Thread 18128511

I would just like to remind you all that all of the stories in the Bible were read completely literally until science caught up and we realized the world wasn't really created in 6 days, there wasn't really a global flood etc.

Based and true

>>18128511 (OP)
>I would just like to remind you all that all of the stories in the Bible were read completely literally
1. They still are.
2. People who hate God have always denied the truth of his word. You're not special.
>until science caught up
Riddle me this. Is the following a valid syllogism:
>Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius
>Therefore I should hate God and shove things up my rectum
?
Enjoy Hell.

>>18128511 (OP)
Science must have caught up over a thousand years ago then, because symbolic interpretations were completely usual and famously used for the 6 days creation in particular by the likes of Clement of Alexandria, Augustine of Hippo and Origen.

Literalism is a modern cope. And you fell for it.

>>18128518
>every opponent of the Bible is a reddit fedora cheeto dust stoner homosexual

>>18128524
The west is going through the same decline Islam went by the end of the Middle Ages, see OP(faggot doomposting rationalist) and >>18128518( religious fanatic retard).
God damn it Spengler was right once more.

>>18128518
I look like that and say that.

>>18128661
>doomposting
I don't feel like a doomposter. I am more optimistic and live out my optimism by opposing backwards and evil belief systems.

>>18128511 (OP)
koran is much worse

>>18128518
Is the earth around 6,000 years old? Yes or no.
Is the story of Noah's flood literal? Yes or no.
Did Jonah live within a giant fish/whale? Yes or no.

>>18128518
>People who hate God
Stopped reading. Your IQ is less than 84.

>>18128524
However the church fathers may have quibbled over the definition of a "day" in the days of creation, the simple fact is ecclesiastics from Iberia to the Caucasus treated the events of the Old Testament as more-or-less literal.

"Everyone knew the bits that don't match the science/archaeological record was *really* just allegorical in nature" has always been cope from embarrassed modern Christians.

>>18128518
Spot on.

>>18128518
You can either wait for the worms or actively feed them, boss. The choice is yaws.

>>18128511 (OP)
Ackshully... the Norse and even Indian mythology is standing out more and more like the more correct interpretations of our quantum realities.
Where hellenic mythology referenced planets as God's the Norse had an intuition about the quantum states and time lines being spun and woven.
Abrahamic faiths are so violently to the point of being right that they forbid praising the other God's as the first commandment and then follows it up with so much contradictory moral it has basically become a tragic joke of itself today.

>>18129199
My post was about the six days of creation, not about all OT temporal data in general, you're mixing together different issues. I am completely ready to grant you that most of the OT was read in the sense of calendar days, weeks, months and years. What I'm not granting you is the anachronistic projection of literalism.

We today split interpretations into literal and allegorical. They didn't. The symbolic paradigm doesn't yield to this kind of dualism and that's why the Fathers didn't have to "quibble" over definitions and didn't have to wonder where the "literal" parts end and where the "allegorical" begin. So I again have to agree with you - "everything has been allegorical all this time" is a cope. It's been symbolic.

>>18128786
Yes. Yes. Yes.

>>18129223
>What is Social Constructionism
>What is an Antedeluvian Tower of Babel Project per JPF/Project Bluebeam?
Yawn. You see, there is the virgin memorizer of distilled "empirical facts" from strictly curated institutional sources and there is the chad associative reasoner whose powers of pattern recognition transcend even the stoned fever dreams of hyperterrestrial "creatives". Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine.

>>18128518
>>Therefore I should hate God and shove things up my rectum
lmao

>>18128511 (OP)
The guy who came up with the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

>>18128669
I am sure your optimism and the policies it implies have made many westerners happy.

>>18129286
Oh, ok, so Jesus is a 7th eyed lamb made of bread, got it.

>>18129704
And he literally came back from the dead. In our world, literally. Pound sand.

>>18128786
No. No. Yes.

>>18129708
>And he literally came back from the dead. In our world, literally.
Rather, a book says he did.

>>18128518
I look like this and make e-christians on 4chan/twitter seethe like this

>>18129725
Does Rolling Rock still exist? I haven't seen it in at least a decade. I saw a six pack at a friend's in 2013 as my last clearly datable memory of it existing. I didn't have one, as it seemed odd then.

>>18128518
>fedora meme no. 294568346
The whole "elightened euphoria fedora" thing is the only cultural victory Christians have won in the last fifty years and they still unironically think it's relevant in 2025, I fully expect them to still be smugly spamming "you wear le meme hat" at everything that makes them sad fifty years from now, assuming Christianity still even exists at that point

>>18129846
>you're a jew,
>you're a larpagan,
>you're an atheist,
>you're a jeet,
>that's not real christianity,
>Those weren't jews those were israelites,
>modern jews and ancient jews are not the same.
>reddit

Make this a note and you'll soon realize its all christians on here do.

>>18129484
>empirical facts
Ancient legends were told to people in ways that resonated with their still primitive grasp of the natural order.
What eventually stuck with the Mesopotamic mind (after centuries of urbanization) was the simplicity of heaven vs hell.
>do this and that which makes you a good goy
>doing this or that makes you a bad goy
It was a convenient narrative for the cities kings.
The naturally grounded religions like the Norse and Hinduism have that intricate interaction between Gods that becoming desert dictators couldn't allow. They instead required the full devotion as resources became more scarce, by floods, famines and desertification.
The natural religions multifaceted takes on the creation of our universe is more in line with what new fundamental physics (like Emergence theory) suggests: different time trajectories through the E8 lattice. The Norse talked about a world tree branching out, nornors spinning and weaving the fate of individuals, passages and portals between the realms.
It's just more accessible with the development of science we have today.

>>18128511 (OP)
>6 days
It's true. But God's days are longer than human days

>>18129879
Hinduism and Hellenic has the rivers as a frequent branching portals to different realms.
If is natural elements important for life and serves well for maintaining by primitive people. With Christianity just claiming the Earth was not the center of the universe had become terribly controversial for the megalomaniac Abrahamic clergymen.
Today we are becoming enlightened and it isn't any longer exclude humanity's pagan world views but rather augmenting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZOhKnu4PJw

>>18129879
>biological AI

>>18128511 (OP)
>>18129199


>all of the stories in the Bible were read completely literally until science caught up and we realized the world wasn't really created in 6 days

This literally isn't true tho. I study Old Norse religious literature and I was poking through the 13th ON version of genesis literally today. The relevant bit goes:

Eigi skulum ver þann skilningh edr hugleiðing á hafa […] sealfs hans .vi. daga verkum. at þau hafi likamligh sua sem stundligt ok timalight tal ok ordatiltæki uerit eptir þui sem hinn heilagi Augustinus byskup segir

'We should not have that understanding or conception […] of his six days’ work that they were therefore physical, worldly and temporal according to that which the holy bishop Augustine says.'

The bible is an evil book that promotes child abuse and human sacrifice

>>18129852
Golems are schizophrenic
Reading the bible causes schizophrenia btw

>>18129704
Enjoy burning.

>>18128511 (OP)
>jews aren't the "chosen people"
Agree with you on that much.

>>18130820
Demon of the christ spotted
Standard golem operating procedure, vainly threaten with torture

>>18128511 (OP)
The world really was created in 6 days, there really was a global flood, and the Church hasn't bought the lies of the Science
I don't know why you keep pointing at syncretists like they're Christianity when they openly don't care about the bible anyways.

>>18129227
>>18130699
Have we got any of the church fathers dismissing adam and eve in the garden, noah, the exodus etc as mere allegories, or are you just going to reiterate the same point about the fathers
>yeah well who even knows what a 'day' means to the Almighty? checkmate, atheists
shit you faggots always spam when there is very clear evidence of a literal interpretation of everything after the six days?

>>18130829
Euler was a pious Christian as well.
As was Faraday, as was Cauchy.

Most Scientists were Christian because it makes the most sense.

>>18130829
Throw away your phone and computer and dont drive a car because science is fake

>>18130854
Gravity is just a scientific theory. The bible does not mention gravity. Jump oft a bridge and maybe king kike will send an angel to save you.

>>18128511 (OP)
There were a lot of global floods though, many of them occurring before modern humans existed but one occurred about ~12kya and is postulated to be the origin of the biblical flood and other similar myths in different cultures around the world.

>>18130857
I think the devil said this exact line before, I actually I know he did.

>>18130836
>Have we got any of the church fathers dismissing adam and eve in the garden
No, because that would be heresy. There was an Adam and an Eve.

>>18131728
And the definition of "whole world" was different in their mind than it is in hours. Similar to how "Alexander the Great conquered the whole world" while they were aware about India and that there were things in the West

>>18129879
>biological AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxB9My-ijos

>>18128511 (OP)
Gnostic chads and probably Paul were interpreting much of the Bible as allegory from the beginning.