Thread 18113984

Postin west African art
First Ife figure

I honestly like it.

>>18113987
Famous Ife heads

>>18113991
Did these statues reflect contemporary scarification practices?
Does the decline in artistic quality (after the era of these sorts of sculpts) indicate a breakdown in civilizational cohesion in West Africa?

>>18113994
There wasn’t a decline it was more a cultural shift bead work gained a greater focus also the holes were likely for beaded facial hair according to some

>>18114013
Teracotta

Opulent

>>18114046
Reminder not respond to hapa mental illness

>>18114048
Why don't you like natural africans?

>>18114061
Ife Figurine

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>>18114075
Opulento

>>18114079
Owo Kingdom art

>>18114090
Pewter leaded Vassel

>>18114100
Did a 5 year old make that? just curious

>>18114148
Last post for now will post later will answer any questions posted later

How could they make all of this but not create any 2 story structures? How old are these?

>>18114178
It is true that the vast majority of Africans lived in single-story huts but come on man there were multistory African houses. I've seen photos of Igbo huts with upper floors. I mean even Papuans could build multistory buildings.

Interestingly, these pieces are very European, even in the pieces themselves. The Benin Bronzes were not made of iron. In fact, most of the finest pieces were made of European metal (technically brass). Ask yourself how European metals reached Benin in the 16th and 18th centuries, and you'll be on the path to wisdom. Interestingly, the red coral worn by the Benin king and chiefs was also introduced to them by the Portuguese, who imported it from the Mediterranean. The Benin people believed the Portuguese were supernatural beings, and they are frequently depicted in Benin art.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311507441_Corals_Brass_and_Firearms_Material_Commodities_in_Cultural_Interactions_between_Edo_and_Portuguese_in_Benin_around_1500
>Benin Bronze artworks created by African metalsmiths between the 16th and 19th centuries were made of brass rings produced in Germany’s Rhineland region. These rings were used as currency in the transatlantic slave trade.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2368057-famous-benin-bronzes-from-west-africa-used-metal-sourced-in-germany/

>>18114178
Because it is not native in every aspect as the OP and his troupe try to make it seem, there are doubts even about who actually made these pieces. See>>18114251
Basically, all imported from Germany
historians have suggested that 'Ahammangiwa' was a German employed by the Portuguese, which is interesting seeing as the brass used to make the 'Benin bronzes' came from Germany.
a totally dishonest thread... to say the least. but it was good to expose it

Interestingly, something the OP would probably never show is the masks depicting Portuguese heads. The Portuguese seem to have had a huge impact on Benin, see pic.
The Mirror, was introduced to Benin by the Portuguese.

and looking at the early descriptions from primary sources, not from some kind of nationalism, like by Portuguese navigator Duarte Pacheco Pereira, we see that the place wasn't as artistic and advanced as the OP tries to make it seem. But this is a kangz thread, I have more to do. Thanks to everyone who read. And OP, be more honest next time, ok?

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>>18114251
Hes trying to claim the yoruba heads are portugese because the Edo traded stuff for brass to make their art, they had trade with the portugese most of the bronzes date back to the 11th to 14th centuries also notice how he doesn’t source the book page anyways heres Igbo bronzes from the 9th century

>>18114409
He sources don’t even mention them introducing red coral they just used it to trade for stuff

>>18114433
How long before he claims the ife heads were made by a lost greek colony

All of this is scrap metal literally orc tier compared to European art.

>>18114435
Not Greeks but probably arab sculptors.

>>18114439
Now hes trying to derail the thread

>>18114443
Ah yes arabs famous for reaching southern Nigeria in the 800s

>>18113984 (OP)
Sapi Ivory hunting horn commissioned by the Portuguese as a gift to the king of Spain

Sapi ivory was actually a hot commodity in Europe you found sapi ivories as far as saxony

>>18114445
>Ah yes arabs famous for reaching southern Nigeria in the 800s
Yeah they had seaworthy ships

>>18114445
Orc tier damn that is ugly

>>18114514
Another horn

Pic elvish art just compare it to OP's orkish scrap metal gross

>>18114524
Hes back

>>18114523
all I see is a bunch of hairy brown homos sculpted on marble

>>18114551
Sapi ivory art appears even in European art

>>18114540
Italians are not brown kang enough with this dumb meme. This is the artist Giambologna picrel does he look brown to you? Dumbass Italians are white people of Europe.

>>18114514
>Bunch of European pictures on the
Kang I...

Does architecture count?

>>18114730
italians are literally jeet tier brown mongrels, the only reason why they're not the brownest europeans is because iberians exist and iberians are just straight up niggers

The Kang trembles in fear at the artistic genius of the Italian European man.

>>18114747
that's an example of brown excellence

>>18114746
>Cherry picks the darkest Sicilian he can find
Kys Sicilian have Arab DNA. Mainland Italians are white Europeans.

>>18114751
>Brown dues this man look brown to you you fucking clown? I litterally just showed a portrait of the artist you dumb nigger he had pale white skin >>18114730
No real med ever refers to us as brown only niggers and mestizos say that.

>>18114753
>posts a bunch of arab mongrels
see pic related, meds are brown MENA rapebaby mongrels

>>18114759
here's your totally not brown med hyperborean aryan with zero nigger admixture bro

>>18114769
Just more cherry picking kys. Italians have the same haplogroup as most other western Europeans

>>18114764
>>18114769
By your low iq "logic"rowan Atkinson or Russel brand or this fucking Swedish guy are brown Arabs fucking dumb nigger.
These >>18114753 guys are litterally lighter features then him dumbass

>>18114764
>>18114769
Here's tom Jones the brown Arab from Wales.

>>18114764
>>18114769
Here's Colin ferrel he's not Irish he's actually a black moorish Arab

>>18114819
The Kang is talking shit about southern Europeans comparing them to shitskin mudslimes without any basis

>>18114764
It has nothing to do with Arabs dumbass it's related to neolithic farmers

>>18114743
>A sand castle
Opulento

>>18114195
Show me two story ssa structures

>>18113984 (OP)
So arabs came to southern nigeria in the 9th century, and portugese magically made all edo art because a uncoursed book written by a british quack said so there fore yoruba bronze art is actually european

>>18114731
I can tell pedro can’t read

>>18114819
Its an asshurt hapa mad his white daddy fucked his island asian mother

>>18114731
>While the source of the materials and the superb artistry of this hunting horn can be attributed to Sierra Leone, certain of its features suggest that it was made by a Bullom or Temne artist for a European client. The positioning of its mouthpiece, its suspension lugs, as well as the scenes of a European hunt carved in relief and most likely based upon European prints all indicate the horn was produced for export. This horn is one of only three surviving horns attributed to the same hand. The heraldic shields and inscriptions carved near its base by this unidentified master artist help narrow the dating of its creation to between 1494 and 1500 and identify it as a royal gift from Crown Prince Manuel I of Portugal to King Ferdinand V of Castile and Aragon.
>West African ivories were coveted luxuries in Europe in the late 15th and 16th centuries and considered worthy as royal gifts. Increased international demand for ivory in subsequent centuries has endangered elephant populations however, giving rise to current international bans on its export and use.

>>18113984 (OP)
Nupe bida brass work

>>18114075
Nephilim clownd

>>18113984 (OP)
Yoruba bead work

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>>18116621
They kinda fresh doe

Edo Ivory Carving depicting Portugese traders

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>>18116473
Watch the kang deny Arab influence in these.

You can never post shit that hasn't been influenced by Caucasoids can you?

>>18116416
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>>18116434
Pic is north african brass work the kang will so there's no influence from this in the nupa shit.

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>>18117021
>post nigerian brass work
>post random brass work
>buzz words buzz words buzz words

So arabs invented brass working now too? Why are you so obessed with arabs Flip still mad they raped your Spanish daddy’s ancestors?

Arabs seem to be your thought terminating cliche

Swords

>>18117427
>So arabs invented brass working now too?
Did I say that? its very obvious to anyone using common sense that the MUSLIM nupa people were influenced by arab brass through trade. Just look at the kettle kang, that's obviously a Arab/Persian inspired desisgn.

>>18117433
You claimed they were arab they weren’t now your shifting the goal post you didn’t post anything similar beyond random brass works to claim theyre arab now youre calling it persian

This shit doesn’t work on people with basic reasoning god of the gaps isn’t a real argument

>>18117429
Compare the quality of that orc sword to this beautiful European saber. Mandinka's used to purchase German saber blades specifically because they had poor quality metal.

>>18117439
Now hes back to talking about europeans whenever he can’t vaguely tie it to his thought terminating cliches he calls it bad

>>18117437
>You claimed they were arab
No I didn't I showed you actual Yoruba on a Nigerian website claiming they come from arabs using oral history lmao.
>you didn’t post anything similar beyond random brass works
If you say so. Anyone who isn't blind can see the similarities. You are denying arab influence when these people are literally following an arab religion kek retard. You've already been btfo with the "Asante" dish. European/Arab influence was prevalent all over west africa even in fucking isolated jungle regions.

>>18117440
https://www.bygoneblades.com/buy-mandingo-sword-with-prussian-blucher-blade

>>18117460
So now hes using an eshop not like an actual museum or academic source huh doesn’t even mention the yoruba hes so desperate for a gotcha

>>18117464
Now hes posting radom brass plates with coping file names he literally thinks arabs invented brass working

>>18116473
Pic brass Moroccan kettle kangs on suicide watch

>>18117464
You are such a lying piece of shit? anyone who knows about Mandinka blades knows they mostly used German saber blades.

>>18117471
Yep hes still at arabs invented tassels, brass work, they also mad 9th century pagan igbo art somehow too man he must love arabs

>>18117471
Alot of these Dahomey swords used European handles.

>>18117473
Hes so mad now guess his arab overlords yelled at him

>>18117478
Now he's back to claiming its European he can decide if its all European or all arabs

>>18117473
>Yep hes still at arabs invented tassels
Never said that they obviously introduced them to west africa though you dishonest cretin.You know that you're just a liar.
>brass work
Never said that but ISLAMIC nupa brass work is obviously massively influenced by the brass work of north africa.
>9th century pagan igbo art
Not me you're trying to discredit me by using some other schizo.

>>18117489
Hes still going still seething

>>18117482
Deny deny deny. You are denying cultural diffusion, it's completely illogical to suggest people who traded with and interacted with Europeans and Arabs for centuries had no cultural influence from them. Absolutely absurd I made a whole thread tearing you apart and you still deny reality.

>>18117494
Cooking up next gotcha as we speak

>>18117502
>deny deny
Yep hes mad now

>>18117504
>Yep hes mad now
Projection lmao

>>18116566
Nice European chairs covered in bead work using European glass beads made in italy.

>>18117510
Still going huh still crying

>>18116566
>European glass beads were introduced to the Yoruba people through trade starting in the late 18th century and became an integral part of their beadwork, particularly in royal regalia like the beaded crown (Ade). The small, brightly colored "seed beads" imported from Europe, often manufactured in Bohemia, were prized for their uniform size and color variety, especially for colors like blue that were rare naturally. These beads were used to create intricate designs that decorated crowns, tunics, and other items, blending traditional Yoruba symbolism with external influences.

What are you guys talking about

>>18117513
Yep now europeans invented bead works and chairs

>>18117510
Are you going to deny that that handle is inspired by European sabers aswell? lmao

>>18117515
>The glass beads from Tié. image by C. Magnavita et al. the largest blue beads; 22 & 34, were manufactured in the medieval city of Ile-ife in Nigeria, providing further evidence for regional trade that isn’t documented in external accounts.

>>18117517
You are such a lying piece of shit. Those chairs are clearly of European origin or inspired design. And yes Europeans invented GLASS BEADS especially the small ones popular in africa.

>>18117516
A filipino hapa trying to claim everything African he can’t call ugly is either European or Arab notice he never actually cites sources that confirm anything

>>18117521
Those are not the same type of beads you dishonest scumbag. it's a fact and common knowledge that indigenous people used to purchase glass beads from European traders. Most Yoruba beads are of European origin stop lying you're just exposing yourself more.

>>18117521
>The site of Igbo Olokun on the northern periphery of Ile-Ife has been recognized as a glass-working workshop for over a century. Its glass-encrusted crucibles and beads were viewed as evidence of secondary processing of imported glass until the high lime, high alumina (HLHA) composition of the glass was recognized as unique to the region. Archaeological excavations conducted at Igbo Olokun recovered more than twelve thousand glass beads and several kilograms of glass-working debris. Fifty-two glass beads from the excavated assemblage were analyzed by laser ablation-inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (LA-ICP-MS) and scanning electron microscopy-energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy (SEM-EDS) to understand the chemical characteristics of the Igbo Olokun glass beads in comparison with previously analyzed beads. The analyses affirm the prevalence of HLHA glass beads, and provide firm evidence of a new compositional group characterized by low lime, high alumina (LLHA); no imported soda-lime glass beads were among the analyzed samples.

>The evidence from crucibles indicates that LLHA glass was worked together with HLHA glass at Igbo Olokun and may have been made locally as part of the same technological tradition. Most likely, granitic sand with or without added calcium carbonate was used to produce these two types of glass, and colorants rich in MnO, Fe2O3, CuO, and CoO were intentionally added.

>>18117525
https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/objects/4813
>Although the Yoruba have a long history of glassmaking, the beads used to make this crown would have been imported from the British in the late nineteenth century
There's your source scumbag. And the older glass beads were probably from the arabs.

>>18117530
Lol he just copy pasted from the AI results on google lmao

>>18117533
>The site of Igbo Olokun on the northern periphery of Ile-Ife has been recognized as a glass-working workshop for over a century. Its glass-encrusted crucibles and beads were viewed as evidence of secondary processing of imported glass until the high lime, high alumina (HLHA) composition of the glass was recognized as unique to the region. Archaeological excavations conducted at Igbo Olokun recovered more than twelve thousand glass beads and several kilograms of glass-working debris. Fifty-two glass beads from the excavated assemblage were analyzed by laser ablation-inductively coupled plasma-mass spectrometry (LA-ICP-MS) and scanning electron microscopy-energy-dispersive X-ray spectroscopy (SEM-EDS) to understand the chemical characteristics of the Igbo Olokun glass beads in comparison with previously analyzed beads. The analyses affirm the prevalence of HLHA glass beads, and provide firm evidence of a new compositional group characterized by low lime, high alumina (LLHA); no imported soda-lime glass beads were among the analyzed samples.

>The evidence from crucibles indicates that LLHA glass was worked together with HLHA glass at Igbo Olokun and may have been made locally as part of the same technological tradition. Most likely, granitic sand with or without added calcium carbonate was used to produce these two types of glass, and colorants rich in MnO, Fe2O3, CuO, and CoO were intentionally added

>>18117534
Ai can search through thousands of sources in seconds and you think that isn't going to be reliable?

>>18117522
>>18117525
In short

>>18117537
The beadwork you provided earlier uses European glass beads stop lying you piece of shit these >>18117521 are not the beads used in typical Yoruba beadwork they are inferior.

>>18117521
So far africans developed their own bead working Hapa said europeans introduced it in the 17th century his own source says they didn’t that they traded beads for stuff but that the yoruba have had their tradition for centuries but also arabs introduced it

>>18117539
You are a liar I exposed you with the "asante" dish thread.

>>18117548
>but that the yoruba have had their tradition for centuries but also arabs introduced it
And it was inferior, their beads were not of the same quality europeans made using machines I'll prove to you that the bead work you posted using European glass beads.

>>18117544
>>18117548
Your owm source
>This beaded crown is the ultimate symbol of Yoruba kingship. Although the Yoruba have a long history of glassmaking,

It just says they traded for beads not that they got bead making from europeans like claimed just like how you tried to claim europeans made the edo bronzes brcause they traded for brass to be metaled into caste

>>18117549
>exposed Asante dish
>own source said that it was a British attempt at imitating Asante styles

By exposed you mean you found one disc that was made as a novelty now your trying to claim all the art was actually European or arab some how, the beads were the import not the crown it was locally made

>>18117557
Yeah because european beads were vastly superior made using machines.

>>18117559
>own source said that it was a British attempt at imitating Asante styles
It's filigree asantes were obviously imitating filigree.

>>18117563
no they were just mass produced thus cheaper

>>18117554
>it was inferior
No it really wasn’t you said the bead was introduced by europeans it wasn’t mass produced cheap beads aren’t superior don’t get were this coming from pedro

>>18117557
>Crowns are now decorated with brilliantly colored glass beads, which have been imported from Europe probably since the mid-17th century
https://www.si.edu/object/crown%3Anmafa_94-1-1

here's a challenge for you show me glass bead working using these indigenous beads and provide sources proving they were made locally.
Yoruba always used European glass beads because they were uniformly shaped and versatile vastly superior to the primitive shit they made.

>>18117570
>no they were just mass produced thus cheaper
Lmao such cope these >>18117521 beads would not look good in bead work because they are crude, not uniformly shaped and probably too large. As you can see they just made primitive ooga booga necklaces with them

Here's some west african art opulento

>>18113984 (OP)
Mental health and neuropsychological assessment of the typical politically incorrect poster.


Pepe Frog, MD, MPH, PhD, Wojak Feel Guy,MD, PhD
University of Meme,Kek State

Every three or four threads created on the board you will find one discussing blacks and even threads having nothing to do with them will oftentimes have some anon/anons who have them on the brain.Behind all the hate, behind all the monkey and KANGZ memes,Tyrone sheeit comics,gifs,demotivational pictures, and webms - pol/ users secretly admire the Negro.The raw brass confident masculinity that they possess which they are quick to compare to a feral animal,and yet at the same time acknowledge is what women truly desire at their core and what is lacking in many white heterosexual unions.Their intrinsic ruggedness that enables them to stamp their mark on any field of physical activity that they enter.The amazing sense of rhythm that they naturally seem to possess that they liken to ape gesticulations and yet are oh so majestic to witness.Then there is the stereotype of the black man's sexuality,particularly his phallus.It has become a bodily protuberance of myth and legend.There is a reason that r/AsianMasculinity trolls are laughed off while BBC and Blacked generates anger and solemn disdain.For where the asian man's masculinity is considered a joke the black man's is a threat to be taken with utmost seriousness,for there may be a kernel of truth to it.Is it a coincidence that of all the races of men it is the black man whose masculinity has become a meme? Based on our assessment,Dr. Wojak and I have thus concluded that pol/ is a board populated with manic depressive autistic schizoid individuals afflicted with a sort of Jungian-Pavlovian psychopathological negro-complex..

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>>18114075
Ghetto niggas must mostly descend from the ooga boogas who made these kek

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>>18117593
>>18117585
>>18117580
Mental health and neuropsychological assessment of the typical politically incorrect poster.


Pepe Frog, MD, MPH, PhD, Wojak Feel Guy,MD, PhD
University of Meme,Kek State

Every three or four threads created on the board you will find one discussing blacks and even threads having nothing to do with them will oftentimes have some anon/anons who have them on the brain.Behind all the hate, behind all the monkey and KANGZ memes,Tyrone sheeit comics,gifs,demotivational pictures, and webms - pol/ users secretly admire the Negro.The raw brass confident masculinity that they possess which they are quick to compare to a feral animal,and yet at the same time acknowledge is what women truly desire at their core and what is lacking in many white heterosexual unions.Their intrinsic ruggedness that enables them to stamp their mark on any field of physical activity that they enter.The amazing sense of rhythm that they naturally seem to possess that they liken to ape gesticulations and yet are oh so majestic to witness.Then there is the stereotype of the black man's sexuality,particularly his phallus.It has become a bodily protuberance of myth and legend.There is a reason that r/AsianMasculinity trolls are laughed off while BBC and Blacked generates anger and solemn disdain.For where the asian man's masculinity is considered a joke the black man's is a threat to be taken with utmost seriousness,for there may be a kernel of truth to it.Is it a coincidence that of all the races of men it is the black man whose masculinity has become a meme? Based on our assessment,Dr. Wojak and I have thus concluded that pol/ is a board populated with manic depressive autistic schizoid individuals afflicted with a sort of Jungian-Pavlovian psychopathological negro-complex.

>>18117607
Seriously though there's no way most African Americans come from people who made all those realistic heads unless they are educated types like doctors, lawyers and whatnot.

Kek kang has been btfo so now he's posting meme pasta as damage control

>>18117601
They were just bad artists

>>18117702
Yeah with low iqs, intelligent African Americans come from house-slaves like the Igbo, Mandinka and ghetto niggas come from cannibal tribes like krus in liberia or primitive Congolese/Angolan tribes

>>18117728
>>18117702
Mental health and neuropsychological assessment of the typical politically incorrect poster.


Pepe Frog, MD, MPH, PhD, Wojak Feel Guy,MD, PhD
University of Meme,Kek State

Every three or four threads created on the board you will find one discussing blacks and even threads having nothing to do with them will oftentimes have some anon/anons who have them on the brain.Behind all the hate, behind all the monkey and KANGZ memes,Tyrone sheeit comics,gifs,demotivational pictures, and webms - pol/ users secretly admire the Negro.The raw brass confident masculinity that they possess which they are quick to compare to a feral animal,and yet at the same time acknowledge is what women truly desire at their core and what is lacking in many white heterosexual unions.Their intrinsic ruggedness that enables them to stamp their mark on any field of physical activity that they enter.The amazing sense of rhythm that they naturally seem to possess that they liken to ape gesticulations and yet are oh so majestic to witness.Then there is the stereotype of the black man's sexuality,particularly his phallus.It has become a bodily protuberance of myth and legend.There is a reason that r/AsianMasculinity trolls are laughed off while BBC and Blacked generates anger and solemn disdain.For where the asian man's masculinity is considered a joke the black man's is a threat to be taken with utmost seriousness,for there may be a kernel of truth to it.Is it a coincidence that of all the races of men it is the black man whose masculinity has become a meme? Based on our assessment,Dr. Wojak and I have thus concluded that pol/ is a board populated with manic depressive autistic schizoid individuals afflicted with a sort of Jungian-Pavlovian psychopathological negro-complex.

>>18117538
Not even gonna pay attention to the rest of this conversation but the fact you're one of those braindead vermin who treat LLMs as magic omniscient oracle machines immediately exposes you as the objectively incorrect party itt

>>18117966
>exposes you as the objectively incorrect party itt
No it doesn't that's just your braindead technophobic bias. I already provided actual sources from museum websites leftoid subhuman but you weren't paying attention to the rest of this conversation as you just said. Probably no doubt because you have reading comprehension issues due to a learning difficulty(you're retarded) lmao.

>>18117999
Mental health and neuropsychological assessment of the typical politically incorrect poster.


Pepe Frog, MD, MPH, PhD, Wojak Feel Guy,MD, PhD
University of Meme,Kek State

Every three or four threads created on the board you will find one discussing blacks and even threads having nothing to do with them will oftentimes have some anon/anons who have them on the brain.Behind all the hate, behind all the monkey and KANGZ memes,Tyrone sheeit comics,gifs,demotivational pictures, and webms - pol/ users secretly admire the Negro.The raw brass confident masculinity that they possess which they are quick to compare to a feral animal,and yet at the same time acknowledge is what women truly desire at their core and what is lacking in many white heterosexual unions.Their intrinsic ruggedness that enables them to stamp their mark on any field of physical activity that they enter.The amazing sense of rhythm that they naturally seem to possess that they liken to ape gesticulations and yet are oh so majestic to witness.Then there is the stereotype of the black man's sexuality,particularly his phallus.It has become a bodily protuberance of myth and legend.There is a reason that r/AsianMasculinity trolls are laughed off while BBC and Blacked generates anger and solemn disdain.For where the asian man's masculinity is considered a joke the black man's is a threat to be taken with utmost seriousness,for there may be a kernel of truth to it.Is it a coincidence that of all the races of men it is the black man whose masculinity has become a meme? Based on our assessment,Dr. Wojak and I have thus concluded that pol/ is a board populated with manic depressive autistic schizoid individuals afflicted with a sort of Jungian-Pavlovian psychopathological negro-complex.