Thread 18116638

Human individuals themselves aren't that equal between themselves, they don't deserve the same "rights" as any other person. To think otherwise is wrong, and it is retarded.

What are some other things that the Enlightenment got wrong?

The Lords of Trade and Plantations of Carolina aka slave trader in your pic doesn't disagree with you op. When reading 17th century liberal thinkers always replace "property" with "slaves" and "men" with "yeoman planter class" and you'll get it

>>18116697
>Liberalism was founded on hypocrisy

Geeeg

>>18116697
Is there an Enlightenment thinker who wasn't a hypocrite?

>>18116697
fpbp

>>18116638 (OP)
>>18116710
>>18116758
>hasn't the first clue about what is making him seethe uncontrollably
>seethes anyways
Why are low IQ mutts like this?

natural rights are conceptually inferior to divine rights

yes, the same divine right given by God that establishes the ruling prerogative of the king to also provides for the liberties of his subjects of which the king is bound to guarantee and protect as a matter of his duty
nature cannot bestow rights, that doesn't make sense because properly speaking nature is not agentic in the same sense that water and fire are not intelligent or possessed of will; only God can do that

it's these rights that are inalienable precisely because they are not given to men by other men

>>18117064
>divine rights
>run-on sentence of gibberish
Into the trash it goes

>>18117097
I don't like either "natural rights" or "divine right", they're both shit, can we get something better?

liberalism is pre-communism

>>18117113
>wwwaaahhh I don't like natural rights because it implies brown people get them too wwwaaaahhh
Not until you grow the fuck up.

>>18117193
Actually natural rights means brown people have brown rights and white people have white rights. And in the case of applying this to browns within a white nation browns don't qualify for white rights naturally and to claim they do is to deny history

>>18117211
>within a white nation
No such thing

>>18117227
Okay so Africa is just a sandbox for Europe

>>18117193
But Anon it's not fair, I don't want to be equal to anybody eeelllssseee why should they have the same rights as meeee

>>18117248
Why should brown people have the same rights as white people? They're not the same

Stupid redditarded liberalism I hate I haaate it

>>18117254
Even individuals among the same race are very much separated by intelligence, gender, profession, etc.

>>18117266
Well if natural rights are predicated on a race's development before the intermingling of races then naturally rights would be different depending on what race you are. And if you go to another race's tribe you're not bringing your white rights with you

>>18117273
Whatever, rights don't matter, it's a spook anyway

>>18117230
This is your brain on /pol/-induced brainrot. There is no "white genocide" happening.

>>18117248
>nnnoooooo only MY ancestors can heckin' repress you browns!!! aaahhhh I'm literally going insane because brown people have made me an incel aaaahhhh!!!
A cigar, for the gentlemen?

>>18117346
>forgot pic
FUCK

>>18117266
Rights aren't predicated on any of those things and you know it.
You also ought to be glad otherwise your 2-digit IQ ass would be denied them.

>>18117346
If I can't have more "rights, privileges, freedom" or whatever other spooky word for power than anyone else then.. how about..

Nobody can.

>>18117351
That's fine so long as most other people are denied them

>>18116638 (OP)
Really funny when chuddies say edgy shit like this but then cry when jews trample on their rights. If you're a racist, you're spiritually jewish.

>>18117359
>if I can't have candy, why the FUCK should be Billy be allowed to have candy??
This is called the childhood ego. Time to grow up, champ.

>>18117366
>I'd rather live in North Korea if it means other people are denied the same freedumbsfreedoms,
I mean, you're more than welcome to move...

>>18117367
I'm not racist I do realize some people are better than others, and this ought to be better represented in basedciety but it isn't really.

>>18117369
>>18117371
Why bother? It's gradually turning into this with the rich getting richer and the poor and getting poorer.

I, the OP, am the only honest one here despite my faggot takes on this whole thing. Berate me all you want Anons but our current suoyciety as it stands, is a facade.

>>18117382
Facts, but we're objectively in the middle of a social paradigm shift right now. The 2020's are one of *those* decades.

>>18117396
>suoyciety
I was in my 20's once too anon, and we thought the same thing then.

>>18117401
I just turned 30, Anon..

>>18117407
And you're *still* in this mindset? kek
Let me guess, no gf?

>>18117415
Why does it matter?

>>18117418
Why else would you be so butthurt about the Enlightenment?

>>18117426
I'm butthurt about it because I don't think just anyone should have power over me just because they're elected, selected, or appointed by a mass appealing to the lowest common denominator or that I should be treated as the "supposed" average composite that "rights" are "supposed" to be for. All of this was a mistake and I would prefer Huxley's Brave New World rather than this one which tries to make up for the pitfalls of the average person within a democratic system as ours.

>>18117444
>I would prefer Huxley's Brave New World
Than do something to make it a reality. Only option there is.

>>18116638 (OP)
The Enlightenment is too broad to be dumbed down as the foundation of the cosmpolitan liberal state. For instance, early Enlightenment liberalism is part of what eventuality gave birth to Nationalism, Fascism, and Marxism. Fichte, Hobbes, and Hegel being foundational figures of these movements.

You might also be conflating Nazi Germany's loss with the rise of cosmpolitanism, and put that blame on liberalism. And yet you are already under the impression which the French Revolution had imposed on your mind. You fail to recognize perhaps that England is comfortable with their liberal-bourgeois republican state, but it might not be for Germany or Italy. This is also a fundamental aspect of the nationalist worldview: genuine pluralism and respect for difference of viewpoints, rather than trying to impose a single ideal, French Revolutionary or Wilsonian, on everybody else.

>>18117452
But really I think existence, particularly the human kind, is kind of overrated and a joke. So I don't really want to do anything to advance it I would rather if it would just end completely.

>>18117469
>I would rather if it would just end completely.
The weaklings choice, I see. Weak men and all that kek

>>18117506
Humanity is a weak, vulnerable species after all, criticizing itself for anything, and changing to compensate no matter what. Let's just be done with insanity and put it to rest why don't we.

>>18117524
>t. Mathew McConnaughey in True Detective

>>18117097
you bothered responding because it's not gibberish
die

>>18116758
Hobbes. Locke is so worthless and derivative beyond understanding the inspiration for the American founding. Hobbes was a coward but he captured secularized absolutism to a T and by doing so the foundation of the next 400 years of political history.

>>18116638 (OP)
>What are some other things that the Enlightenment got wrong?
That scientific-technological progress will lead to a universal society of affluence and peace, only to entrench established and new inequalities and enabled totalitarianism.