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Anonymous No.18144463 [Report] >>18144469 >>18144481 >>18144881 >>18144882 >>18144914 >>18144928 >>18144979
Why did USSR collapsed for no reason?
Anonymous No.18144469 [Report] >>18144610
>>18144463 (OP)
Because their working poor had to work while western working poor could NEET. Retard system.
Anonymous No.18144481 [Report] >>18144979
>>18144463 (OP)
They realized it was a failure and gave up on communism. Yet many westerners still want to try it again because they have brain damage.
Anonymous No.18144564 [Report] >>18144979
>no reason
it was poor, inefficient and corrupt as shit. to the point where the entire nation ate itself out and shitted out the modern russian federation.
Anonymous No.18144610 [Report] >>18144869
>>18144469
The actual reason is as always density. Soviet economy was based on low quality chinesium extraction. When the iron reserves ran out in Ukraine it lost the ability to manufacture commie blocks and this caused economy to fail, poor weather caused lower harvests, the combination of these factors caused shortages and when peak oil happened the economy fell through the floor.
America was able to survive the decline of it's industrial base by creating Jewish industries like finance and healthcare, Soviet Union did not invest in these and died when it ran out of stuff.
Anonymous No.18144869 [Report]
>>18144610
>America was able to survive the decline of it's industrial base by creating Jewish industries
Those who claim to be Jews today have nothing to do with the ancient or biblical Jews actually.
Anonymous No.18144881 [Report]
>>18144463 (OP)
You need fear and strength to enforce mumbo jumbo that goes against reality, such as socialism. If you do a Perestroika, your system collapses
Anonymous No.18144882 [Report]
>>18144463 (OP)
According to liberals, it's nationalism. According to nationalists, it's multiculturalism. According to Hitler, it was the Volkisch Theory of Race.
Anonymous No.18144914 [Report]
>>18144463 (OP)

It collapsed because its leaders got soft and sold out.
Anonymous No.18144928 [Report] >>18144950
>>18144463 (OP)
Gorbachev
Anonymous No.18144950 [Report] >>18144979
>>18144928
What was Gorbachëv wrong about again? If he went full Ceauşescu, he woud end up like Ceauşescu. He coud be more radical I guess, but there was still opposition from within the party.
Anonymous No.18144979 [Report] >>18144998 >>18145063 >>18145225
>>18144463 (OP)
Gorbachev got convinced by social-democracy and decided to open up to political critique. This instantly caused the soviet republics to go full nationalists. This followed years of economic liberalization that had been complete failures in the USSR and which has strained even more the nationalist tensions.
Then Yeltsin did an semi-official treaty disbanding the USSR behind Gorbachev's back.

>>18144950
He was retarded about his reforms. The major problem that the USSR faced was economic mismanagement, not a lack of liberalism. He could've went the route that Andropov had followed : modernize the feedback-loops with technology like the gosplan, create incentives for industry managers to perform well with bonuses and better metrics (campaign against corurption, more autonomy for managers, better metrics, campaign against absenteeism and alcoholism), allow for technocrats rather than ideologues to run the economy with a focus on performance etc.
The problem is that Gorby belonged to the leningrad school iirc which were basically neoliberals with ties to the CIA. When he got to power, he started privatizing the economy which caused it to worsen, and he allowed for political liberalization, which allowed for nationalist voices to be heard.

>>18144564
>>18144481
The USSR's failure was due to an inside coup (through gorbachev and yeltsin). Most people simply didn't think that the alternatives were better or thought that the system had to be readjusted rather than destroyed.
Anonymous No.18144998 [Report] >>18145053
>>18144979
>The major problem that the USSR faced was economic mismanagement, not a lack of liberalism.
>The major problem that junkies face is deteriorating health, not addiction to dangerous substances
Anonymous No.18145053 [Report] >>18145075
>>18144998
Singapore, China, Seychelles, and arab petrostates disprove this.
What matters is economic management. Most asian societies are completely illiberal in practice because of cultural norms (Japan hasn't switched their ruling parties practically since inception) but they still managed to get rich because strategic economic planning was done.
Anonymous No.18145063 [Report] >>18145080
>>18144979
>Radio Free
>Radio Liberty
Literally an outed CIA asset btw.
Anonymous No.18145075 [Report] >>18145090 >>18145201
>>18145053
All of these are market systems. Markets are fundamental. Central planning never worked except maybe the pre-industrial states.
Anonymous No.18145080 [Report]
>>18145063
> CIA asset hyping up communism
based?
Anonymous No.18145090 [Report] >>18145236
>>18145075
> USSR
from feudal shithole to beating the us into space in 40 years. Built a massive industrial base that stopped the nazi war machine dead.

> China
poverty-stricken backwater to global manufacturing superpower and leader in green tech, infrastructure, and 5g in 30 years. Lifted 800 million out of poverty.

This isn't ...never worked.... but the fastest and largest prosperity in human history. Crack a book that isn't published by the Prager U.
Anonymous No.18145201 [Report]
>>18145075
You literally equated a lack of liberalism to "addiction to dangerous substances". Markets are necessary imo but liberalism isn't at all.
Anonymous No.18145225 [Report]
>>18144979
>russian government is corrupt
>btw let's vote for the same guy three times in a row and change the constitution so he can rule for two more terms
i think russians are just made for dictatorships
Anonymous No.18145236 [Report] >>18145275 >>18145289
>>18145090
>from feudal shithole to beating the us into space in 40 years. Built a massive industrial base that stopped the nazi war machine dead.
Industrialization was already happening in the Russian Empire and production actually fell under war communism. That implies that without Stalin industrialization would happen even faster.
>poverty-stricken backwater to global manufacturing superpower and leader in green tech, infrastructure, and 5g in 30 years. Lifted 800 million out of poverty.
Thanks to Deng Xiaoping and free makets. Prior to that Mao engineered the greatest famine in human history. Thanks for proving my point.
Anonymous No.18145275 [Report] >>18145289
>>18145236
>free markets
china bans lots of foreign companies from entering china due to "national security" and half of their companies are state-owned.
Anonymous No.18145289 [Report] >>18145293
>>18145236
not him but:
>Industrialization was already happening in the Russian Empire and production actually fell under war communism.
totally wrong, russia went from a feudal backwater getting its resources extracted to an industrial powerhouse faster than any country at the time. under stalin's 5 year plans, industry was growing at over 300% annually, and that's according to western textbooks
>>18145275
exactly. the western powers also were highly protectionist during their development and correctly saw govt economic control as crucial to that process.
Anonymous No.18145293 [Report] >>18145299
>>18145289
>faster than any country at the time
Japan developed just as fast from the same level, but with greater productivity and without destruction of agriculture.
Anonymous No.18145299 [Report]
>>18145293
life in the japanese empire made the soviet union look like a walk in the park