Thread 18144042

How did Gender ideology take over the Humanities so rapidly, when they cannot hold coherent positions from one sentence to the next, they bounce around completely contradictory frameworks and arguments depending on the scrutiny being applied and they so often apply what is clearly a western, post-modernist cultural syndrome to other cultures where gender-non conforming roles are more normalised (Ladyboys, Faafafine, 2S, Sworn Virgins etc) but clearly distinctly relate to other forms of Gender non-conforming rather than a Western medicalised "Gender dysphoria".
It seems so bizarre that anybody who comes and looks at this start from a neutral, viewpoint, can point out the brazen contradictions and incoherence of swaths of Gender ideology when you apply the most basic of rational scrutiny, dialectical materialism or just common sense too it, yet in the humanities, this stuff is treated as holy gospel at this point.
Even just applying extremely basic comparative analysis to Gender ideology sees it crumbling down completely.
It honestly feels like you are taking crazy pills when you hear all the Gender ideology stuff in the humanities and see how it's treated with such zealot devotion at this point because it clearly is nonsensical. How did this ideology gain so much traction?

>>18144042 (OP)
>Faafafine
what? did you have a stroke?

>>18144045
Boys that are raised to be feminine and take on female cultural/social roles in Samoan cultural island communities where too many boys have been born and the island's gender ratio is out of wack.

>>18144042 (OP)
Because Jews, namely Kabbalists, already had ideas of gender-esque dualism during the last few centuries. Feminism just made it easy to spread their views of gender in modern consciousness.

>>18144042 (OP)
A lot of what is believed in the Humanities are fads rather than based on evidence or anything of the kind.

Let's think about Psychology. An area that unlikely the Humanities have data and evidence.
Think about Maslow's hierarchy of needs in Psychology. Or about Gardner's multiple intelligence thing. They don't have empirical support. But they became mainstream for a while.

And there are many other examples. The 1960s and 1970s were a weird time for this.

>Transgenderism trying to position itself as a universal "identity" rather than a mental illness or fetish. Which it literally is, it's literally Dysphoria, no different from Body Integrity Identity Disorder or Anorexia Nervosa.
>The Left and many in the humnaities being unable to "Gatekeep" due to toxic inclusivity and leftist internal hostility against being critical of a "universal identity" even if it doesn't align to Feminist or Maxists conceptions of gender and social development.
>Tumblr roleplay identities and communities removed from their original context and then pushed through academia as Tumblrites grew from their teen years into their 20s and 30s and went through academia and got academic and HR and NGO jobs.
>Because Trasngenderism is now seen as an "identity" attached to the LGB movement, it's been codified into "law" under equalities in places like Europe and you are now risking a career to criticize gender ideology.

>>18144057
Actual theorist Feminists tend to be very gender critical because Troonery erases a lot of feminist conceptions of misogyny and sex/gender formation and dynamics.
In the UK for example, it was Feminists that got Trans privileges laws overturned because they harmed the rights of women.

>>18144042 (OP)
Divide and rule

>>18144102
This. The modern left is more misogynstic than the modern right, the modern left is more authoritarian than the modern right, and the modern left is more religious, as well as more autistically obsessed with purity than the modern right. Troons existed during the Russian empire as a weird christian sect, but Lenin came in and removed them as a sort of damnatia et memoriae, it's weird how this phenomenon exists everywhere.

>>18144101
>>18144111
You guys just haven't realized that yesterdays conservatism is today's leftism
"Deny what you see with your very own eyes"

>>18144113
Marxist Feminist theorist Ashley Frawley said this
>Tradition and culture, from this perspective, are distorting forces that lead to poor choices and an inability to adapt. Transition signifies letting go of these old attachments. In this regard, transgenderism epitomizes a model of subjectivity prized by technocratic elites: malleable, untethered from tradition, and committed to an endless project of self-creation. Gender-identity literature emphasizes that “coming out” is not a one-time act but a lifelong process across ever-changing jobs, homes, and relationships, implying an ideal subject ever ready to adapt themselves to an ever-changing world. A fluid subject for a fluid world.
>This is the ideal political subject for today’s postliberal managerialism: heteronomous and willing to doubt its own judgment and intuition. People need not transition to live up to its ideals. By accepting the assertion that I cannot know the gender of the person sitting in front of me, I am accepting that I must doubt the evidence of my own eyes and look to others for an official line on reality. Nor can tradition or common sense tell me how to understand and treat others: I must look now to new official guidelines for the correct language and rituals. And since these are always changing, I must be ever alert, ever malleable, ever willing to shift to new truths.
>The embrace of gender identity, then, isn’t a cultural detour but the very logic of contemporary technocratic rule: distrustful of ordinary people, hostile to autonomy, obsessed with management. UNESCO’s work in Africa shows how global this project has become. When schools without plumbing receive gender-identity curricula, it becomes clear this is not about local need. It is about making new kinds of people suited to a new kind of world-building, which no longer happens in bricks and steel but inside people’s heads.

>>18144042 (OP)
Gender ideology may seem like an entirely new phenomenon but as a wise historian once said there is nothing new under the sun. The degenerating Greeks normalized faggotry too. Next thing that happened they got conquered by the Persians, then the Persians became faggots too and to end it all Alexander the Great slained them both, Southern Greek faggots and the Persian faggots and ruled supreme until becoming a faggot himself.
The Romans arrived on Greek territory, where they found nothing but faggots, so they slaughtered them and all the Mediterranean wich was full of faggots, except for the Romans, who slaughtered them all simply for not being faggots. Guess what happened. The Romans became trans, elected a trans Emperor, and next thing that happened, guess what, the VRILE Celts allied with the Germanics to slaughter the faggot Romans and finally bring an end to faggotry on EVROPEAN TERRVTORY.
1200 years had to pass until the Germanic race became gay itself. It is only a matter of time until a whiter conqueror punishes our wet bussies.

It's all bad faith. Trannies and Handmaidens can't do anything but argue in bad faith because they know that they are really just weaving a cover story for AGP, Degen Gays and Autism.
This is the same reason most Trannies and Handmaidens will deny AGP even exists even though the majority of trannies openly identify with it in their own communities. Pure bad faith because they know if the general public start critically thinking about AGP, it basically opens up the reality that Trans are genuinely subjecting non-consenting participants, including children, to a sexual fetish that is giving them "Gender Euphoria" (boners).

>>18144042 (OP)
The feminisation of society and the dominance of female traits (no objectivity, excess empathy, poor reasoning, no long-term thinking, etc). Most problems can be traced to this.

Obligatory "not every woman", but we're dealing with holistic categories here.

I do wonder when it will shift back to being normal. Already happening in the UK I guess.

>>18144042 (OP)
People who work in the humanities tend to be liberal and liberals worship Oppressed Minorities. Trans people are part of the LGBT group and are often seen as THE number one most oppressed minority due to the massive victim complex the Ts possess.

Universities got (and still get) points in rankings based on nothing but sheer volume of new research produced and citations that work gets. And those rankings translate into more local gibs, grants and funding from clueless businessmen who just look at ranking numbers and don't actually know shit about what is going on in universities.

>>18144399
Women are more long term thinkers then men. The amount of men ruining their lives for impulsive shit (either for women or in a fight or being drunk) is astonishing. Women know better and less ADHD in general.

>>18144057
>Because Jews
stopped reading

>>18144042 (OP)
>put together a bunch of mildly related positions
>call it "gender ideology"
>mfw gender ideology is inconsistent
You're right to criticize many of the "progressive" ideas floating around about gender, but you cannot really hold people accountable for what other people with similarly flavored positions said. I myself happen to think that gender is a spectrum. Am I part of this gender ideology? Will you assume I believe in child transitions?

>>18144042 (OP)
>implying your "neutral viewpoint" isn't just a cope for being mad that your boomer-tier "common sense" got BTFO'd by actual analysis

>they cannot hold coherent positions
The whole point is that gender isn't some immutable, coherent biological law. It's a social construct. The "contradictions" you seethe about are just you failing to grasp that it's analyzing a fluid, messy human reality, not a set of rigid rules for you to own with gotchas.

>muh other cultures
You literally proved the ideology's point by listing examples of non-binary roles across cultures. The fact that different societies construct gender differently is exactly what validates the core argument that it's not a simple biological binary. You're using their own evidence while having a total brainlet moment.

>muh western post-modernist cultural syndrome
Says the guy applying a western, enlightenment-era "rational scrutiny" and "dialectical materialism" as the one true way to see the world. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The humanities moved on from your dead, reductionist frameworks because they were inadequate for explaining complex human experiences.

>zealot devotion
Cope and seethe. It gained traction because your simplistic, materialist worldview was objectively wrong and shit at explaining reality. People actually listened to marginalized groups instead of smug NEETs on the internet thinking they cracked the code with "common sense". Stay mad.

>>18145306
>Says the guy applying a western, enlightenment-era "rational scrutiny" and "dialectical materialism" as the one true way to see the world. The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The humanities moved on from your dead, reductionist frameworks because they were inadequate for explaining complex human experiences.
Ain't reading allat sorry also lmao at the captcha

>>18144101
>mental illness
Nothing special.
You have wild animals who think that they are human beings or any other retard incuding you that genuinely believes with religious fervor that what he feels or thinks matters in grand scheme of things.

>>18144057
You don't know shit about the Kabbalah. Might as well just be a buzzword for "evil mysterious stuff Jews do"

>>18144042 (OP)
>How did this ideology gain so much traction?
It's because white liberal women and men went on an unholy Crusade against Western Culture, Christianity, and what they call the "Patriarchy". Everything is identity politics to them and painting themselves as the victim is the highest ideal. That's why inventing new genders is the new pastime. It's like the Victim Complex Olympics for women and the mentally ill. Everything masculine is demonized in order for women to get revenge on men and take more political power for themselves. It's all bullshit.

They tried to b8 Sidney Sweeney in that GQ interview and she didn't go along with it. Wokeism has lost all of its power now.

>>18144111
they're more racist, too. they believe even if they won't say it outright that POCs are unable to care for themselves and need to be wards of the state.

>>18144113
it's quite strange that some argue things were better and more trad in the 80s when conservatives of that time said contemporary culture was degenerate and the 50s were better and more trad

White men got totally kicked out of the left in the last 12 years.

>>18144042 (OP)
Academia is the worst possible form of popularity contest mixed with special olympics, you have to stand out and whore yourself in increasingly extreme situations to attract funding and be published. Every single field has become a vapid hell but the humanities lended itself more to brightly coloured hair types

>>18145533
Yeah unironically
I'm pretty sure the liberals I knew looked down on me in secret

>>18144042 (OP)
>how
well leftism is a mental disorder so there is that

imagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicks

???

>>18146126
what blew up in Russia today

>>18144120
holy based

>>18144111
It's not weird. What's weird about wanting to transform into something else? Have some imagination anon. What makes it weird is the whole discourse around "real" genders signifying the idiocy of the masses has arrived. None of us is as dumb as all of us.

>>18144042 (OP)
>why would the fields already full of unprovable, subjective, self contradictory tripe adopt the popular and new unprovable, subjective, self contradictory tripe

probe a radfem enough and she'll nearly always admit she wants Chad to show up on a white horse and ride off into the sunset with her, but she's too ugly and maladjusted to get Chad so she just dedicates herself to bringing down the women people would actually want

>>18144112
kek

>>18146351
Feminism is a perfectly logical result of women in 20th century academia. Class based thinking in the 20th century? Wow.

>>18146351
they're entirely women who are bitter about being ugly/fat/molested

>>18144112
crazy how stuff like this has gone from absurd jokes to horrifying reality

>>18144042 (OP)
I have always done my best to keep in line with the classical liberal idea of defending someone's right to say things I disagree with... but I do have to admit, the popularity of this modern gender fucktardery really makes me question those values.

Like, if this level of nonsensical retarded faggotry can get this popular, it makes me think, maybe sometimes you really do need to suppress retards and their retarded ideas.

>>18144079
Psychology still accepts psychoanalysis as a legitimate thing solely because analytics make a lot of money and funnel a portion of it into psychological associations, if any person has a belief in science then a brief look into psychology as a field is going to completely ruin it.

Like take this. A lot of psychologists will declare to you, accordingly with their training that IQ tests are bs and most will not even be familiar with Spearman's Hypothesis(tl dr there's only one type of intelligence and proficiency in all different intellectual tasks will correlate with each other assuming perfectly normal brain with no dysfunctions).
It doesn't matter if they are true or not. What matters is that in most countries, when a kid is send to psychologists because there's a suspicion he has dyslexia, he will be given an IQ tests. On top of that the basis for diagnosing dyslexia is that one or two of the subtests is a statistical deviation below the average results. The kid may be a genius and those particular subtest results may still be above average, but this is a basis for diagnosis. So the psychologists may tell you in your face about multiple intelligences and how the IQ tests are shit, but when it comes to practical problem of determining whether a kid has a cognitive dysfunction or is just stupid they go to the drawer, take out an IQ test and analyse the results with the assumption Spearman's hypothesis is real. It's as if an engineer was taught gravity doesn't exist and he would repeat it in your face, but then it would be used in his calculations.

>>18146373
High tolerance for retardation is the mark of a free society, I think...

>>18146427
>there's only one type of intelligence
what about experience
>they're not equal then
nobody's equal really
>yes well if you eliminate everything, there's only one type
why do that?
>to diagnose retards
I prefer psychology desoo and it seems important if you're not retarded.

>>18145306
>The whole point is that gender isn't some immutable, coherent biological law. It's a social construct.
"Gender" is clearly a mix of Biological and Social processes. You cannot change sex, human biology plays a huge role in how people view the world, behave etc.
In some cultures they believe men can take on a lot of the social roles of women, but they aren't considered "women" but "acting" like women Fa'afafine literally means "to pretend to be a woman".
>You literally proved the ideology's point by listing examples of non-binary roles across cultures. The fact that different societies construct gender differently is exactly what validates the core argument that it's not a simple biological binary. You're using their own evidence while having a total brainlet moment.
Transexualism is still uniquely Western mindset. Other cultures simply show that men can take on some social roles like housework, cleaning, sex work etc. They are not considered women though, basically just gays or sissies.
>Says the guy applying a western, enlightenment-era "rational scrutiny" and "dialectical materialism" as the one true way to see the world.
Because rationality still applies when you are working with frameworks dude. Rational thinking I know is something I know hard for schizo troons.
>It gained traction because your simplistic, materialist worldview was objectively wrong and shit at explaining reality
Please explain why Transracial isn't legitimate.
>People actually listened to marginalized groups instead of smug NEETs on the internet thinking they cracked the code with "common sense". Stay mad.
All they did was have their arm twisted by a bunch of schizos who pretended their schizo delusions made them part of the LGB movement rather than it being a fetish with a literal mental disorder. If you apply basic logic, to gender dysphoria "not being a disorder" then why in fuck is DID or BIID or BD or any other dysphoric condition considered a mental health disorder?

>>18145462
Troonery reinforces patriarchy though as it claims largely that the female experience is entirely socialized, women chose for all of history to be subjugated losers, sexual dimorphism doesn't exist and men should be allowed to erode the small gains women made in the past 100 years.
You now have men entering womens safe spaces, raping women in those safe spaces, you have men claiming they are female by dressing as bimbo sluts and saying that is what female is, you have lesbian definition changed to remove mention of women etc.
Troonism is the ultimate misogynistic moid narcissist movement because it largely exists to erase women from existence. Hence why you have the shitstorms now in leftist political parties whenever anyone says "biological women exist".