuff you are so dishonest its unbelievable. I've exposed all your lies with this thread now you're doing damage control kek

>>18083067 (OP)
The protective helmet is not an iron helmet, but a cap made from the skin of an African animal called owullum. [241] The scales of this animal overlap so tightly that they can receive a blow without it injuring the head. Some make themselves protective helmets from a strong, scaly piece of crocodile skin and decorate it with two gilt horns, white teeth of a sea-horse or precious red shells; they may also hang from it a horsetail, black, white, or dyed red or blue.[242] The common man either does not cover his head at all, or wears on his head a cap made from the skin of an ox, cow, sheep or goat. They paint these on the outside with thick, sacrificial blood, which not only raises their standing in the eyes of the enemy, but, in their ungodly opinion, makes the caps stiff and firm. The broad belt which they place around their body above the hip is made of strong leather, stitched together in three or four layers. Some wear belts made of crocodile skin. This belt serves not only to protect the body, but also to keep the gunpowder and bullets in, and so they sew their cartridge-pouch firmly to the belt. Others wear their swords or sabres in their belts. Many of them, instead of using a belt, tie several fathoms of rash or say [245] around their body. Besides wearing weapons and pieces of armour, they also carry with them many cords, to tie up prisoners, and sacks made of bark, which they tie around their belts, to keep in them the heads they cut off."

>>18083067 (OP)
"They also have special military emblems by which they are distinguished from the enemy. Each of the officers brings with him his musicians, who can always be heard drumming and blowing horns or tusks. . .Ovations and triumphs are an age-old custom, which has been practised by many peoples; and the heathen in the Fetu country also practise this custom; for as soon as they have gained a victory, they hold a great triumph throughout the country, especially if they bring home many chopped-off heads, which they carry on public display. In particular, each of the leading men has his personal days of triumph. On these days he adorns and clothes himself in the most splendid manner, together with all his people, bringing with them pieces of armour, muskets, assegais, sabres, shields, bows, arrows, musicians. . ."

239. This description is very close to that of De Marees (1602: 46b). Cf. Bosman 1705: 186-7: 'These shields, which are about four or five foot long and three broad, are made of osiers; some of which are covered with Gold Leather, Tyger's Skins, or some other Materials. Some of them also have at each Corner an din the middle broad thin Copper-plates fastened on.' See Menzel 1968: 51-3 and n. 122; Barbot 1688 II: 119.
241. Cf. Appendix A 187. Müller may have been referring to the pangolin.
242. Cf. Barbot 1688 II: 119; De Marees 1602: 44b ('caps made of leopard or crocodile skin'); Bosman 1705: 185 ('a Cap. . .made of a Crocodile's Skin, adorned on each side with a red Shell, and behind with a bunch of Horse hair'). By 'sea-horse' Müller probably meant the hippopotamus. For the wearing of horns and tails, cf. Dapper 1676b: 65 = 1670: 433; Emden Acta 279a no. 55, Nieman 8.3.1684.
245. A fine, thin kind of woollen cloth. Cf. Barbot 1678-9: 48.

>>18083451
It's funny how you afro centrists suck the dicks of arabs when the brutalized your people for centuries. What wrong with natural africans outside arab influence?

>>18083067 (OP)
The source for these quotes above, and for the selected numbered footnotes (239, 241, 242, 245) are pages 192 through 199 of “Müller's Description of the Fetu Country, 1662–1669" in German Sources for West African History, 1599–1669 (1983) by Adam Jones.

The references to "tiger" skins should be taken as references to leopard skins. Also, with the ellipses I left a bunch out that were not particularly relevant to the thread topic.

3. In the Nupe kingdom, which was located in the central part of what later became Nigeria, there was body armor in use by some infantry soldiers. Armor was not limited to just the lifida (quilted armor) or sulke (chain mail) used by cavalry soldiers. From the image database of the Frobenius Institute, one can actually see an image of a Nupe spearman wearing some upper body armor, in a watercolor painting by the painter and illustrator Carl Arriens. Arriens accompanied Leo Frobenius on his 1910-1912 expedition to Africa, during which Frobenius visited the Nupe area. The image below is of a spearman in Bida, the Nupe capital, painted in 1911 by Arriens Hüfte.

The description in English reads: "Man in Bida / Nupe area with trousers, long robe, armored vest, turban, lance and shield in his hands, sword on his hips."

>>18083454
>>18083455
Well atleast you are showing primitive stuff in there as well as arab stuff

>>18083067 (OP)
It is important to note that the city of Bida, like some other important west African cities and towns, was destroyed by British forces during the British invasion and colonization of the Nigerian region. Part of the reason why we do not have more surviving examples of historical Nupe body armor of this type (in addition to the fact that such things might degrade over time if not specifically preserved and protected against degradation) is most likely because there was a very significant destruction of material culture from precolonial Nupe when the capital of Nupe, Bida, was destroyed. The spearman in the painting drawn by Arriens when he and Frobenius visited the city of Bida (the newer, or recovering city of Bida) was however continuing a preexisting traditional type of accoutrement for some Nupe spearman which did include upper body armor of some sort.

>>18083459
Ah the advanced nupa people kek pic related an advanced nupa rocket testing facility.

>>18083067 (OP)
Also, it is unlikely that only Benin and Nupe in the Nigerian region had infantry that used armor. For example, in Robert Smith's book Warfare and Diplomacy in Pre-Colonial West Africa (1976) he notes that "two hauberks are preserved in the palace at Owo in south-eastern Yorubaland" (p 78). I have no doubt that several other groups in the Nigerian region did use infantry armor as well (in particular, I suspect that the Igala and the Jukun did) but finding more examples of or references to surviving armor that did not degrade and deteriorate with the elements would probably be very difficult.

There is also some mention of body armor in Christopher Spring's book African Arms & Armour (1993), and if I recall correctly a few of those cases do refer to armor used by infantry rather than cavalry, but I don't have access to a copy of that book right now. Really what I posted above is just what I could recollect, access and post here most easily.

>>18083459
>>18083461
The related yoruba people built huts out of bark like abos kek.

>>18083067 (OP)
5th-7th century swords, daggers, and arrowheads from Kissi, Burkina Faso

>>18083067 (OP)
5th-7th century swords, daggers, and arrowheads from Kissi, Burkina Faso.

>>18083067 (OP)
1st-9th century chainmail fragments from Kissi, Burkina Faso.

>>18083465
>nupa
Notice how everything you show here is Islamic? you never show real indigenous Africans who didn't suck arab dick for a living.
Pic real nigerians outside of arab influence.

>>18083067 (OP)
African Politics

The Akan used a system of computing weight consisting of 11 units. It began at dama and ended with bèna. It was possible to multiply bèna by infinity and the values went from single to double or were multiplied by two. There were three series of weights – small, medium, and large. They could be added and multiplied.

The small weights series consisted of ten monetary units and was used for all sorts of small transactions:

ba = unit = 0.148 g
ba (gnon) = ba × 2
ba (nsan) = ba × 3
ba (nan) = ba × 4
ba (nou) = ba × 5
ba (nzien) = ba × 6
ba (nzo) = ba × 7
ba (motchué) = ba × 8
ba (brou) = ba × 10

The medium weights series consisted of 7 units. The computation is done from simple to double, and each unit has multiples and submultiples.

Assan = 4 m.v.
Gbangbandia = 4 m.v.
Tya = 5 m.v.
Anui = 5 m.v.
Gua = 5 m.v.
Anan = 5 m.v.
Tyasue = 5 m.v.
Total = 33 m.v.

These 7 units comprise 33 monetary values. The smallest value is météba which equals 12 ba or 1.77 g.
The largest value is the ta, which equals 348 ba or 51 g of gold.

In practice, the system worked as follows. For example, the gua, the fifth unit, comprised the following five monetary values:

Météba = 12 ba = 1.77 g of gold
Adjratchui = 24 ba = 3.55 g of gold
Tra = 48 ba = 7.54 g of gold
These are all sub-multiples of gua.
Gua = 96 ba = 14.20 g of gold (Unit of this series)
Guagnan = 192 ba = 28.40 g of gold (Multiple of
gua)

The large weight and monetary values series had only 3 units. They were:

Banda = 384 ba = 56.80 g of gold
Banna = 432 ba = 67.44 g of gold
Pereguan = 478 ba = 71.92 g of gold.

>>18083449
You know Africa is huge, right? Sure there were Stone Age Hunter gatherers and herders. It’s like you’re saying all Asians are cannibalistic Stone Age types because a lot of the northern Siberian tribes didn’t work metal. It isn’t revisionist. I don’t think anyone debates that the Central African foragers didn’t work metal. The Bantu expansion happened in no small part because they could work iron.

>>18083067 (OP)


In considering the weights and numeric representation, we will consider here only those weights with graphic signs which correspond with calculation and mathematics.

Concerning the signs and marks, the anthropologist François H. Abel has written: “A. Amélékia, a well known man named Diénélou confirmed for me that the Ancients knew how to read from the weights... In the village of Lomo-north, in the region of Toumodi, the village chief knew that the signs on the weights had meaning.”

An observer wrote : “Each weight is the product of two signs written on it... Reading it is sometimes simple, but often difficult. This is because some Black Africans had a different concept for numeric figuration and for the representation of the product of two numbers. [Also] zero did not exist...”. In the system, figures and numbers are represented by vertical and horizontal lines, such as marks and arrows similar to those still seen in charcoal in the houses of African villages. Commenting in 1605 on the Akan system of accounting and calculating, the Dutch explorer and historian Pieter de Marées made this remark: “The Negroes have weights of copper and tin which they have cast themselves, and, although they do not divide in the same way we do, it comes out the same, and the accounting is always correct.”

>>18083468
Just below Muslim Mali kek these primitives >>18083451are also from Burkina Faso

>>18083067 (OP)
The weights provide knowledge of the weight and monetary value of the quantity of gold powder placed in the plate of the scale. There are three kinds of weights – figurative weights, weights with graphic designs, and geometric weights (Figs. 1, 2 and 3). Gold weights were (usually) made of an original alloy whose composition was similar to that of bronze and brass. However, there are also weights made of silver, copper, and solid gold. The weights were made by the Tounfouê, an artisans’ group, different from blacksmiths and jewelers. These artisans used the lost wax method to produce the weights.

Mission from Cape Coast Castle to Ashantee: With a Statistical Account of that Kingdom, and Geographical Notices of Other Parts of the Interior of Africa
By Thomas Edward Bowdich

Excavations at Jenne-Jeno, Hambarketolo, and Kaniana (Inland Niger Delta, Mali): the 1981 Season
McIntosh, Susan Kee

Recherches Archéologiques Sur la Capitale de L'empire de Ghana: Étude D'un Secteur D'habitat À Koumbi Saleh, Mauritanie : Campagnes II-III-IV-V, (1975-1976)-(1980-1981)
Sophie Berthier

The Medieval Kingdoms of Nubia: Pagans, Christians and Muslims Along the Middle Nile
Derek A. Welsby

Thomas Gensheimer in "The swahili world" by Stephanie wynne-jonnes

Shanga: The Archaeology of a Muslim Trading Community on the Coast of East Africa
Mark Chatwin Horton, Helen W. Brown, Nina Mudida

>>18083067 (OP)
1776. British abolitionist Thomas Clarkson referred to him in a letter of 1789. Rudolph T. Ware's book, 2014:

https://books.google.no/books?id=gRGpAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA116&dq=%22to+the+sovereigns+of+Europe+the+wise%22&hl=no&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi35pSRhavfAhVJ_KQKHcUlACAQ6AEIJTAA#v=onepage&q=%22to%20the%20sovereigns%20of%20Europe%20the%20wise%22&f=false


the fulani jadis -notorious for the creation of the sokoto caliphate were initially abolitionist
the first modern anti-slavery laws were made in the imamate <state> of futa toro by almami <king> Abdul Kader ' in 1780, two decades before the british

"The Walking Qurʼan: Islamic Education, Embodied Knowledge, and History in West Africa"

Rudolph T. Ware

Abdul Kader

Plantation Slavery in the Sokoto Caliphate: A Historical and Comparative Study
by Mohammed Bashir Salau

Islamic Reform and Political Change in Northern Nigeria
By Roman Loimeier

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Islamic_Reform_and_Political_Change_in_N.html?id=_RLEcWL45W8C&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y

Umar alkanawi

18083485
European hinges, locks and wheels. Totally no European influence there oh absolutely not.
18083479
European filigree design kek, the Ashanti had close contact with the British even hiring a British engineer to build one of their palaces. Plus they had trade relations with the Portuguese centuries before that was made and also had obtained gold smithing technology from the Arabs indirectly through trade.

Picrel a tribesman from ghana who lacks arab or european influence.

>>18083481
>post an image with a file that mentions a group from Cameroon

Yeah you sure showed them pedro

>>18083067 (OP)
African State Craft

THE OYO EMPIRE

OYO ILE ( capital city) was divided into lineages, which were organized into wards. These wards were led by an oloye ( title holder ), leaders of seven nonroyal lineages who inherited their positions on the oyo mesi, a sort of senate like organization with the power to appoint and depose kings. The council was led by the Bashorun who was the representative of the aristocracy to the king and sort of functioned like a vizier or prime minister to the king. The Oyo mesi deposed kings in the most extreme of circumstances by having the bashorun present him with a calabash and uttering the words "the gods reject you, the people reject you, the earth rejects you" which then compels the king to commit suicide with his son and eunuchs.

ALAFIN:- The king was called alafin which roughly translates to "owner of the palace".He was elected from 3 royal lineages who could "trace their descent" from oduduwa, the legendary first ruler of the yoruba peoples. The king was revered as semi divine, held supreme judicial power and possessed absolute almost despotic power over his subjects. All this was in theory however, in practice the king owed his throne to the oyo mesi, who could dethrone and replace him, as such he had to govern in consultation with them.

>>18083499
>Birifor
You really are retarded aren't you tyrone? the pic I attached was unrelated to my comment I just wanted to show another primitive west african.
Can you not see the link ngulu? >>18083451

Why do you hate natural africans so much? why the arab/muslim elitism?

>>18083096
Easy btfo

>>18083502
Yorubas were heavily influenced by Arabs and Islam picrel.
Yet they still built bark dwellings like abos kek >>18083467

>Nakedness was common in Africa
>Post jungle village with a population of 300
>Kano city population: 40,000

>>18083067 (OP)
Ibadan was a town founded in 1830 as part refugee camp, part military camp.

The migration to Ibadan during the 1800s was due to the collapse of Oyo and all the subsequent conflicts that took place as a result. The expansion of the Sokoto Caliphate and lessening of the Atlantic slave trade also contributed in no small part to the violence that plagued 19th century "yorubaland."

Of the various wars that took place during that period a particular one led a group of Oyo soldiers to occupy Ibadan as their military camp. This origin led the town to develop an interesting political system, unique amongst other Yoruba states. The concept of hereditary rulership and 'the divine king' were done away with, allowing Ibadan to become a military republic.

There were a total of five lines to power within the Ibadan system, three military and two civil. The first and foremost of these lines was that of the Balogun. It was composed of senior military officers and generals and its overall head was a person bearing the title of Balogun, meaning "lord of war." The second line was called the Sekiri and it was made up of young military officers. Members of this line who distinguished themselves at the forefront of war were promoted to the Balogun line. The third military line was called the Sarumi and its members were cavalry leaders.

>>18083511
That's literally modern clothes made in china you absolute retard. Do you seriously think that's genuine african garb? hahahaha
Pic is Zimbabwe in the 19th century.

>>18083514
You always use the Islamic parts of africa and that one in particular has enormous influences from Arabs. Like clockwork every time you go to the arab wannabees kek.
Pic west africans from nigeria.

>>18083067 (OP)
All important titles were non hereditary and were competed for by lineage heads called Mogaji. They formed a pool of candidates for appointments to junior posts.

Of the two civil lines the most important was that of the Baale. Its members were mainly administrators not expected to join in wars. Though it was a civil line, it was still controlled by the military and its overall head, bearing the title of Baale was always a veteran. The only true civilian line was that of the Iyalode. Members of this line were female title holders who were not exected to serve in the military.

Other organizations existed but they lacked the political power exercised by the first five. These were the Egbe Agbe (farmers guild), Aboke (priests of the Ibadan goddess), and the Ogboni (a secret society with some measure of influence).

The premier Baale was chief executive in the exercise of power, though he was not absolute. He needed the consensus of all senior civil and military leaders on important issues. There were cases when civil and military power were combined in the hands of one individual but when power was split between the Baale and Balogun, the former presided at meetings.

The council of Ibadan was called the Igbimo Ilu (town council) and was the supreme governmental body. The number of people in the council was flexible though there were ten permanent members which included leaders of the five mentioned lines.

>>18083512
>heavy influence
>post a guy blowing a horn
>>18083518
>>18083526
you can see Pedro’s arab rape baby memories manifesting

>>18083226
>Nilotes were primitive and were basically stone age

Yet the Shilluk Nilotes somehow established the first Muslim state in Sudan and took out the Christian Nubian kingdoms and went toe to toe with Ottomans and won

>>18083511
Ndebele were famous for wearing animal skins and adoring themselves in feathers/animal hair. When they did wear cloth it was trade cloth nothing they produced indigenously.

>>18083067 (OP)
Within their respective districts each group adopted modes of governance with which they were familiar----- that is to say, the political organization they had in their homelands before the crisis. Thus, Abeokuta became a city of cities with several similar but distinct cultures each administering their own justice and protecting their own interests.

I centered on the Egba at the beginning of this post because although Abeokuta was made up of different sub-groups, it was the Egba who were most numerous. This meant that if you took a count of all the districts within the city, Egba led districts would outnumber all the rest, which gave them a more prominent role. Each district had its own Ologun, Ogboni and Parakoyi organizations, however, a common hierarchy of all three would be formed for the purpose of intracity interests and administration.

The first of these 3 city wide councils to form was the Ologun, meaning people of war, council. This is unsurprising because defense from the wars going on in "Yoruba-land" would have been the principal interest of Abeokuta's largely refugee population.

A common hierarchy of war leaders for all of Abeokuta was established by Sodeke. He assumed a large degree of authority as military leader of the city-state, but not even this prestige would grant him ultimate power. In order to see his decisions implemented, he organized a central council of military leaders from each district. The political power of this council declined after the death of its founder, Sodeke, in part because of his lack of a successor, and in part because military interest, with the exception of defense against Dahomey attacks, no longer took center stage amongst the issues Abeokuta had to solve.

>>18083528
>>post a guy blowing a horn
You really are dumb aren't you? that "horn" is a zurna a famous Arab instrument. And the hat he is wearing is clearly Arab/Islamic derived. Get your head out of your ass wakanda is not real.
Next you will tell me this yoruba guy who is also a muslim picrel has no islamic influence at all kek.
Next you'll tell me tassels don't come from the arabs kek

>>18083533
The primacy of the Ologun council was disrupted by the Ogboni leaders of the many districts organizing themselves into an al-Abeokuta wide hierarchy in the pattern of the military and Ologun council. This Ogboni system, common to many Yoruba polities was derived from the city of Ile-Ife, which is said to have been the first Yoruba town in history. Its ideal function was to stand between kings and their people, preventing the former from acting as a despot and ensuring the latter did as told. It selected and controlled leaders, and preserved custom and tradition. This body was all at once the executive, legislative, and judicial body of Abeokuta.

The Parakoyi, a pre-existing Egba tradition of a "trade chiefs" union, was also developed for the whole of Abeokuta. This organization was led by the Olori-Parakoyi (head of the Parakoyi) who was in turn assisted by a number of other prominent trades people. This organization met to further common commercial interests, settle market disputes, and make regulations to ensure just prices and workmanship standards in the crafts.

All in all it has been established that Abeokuta was organized along a federal structure. The city was divided into districts which were allowed to govern themselves in whatever structure they saw fit. Above these districts existed different councils with respective domains of authority over the city at large.

>>18083539
>arabs invented tassels

This the level your at hub pedro

>>18083528
oh yes sure these tassels attached to this Yorubas horse definitely don't come from the arabs even though there were litteral arab tribes living in yorubaland.
All you do is deny deny deny, lie and distort the truth.

>>18083067 (OP)
British commander Forbes had this to say when he went to Abeokuta in 1852 to train their gunners and improve upon their fortifications:

"Abeokuta has four Presidents. Each town has a warafa (Iwarafa) or civi council of six, and on an average 20 Ogboni or magistrates. It has also, according to its size, one, two or three Balogun or military chiefs. Hence there are in office ----- taking the towns at 140 ----- 840 principal chiefs, a "House of Lords," 2800 secondary civil chiefs or "House of Commons," 140 principal military chiefs and 280 secondary ones; and i hold this to be the most extraordinary republic in the world.``

Forbes failed to mention the Parakoyi in this though it was an important institution even though lacking in political power compared to the Ologun and Ogboni councils.

There's the formation of the Egba United Government by British colonial meddling as a means to bring both the institutions under a central government

https://www.jstor.org/stable/180299?seq=5#metadata_info_tab_contents

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1157085?seq=14#metadata_info_tab_contents

https://www.jstor.org/stable/180370?seq=4#metadata_info_tab_contents

>>18083543
Okay anon post your source when did arabs invent tassles? Where are the arab tribes in yoruba land

>>18083542
Anyone who isn't brainwashed or in denial/lying can see the tassels most likely come from the arabs. It's called logic, many yorubas were muslims and there are actual arabs living in nigeria right now we can see through your lies tyrone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baggara_Arabs

>>18083542
>>18083543
So europeans got tassels from arabs?

>>18083522
Also West Africans from Nigeria

>>18083548
I don't even need to provide sources anyone with half a brain knows the yoruba have been influenced by the arabs they are fucking muslims for starters you absolute halfwit.
https://theologiaviatorum.org/index.php/tv/article/view/77/202
https://so-sew-easy.com/a-short-history-of-tassels/
Tassels originate in the middle east and Egypt. again this is commonsense stuff you are just a liar.

>>18083550
How could they be in nigeria when nigeria didn’t exist back then? Are you saying arabs invented tassel?

>>18083551
No but probably from the middle east yeah.

>>18083555
> I don't even need to provide sources anyone with half a brain knows the yoruba have been influenced by the arabs they are fucking muslims for starters you absolute halfwit.

You just said arabs invented tassels

Your link says nothing about arab influence on the yoruba it just says egyptains who weren’t arabs had tassels then you posted a link to baggra, none of this has anything to do with yoruba clothing

>this random link says the Yoruba are arabs

>>18083067 (OP)
So far we got yoruba are arabs now lmao

>>18083067 (OP)
Wonder how long before he post about igbo being jews are how the zimbawe ruins were king solomon’s gold mines

>>18083556
>How could they be in nigeria when nigeria didn’t exist back then?
The land corresponding to modern day Nigeria you fucking idiot. Who cares if it didn't exist? completely irrelevant. Are you saying arabs invented tassel? No they were likely independently invented in several places but Arabs most definitely introduced them to Nigeria again you have to be a complete retard to not accept this, it's common-sense stuff just like at how they are attached to the saddle. You are just a liar, I destroyed you years ago when you tried claiming a nupa sword was not influenced by arab scimitars it was pathetic, the handle and pommel looked identical to a scimitar anyone with a lock of common sense can see that.

>>18083562
>>this random link says the Yoruba are arabs
It's a Nigerian website not only do Yoruba people know they have heavy arab influence in their culture some are even suggesting they came from arabs kek. The website is showing accounts of litteral oral history.

And here you are in denial or just lying I think it's the latter you know this is ridiculous claiming yoruba tassels are indigenous.

>>18083569
Anon you claim yoruba clothing is arab and your proof is tassels something developed all over the world, a link to baggra arabs claiming they were in yoruba land and a quack claiming yoruba were arabs

Your using Arabs as a thought terminating cliche theres so many obvious wholes like for one middle east doesn’t just mean arab for one you should’ve just stuck to /pol/ by your logic pianos and violins are arab instruments

>>18083318
OP I absolutely love this thread and how you're showing the reality of the history of Africa, as I love its history well enough to be honest with it. But I don't think this demonstrates the point of Africans being less intelligent than their northern neighbors as much as I don't think Slavs lagging behind Western Europe until Christianization demonstrates their lack of intelligence.
It seems like Arabization and Islamization has a similar effect on governance and societal organization as the spread of Christianity did for pagans. A lot of these African societies were tribal and stateless, with the tribe finding no incentive to organize a state unless it was for some sort of need like slave raiding when foreigners (Arabs/Europeans) offer guns and the like for slaves (not the only incentive but an important one for many in West Africa). Apparently sometimes even after an imperialistic force establishes some sort of statehood (like a warlord who imposes taxes and whatnot) in a given area and the empire later falls due to instability, the state governance would just disappear as if there was little interest in it. It seems as if people didn't care for any higher level of organized society until Islamization.
I would emphasize the importance of the fact that some societies just didn't find the incentive to organize into states and make technologies. It's less about intelligence than that I'd say.

I'm also curious as to the story of the Mossi people, whose religious caste system is quite organized like Hinduism and designates the king to have a spiritual relationship with the people of the land. Apparently the Mossi kings were foreign horse lords who conquered the land and organized into this spiritual caste system. The religion indicates there was a quite organized society, with certain lineages of people being designated as smiths as their bloodline is spiritually connected to the Earth in that way or something. What do you think of the Mossi people OP?

>>18083573
>admiting you have no evidence beyond a blog cite

So no actual sources by this Egyptians were all black considering you can find Nigerians who state the same thing Like come om I get that youre an insecure island happa but you can’t be this desperate that you actually think this true okay Cleopatra is black people claim this so it must be true

>>18083067 (OP)
Okay anon greeks were actually all africans heres my source

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Black_Origins_of_Ancient_Greek_Civilizat/RQiLjgEACAAJ?hl=en

>>18083606
Heres my source the ancient hebrews were actually black africans as well

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ancient_Black_Hebrews/1eQXzwEACAAJ?hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRyaS4kK2QAxXymO4BHSQHJEkQiqUDKAB6BAgLEAE

>>18083611
Heres another source
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ancient_Black_Hebrews_And_Arabs_Hardcove/x6lUzwEACAAJ?hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjfpdDZkK2QAxXWKEQIHUd3OjYQiqUDKAJ6BAgOEAk

>>18083594
I'm claiming their more sophisticated clothing styles are yeah because the Yoruba are distinct in Nigeria having much more advanced textile technology. And those tassels attached to the horse saddle and the zurna, their hats is all the evidence you need not to mention islam itself.
>In the early 19th century, Ilorin became an Islamic emirate within the Sokoto Caliphate. Through this link, there was greater inflow of Islamic scholars and traders, some of whom may have had Arab ancestry or training, but by then that’s already the early colonial era.
Plus actual indigenous Arabs like the ones I linked to living in Nigeria even today is substantial evidence or Arab influence throughout the entire country. The fact that Arabs have actually lived there for over a 1000 years should be enough for any reasonable person but you aren't reasonable obviously.

>>18083604
>Oral history from the mouths of Nigerian yorubas is not evidence to the afro-centrist
lmao talk about disparaging your own African people. Lol don't you trust black people to convey accurate information? Racism of low expectations, I think we have an uncle tom here

>>18083606
>>18083611
>>18083613
So oral history isn't good enough? What about an actual fucking Arab instrument picrel or islam itself. Again this is common sense stuff anyone who isn't a fucking idiot knows I'm right here.

>>18083564
No I'm not saying that it's some actual yorubas from Nigeria saying that again they are well aware that their ancestors interacted with Arabs because it's in their oral history and alot of them are Muslims. Where ever islam has been Arab influence has also been there this is common sense I don't need to provide sources for this.

>>18083616
>Plus actual indigenous Arabs like the ones I linked to living in Nigeria even today is substantial evidence or Arab influence throughout the entire country. The fact that Arabs have actually lived there for over a 1000 years should be enough for any reasonable person but you aren't reasonable obviously.


Nigeria is the modern land mass this means nothing saying arabs lived in proximity using the borders of a modern country is like saying siberians influnced hungarian clothing using modern russian boders anon no one is falling for the god of the gaps argument

>In the early 19th century, Ilorin became an Islamic emirate within the Sokoto Caliphate. Through this link, there was greater inflow of Islamic scholars and traders, some of whom may have had Arab ancestry or training, but by then that’s already the early colonial era.

This says nothing about clothing and states arab ancestry as vague once again assumptions aren’t evidence you need direct evidence fulanis invading in the 18th century doesn’t equal arab clothing
If you had real hard evidence you’ve posted it by now all you have is proximity via being thousands of miles away Nigeria covers 356,668 sq miles, an invasion that happened in the 18th century and blog cite and tassels something even mesoamericans had arabs didn’t even invent saddles they appear on nok sculptures long before islam was a thing


Youre just using arabs as a thought terminating cliche

>>18083067 (OP)
Guys look arab influence see tassels

>>18083632
>tassels something even mesoamericans
Again this is basic common sense tassels attached to the horses saddle especially on the front is a uniquely Arab tradition for fuck sake why do I even need to look up sources for this? you are just dishonest.

>>18083632
>they appear on nok sculptures
Lmao I'm gonna need a source for that.

>>18083633
Those "tassels" are absolutely nothing like Arab tassels whereas the Yoruba ones are identical stop lying

>>18083091
That's big.
You're statement.

It's funny how the afro-centrist sperg comes in and does exactly what op says they do. Shits the thread of with cherry picked arab stuff then dishonestly claims the beliefs of actual Africans regarding their origins/history is not reliable kek.

>>18083645
Juding by the thousands of photos of precolonial africa I've seen yes most of them were naked or semi-naked. The left and revisionists want to make us all think most of Africa looked like Mali, Sudan or northern Nigeria, its bullshit.

>>18083601
>What do you think of the Mossi people OP?
Definitely sophisticated by African standards but the were an extremely brutal and savage state responsible for the deaths of thousands of people(slaves) they inherited an extremely brutal slave system from the Arabs. They actually brutalized natural Africans so they remind me of the afro-centrist anon a bit it makes sense that he sucks their dick so much because he also seems to hate tribal Africans lmao.

>>18083660
Hm interesting, I actually never heard of the brutality of the Mossi. Though I only really read up on their religion and origin story myth. The reliance on a slave economy makes sense considering the slave markets abroad. This is generally the case with Africa in general, as well as any region with an abundance of poorly or less organized groups of people, or a society in a series of crises like the late Medieval Greeks.

Any reading material you could recommend on the Mossi? I'm quite impressed of the mass of information you posted in this thread.

>>18083689
>Wells along the way were surrounded by the skeletons of thousands of slaves, mostly young women and girls, making a last desperate effort to reach water before dying of exhaustion once there -Martin Meredith"
Not Mossi but the Kanem–Bornu Empire another muslim state which would have had a similar system.

YA’LL JUST EVIL

PERFORMING SPELLS TO GAIN SUPERPOWERS

TALKING SHIT ON THE ORIGINAL HOMO SAPIENS

>>18083091
Dat nigga got some fat mesticles

>>18083705
When someone tries to tell you white slavery was unique somehow worse remember these drawings and accounts. The white slavery narrative is just more anti-whitism. Black people themselves slaughtered hundreds of thousands(posssibly millions) of innocent people in the name of slavery and while we fought to end it they celebrated it and still celebrate it in Nigeria there is a statue of a famous and brutal slave trraitor Efunroye Tinubu.

>>18083215
I’ve always found this peculiar. Once Arabs changed the standard for their ethnicity from being an Arab to just speaking the language and identifying as one, you get some crazy diversity. W blue-eyed white man, an actual Peninsular Arab, a Levantine, a Mesopotamian, an Egyptian, the descendant of an Iranian who lived in Mesopotamia and came to spoke Arabic, a black African, whether it be from Somalia, Nubia, or sub-Saharan Africa, a Berber, and an Indonesian could all be “Arab”

>>18083717
By white slavery, are you talking about the slave trading of white people like the Barbary slave trade of European Christians or the slave trades that Europeans and whites in the Americas employed like the trans-Atlantic slave trade?

>>18083725
I'm talking about the transatlantic slave trade that we white people regardless of ethnicity are supposed to feel guilty about. We are told we are uniquely evil and this particular slave system was worse because waycissm. All o0f this is rooted in European guilt culture and anti-whitesm on the part of non-whites.

what anti-whitism is all about is envy/jealousy, non-whites know we are superior to them so they hate us for it. They envy our achievements, our intelligence, our strength, our ability to conquer the world with ease.

anything outside the horn and north of the sahara basically

>>18083201
>I have far more admiration for these little guys then I have for the savage bantoids.
Weren't they ealier to the agriculture game? From what I understand Pygmies in Central Africa only began to lose in height in the Neolithic?

>>18083800
>Weren't they ealier to the agriculture game?
Well they didn't practice it at all traditionally, they do now because the government is forcing them to.
>From what I understand Pygmies in Central Africa only began to lose in height in the Neolithic?
Not sure about that I'd say they have been short for thousands of years, it's a rainforest adaptation.
There were even pygmies in Australia in the Tableland's next to Cairns. The Tablelands is very similar to the Congo terrain wise picrel.

>>18083812
Hmm, maybe I misremembered about the agriculture part.

Is all that bloating kwashiorkor?

>>18083815
>Is all that bloating kwashiorkor?
Hell yeah malnutrition was common among the aboriginals and especially these guys because there's barely any bush tucker and prey species in the region.
There are even reports of these abo pygmies being cannibals hunting and eating Yirrganydji(normal sized abos) who wandered too close to their rainforest kek

>>18083815
>Hmm, maybe I misremembered about the agriculture part.
Pretty much all pygmies were traditionally hunter-gatherers, there are some bantu peoples with cultural and genetic links to the pygmies and they practice limited agriculture such as the Fang people.

>>18083767
Not really. Unless you somehow think many large states in outside of those two places don't count like a total mong.

>>18083660
>They actually brutalized natural Africans
Mossi are Africans though? The fuck is a natural African?

>>18083893
>The fuck is a natural African?
One outside arab influence.

>>18083893
He's referring to the more tribal and hunter-gatherer kind of peoples within Africa.

>>18083749
Wait... I thought slave hunting was a game of tag and the people tagged stopped resisting?

Are you sayan that this is just public fetish play then? I guess that's where Marston got his ideas for Wonder Woman from.

>>18083903
That's a super retarded distinction to make. More so since by that logic there is no Asian or European.

>>18083907
He pretty isn't by tgis point. The guy is mentally ill and basically flip flipping around

>>18083568
Note the Greek key on the border of the fabric hanging in the background.

>>18083067 (OP)
>seething because your "stone age savages" narrative got BTFO
>cope by posting random pics of tribes from the 19th century like it's a gotcha
>completely ignore that ironworking was invented in Africa independently around 1000 BC, you dumbass
Your own "evidence" shows the Chabu were in contact with neighboring agriculturalists for centuries, not "completely cut off". Confusing "didn't adopt European clothes" with "no technology" is the most smooth-brained take imaginable. Stay mad, your racist fanfic is still wrong.

>>18083067 (OP)
bumping
good info here

>>18083633
Nice Aztec Arabs you got there.

>>18083721
Looks like she weighs more than a duck to me.

>>18083514
A great example of how someone can be so Black they're Blue.

The two colors are often conflated/correlated in many languages, in fact.

>>18083522
That's a MAN, Baby! Yeah!

Yikes! Aside from slightly puffy "tits" and no obvious pp, they look like thicc dudes. Gross!

>>18083541
>The primacy of the Ologun council was disrupted by the Ogboni leaders of the many districts organizing themselves into an al-Abeokuta wide hierarchy in the pattern of the military and Ologun council.


Now, you're just making up bad Star Wars fan fic.

>>18084373
Ancient egyptians had such style. Many people know how to live, but I think only the Egyptians really knew how to die.

Ww2 really is the most boring memed overdone war that exists which is why his spams it.
His fixates on death toll. The civilian death toll. The military death toll in WW2 as KIA on the Soviet side was five million. It wasn't a lot. WW1 had more. The taiping rebellion, Napoleonic and Russian civil wars each had 2/3 as many deaths. The number of deaths was not a lot more than other wars that his completely ignores.
The bomb volume dropped in ww2 was a lot less than Vietnam. The bomb volume was less and the air warfare was a lot less. The air to air warfare was limited to battle of Britain and Pacific which his ignores anyway. Eastern front was the worst for air warfare.
WW1 had many more artillery shells fired than WW2. Where the big discrepancy comes in is in tanks.
WW2 had only one large tank battle (Kursk). Because his doesn't discuss Kursk it actually doesn't discuss anything about WW2 at all. It just spams lend lease black cock American bullshit. Hitler spam. Random race spam.
Wikipedia had a edit war to hide Yamato sinking itself.
WW2 just isn't an especially consequential war. No new countries and nothing new happened as a result of the war besides making the cold happen faster. It really had no effect on history. It is of interest just because it's an event his is aware of and his is too dumb to be aware of anything else. Even the size of the war wasn't a lot more than other wars that were more important.
There's no way for his to shut up about WW2 because it's video games and YouTube tards and whatever his watches all day focus on WW2 alone, and not even the interesting parts but just the leaders and bureaucracy, so WW2 spam will continue until mods finally delete this board to prevent your brain activity from falling so low your brain stops sending breathing signals.

>>18083564
that bronze was smelted in Germany and reached them via Arab trade routes.

Note the extreme ritual scarification on this poor "woman"(?)'s face, and body too. It's amazing, when the Nogs aren't enslaving each other or eating each other, they're mutilating their children via ritual scarification. (kinda Jewy desu, or the Jews are quite African, in fact)

Groids are most prone to these large, raised scars called "keloids" because of the high proportion of collagen in their skin. That's why "black don't crack", but it do scar like a mofo doh. That's why """they""" love showing the black slave with the whipped back and all the scars. It looks way worse than it would on a human being in which the scars would heal nearly flat and shiny.

These keloids are so bad for Groids that they don't have to shave in the Military b/c they can get ingrown hairs, that then get cut and create scars on top of scars.

My Derm practice came up with a treatment where we excise the keloid, then zap it with a bit of low grade X-ray for 1-2 minutes to kill some of the collagen, which then allows it to heal normally. It's totally painless and works great for most patients.

>>18084369
>Chabu were in contact with neighboring agriculturalists for centuries
There's absolutely no evidence for this. They obtain metal spear heads through trade with neighboring Nilotic groups they don't produce it themselves.
>Analysis of Chabu genomes shows a high level of genetic isolation from their neighbors, indicated by a greater number of runs of homozygosity (RoH). This is consistent with a population that has experienced a decline in effective population size and has limited genetic exchange with other groups.
This indicates that they were probably entirely stone age up until the late 19th century. You don't actually know anything about this subject leftoid plenty of san people hadn't reached the metal age until the late 19th century >>18083247

>>18084192
Look at their European shoes as well. These afro-centrists and leftoids are completely delusional or just dishonest. West Africans especially the yoruba had contact with European slave traders and Arabs for centuries before the 19th century.
You can obviously see European filigree here >>18083479
And European hinges, wheels below but these delusional idiots think there's no outside influence at all lmao
>>18083484
>>18083485
they genuinely think the yoruba chiefs horse saddle has no Arab influence fucking liars or they're delusional retards. I already proved heavy Arab influence without a doubt because they use an actual Arab instrument the zurna.

>>18083087
The story behind this engraving is very interesting, hue.

>>18087060
James Jameson, heir to the Jameson Irish Whiskey brand, while helping the Belgian government search for new land for the Belgian Congo, decided that he wanted to see someone be eaten by those cannibals he'd heard about. He talked to the famous Swahili (Afro-Arab) slave trader, Tippu Tip, who offered him a ten-year-old girl for six handkerchiefs and pointed him in the right direction. Then, Jameson sketched the results as the cannibals actually did it, before retreating to his tent once they were done to apply watercolors. Belgium asked people to not do things like that anymore, and he died of a disease shortly after the event.

>Farran would later tell Stanley, when he returned to check up on the rear column, his account of the events, and would later recount them in an affidavit that was published by the New York Times

>He said that Tippu then talked to the chiefs of the village and produced a 10-year-old slave girl, who Jameson paid six handkerchiefs for

>According to a translator, the chiefs then said to their villagers, “This is a present from a white man, who wishes to see her eaten.”

>“The girl was tied to a tree,” said Farran, “the natives sharpened their knives the while. One of them then stabbed her twice in the belly.”

>In James Jameson’s own diary he then wrote, “Three men then ran forward, and began to cut up the body of the girl; finally her head was cut off, and not a particle remained, each man taking his piece away down the river to wash it.”

>Both of them also agree on another count: the girl never screamed throughout the ordeal

>“The most extraordinary thing was that the girl never uttered a sound, nor struggled, until she fell,” wrote Jameson

What really shock is that he said that the girl did not even cry or vocally react to what was happening-- everything, up from the preparation to the killing, she fully come to terms with.

>>18087063
>What really shock is that he said that the girl did not even cry or vocally react to what was happening-- everything, up from the preparation to the killing, she fully come to terms with.
That shows you how common cannibalism was, it was just the norm in those parts and leftoids want to bury this truth saying it's le wayciss colonial propaganda

>>18087063
>Attention all explorers and employees of the Congo Free State, please refrain from feeding children to cannibals.
>Regards, the Congo Free State administration.
God I fucking love the Congo free state. This is why Heart of Darkness and an Outpost of progress were so good.

OOGA BOOGA

>>18087089
The Mangbetu used to sacrifice a slave mixing the slaves blood into the molten metal everytime they made a sword go to 44:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KCT1aY-6pw
They also admit to being cannibals and yet the left and afro-centrists still deny it even when indigenous Africans freely admit that their ancestors were cannibals.

>>18087065
>>18087089
I don't think Congolese were so cannibalistic as Papuans.

>In 2009, researchers at the Medical Research Council discovered a naturally occurring variant of a prion protein in a population from Papua New Guinea that confers strong resistance to kuru. In the study, which began in 1996, researchers assessed over 3,000 people from the affected and surrounding Eastern Highland populations, and identified a variation in the prion protein G127. G127 polymorphism is the result of a missense mutation, and is highly geographically restricted to regions where the kuru epidemic was the most widespread. Researchers believe that the PrnP variant occurred very recently, estimating that the most recent common ancestor lived 10 generations ago

>Of the discovery, Professor John Collinge, director of the MRC’s Prion Unit at University College London, has stated that:

>"It's absolutely fascinating to see Darwinian principles at work here. This community of people has developed their own biologically unique response to a truly terrible epidemic. The fact that this genetic evolution has happened in a matter of decades is remarkable." — John Collinge, Medical Research Council

>The findings of the study could help researchers better understand and develop treatments for other related prion diseases, such as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease and Alzheimer’s disease

TL;DR They ate so many brains they developed immunity to Kuru.

>>18087287
Btw For some reason Kuru is only known to exist is extremely isolated human populations like Papuans. That means that the vast majority of humans alive today are the descendants of humans that acquired a natural immunity to the prions that arise from cannibalism. Kinda freaky to think about.

>In 2003, a publication in Science received a large amount of press attention when it suggested that early humans may have practised extensive cannibalism. According to this research, genetic markers commonly found in modern humans worldwide suggest that today many people carry a gene that evolved as protection against the brain diseases that can be spread by consuming human brain tissue. A 2006 reanalysis of the data questioned this hypothesis, because it claimed to have found a data collection bias, which led to an erroneous conclusion. This claimed bias came from incidents of cannibalism used in the analysis not being due to local cultures, but having been carried out by explorers, stranded seafarers or escaped convicts. The original authors published a subsequent paper in 2008 defending their conclusions

>A team led by Michael Alpers, a lifelong investigator of kuru, found genes that protect against similar prion diseases were widespread, suggesting that such endocannibalism could have once been common around the world

>A genetic study with a range of authors published by the University College London in 2009 declared evidence of a "powerful episode" of natural selection in recent humans. This evidence is found in the 127V polymorphism, a mutation which protects against the kuru disease. In simpler terms, it would appear the kuru disease has affected all humans to the extent we have a specialised immune response to it

>guy tries to be racist
>just gets a cool thread on African history

>>18087314
>However, a study drawing from hundreds of resources in 2013 claims further that 127V derives from an ancient and widespread cannibalistic practice, not related to kuru specifically, but "kuru-like epidemics" which appeared around the time of the extinction of the Neanderthals who co-existed with humans. This allows the suggestion that cannibalistic practises may have caused diseases which killed the neanderthals, but not the humans because of the 127V resistance gene

>Cro-Magnons associated with the Magdalenian culture in the European late Upper Palaeolithic (~23-14,000 years ago) are suggested to have practiced funerary endocannibalism

>In War Before Civilization, Lawrence H. Keeley, a professor at the University of Illinois, says approximately 90–95% of known societies throughout history engaged in at least occasional warfare, and many fought constantly. Keeley describes several styles of primitive combat such as small raids, large raids, and massacres. All of these forms of warfare were used by primitive societies, a finding supported by other researchers. Keeley explains that early war raids were not well organized, as the participants did not have any formal training. Scarcity of resources meant defensive works were not a cost-effective way to protect the society against enemy raids. William Rubinstein wrote "Pre-literate societies, even those organized in a relatively advanced way, were renowned for their studied cruelty.'"

>>18087327
>Map of western Eurasia showing areas and estimated dates of possible Neanderthal–modern human hybridization (in red) based on fossil samples from indicated sites

>The Zagros Mountains have significant ancient history. They were occupied by early humans since the Lower Paleolithic Period. The earliest human fossils discovered in Zagros belongs to Neanderthals and come from Shanidar Cave, Bisitun Cave, and Wezmeh Cave. The remains of ten Neanderthals, dating from around 65,000–35,000 years ago, have been found in the Shanidar Cave

>Caucasus hunter gatherer/Iranian-like ancestry, was first reported as maximized in hunter-gatherers from the South Caucasus and early herders/farmers in northwestern Iran, particularly the Zagros, hence the label "CHG/Iranian"

>In Greek mythology, several of the major gods were actually eaten as children by their own father or just barely escaped such a fate. Cronus (called Saturn in Roman mythology), once the most powerful of the gods, was dismayed by a prophecy telling him that he would one day be deposed by one of his children, just as he had formerly overthrown his own father. So as not to suffer the same fate, Cronus decided to consume all his children right after birth. But his wife and sister Rhea, unwilling to see all her children suffer such a fate, handed him a stone wrapped in swaddling clothes after the birth of Zeus, their sixth child

>>18087287
Many people deny this but imo I think their funerary cannibalism was at least somewhat for dietary reasons. Despite the ritual aspects.
Though I think it's silly to think humans would just eat eachother without any fanfare. Literally every culture ever believes humans to be special so obviously eating a human has to be different than eating anything else.

>>18087405
For un-embellished cannibalism (aka, 'pure' dietary cannialism) you have to think one of the parties involved is not 'human'.

>>18087314
>>18087327
>Neanderthal-derived DNA is highest in East Asians, intermediate in Europeans, and lower in Southeast Asians. According to some research, it is also lower in Melanesians and Polynesians compared to both East Asians and Europeans. However, other research finds higher Neanderthal admixture in Melanesians, as well as in Native Americans, than in Europeans (though not higher than in East Asians)

>Denisovan-derived ancestry is largely absent from modern populations in Africa, Western Asia and Europe. The highest rates, by far, of Denisovan admixture have been found in Oceanian and some Southeast Asian populations. An estimated 4–6% of the genome of modern Melanesians is derived from Denisovans, but the highest amounts detected thus far are found in the Negrito populations of the Philippines. While some Southeast Asian Negrito populations carry Denisovan admixture, others, such as the Andamanese, have none. In addition, low traces of Denisovan-derived ancestry have been found in mainland Asia, with an elevated Denisovan ancestry in South Asian populations compared to other mainland populations

>According to one model, the Mesolithic/Neolithic Iranian lineage basal to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers are inferred to derive significant amounts of their ancestry from Basal Eurasian (c.38–48%), with the remainder ancestry being closer to Ancient North Eurasians or Eastern European Hunter-Gatherer (ANE/EHG; c.52–62%). The CHG displayed an additional ANE-like component (c.10%) than the Neolithic Iranians do, suggesting they may have stood in continuous contact with Eastern Hunter-Gatherers to their North. The CHG also carry around 20% additional Paleolithic Caucasus/Anatolian ancestry. Lazaridis et al. (2016) models the CHG as a mixture of Neolithic Iranians, Western Hunter-Gatherers and Eastern Hunter-Gatherers. In addition, CHG cluster with early Iranian farmers, who significantly do not share alleles with early Levantine farmers

>>18087287
>>18087314
>>18087327
>Neanderthal-derived DNA is highest in East Asians, intermediate in Europeans, and lower in Southeast Asians. According to some research, it is also lower in Melanesians and Polynesians compared to both East Asians and Europeans. However, other research finds higher Neanderthal admixture in Melanesians, as well as in Native Americans, than in Europeans (though not higher than in East Asians)

>Denisovan-derived ancestry is largely absent from modern populations in Africa, Western Asia and Europe. The highest rates, by far, of Denisovan admixture have been found in Oceanian and some Southeast Asian populations. An estimated 4–6% of the genome of modern Melanesians is derived from Denisovans, but the highest amounts detected thus far are found in the Negrito populations of the Philippines. While some Southeast Asian Negrito populations carry Denisovan admixture, others, such as the Andamanese, have none. In addition, low traces of Denisovan-derived ancestry have been found in mainland Asia, with an elevated Denisovan ancestry in South Asian populations compared to other mainland populations

>According to one model, the Mesolithic/Neolithic Iranian lineage basal to the Caucasus hunter-gatherers are inferred to derive significant amounts of their ancestry from Basal Eurasian (c.38–48%), with the remainder ancestry being closer to Ancient North Eurasians or Eastern European Hunter-Gatherer (ANE/EHG; c.52–62%). The CHG displayed an additional ANE-like component (c.10%) than the Neolithic Iranians do, suggesting they may have stood in continuous contact with Eastern Hunter-Gatherers to their North. The CHG also carry around 20% additional Paleolithic Caucasus/Anatolian ancestry. Lazaridis et al. (2016) models the CHG as a mixture of Neolithic Iranians, Western Hunter-Gatherers and Eastern Hunter-Gatherers. In addition, CHG cluster with early Iranian farmers, who significantly do not share alleles with early Levantine farmers

>>18087443
>Map of western Eurasia showing areas and estimated dates of possible Neanderthal–modern human hybridization (in red) based on fossil samples from indicated sites

>The Zagros Mountains have significant ancient history. They were occupied by early humans since the Lower Paleolithic Period. The earliest human fossils discovered in Zagros belongs to Neanderthals and come from Shanidar Cave, Bisitun Cave, and Wezmeh Cave. The remains of ten Neanderthals, dating from around 65,000–35,000 years ago, have been found in the Shanidar Cave

>Caucasus hunter gatherer/Iranian-like ancestry, was first reported as maximized in hunter-gatherers from the South Caucasus and early herders/farmers in northwestern Iran, particularly the Zagros, hence the label "CHG/Iranian"

>In Greek mythology, several of the major gods were actually eaten as children by their own father or just barely escaped such a fate. Cronus (called Saturn in Roman mythology), once the most powerful of the gods, was dismayed by a prophecy telling him that he would one day be deposed by one of his children, just as he had formerly overthrown his own father. So as not to suffer the same fate, Cronus decided to consume all his children right after birth. But his wife and sister Rhea, unwilling to see all her children suffer such a fate, handed him a stone wrapped in swaddling clothes after the birth of Zeus, their sixth child

>>18087443
>>18087445
So Huetard, have you heard of the news? A Genetic study came around saying there is a very high chance New Guineans are essentially Denisovans with later human ancestry rather than the other way around.

>>18083529
Some Nilotic peoples were going through a process of arabization aswell pic related Ingessana people.

>>18087570
>Some Nilotic peoples
Many Nilotes formed organized states. Also Arabization doesn't really mean they ID as Arab primarily. Just that they got educated within an Islamic education system, its not exactly mutually exclusively. The thing about that era was that any one who was Muslim was framed as Arab in some weird cultural hypodescent.

>>18087453
Pinoys have more.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982221009775
>Philippine Ayta possess the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world

>Multiple lines of evidence show that modern humans interbred with archaic Denisovans. Here, we report an account of shared demographic history between Australasians and Denisovans distinctively in Island Southeast Asia. Our analyses are based on ∼2.3 million genotypes from 118 ethnic groups of the Philippines, including 25 diverse self-identified Negrito populations, along with high-coverage genomes of Australopapuans and Ayta Magbukon Negritos. We show that Ayta Magbukon possess the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world—∼30%–40% greater than that of Australians and Papuans—consistent with an independent admixture event into Negritos from Denisovans. Together with the recently described Homo luzonensis, we suggest that there were multiple archaic species that inhabited the Philippines prior to the arrival of modern humans and that these archaic groups may have been genetically related. Altogether, our findings unveil a complex intertwined history of modern and archaic humans in the Asia-Pacific region, where distinct Islander Denisovan populations differentially admixed with incoming Australasians across multiple locations and at various points in time

>>18083812
>There were even pygmies in Australia in the Tableland's next to Cairns
That's been debunked as a racist trope.

>>18087921
Nothing has been debunked leftoid. Use your own eyes you dysgenic mutant leftoid freak these people are obviously pygmioid, show me sources of this alleged debunking. And how is this racist you dumb mutant fuck? I'm sick and tired of you leftists and your lies, honestly all of you freaks should be gassed.

>>18087921
Leftists aren't human, they don't possess a mind of their own and just parrot the same dumb talking points that are trendy.

>>18087921
Just because some far right groups use Australian pygmies to deny the land rights of other tribes it doesn't mean they didn't exist. They were just short aboriginals you fucking liar, how is trying to erase a whole people and burry them to own the righties going to help? Honestly I just want to beat a leftist to death I'm sick of your lies.

>>18087921
Here's a list of the pygmy tribes you liar leftist cunt.
Djabugay, Ngadjonji, Mamu, Jirrbal, Yidinji, etc.
Basically the term pygmy is now considered offensive for no fucking reason because the left are freaks that think anything related to the colonial era is racist.

OP here I've found further evidence supporting my theory that the Chabu people were stone age in the 19th century.
>Dira, S. J. & Hewlett, B. S., “Cultural Resilience among the Chabu Foragers in Southwestern Ethiopia” (African Study Monographs / conference paper, 2018).
Summary: follow-up ethnographic analysis that reports Chabu accounts of recent settlement and adoption of horticulture, describes how Chabu report the timing of new technologies and pressures from farmers — supports the idea that metal/settled-life adoption was recent and socially mediated.
>Gopalan et al. / Hunter-gatherer genomes reveal diverse demographic trajectories… (genomic study; preprint 2019 / Current Biology 2022).
Summary: genomic and demographic analyses showing the Chabu are a distinct population closely related to ancient pre-agricultural inhabitants of the region and note that cultural transitions (e.g., adoption of farming/markets/metal) are recent in their history — supports the broader claim that the Chabu retained forager lifeways late into the historic period.
>(Dira & Hewlett; Kibebe’s field notes summarized in their papers) record Chabu elders saying they were primarily hunter-gatherers until a few decades ago and that they started settling and farming only under external pressure — this places the adoption of many «modern» goods (including metal) within living memory rather than deep prehistory
>Based on comparisons with other East African forest foragers (like the Anuak, Majangir, and Hadza), the Chabu likely used:

>Fire-hardened wooden spears, made from dense local hardwoods, sharpened and charred at the tip.

>Some might have used bone or horn tips hafted onto wooden shafts, though no archaeological examples have been found.

>These spears were probably multi-purpose — used for hunting, defense, and ritual — rather than military-style weapons.

Picrel the spear from 1979 is a fire-hardened hardwood spear from a related nilotic people.

>>18083262
>Yes, but why due East so fast and so directly whilst passing by lots of seemingly good/better environments than Oz.

They didn't. The Negritos of South East Asia are proof of this. Originally the entirety of SEA was inhabited by Andamanese/Onge and Papuan-like hunter gatherers until they got later absorbed by farmer Austroasiatic and Austronesian populations in the neolithic.

In terms of human settlement, hunter-gather generally lose to farmers.

>>18087443
Notice how they will never define "Modern Humans" genetically or anatomically ;)

No, "We" didn't "all" come "Out of Africa". This is just a biological fact.

We are not all anatomically identical/compatible either.

Having 10 fingers and 10 toes isn't enough to count, and anyone with 2 eyes can see that Africans are group of hominids and humans are another. All Homo Sapien Sapiens are some form broadly "Eurasian" species that exist on a closely related and near continuous spectrum, black africans do not.

"Modern" must be defined genetically, or it is an invalid term.


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The first hand accounts of the "pro african" whites in africa are brutal. Widespread cannibalism, human sacrafice, slavery etc

>>18084369
Lmao they were still eatting eachother regardless nigger lover

>>18083067 (OP)
You retards know this is fake,right? There’s no such thing a ‘naked, uncontancted tribes in the jungle’. Those are only locals who do that to earn some income from naive tourists.