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Eastern Empire
If the Eastern Empire had most of the knowledge and literature of the ancient world why didn't they made any huge advancements?
Anonymous No.18085497 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
It's density, they had more density and this helped but they couldn't recover from total loss of bureaucracy from rome ending.
The advancements were driven by Latin scholars and the church replaced them and spent a long time avoiding progress and trying not to collapse again.
It took Norse invasion and England to bring progress back because the danegeld created the bureaucracy again.
Anonymous No.18085566 [Report] >>18085844
>>18085487 (OP)
They had to focus more on defending themselves from Muslim invasions
Anonymous No.18085603 [Report] >>18086430 >>18091444
>>18085487 (OP)
Arent greeks supposed to be browner than this?
Anonymous No.18085829 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
Because they were brown and Orthodox.
Anonymous No.18085841 [Report] >>18085852
>>18085487 (OP)
https://sourcebooks.web.fordham.edu/basis/procop-anec.asp
Wherefore to me,- and many others of us, these two seemed not to be human beings, but veritable demons, and what the poets call vampires: who laid their heads together to see how they could most easily and quickly destroy the race and deeds of men; and assuming human bodies, became man-demons, and so convulsed the world. And one could find evidence of this in many things, but especially in the superhuman power with which they worked their will.

For when one examines closely, there is a clear difference between what is human and what is supernatural. There have been many enough men, during the whole course of history, who by chance or by nature have inspired great fear, ruining cities or countries or whatever else fell into their power; but to destroy all men and bring calamity on the whole inhabited earth remained for these two to accomplish, whom Fate aided in their schemes of corrupting all mankind. For by earthquakes, pestilences, and floods of river waters at this time came further ruin, as I shall presently show. Thus not by human, but by some other kind of power they accomplished their dreadful designs.

And they say his mother said to some of her intimates once that not of Sabbatius her husband, nor of any man was Justinian a son. For when she was about to conceive, there visited a demon, invisible but giving evidence of his presence perceptibly where man consorts with woman, after which he vanished utterly as in a dream.
Anonymous No.18085843 [Report] >>18085852
>>18085487 (OP)
And some of those who have been with Justinian at the palace late at night, men who were pure of spirit, have thought they saw a strange demoniac form taking his place. One man said that the Emperor suddenly rose from his throne and walked about, and indeed he was never wont to remain sitting for long, and immediately Justinian's head vanished, while the rest of his body seemed to ebb and flow; whereat the beholder stood aghast and fearful, wondering if his eyes were deceiving him. But presently he perceived the vanished head filling out and joining the body again as strangely as it had left it.

Another said he stood beside the Emperor as he sat, and of a sudden the face changed into a shapeless mass of flesh, with neither eyebrows nor eyes in their proper places, nor any other distinguishing feature; and after a time the natural appearance of his countenance returned. I write these instances not as one who saw them myself, but heard them from men who were positive they had seen these strange occurrences at the time.

They also say that a certain monk, very dear to God, at the instance of those who dwelt with him in the desert went to Constantinople to beg for mercy to his neighbors who had been outraged beyond endurance. And when he arrived there, he forthwith secured an audience with the Emperor; but just as he was about to enter his apartment, he stopped short as his feet were on the threshold, and suddenly stepped backward. Whereupon the eunuch escorting him, and others who were present, importuned him to go ahead. But he answered not a word; and like a man who has had a stroke staggered back to his lodging. And when some followed to ask why he acted thus, they say he distinctly declared he saw the King of the Devils sitting on the throne in the palace, and he did not care to meet or ask any favor of him.
Anonymous No.18085844 [Report] >>18086452 >>18093482
>>18085487 (OP)
>Greek Fire
>Beacon Communication System
>Impetus Theory
>Advancements in Architecture
>Corpus Juris Civilis (technically a law book but highly influential in codifying Western Law)
That's just off the top of my head but there may be more. Also this >>18085566 the Byzantines were being invaded by everyone all the time.
Anonymous No.18085852 [Report]
>>18085841
>>18085843
Indeed, how was this man likely to be anything but an evil spirit, who never knew honest satiety of drink or food or sleep, but only tasting at random from the meals that were set before him, roamed the palace at unseemly hours of the night, and was possessed by the quenchless lust of a demon?

Furthermore some of Theodora's lovers, while she was on the stage, say that at night a demon would sometimes descend upon them and drive them from the room, so that it might spend the night with her. And there was a certain dancer named Macedonia, who belonged to the Blue party in Antioch, who came to possess much influence. For she used to write letters to Justinian while Justin was still Emperor, and so made away with whatever notable men in the East she had a grudge against, and had their property confiscated.

This Macedonia, they say, greeted Theodora at the time of her arrival from Egypt and Libya; and when she saw her badly worried and cast down at the ill treatment she had received from Hecebolus and at the loss of her money during this adventure, she tried to encourage Theodora by reminding her of the laws of chance, by which she was likely again to be the leader of a chorus of coins. Then, they say, Theodora used to relate how on that very night a dream came to her, bidding her take no thought of money, for when she should come to Constantinople, she should share the couch of the King of the Devils, and that she should contrive to become his wedded wife and thereafter be the mistress of all the money in the world. And that this is what happened is the opinion of most people.

So Justin was a shapeshifter?
Anonymous No.18085902 [Report] >>18086436
>>18085487 (OP)
Germanics just were really good at war since the drop. They started snowballing and map painting in the migration period and it was gg for the next 1500 years.
Anonymous No.18086070 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
No money, no progress. Constant warfare and recurring waves of disease didn't help either.
Anonymous No.18086173 [Report]
because they had bigger problems and didn't care. also justinian specifically shut down the main intellectual organ and institution of the empire. the church's chief function is not research, it is a pleasant accident of history that monks even decided to copy and preserve old texts.
Anonymous No.18086199 [Report]
They had advanced hydraulics.
Anonymous No.18086430 [Report] >>18094586
>>18085603
Those are Albanians. Justinian was an Albanian, his face there looks Albanian except the blue eyes which only 10% of Albanians have.
Anonymous No.18086436 [Report] >>18088004 >>18093511
>>18085902
False, pretty much what crackers accuse arabs of doing is what Germanic did, that is to say deceptive warfare, but arabs genuinely fought there battles with heart and won. Germanics like the Vandal King Geiseric defeated two Roman navies by bribing traitors to burn the fleets. So many battles in the 5th century boiled down to bad luck for the Roman and internal traitors, that were German.
Anonymous No.18086452 [Report] >>18089084
>>18085487 (OP)
Because they were degenerate christcucks, incapable of goodness. >>18085844
>>Advancements in Architecture
No such thing, the Hagia Sophia is mid at best.
>>Corpus Juris Civilis (technically a law book but highly influential in codifying Western Law)
All this happened in the reign of Justinian, in the first centuries of its existence, and it was done by people who were later purged for Paganism. The truth is that Christianity hates thinker, scientists and philosophers.
Anonymous No.18086868 [Report] >>18087998
>>18085487 (OP)
Low IQ, despite being wealthy. They were like the Saudi Arabia of the MIddle Ages.
Anonymous No.18087998 [Report] >>18088028
>>18086868
Who was high IQ in the Middle Ages?
Anonymous No.18088004 [Report] >>18088903
>>18086436
Why did Arabs get bad at war in the 10th century? Like really confused. Germanics still dominate at it.
Anonymous No.18088028 [Report] >>18088907
>>18087998
Egyptians.
Anonymous No.18088030 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
Constant economic progress is a post-Industrial Revolution thing.
Think of the Greek Empire like the Chinese Empire. Wealthier than the West but that doesn't mean there would be constant progress.
Anonymous No.18088903 [Report]
>>18088004
Decadence.
>germanics still good at war
Chased out by houthis. Germanics are already decadent and inshallah are going to be wiped out. S.
Anonymous No.18088907 [Report] >>18089190
>>18088028
>being ruled by foreigners and losing your culture forever is high IQ
so true...
Anonymous No.18089076 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
The Eastern Empire stagnated militarily, scientifically, and organizationally before the 10th century, in many ways, it even regressed.
It lacked established noble houses, and virtually anyone with skill and financial means could become emperor, regardless of their background or origin because it was considered as the will of God. There was no real equivalent to the Pope, no knightly class or military orders.
Emperors constantly had to watch their backs, as they could be deposed by almost anyone at any time. They relied heavily on unreliable mercenaries who were loyal only to gold. The military was rarely updated, and emperors were often too afraid to allow strong generals to rise, fearing they might become rivals.
Anonymous No.18089084 [Report]
>>18086452
oh boy, the christsperg has arrive
Anonymous No.18089190 [Report]
>>18088907
Egyptians accepted that their ancient culture was low key hella gay.
Anonymous No.18089485 [Report] >>18089559
They did. Byzantine architecture was much more advanced than that of classical Rome. The Hagia Sophia would have been impossible to build a few centuries earlier. They also invented other things such as Greek Fire.
Anonymous No.18089559 [Report]
>>18089485
Woah an incendiary they forgot the recipe for and a mosque for child raping shitskins, what an amazing legacy.
Anonymous No.18089692 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
Advancements have a lot more to do with economics than technical knowledge.

We could've probably sent a rocket to the moon in the 18th century if humanity was dead set in doing so. It wasn't until an economic and political alignment occurred that it actually happened. The black death freeing up a lot of resources across Europe heavily contributed to the renaissance because the economic quality of life of the average person increased. The western world today is being swarmed with immigration which is depressing wages, and advancement is largely grinding to a halt. It's a set of demographic and economic conditions.
Anonymous No.18091444 [Report] >>18091451 >>18091455
>>18085603
No? Does /his/ really think the average Greek looks like a Bedouin or something?
Anonymous No.18091451 [Report] >>18091459 >>18091496
>>18091444
It's just bad actor MENA chimps playing divide and conquer.
Anonymous No.18091453 [Report] >>18091499
>>18085487 (OP)
They invented Slavic languages.
Anonymous No.18091455 [Report] >>18091474
>>18091444
It’s an American thing. They think everyone who’s not from Ireland, Britain, or Germany is mud colored.
Solitaire No.18091459 [Report] >>18091481 >>18091496
>>18091451
They're actually Indians.
Anonymous No.18091474 [Report]
>>18091455
It's concerning to realize that, with most genetics-adjacent threads being "nord vs med" flamewars/bait, participating anons might genuinely have no idea what the ethnicities they are talking about are actually like
Anonymous No.18091481 [Report] >>18091501 >>18093367 >>18093482
>>18091459
You're probably right lol
Anonymous No.18091496 [Report]
>>18091451
>>18091459
Of course, those could be true as well
Anonymous No.18091499 [Report]
>>18091453
Romanian "archeologists" are a fascinating brand of schizophrenic.
Anonymous No.18091501 [Report]
>>18091481
The juggernaut strikes again
Anonymous No.18093367 [Report]
>>18091481
I didn't expect that
Anonymous No.18093482 [Report]
>>18091481
>Yoo, saar, check this out!
>>18085844
This. Checked.
Anonymous No.18093511 [Report]
>>18086436
>Vandals
Germanized wendish, so they count as sneaky slavoids, not honorable germanics
Anonymous No.18093589 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
Anonymous No.18093636 [Report]
>>18085487 (OP)
The best and brightest were busy debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Anonymous No.18094586 [Report]
>>18086430
He had brown ones