Thread 18088603

People like to use pagans brutality towards their enemies compared to Christian’s relative mercy as proof that paganism is somehow more ethnocentric than Christianity. In reality it’s more like Christian’s loved their own people and liked outsiders while pagans liked their own people and were ambivalent towards outsiders. If you look at the way pagans treated their own people (eugenics, pederasty, adultery, cheating and lying) in pursuit of the individual will to power it’s just as bad as the way Christian’s treated their enemies historically. The “fixed pie” idea of morality can’t be applied when comparing pre and post Christian Europe.

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>People like to use pagans brutality towards their enemies compared to Christian’s relative mercy as proof that paganism is somehow more ethnocentric than Christianity
I have never heard that as a specific argument as to why paganism is ethnocentric; strawman argument
>In reality it’s more like Christian’s loved their own people and liked outsiders while pagans liked their own people and were ambivalent towards outsiders.
'And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?' Matthew 5:47 christ specifically exhorts the pagans for loving their own people and not foreigners
>If you look at the way pagans treated their own people (eugenics, pederasty, adultery, cheating and lying) in pursuit of the individual will to power
all of those are either specific to certain pagan cultures or were issues with christians as well. eugenics was only largely practiced by the spartans and, to some extent, the germanic tribes. pederasty was only tolerated by the greeks, viewed with ambivalent disdain by the romans, and shunned/punished by the barbarians. adultery is not encouraged by any pagan culture; even the 'degenerate' romans and greeks largely practiced monogamy. alexander the great alienated many of his greek subjects when he accepted a persian harem as a gift from the conquered persian king; as harems were unheard of to the greek peoples. cheating and lying were considered bad by literally every culture in the world except yours; the patriarch of the jewish race is literally named 'the usurper'. will to power is a modern idea not relevant to ancient paganism

>>18088603 (OP)
Christianity is a scam because of the pyramid scheme church planting thing. Your town has to spend to pay for the next one and the salary of the pastors/priests. In Roman paganism the officiants were just local high status people. The jews introduced the middle eastern temple cult power structure to europe creating a parasitic class the fucked it until colonialism got Spain and France enough money to function and the reformation smashed everything down in northing europe. Same reason why India, Burma, and Thailand are such shitholes compared to GDP and even absolute fucked muslim countries are sometimes a little better. Monks are society wise poison death worshippers, professional clergy are the next step down but also shitty.

>>18089136
>I have never heard that as a specific argument as to why paganism is ethnocentric; strawman argument

“Forgiving your enemies” is one of the main gripes the neo pagan right has with the Christian right. Just look at twitters reaction to Charlie Kirk’s wife’s speech. Thousands of comments about how showing any goodwill towards your enemies is insufficient love of your own people and blaming it on Christianity.

>And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?' Matthew 5:47 christ specifically exhorts the pagans for loving their own people and not foreigners

Like I said at the end of the post love for you fellow man isn’t a zero sum for the in group and the out group if you don’t seriously love your own to begin with. Which you responded to with nonsense btw. Abortion was so widespread in Ancient Greece and Rome that they made the silphium plant extinct because they were using it as an abortifacient too much and archaeologists regularly find middens of infant bones in Roman and Greek cities. Pederasty was extremely widespread in the entirety of pre Christian Europe. Islamic travelers noted that Viking chieftains would intentionally select pretty boys as their slaves and sodomize them. Any Roman opposition to the practice was completely superficial and motivated by anti Greek sentiment. Orgies were also widespread in basically every pre Christian European culture btw which is attested to by themselves and Islamic travelers.

>the patriarch of the jewish race is literally named 'the usurper'. will to power is a modern idea not relevant to ancient paganism

Christianity isn’t Judaism.

>will to power is a modern idea not relevant to ancient paganism

It’s a definition of a cultural trait that absolutely existed in pagan Europe that they just didn’t have a name for because it was the only form of morality they knew.

>>18089335
>Islamic travelers noted that Viking chieftains would intentionally select pretty boys as their slaves and sodomize them
No they didny lmao. Source?

>>18088603 (OP)
KYS self-hating christcuck. Leave the barbaric, savage and immoral Europe you hate so much and go live in your "holy land" with the chosen people. You can pick grapes for them.

>>18089389
Europe hasn’t been pagan for 1500 years my nigga (with the exception of the renaissance, Nazi germany, and possibly napoleonic France). If anything the ideology of the west is liberal nihilism which is further from ancient paganism than Christianity ever was.

>>18089375
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1528046
TLDR a free male sodomizing another free male wasn’t a criminal act but getting sodomized as a free male was. (Of course this didn’t apply to slave boys)

>>18089490
Cite your specific source about arab merchants witnessing vikings sodomizing young slave boys. I dont care about this shitty article written by academic faggots, ive heard it all before

>>18089495
It’s literally referencing codified Norse law. I can’t remember where I heard the Muslim traveler talk about it but it doesn’t matter because this source says the same thing.

>>18089496
>it doesnt matter because this completely different source that isnt first hand says the same thing
Im calling bullshit on your claim then. You literally just made it up

>>18089510
This is like saying Wikipedia isn’t a real source. The article literally cites first hand accounts and compiles them. Look at the citations page.

>>18089526
And yet you cannot cite the source for your original claim because it came from your fantasy journal not from any factual text

>>18089542
Alright you got me im too lazy to sift through the citations. Everything else I said is true though

>>18089335
>“Forgiving your enemies” is one of the main gripes the neo pagan right has with the Christian right. Just look at twitters reaction to Charlie Kirk’s wife’s speech.
a gripe that is a separate issue entirely from the ethnocentric issue. the christian proclivity towards forgiving people for raping and killing close family members is a serious and critical flaw of your religion; thank you for reminding me. but it is largely separate from the xenophilic problems of christianity and related more to the moral tenets and contrasts between christianity and paganism. under pagan law a deed demands repayment depending on the deed. under christian law all are forgiven. this is clearly a flawed view of society given how it has lead in the modern world. showing good will to your enemies is objectively a wrong decision when they are in the process of killing you. its hard not to mock you people when you do things like picrel
>Pederasty was extremely widespread in the entirety of pre Christian Europe.
you mean somewhat common in greece and rome. homosexuals were bogged under germanic law; something that even romans like tacitus praised as a great virtue of the german people
>Christianity isn't judaism
so jacob plays no role in christianity then and christians do not consider themselves to be Israel, the sons of Jacob?
>um actually it did exist but they didnt have a name for it
okay retard
>>18089490
your source literally says nothing about homosexuality being tolerated and is full of all kinds of retarded conjectures, like that njord was secretly into pissy time BDSM because loki mocks him for it once in the lokesanna with zero evidence to back his claim; and the lokesanna is literally 'lokis shit-talk'. this is what happens when you give faggots money to write research papers. it proves absolutely nothing about homosexuality being viewed positively as long as you were the active butt pirate. none of the norse kings had gay relationships with twinks

>>18089834
“Turn the other cheek” is about refusing to take vengeance not tolerating injustice. If you actually don’t know the difference justice is doing everything necessary to make sure the perpetrator of injustice or any who would follow in his footsteps do not repeat the offense. Vengeance is the same but justifies unproductive cruelty towards the perpetrator as a sort of emotional restitution for the victim (which never works because vengeance is a fleeting pleasure while guilt lasts consciously or not). Justice is allowed in Christianity, vengeance is not. Nothing about Christianity encourages you to not seek justice like those parents did. Either they believed Jesus said seeking justice is a sin or they believed their daughter’s murder was justice for being a white oppressor (which didn’t actually fix any problems even if you believe blacks were oppressed (they weren’t) besides satiating the perpetrators desire for vengeance).

Christianity throws out the entire Old Testament law and creates new laws that aren’t bound to the material plane like Judaism. It also ends Jews covenant with god and gives it to the whole of humanity.

I really don’t give a shit if I can prove Vikings tolerated fucking a man in the ass or not. The point stands that Greeks and Romans (the apex of pagan European civilization) explicitly did tolerate men fucking boys in the ass even against their will. You don’t think that’s a bad thing?

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>>18090580
Stupid thread based on a stupid false premise. You will never be Athenian, you are not of Zeus.

>>18090589
What’s a false premise?

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>>18088603 (OP)
4chan has convinced me Christianity and Communism are very similar. REAL VERSIONS of them have apparently never been tried.