Thread 18137860

Genuine question coming from a Christian perspective; do non Christians, particularly the very large segment of the modern world(athiests, occultists) that are basically rigidly secular, acknowledge that their belief system is just the "natural" inclination of their psyche?

You don't have to try AT ALL to be an agnostic, athiest or a satanist is my central point, it is what you are naturally going to be psychologically inclined towards unless some external forces comes up to you and presents an obligation you have to whoever (God) that you have to respond to in some way.

But we don't actually WANT to live like Christians. It is hard objectively speaking to align with a goal or ambition that does not seem useful psychologicaly.

What is the point of a distinct word for agnosticism, athiesm or basically just "determinism"? The norm is to do what I want, the exception is to do what I don't want to do if it is difficult and there is no psychological reward. eg I don't "know" if turning the other cheek is actually in fact good for me and therefore what I want to do with my life.

It seems the main split in religious attitude isn't a belief in a distinct deity but how one approaches intuitive self gratification versus unintuitive self detrimental obligation. Is this line of thinking on to something?

>>18137860 (OP)
the problem has always been communicating the less acknowledged aspect of revelation theology which is that even though according to the bible the existence of God is still able to be known from the natural world the propensity to resist sin and temptation has always been a divine circle. I ask God to help me resist temptation because he empowers me to ask him, and so then I can commune more with him, but the loop is always closed by the saving power of God himself, never the human mind which is incapable of not soiling itself. It's why Pharoah hardens his heart and then feels compassion and then hardens his heart again, there is no internal logic in human reasoning and it actually is insane. God is sanity and truth

>>18137860 (OP)
Yes you're not the first to point out that slave religion arises from the hatred of humanity and that it has an ass backwards morality. I am pretty helpful to other people, not out of social pressure or because of fear, but because I genuinely enjoy it. Also you know that Christianity is a lie, you just know that it's a convinient mask for your misanthropy.

>>18137860 (OP)
actually you have to delude yourself pretty hard to not know who you are (God)

>>18137920
It is not a hatred of humanity but a hatred of irrational behavior (enslavement to irrational behavior). Doing wrong things is wrong and your conscience knows its wrong, so why do you do it? And before you say that the answer is in some as yet undiscovered social science, and that really it is possible to understand rationally why we all should strive for socially optimal outcomes and not just do fentanyl all day, it's impossible and a category error.

who's really the slave and who's really the master in so called master morality?

>>18137930
can I make a rock so heavy I can't lift it then?

>>18137860 (OP)
I don't like christianity because I see it as jew worship.

>>18137939
But I behave exactly as my conscience tells me. How can humans behaving as they will be irrational given how what they want follows physical processes inside their brains? The fact that your conscience tells you to goon on fentanyl is a YOU problem.

>>18137953
It would be rational in a vacuum. But all of us in the modern world having being exposed to religious thought to varying extents are confronted with assertion (not necessarily true for the purposes of this argument, but it is true) that we are secondary to the divine and receive all good things from him. SO when we respond to that assertion, and there is no such thing as not responding, we will either conform to the formerly unopposed premise that we are basically God, or perform the unintuitive unsatisfying rituals and prayers to conform to the will of the revealed deity.

rejecting the divine is rejecting your existence as an individual because without objective grounding in something benevolent outside of yourself you have no begining and no end and so really do not exist at all. So once exposed to the revelation to reject it is to subscribe to death and to believe it is to subscribe to life and the continuation of your very existence

>>18137997
so really you CAN'T love humans and humanity without being a Christian, it is ontologically impossible. To assume that all human behavior is legitimate is ro assume we don't exist and are puppets in the solipsistic God's (your) fetish and amusement chamber for all eternity... grim!

>>18137997
No you don't understand me, granted it's a subtle point. What standard of rationality can you use that is more rational than humans behaving as the physical processes of their body? Do you rage at humans also because their stomach excretes acid?
>rejecting the divine is rejecting your own existence
What the fuck is this shit? Do you have schizophrenia?