Thread 18130128

Gnomes do not exist. Cerberi do not exist. Necromancy does not exist. Talking cats do not exist. Telekinesis does not exist. God does not exist.

Ive practiced necromancy before its pretty real. Stopped after the shadow people wouldnt stop visiting every night probably because i was using magic to troll them during the day

>>18130128 (OP)
Proof?

>>18130128 (OP)
Literally anything exists and has probably already happened or is currently happening. Is Magic so unbelievable when you actually consider just how utterly insane and unlikely this exact circumstance is in a world solely governed by rationality?

>>18130161
>>18130180
>>18130218
Kek I like how before vernonposting, Christians on /his/ were incredibly touchy about people connecting their God and magic, but these days they try to argue magic is real.

>>18130229
There is a division between supernatural and preternatural.

>>18130246
Pixies don't exist. Grow up.

>>18130252
I mean most things probably exist we just can't understand them or observe them, so to us in our purely rational world they do not exist. This emphasis on rationality, furthermore, has largely shuttered our understanding of existing in both a material and immaterial world, but this is uncharacteristic to humanity and fragile itself. To suggest it is axiomatic is as much magical thinking as believing in fairies or vampires.

>>18130229
The Bible says magic is real therefore it is. QED

>>18130265
>if you can't observe something it doesn't exist
A groundbreaking thought indeed

>>18130278
It's refuted even within a purely rational world view. You have these weird little quirks like the information paradox, dimensional physics, dark matter, and dark energy that pretty much directly state that our understanding is incomplete and thus things exist outside of what we are able to observe.

>>18130229
I'm not a christian, in fact I have been ringing the bell about that jew worship for years now.

>>18130300
>dark matter, and dark energy
At least they are observable through equations, they aren't *completely* made up

>>18130300
>dark matter, and dark energy
These are explanations for observable phenomena

>>18130327
I mean they sorta are, a math equation isn't really all that much different from logic at higher levels.

>>18130300
>thus things exist outside of what we are able to observe.
That doesn't mean you can claim something must exist without supporting evidence

>>18130333
They themselves are unobservable. Similar to the fae actually, at least tangentially. Not that either exists for certain or is even necessarily correct.

>>18130336
>They themselves are unobservable
No they aren't; dark matter is visible gravitationally; and dark energy as all energy is a property derived from other observable quantitues

>>18130335
You are sort of trapped in rational thought with this refutation though. There are gaps in rationality which are natural and the consequences of them are observable or at the very least theoretical. I'm not saying you should go full negative dialectic, but it is merit worthy to consider these things before confidently asserting that nothing exists unless you can see it.

>>18130342
Musing on what could be without evidence is something only ph*losopgers would do; no thanks

>>18130342
>trapped
>rational

>>18130347
I just suggest epistemic humility.

>>18130344
Exactly I don't muse, but I also don't refuse the existence of unobservable things.

>>18130348
>epistemic humility
>Aka you must accept every claim without evidence
No

>>18130341
Its impacts are observable, but not what it actually is. This is how metaphysical things work and that much has remained constant.

>>18130352
Can we observe the impact of fairies?

>>18130351
I didn't tell you to do that.

>>18130354
Ancients thought they did, I also don't think they were completely retarded either.

>>18130358
>Ancients thought they did
Ancients thought a lot of things

>>18130352
What do you think observable mrans?

>>18130361
It would be like seeing an invisible hammer set a nail into place. That strikes me as metaphysical at the very least.

>>18130366
>pivots
You didn't answer; what do you think observable means?

>>18130128 (OP)
>God does not exist.
Proofs?

>>18130368
I mean I answered both that and your follow up response with this post >>18130366

>>18130389
>refuses to answer
I accept your concession

>>18130414
ok man, have a nice evening

>>18130161
>the shadow people wouldnt stop visiting every night
These are the Al Zutt fellas.

>>18130352
>Its impacts are observable, but not what it actually is.
This applies to EVERYTHING. Read Kant before mouthing off about shit you know nothing about.

>>18130532
I generally can see what I use to do something before, during, and after.

>>18130128 (OP)
How come secular systems recognize marriage, when love is obviously no more real than fairies and leperchauns?

>>18130300
OK but the solution to explaining dark matter isn't going to be goblins.

>>18130300
>>18130358
If it's unobservable then how did the people hundreds of years ago observe it?

>>18130229
That's because Harry Potter is real.

Those flames just got hotter.

>>18130566
ESL kings rise up.

>>18130128 (OP)
>Gnomes do not exist

OP needs his shit slapped.

>>18130458
In my house, i zutt the zutt

>>18130128 (OP)
>Talking cats do not exist.
Actually this is where you are wrong.

>>18130128 (OP)
You have never studied philosophy. You literally couldn't understand a basic logic problem. lol

>>18130743
I'm not pro-goblin, I'm just saying that there are probably things that exist which you cannot observe and that is probably most things as a proportion of everything which exists.

>>18130755
Well they didn't, they just saw the impacts of something they could not explain or observe and this indicated to them that their understanding of the world was incomplete. Much the same as what we are doing now.

>>18131305
>ummm sweaty I used philosoophy to prove that gnomes are real
This is why nobody takes you seriously, christincel.

>>18131848
Harry Potter is real though. The texts depicting him were written around the same time he lived, as opposed to the texts describing Jesus which were written at least a century after the events they claim occurred. That is why the text of Harry Potter is most likely entirely true and without error.

>>18131860
Can't wait for this to completely derail the thread and make it a unsalvageable shit hole where godjak posters and enjoy hell spammers screech at each other.

God is the simplest explanation for the origin of the universe, which makes it the most likely to be correct. Occam's razor, baby.

>>18130180
Non-existence is the default. You can only prove existence. If something is not then it’s nothing.

>>18130304
I'll pray that you die and go to Hell.

>>18132182
>God is the simplest explanation for the origin of the universe
Only if you want God to exist, otherwise he's just another irrational ex-nihilo nonsense explanation.

>I don't know therefore god
wow so compelling, if I had drunk the kool-aid when I was a kid I'd be right there with you, brother!

>>18131860
You make a convincing point. Furthermore, many of the places mentioned in Harry Potter are known to us through other sources, thereby corroborating the substance of the corpus.

>>18132196
>makes a claim
>can't provide evidence

>>18132232
I’m not the Anon lol, and if I say Santa doesn’t exist will you tell me I need to provide proof?

why is this board such a shit hole?

>>18132270
Christ cucks are a cancer. That’s why. They’re scared of magic lava and have to have faith 100% no matter how retarded they are being. If a Christian believes in God due to evidence then he doesn’t have full trust in his faith, and thus, cannot be saved. This makes them inherently incompatible with the modern scientific intellectual world.