Thread 18111389

Why does existence suck ass and why are there faggots like (You) who defend it tooth and nail in philosophical forums like this one, despite how easily one can criticize it?

I mean its pretty simple. the people who rightfully see existence as the ponzi scheme it is never pass on their genes, memes, or ideas, while the myopic people pass on their psychopathic love of existence, since the very first cell. all of our ancestors had to do this.

>>18111389 (OP)
Because man rebelled against God.

>>18111389 (OP)
>Why does existence suck ass
Skill issue. Get good.

>>18111389 (OP)
I hate your whiney post but I love that you know who Jim E Brown is. So I guess we're at a stalemate here, good day op.

>>18111389 (OP)
>Why does existence suck ass
False premise. So what specifically makes existence bad? If you do not like it, why don't you leave? Suicide is easy.

>>18111409
Notice how this theory is immediately proven true by your thread being spammed by the exact people described; religious cope, empathyless people, people calling you whiny for saying the truth, and people literally telling you to kill yourself than face the facts you bring up.
By the way, none of them deserve hate or condemnation, but understanding and compassion because they are just passing on billions of years of trauma because its easier than trying to face it head on. that is what a ponzi scheme is; passing on the bill to the next person you can trick so you dont have to foot it.

>>18111525
>Suicide is easy
It's not.

>>18111564
>face the facts you bring up
No facts were given; a claim was made with 0 evidence to prove it true.

>>18111573
No, millions kill themselves every day. Gun is pretty easy, look at the Russian invasion of Ukraine for an example. No guns? A veeeery high building or a mountain will suffice.

>>18111574
Yes yes whatever you pedant, that's why i called it a theory first. If you want actual hard numbers supporting the claim that existence is actually bad, this site is a good place to start: https://reducing-suffering.org/

>>18111599
Things that promote good things means all life is bad?

>>18111636
No. It is bad for quantifiable reasons

>>18111581
>A veeeery high building or a mountain will suffice.
If you have those.

>>18111669
You have access to internet; you can travel to places with those.
>>18111663
Like? Because bad thing happen that mean life bad?

>>18111685
>Because bad thing happen that mean life bad
If there was a beautiful chocolate cake that the baker put a spoonful of feces into it before baking it, would you eat it? Just because it has a little bit of a bad thing in it does it make it a bad cake?

>>18111389 (OP)
>Jim E. Brown posting
Based.

>>18111389 (OP)
My existence doesn't suck ass. Sounds like you are a little bitch ass faggot who needs to learn how to enjoy life.

>>18111712
Your analogy doesn't work unless you are deliberately causing the bad things you're experiencing in life. If you've been told the cake has feces in it, then you can easily choose not to eat it. So, if you're aware that something bad is going to result from your choices in life, but you're making them anyway, then you're a fucking retard. You're choosing to eat the feces cake, so you have nothing to complain about.

>>18111734
>easily choose not to eat it
Please explain exactly when you were asked if you wanted to become alive.

>>18111750
In your hypothetical, you asked if someone would choose to eat the cake. If you're going to compare all of life to a feces cake, then a better analogy would be this:
>You're eating a feces cake and 1/4 the way through eating it (when you attain consciousness and begin to ponder, question and rationalize your actions and behaviors) you become aware there is feces in it. Do you choose to continue eating the cake?
And in that case, of course, if I viewed life as a feces cake, then I would stop eating it (kill myself).
But I don't view life that way. You do.
So I must then posit the question - why do you choose to continue eating that feces cake? Since it is, in fact, what you are doing.

>>18111389 (OP)
My existence is ok
Could be a little better or it could be much worse
God's Will be done

>>18111780
The average person posting here is relatively comfortable compared to 90% of the world. Which is still shit.

>>18111714
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHWy_Uou7c4

>>18111781
ok?
go fix it instead of bitching

>>18111772
> then a better analogy
Yes you are correct, and don't you see how that actually makes it even funnier? You don't even get to choose to eat the cake at all, you just get to choose to stop.
>But I don't view life that way.
And yet earlier you said
>Because bad thing happen
You understand bad things happen in life. You just don't think there is enough feces in the cake for it to be worth it to stop eating, to continue the analogy.
> why do you choose to continue eating that feces cake?
Because for me too, there isn't enough feces in the cake for it to be worth it to stop eating (like >>18111781 points out, if you are even in this thread you live one of the best lives on earth) and also because unlike what some retards in this thread will try to argue, "stopping eating the cake," I.E. killing yourself is actually pretty hard.

>>18111783
Hard to believe he's so talented at only 19 years old. God bless.

>>18111793
>killing yourself is actually pretty hard.
It isn't. Drugs and alcohol help make the decision easier as well

>>18111750
Please explain why you must ask permission to create life. Who should be asked? Someone who doesn't exist has no right to demand anything.

>>18113288
Go tell that to sadistic psychiatrists when the state will institutionalize you.

>>18111781
Yes and? Why should I worry about every single life on Earth? Why should I be loosing sleep over people I will never meet or even interact with on the other side of the world? Why is it my problem a child starves to death in India or Pakistan?

>>18113300
Find a gun or a reaaaaaly tall place to jump from.

>this entire thread and still no proof all life is bad
*yawn* life is whay you make of it.

>>18113293
>Please explain why I must ask to rape this girl i drugged with rohypnol. Who should be asked? Someone who isn't awake has no right to demand anything
>>18113288
It is.
>>18113302
Basically consciousness is not a discrete phenomena and the experience of the starving child has an much significance and meaning and your own experience. Another term for this universal truth/concept is called empathy. You shouldn't lose sleep over it but you should recognize that your life is much better than theirs and understand the implications of this.
>>18113303
That's not the hard part.
>>18113312
You already know why it is. Its like when nazis deny the holocaust. they know it happened, they just think its funny to say it didn't

>>18113326
>Basically consciousness is not a discrete phenomena and the experience of the starving child has an much significance and meaning and your own experience.

If this is referring to what I think it is referring to (Open Individualism, Schopenhauers Will), you do realise how in that case this phenomenon of consciousness will continue on forever right? Meaning that regardless of your efforts at preventing suffering for your future lives, you will still end up needing to live for an infinite amount of lives, ie. the same amount of lives you would of lived through regardless.

In which case most effective means with which you can minimise suffering is by living out these lives you would of had to live out anyways, but with far greater control of what will occur throughout that life, as opposed leaving everything up to the millions of years since consciousness developed before the dawn of civilisation , or if indeed animals have the same kind of phenomenon of consciousness as we do, hundreds of millions of years.

Basically, because whether you kill yourself or not, the amount of living you will have to do will be the same, infinite, it is far more beneficial for you to make sure you spend at least some of this time as happily as possible and make as many happy lives as possible, as opposed to killing yourself and preventing future lives.

It doesnt "fix" existence, but it makes it significantly more tolerable than it would have otherwise been by at least preventing your suffering for 70-80 years from your subjective perspective per life, as opposed to a couple of seconds at best with the alternative.

>>18113636
Yes I do understand all of this, and completely agree with it.

>>18113326
>Someone who isn't awake has no right to demand anything
Absolutely false equivalence. So you're saying someone asleep can never suffer exactly like as if they never existed?

>>18111389 (OP)
This is not a new idea. In fact it is not your idea at all. What you are espousing is mere spiritual, political and cultural nihilism which has been placed into your head by nefarious groups to sap your spirit.

>>18113326
>understand the implications of this.
Like? Give an example.
>You already know why it is.
So because I have the ability to stub my toe, that means life is pure and only suffering and anyone who finds contentment is actually lying to themselves?

>>18113682
>nihilism
OP clearly thinks existence contains a huge amount of value and meaning, even if he thinks the meaning and value is generally bad. I would actually argue some of the anons in this thread arguing against OP are the nihilists because they don't actually believe bad life experiences matter, or at least anyone's but their own.

>>18111389 (OP)
It's a testing ground meant to sift the righteous from the wicked.

>>18113678
> So you're saying someone asleep can never suffer exactly like as if they never existed?
Yes. Until they wake up, of course.
The lack of ability to obtain consent (because the person doesn't even exist yet, or because the person is asleep) doesn't mean you magically don't need it. Of course, this is implying you give a shit about consent at all.

>>18113684
>Like? Give an example.
Well, the implications get interesting when you accept the premise that any living being's experience has just as much significance and meaning as anyone else's. Once you do, it becomes immediately clear what the implication is: it doesn't really matter if you or the pakistani child is starving, the experience of pain is just as significant either way. Then you might think, perhaps I should do everything in my power to stop that experience from happening at all. From there your whole way of living might change to better align with these realizations.
>So because I have the ability to stub my toe, that means life is pure and only suffering
Yes. As I analogized here >>18111712 , a great thing with a tiny bit of bad (and even just the potential for bad) makes the whole thing bad.
>and anyone who finds contentment is actually lying to themselves?
Here is where things get interesting, because of course in the last answer I wasn't being completely genuine, just being as hyperbolic as you were. Just because bad things happen, or even just have the potential of happening, doesn't mean good things/contentment doesn't exist, or even necessarily that the whole thing is bad; other points will do this easily without having to resort to such cheap tricks. I can explain these other points if anyone cares to read.

>>18113778
How do i give gold to this comment

>>18113850
>Once you do, it becomes immediately clear what the implication is: it doesn't really matter if you or the pakistani child is starving, the experience of pain is just as significant either way.
No. You are right about doing everything in my power to stop it, I only care about stopping it for people I am connected to.
Tree falls in the middle of the forest, does it make a sound? Obviously it does but since it is not within my radius of connection it is completely irrelevant to me no different than thr Pakistani or Indian child that starves.
>just as much significance and meaning as anyone else's
Only one that matters is your own view since that is what you percieve.

>>18114140
>I only care about stopping it for people I am connected to.
>Only one that matters is your own view since that is what you percieve.
As I already mentioned, the implications only get interesting when you accept the premise that that any living being's experience has just as much significance and meaning as anyone else's. If you don't, the implications are, as you mentioned, about as interesting as a tree falling in the forest.
This is the time when I could call you a retarded asocial monkey gorilla nigger, who is furthermore even being duplicitous about your own beliefs, and will get exactly what they deserve by forces beyond your understanding. But I believe you know that all already, and it would be redundant.

>>18111409
This is rather insightful.
I think existence is either a trap of some kind which we can't really comprehend.

>>18111524
I hate people who hate whining, retarded shit-eating slaves with no spine.

>>18111389 (OP)
>criticize
That's all people do here though. Zoomers are petulant whiners.

if you don't like it so much just kill yourself, I'm personally having fun.

>>18111781
sucks for them, life is unfair, but unfairess is good, it means it's not shitty for all of us.

>>18114813
>This is rather insightful.
Thank you. It took a long time to realize and the realization of this truth can be extremely calming and promotes peace within you. This is because you can realize that your very body, your thoughts and feelings and emotions, everything about you, has a direct line of succession to the very first proto-cell that managed to replicate its structure using RNA code, somewhere deep under the ocean near a hydrothermal vent 4.2 billion years ago. You can finally understand exactly how you came to be, how many years your ancestors had to work hard to survive and pass on their knowledge and genetics. You can simultaneously thank them for their work and inheritance they gave you even all these years later, and also forgive them for their part in being instrumental in creating you at all.
It also reveals the fact that, because humans have a common ancestor only 155,000 years ago, that means that every single human is descendant from a single line that goes back from that one mother 155k years ago (somewhere in east africa) and goes backwards in a single line all the way to that first RNA proto-cell. Furthermore that includes far flung australian aboriginals, whose MRCA with an average european is probably closer to that one mother 155k years ago than not. Chances are likely that most of the people you know are more closely related to you than you might have realized. To put it as an example, there may be a mother who lived in Gaul in 300 BCE who is the grandmother for every single french person alive today. Imagine having 10 million great-grandchildren!
>I think existence is either a trap of some kind which we can't really comprehend.
We can comprehend it perfectly in fact and for that I will recommend you look into the teaching of Buddha specifically the 4 noble truths. As much as I've been arguing in this thread about genetics and inheritance, the truth is that everything comes from within, not without.

>>18114864
>I'm personally having fun.
For now.

>>18111389 (OP)
Existence does suck ass. The only logical choices are making the best of it, wallowing in agony, or ending it.

Notably, most people try the first option, because the other two are solispism-tier dead ends.

>>18114878
are you waiting on others to suffer just so your shit ideology is justified?

schadenfreude is the smallest dicked emotion there is, just like envy.

I have more sad days then happy days
I have more misery than hope
I still want to try having sex with a woman who loves me before I die

>>18114947
You are projecting, brother. I do not want you to suffer. What I mean is this; chances are you are young, strong, and healthy, and one day when this isn't the case anymore, may look back negatively on your callous words saying suffering people should kill themself and that unfairness is good.

>>18114978
I will have other things once my youth fades, you never seen old people smile?

life is what you make of it, the law of attraction is real, negative people attract negativity.

>>18115005
>Tells people to kill themself
>Says other people are negative

Life is generally more positive than it is negative.
Humans just remember negative aspects of their day better than positive aspects as a byproduct of our survival instincts, it's called a negativity bias. You would likely generalize a day where nothing happens to you as negative rather than neutral for that very reason. Recognize when good things happen and make a mental note of them and your attitude will change

>>18111389 (OP)
I think it's because very few of us have any real control over our lives, and because we're so alienated from each other and from what we create. Instead we chase that which has been defined as the universal equivalent to all that alienation- money. Once you have enough of it for life to not suck, pursuing more feels empty.
>>18111409
I'd argue that calling life a ponzi scheme is in fact myopic. It creates a zero-sum assumption on wealth, which only seems valid if you have a confused definition of value.

You people just need to go outside more. Lack of vitamin D is directly correlated to clinical depression. If you feel trapped or like you can't go anywhere for one reason or another then just get on a bike and ride somewhere so you have an excuse to leave and do something

>>18115026
It doesn't just seem valid, it is the truth

Not really a /his/ thread, right? I'll need you whiners to apologize to my dog for delaying his play session so I can come dadmode repair more mental scarring of anons who had insufficient parents.
>>18111409
Myopia would be diminishing the grand opportunity existence presents into the human parasitism that is a ponzi scheme. It isn't psychopathic to see humanity, though arguably unlikely, has a significant chance to right all wrongs and form a utopia. You shouldn't truly wish to squander that opportunity and return to the pure nothingness of absolutely eternal unthinking void. It is your duty to find a way to love reality, or at least forge it into something worthy of love, no matter the strife.
>>18111425
True, but only in the form that a teenager must rebel against its parents in order to begin formulation of its adult ego. It is so very bratty for a species to rebel and then bemoan its rebellion, seeking to return to the paradise of childhood ignorance.
>>18111512
This, but on a horrifyingly planet wide scale
>>18111564
The phenomenon of internet socialization simply allows you hitherto incomparable access to the full array of truths of the full array of intellects of your civilization, so posting stupid shit gets you instantly confronted with beings that will set you straight by sharing their opinions. It is up to each individual to process these data exchanges, to judge it as wisdom or coping mechanisms.

It is easy to criticize and destroy and hate. It is much more difficult to heal and build and love. Do not kill yourself, every good being is needed as an ally. Each depressed individual in this thread now has punishment homework to go read /his/tory and find at least one example of how earthen human existence does not suck ass and then come report it here.

>>18115125
What a pretentious, shitty post you have made.

>>18111389 (OP)
nothing is true. anything is permitted.

>>18115016
>life is meaningless and only suffering
>then leave
>noooooooo
Double think

>>18115016

>>18115149

also, I can believe life is fundamentally good and advocate for suicide, one of the good parts of life is that you can end it, being born might have been imposed on you but killing yourself is totally your choice.

I have a good life, but if I ever get testicular or prostate cancer, my dick chopped off by a woman in my sleep, or both my parents die in a car crash I might consider suicide, considering suicide in extreme cases doesn't mean that I cast all life into the box of 'bad'

>>18115202
I agree insofar as that I think life ending is necessary for it to be meaningful but I don't agree in openly advocating suicide because our lives are going to end sooner or later anyways and there's no real reason to cut it short.

>>18115149
Hey you disingenuous monkey gorilla nigger i never said i think suicide is not an option or even bad. its just objectively a negative thing and even more negative and meanspirited to tell depressed people like op to do it

>>18115206
what I'm saying is that if you really think life has no meaning and is bad you can be real with your values and kill yourself instead of bitching all the time while finding no solutions.

>>18115213
what nihilists and anti-life pessimists need is to clash with reality, I will never coddle them with bullshit, I tell them to be real and truly face what they believe and talk about, jump, do a flip, don't be a pussy.

>>18115220
>I believe these depressed people's suffering is worthless. meaningless, and fake, and they should kill themselves
>and by the way THEY'RE the nihilists

>>18115254
I'm defending life, not YOUR life.

I don't care how much you suffer, I will not allow you to freely shit on life, I don't care if you personally die, I'm a defender of existance itself, not your mere insignificant existance, I'm a life supremacist.

>>18115269
>I don't care about anything
>And that makes YOU the nihilist

>>18115254
>>18115269
I can help a suicidal or depressed person out only if they admit THEIR life is bad, not life itself.

if you say your life is bad maybe there can be an example of someone that has a good life, or something you can do to make your life better, if you say all life is bad it's shitting up every possibility to do anything and thus I will not validate your bullshit, you can die, your suffering doesn't give you the right to blaspheme life.

>>18115275
not caring about particular people who shit on life doesn't make me a nihilist, fundamentalist christians aren't nihilists for wanting to kill fags, nazis aren't nihilists for wanting to kill jews, get it together.

I lovd life and will not allow evil rotten people to blaspheme against it.

>>18115278
Okay well now we are actually getting somewhere and not just in retarded circular arguments. Now let me ask you this; what if someone has a very good life and still advocates for philosophical pessimism and says life is bad? What can you say now that you have no more opportunity for ad hominem attacks?
>>18115282
>not caring doesn't make me a nihilist

>>18115296
>what if someone has a very good life and still advocates for philosophical pessimism and says life is bad?

I would say that person is either not really happy, disingenuous, or virtue signaling philosophy to feel smart or special

if you can categorize your own life as "good" then you can't say all life is "bad", you can say that life is bad for most people maybe, but not for you.

>>18115296
I believe in things, that is enough for me to not be a nihilist, apathetic =/= nihilism

>>18115326
>I would say that person is not really happy
"Um actually you're lying about your own life experiences."
>you can say that life is bad for most people maybe, but not for you.
Are you stupid? Bad for most people means the whole thing is bad. Just cause you or I are having a good time doesn't mean billions of indians at this very moment aren't having a shit time. Much less so to point out the billions of enslaved pigs, cows, chickens etc whose entire (miserable) factory farmed existence is to eventually end up prematurely killed and on our plate, or the billions more birds and mammals eeking out a subsistence level existence in the raw wild nature.
>I believe in things
Yeah you believe in muh beautiful rainbows and chocolate cakes and muh sex. meanwhile someone holding a philosophical pessimist position akin to the OP's, disregarding whether or not their life is bad or not or whether they have clinical depression, cares about reducing suffering. Neither are nihilists in an absolute sense because its an imprecise retarded meme philosophy but i would say you give less of a shit about things that matter far more. I think its pretty funny in fact when pessimism, whether philosophical or not, is derided as nihilistic, because saying life is bad is saying it is extremely meaningful, just that it has a meaning that you find to be wrong, and you would rather just lie and smear rather than face a reality different to the one you have constructed for yourself like a worm in a cocoon.

>>18115364
>Bad for most people means the whole thing is bad

lmao why? there is no rule that says what the majority experiences should be what's important, shit rolls downhill, life is hierarchical and my good times depend on the hard work and suffering of others, despite that, life is still good.

life is about the optimization of energy to a higher point of being, we eat animals to process their proteins into our brains to develop higher levels of conciousness, we divide mankind into successful and unsuccessful to drive progess foward, life is not about equality or fairness, life is about discovering and novelty, and if you don't like it you can quit at any time.

>pessimists care about reducing suffering

yeah that's their shitty cope argument, in reality they are just complaining at not being able to cope with life, trying to infect everybody else with their death cult bullshit.

every antinalist has this ideal where they help everyone around them, feed the homeless and recycle and then they go to the internet to post their evil shit "to help people" and "reduce suffering".

fuck off, you are spreading evil into the world, you are constantly bringing up the worst in life to bring everybody down with you.

>>18114782
>will get exactly what they deserve by forces beyond your understanding
Ah so you are mentally retarded. Gotcha.

>>18111425
So why was god's perfect existence so suck ass that he had to create flaws such as rebellious men?

>>18111512
The best possible existence is still painful and sad, billionaire geniuses are statistically way more likely to kill themselves than poor midwits.

>>18111525
>False premise
Then why is your only possible solution to the suck ass existence to stop existing entirely? Why skip over the whole melt your brain with drugs so you can't even understand what suck ass even means? Is it just because that is suck ass and you know it and the only possible cope is to not exist?

>>18111581
>millions kill themselves every day.
But billions don't, its a very very small percentage that successfully pull it off.

>>18111734
So you don't understand that you are going to die one day or do you think its a really good thing that you are going to die one day?

>>18111772
The damage is already done at that point, you have already been tainted by the fecal.

>>18115477
Because only a small percentage actually think life is bad.

>>18115469
>The best possible existence is to be rich
Wrong. You are blinded by greed. Money doesn't make happiness, contentment does.

>>18115436
The forces aren't beyond my understanding. Just yours, and only as long as you let your innate empathy atrophy.

>>18116630
>Source? I made it up

>>18115397
Actually, you are the one spreading evil in the world. I forgive you by the way.

>>18116838
>everyone has a shit life they just lie to themselves
That is called projection. Just because your life is bad doesn't mean everyone else's life is just as bad.

>>18116891
Actually that is exactly what they do. Its called the polyanna principle.

>>18116909
So I am guessing you have proof every single person on Earth is actually miserable and craves death every second?
>>18116830
Got proof ghosts and supernatural bullshit exist?

>>18116914
>So I am guessing you have proof every single person on Earth is actually miserable and craves death every second?
Yes.
>Got proof ghosts and supernatural bullshit exist?
Yes.

>>18111389 (OP)
becausee every time i speak i regret it intensly

>>18111389 (OP)
its realy hard to forgive god, religious people just make it worse

>>18116922
And yet you cannot show it. Curious.

>>18116975
I CHOOSE not to, precisely because you make utterly retard-tier assumptions like i "cannot" show it, and that type of behaviour points towards a disposition unwilling to engage in higher level discussion and willingness to accept facts and realities which might conflict with your own. If you can convince me I wouldn't be completely wasting my time by sharing my knowledge with you, I would be very happy to do so. Good day sir

>>18111389 (OP)
I imagine your shitty critiques of life make you all little smug motherfuckers, but life is unstoppable, and faggots like you will do nothing to stop it.

>>18117239
We won't, but God will, you're most certainly going to die some day and there's nothing you can do to stop that.. Faggot.

And there's a chance the rest of this species will die off too for one reason or another. Have a look around the galaxy, is there any other lifeforms there besides us? No? Thought so.

Life, especially complex life, is an aberration, it is not the default and it will cuck itself in the end.

>>18117325
>life isn't natural
Lmao what is the definition of natural.
>>18117027
>I choose not to
Because you don't have proof and keep talking out of your ass.

>>18117027
>willingness to accept facts and realities
You mean your biased opinions? Because you haven't shown a single fact with proof backing it.

>>18117786
>Because you don't have proof
False.
>>18117885
>You mean your biased opinions?
I should have said willingness to consider instead of accept. But no, I mean genuine facts that, to recap, prove 1. that human lives and life on earth in general is far more miserable than people even realize or care to think about, and 2. that ghosts and supernatural stuff really does exist.
>Because you haven't shown a single fact with proof backing it.
I will say again, this is because I highly doubt your ingenuity, and I am convinced it would be a waste of time. But if I have somehow misjudged, and you actually care to learn about something that may be outside of your current beliefs and are not just a massive faggot gorilla nigger retard who loves argument for its own sake, I will direct you, again, towards the concept of the pollyanna principle and its implications for the first point, and the research of Ian Stevenson, specifically his 1966 book, for the second. Good day

>>18118190
>ghosts and supernatural stuff really does exist.
>>>/x/
/his/ talks about things that are true.

>>18118341
>/his/ talks about things that are true.
Bro there are about 7 billion christian threads on the board as i write this
and another 7 billion on /x/ too

>>18118370
And those don't belong here either.

>>18118376
Yeah well this entire thread kinda sucks and is off topic too anyway

>>18117786
>Lmao what is the definition of natural.

Not yours based on the emptiness of this reality.

>>18118380
Yeah? Well too bad. You vill browse ze proletarian complaints, you vill live in ze pod, you vill eat ze bugz, and you vill be happy.