Why you should not trust youtube shills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284

Do not worry pressure levels. 1024 is more than enough.
Remember to ignore all chinese shills. They often post paid twitter promos from random artists. It's all shilling, ignore it.

Recommended tablets:

>Screenless:
Used Intuos 3, 4, 5, Pro, One by Wacom

>Display:
Small (10-11"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
Medium (12-16"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 1-5
Large (22"+): Cintiq 22, Cintiq Pro 27

Avoid:

>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand making Wacom imitations
Poor build quality, pens with wavy lines, wobbly nibs, broken tilt, issues registering light pressure, terrible customer support, uncalibrated displays. All Chinese brands have the same problems. Check out the webm to understand how bad they are.
Do not be fooled by myths like "Chink companies are just as good as Wacom now" - they've been saying this for over 10 years, nothing has changed.
Chinese companies have also been proven to shill on 4chan. You will see dozens upon dozens of posts in this thread by a chinese schizo shill, who will either be bitching about the OP, gaslighting as a Wacom fan, making pointless spam posts or giving terrible advice (like recommending Huion). Just ignore and report him.

>New iPads
Massively overpriced and overhyped.

>Microsoft Surface Pro
More optimized for palm rejection than good quality drawing. Wobbly lines when drawing slow and straight.

>Cintiq 13-16"
Completely outclassed by the Galaxy Tab Ultra & iPad

>Cintiq Pro 16, 24, 32
Overpriced, QC issues, loud fans, proprietary mount interface

>Lenovo
Worse than Samsung in every way.

Previous: >>7531753

>>7554835 (OP)
>Check out the webm to understand how bad they are

is an ipad air 11 inch worth getting purely for sketchbook purposes? just like bringing it to work to draw or when i travel

Remember anons, the jannies knew of the guzzler but they ignored his spam on purpose.

Just bought a used Cintiq 22 off Gumtree for the equivalent of $370 USD. Seemed like a pretty good deal to me.

There is a good deal on ebay for used/refurbished Cintiq 24 Pros but I'm really put off by the proprietary mounting bracket. I'll gladly take the worse colors, resolution and parallax if it means I get a stand and other mounting options.

>>7554836
Anyone know if the Bosto 12HD-A tablet has this issue? I need concrete proofs before I pull the trigger to buy one.

I have an s6 lite and I've been thinking of upgrading to the s9 ultra so I can draw on a bigger canvas and have more layers. Is it possible to draw at a 4000x4000 canvas comfortably? I don't like being stuck at a max of 2500x1500 just so I can avoid crazy lag.

>>7555036
Why is he like this? What does he have to gain? Why have the jannies never dealt with him?
I like how he removed the "schizo" part when he copied the deco pro post.

>>7555954
Jannies deleted some of the replies here calling them and the schizo out. A thread calling out the state of the board was also deleted, not before some butthurt jannies replying to it. This won't change.

im considering getting a deco pro gen 2, or are the used overpriced wacom tablets still better?
thanks

>>7554835 (OP)
as a /beg/ am i going to regret getting the S9+ (12.4") over the S9 Ultra (14.6")? i see everyone drawing and painting on fuckhuge screens. am i just coping by trying to find a middle ground between a desktop and portable drawing station or does everyone else use separate devices for each?

>>7554835 (OP)
I have a 2024 s6 kite, what's the best app for drawing on it? It's a bit dated and slow

>>7557161
Lite*

>>7556058
decided on getting used 2017 pro M for a decent price, your schizo advertising worked on me

>>7557028
Rethink the "portable" aspect, whether it's a handheld gaming device, or a laptop or a tablet, do you really draw or do work away from your desk? I remember trying to finish assignments on my phone while commuting, and I seldom got any more than two sentences done. I highly doubt you will appreciate a mobile drawing device unless your job actually pays you to take flights across the world and crash at hotels.

I'm desperately trying to find a decent option, got a cheap 100$-200$ XP-Pen tablet a couple of years and it was garbage, the lines all lag and the screen often flickers.
Legit waste of money.
But holy fuck every recommended option here is nearly a thousand.
The medium category would seem like the best option but I cannot find the S8 Ultra anywhere, it seems to be so old it might just not be available anymore.The one I can find is the 10 and that one is nearly a thousand.
There's no way this is the cheapest non-shit option one can get.
A friend also recommended the newer Wacom display tablet One, at 300$ it's much cheaper than the Tab S Ultra and Wacom used to be pretty reliable but it's not even listed on the OP which makes me wonder when was the last time it was updated.
Does anyone have experience with the Wacom One? If it's not shit and at least decent it might be one of the best options under the thousand dollar range at the moment which is a range really lacking decent options. There's also the Cintiq at 500$ which is a littler pricier but still not even close to the 1000$ range.
Any opinions on those two would be very appreciated.

>>7560781
Ok disregard this post, I only checked the OP and the replies but didn't read the screencaps.
So the One is garbage too? Damn that's a fucking shame.
I guess I'll wageslave and save for a fucking thousand to get the samsung ones.

Ok this might be the last decent sub $1,000.00 hope.
Is it usable? The biggest issue with all the other options is the unbearable lag. I don't care if the colors are no the best or if the quality is a little lacking as long as it gets the basic job done.

ive owned my xp pen deco 03 for about 2-3 years, i still have my wacom intuos s in my closet. is it worth going back? im fine with xp pen but sooner or later all the nubs are going to be pretty shit from heavy use.

I've currently got a 1st gen iPad Pro, been using it for Procreate mainly, just fooling around trying to keep my drawing habits from getting completely rusted over. I want to begin experimenting and learning stuff like Clip Studio Paint and 3d modeling programs like Zbrush, but they won't run on that old an iPad. Should I just upgrade to a 3rd or 4th gen used Pro and sit on that, or stick with the 1st gen until it dies out finally and upgrade then?

>>7554835 (OP)
>Small (10-11"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
As someone who actually got this one (2022 version), it's basically only really good for taking notes and that's about it. Maybe I'm just using it wrong or something but the palm rejection is temperamental at best, and I feel the general accuracy depends on with which leg it got out of the bed.

>>7561158
can someone confirm this, i was about to get one of these off ebay b/c it is only like $150 for a non-cracked one
I saw the palm rejection being a problem in a video as well

>>7560788
All the older Cintiqs had poor response times for monitors, and they were the best at the time

I found this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHOxKA1GPs
If you can't buy a good enough drawing glove, you will have to make your own; unless anyone here knows one you can buy that "just werks"

After reviewing most options it seems like the Tab S10 Ultra might be the best option. Everything else shows some lag issues which is a deal breaker for me and iPad support might not be ideal if my PC runs windows.
The other options are way too expensive for me. This one is around $1,000 which is still a lot but I could afford it if it's really worth it as an investment.
My only concern is the connectivity to PC. I plan to use it just as a second monitor so I can run Clip studio on my PC.
How well does it work in that way?

>>7561853
Just get an S8/S9 ultra for 500 bucks second hand, dude. I can't imagine buying the newest version that's barely any better for 2-3x the cost, the nice thing about Android is you don't get the apple retardation tax so you can buy a second hand model for a sane price tag.

do you guys use the felt tip for the intuos pro screenless tablets? shit's so rough when do you actually use them

>>7561866
Tried it once. Felt (heh) like rubbing two pieces of styrofoam together. Never fucking again.

How bad is it to try using a screened tablet as a screenless tablet? Im thinking about selling my cintiq16 and getting a intuos something but im not sure, I wanna try screenless first,
I felt more precise when I used a bamboo to play osu honestly...
Also, I see the cintiq16 is rated outclassed,, is it that bad?

>>7554835 (OP)
Anybody knows where the fuck you can still get a 3in1 cable for a Cintiq 13HD? Looks like the supply has finally run dry.

I have a Kamvas RDS-220 and quickly drawing small C shapes always creates a new line that snaps to the start of the C shapes and turns them into D shapes, is that a hardware error or just bad build quality by default

>>7554840
If you have the money, absolutely. If you only want it to sketch things, I wouldn't get anything too new. an M1 is more than enough and future proof enough for years for only sketching

>>7562195
I love my cintiq 16 but I'm old af so to me it's still an upgrade even 5 years later. That being said, I get wanting to get a screenless tablet, getting used to it is very different for everyone but if you already like it more for playing stuff like osu, then you probably won't have much of a difficulty getting used to it since you already developed eye hand cordination with the stylus

>>7561853
>My only concern is the connectivity to PC. I plan to use it just as a second monitor so I can run Clip studio on my PC.
How well does it work in that way?
Not as good as native monitor tablet. If you use the samsung app it comes with there's lag, there's this app called "Super Display" that let's you use a usb c (given it has video capabilities) as a means to connect it to your PC, thus is a lot better but there's still more lag than with a regular screen tablet and with both, the pen pressure is a bit different thanks to the lag. Plus Super Display is a paid app. 10 bucks last time I checked and sadly it doesn't have dev support anymore but it's still the best option. And it can save you on a pinch but if you want no lag whatsoever with windows... Well, that's pretty much impssible because it's an OS problem that for some reason Android and iOS/iPadOS don't have, but even then it depends on the app. In the Samsung Galaxy S10, the only app with no lag at all is the Samsung notes, the rest have some barely perceptible lag, but lag none the less.
Still it's a great tablet but I also agree with >>7561862 especially because the processor in the S10 is barely a sidegrade compared to the S9 since the chip is more geared towards the AI functions, so no real gains in any other fields, in fact is worse for gaming, for example. Plus you can get some really good sales for the S9 and S8 even brand new. I got mine (an S9) with a 40% discount when the S10 came out and I've had no problem what so ever. RAM tends to be more important. Also if you can, buy a wacom one pen, but the old one, the one with the white top and black tip but try to use an EMR lammy safari nib. Or a felt tip with a paper textured screen protector. The s-pen is great but it's calibrated for writing so the lines tend to be thinner than what they would be with any other pen when you draw lightly. And the wacom one pen is like 20 usd so it's not too much for a way more comfortable drawing experience

Is there actual much difference with ipad/samsung? Work is paying for a tablet so I can get either
I get the m4 in the ipad is faster but the pen feels like a lump of hard fucking plastic compared to the one on the samsung and my hand is laready fucked up due to nerve damage and after about 30 seconds it fucks me over. I tried the samsung one and didn't have much issue

It looks like CSP is on both and even then infinite paint is basically android procreate?

I'm still learning to draw but am getting a tablet from work for other reasons so figured I might as well ask

>>7563338
There are differences but for drawing purposes, not many. Both are great for that but having used both, I personally prefer samsung but the ipad is great too. M4 is overkill for drawing and you also need to buy the most expensive apple pencil if you wanna draw on it. But since you said the samsung feels good to you with your condition, that's the one I'd go with

>>7563328
A native monitor tablet sounds great but sadly the good ones seem to cost thousands and all cheaper models have horrible tracking lag with the cursor always trailing behind the pen and I already got a shitty 200$ chinese tablet that works as a monitor and I cannot draw that way, huge waste of money. If there was a better option I'd go for that.
I am hoping at least the lag on this these tablets is more bearable.
Buying used hardware is scary, the new ones are $1000 and used old ones are $500 so it's really tempting but if I'm unlucky and it doesn't work I will wish I had just gotten a new one.

I scored myself an Intuos Pro tablet from Goodwill the other day for, like, seven or eight bucks. Hell of a steal, but it came without a pen. I don't mind since it DID come with the wireless kit.

Anyways, I just wanted to ask if I'd have any trouble finding a replacement pen, stand, etc. And, if anybody has any model numbers I can plug into eBay, please do share.

>>7563338
I'm a trad guy but found no difference between the Samsung Tabs and the iPads I tried.

I remember enjoying the drawing experience on a meager S6 lite..

>>7563980
this site has a good combatibility list with model numbers, bit outdated though (last updated 2020). shouldn't be too hard to find one that works on an Intuos Pro on ebay.
https://machollywood.com/blogs/news/wacom-pen-compatibility

>>7554836

>2019

>2025
>half way of the year passed in a few weeks

You couldn't get any new chinky tablets to test this with?

>>7562195
It would be better because most screen tabs are the same aspect ratio as most monitors (16:9), but screenless won't be, which could be a problem down the line because only the newest screenless tabs are the same aspect ratio

>>7564213
Thanks! I'll have to set up some saved searches in eBay.

so movink yay or nay?

>>7554835 (OP)
>Le 0 face

Yeah not clicking your excrement

>>7564663
I recently bought one and used it for roughly 1 month

My impression - quite close to Samsung Tab S experience
What is better: you are not limited by battery and limitations of your tablet hardware
What is worse: Windows touch sucks massive ass, so if you want zoom and move around it's miles worse then Samsung one. Taps are working all right, which is the main reason I wanted touch anyways

Pens and drawing experience are pretty close, and you can buy rubber nibs for Pro Pen 3 so it's a huge plus compared to other Wacom tablets that don't support pro pen 3

It's an OLED screen, so there is a risk of burn ins in the future, but you can turn on "tablet care mode" and lower the brightness to prevent it (I heard that it helps)

The drivers are mostly fine, but from time to time I get an annoying bug where after turning the tablet on your cursor will appear on your other monitor, but it can be fixed by turning tablet on and off, so not a big deal.

Size can be a bummer, but I actually prefer small tablets, it;s a bigger then Samsung Tab S+ models, don't know about the Ultra

So far it's the best Wacom tablet I had (One, One Touch, Cintiq 16)

The price is a bit retarded, so I advise you to wait for a sale or buy a refurbished one from Wacom store if you are going to buy one.

Thoughts on the Cintiq 22? (not buying a chinese tab)

I'm considering to buy samsung galaxy tab s9 small display 11" is it a good idea?

>>7560788
>or if the quality is a little lacking as long as it gets the basic job done.
the cintiq 16 has technical problems out the ass, free would still be too expensive
if anything wacom should be paying you for having to fix their shit

For a similar $400-$600 price range I'm considering a refurbished older samsung tab ultra or ipad pro and I'm unsure which to get.
I have a windows computer and I'd mostly use them as a monitor connected to it.
My main concerns are of course the latency of the tracking. The ipad pro likes to advertise itself has having near 0 lag but I don't know if that's really true or how they stack up.
It will probably slightly more expensive than a samsung even if specs and accessories are similar.

>>7567624
If you're planning on using it as a monitor, ipad is a dogshit choice from what I've heard. Just get a pre-owned S8/S9 ultra for 500 bucks.

Anyone with a cintiq pro 24 and a flex arm? What desk do you guys use that can hold that much weight without it being in danger of cracking/breaking?

The tip of my digital pen started scratching my tablet, I decided to change it and realized that there's only one tip left.
Where is a recommended place to buy? Specifically something like Amazon that ships to Brasil.

>>7567984
Unless you are using a cardboard honeycomb table top like most of the Ikea ones, you should have no issue mounting a monitor arm to most tables. Even particle, OSB, melamine and butcherblock tables will have no issue with a 24 inch monitor.

>>7565260
Thanks for that feedback! Gonna help when i go to cafes to study, hopefully they'll start hitting the preowned markets soon

>>7570427
Shopee or AliEx, I imagine it's easier to find a new stylus altogether, that comes with new nibs.

>>7560788
non-pro cintiq are horrible but not sure about alternatives

>>7570636
>non-pro cintiq
What do you mean? They've been industry flagships for years before the pros came out

>>7562201
Gave up and bought the same cintiq with a broken screen to get another cable, as much as i like to use Wacom, fuck em for this proprietary cable crap.

>>7554835 (OP)
lmao

My screenless cintiq only works at a perpendicular angle. When it's tilted it doesn't pick up anything. How do I fix this? I bought ir used by.

>>7557161
HiPaint, imo. Reason is you can just pay for features, no subscription shit.

>>7554835 (OP)
Hey, do you guys have any advice on getting a good quality drawing tablet, or an iPad?

I got my paycheck yesterday and I'm heading to the city soon so I wanna get myself something I can draw on digitally.

I want an iPad type device for portability and so I can upload things online again.
This will be a real upgrade for building skills and having a regular drawing schedule again.

Any recommendations for good iPads/tablet would be awesome.

I'm trying to budget it for around 750 Australian dollars but I can adjust it if I keep my other spending pretty low.
The budget isn't that strict.

>>7571669
I use iPad, but don't think it really matters which one you get as long as it's one of the ones with the Apple chip, for longer support. Not sure if there's some limitation with the Apple Pencil versions and iPad versions, you can check in the store. Just get also some paperlike cover for the display and you're good to go.

Don't know about the pricing limitation though. I'd guess you should get some older iPad for that price range

I sound like an Apple shill now, fuck Apple for the most part. I just don't have experience with other tablets and don't mind if someone can recommend other tablets. The drawing experience has been very good on the iPad though

I think I'm going to bite the bullet and get something premium.
The best compromise between price and performance seems to be the S8 Ultra but even that seems to have a decent amount of lag and delay so fuck it why pay 500$ if I can just pay 1500$ and have something better. As long as I take care of this shit it can last me a decade right?
I looked up the Wacom Cintiq 22 and it's just 1,299.95 on Amazon, I think I will just save a couple of months longer to get this.
Are there any caveats left or can I be confident it will work without any issues?

>>7571720
>>7571720
>I use iPad, but don't think it really matters which one you get as long as it's one of the ones with the Apple chip, for longer support
Right, thank you.

Not sure if there's some limitation with the Apple Pencil versions and iPad versions, you can check in the store
Understandable.

>Just get also some paperlike cover for the display and you're good to go
Can I pick this up at any tech/apple store?

So, if I buy an iPad and a Stylis pen together, I could use those for digital drawing without having to hook it up to a PC or laptop?

So I will be able to draw on the iPad with pencil/pen and it will work fine?
I won't need to hook up the iPad to a laptop or computer for it to draw and save drawings?

>>7572791
Correct. An iPad is basically a big iPhone with stylus support so you just draw in an app like Procreate and it saves everything on-device or upload it wherever. Most places that sell them have some on show that you can try out and get a feel for too.

>>7555096
I decided to buy it after all, $99 bux for a IPS display tablet is a steal, I'll test it when it arrives and see if it has the same issues the other chink tablets show in the webm. Worst case scenario I'll still have a decent portable monitor.

I use a Kamvas 13 Gen 3 and the lower knob for zooming in/out is busted. I'm not sure if this is a me issue only but it's sensitive as shit and even just rotating it a bit will cause the screen to zoom in/out way too closely or spaz out if I try to spin the dial multiple times. Does anyone else have this model and this issue?

>>7573514
I have a Kamvas 16 Gen 3. It is sensitive, but it's not an issue for me, it kinda makes a tactile click every time it's activated and zooms, so I just make sure I only turn it a few clicks at a time. Also, I'm pretty sure this is software related, so you should probably check if the software's behaviour can be changed. I think all the zoomwheel does is send some zoom-in key combination like Ctrl+. If you spin it in your browser it still zooms in and out.

It's a real good tablet, 1 month in and I have no issues. Been drawing for longer each day than I did on paper and I am now making a comic.

Is having a good drawing tablet an important prerequisite to drawing?

I'm using an s23 ultra with the pen right now

>>7574244
Are there even phone tablet artists who have made it?

>>7574244
Bro, you could spend $20,000 on the top of the line Wacom tablet and it would be just useless if you don't got the talent or creativity genes, while someone with the correct genes can make it with a $1 notebook and pencil.

>>7574568
Lmao why are you here if you've fully adopted the loser mindset. Surely no point in browsing /ic/ if it's all up to talent?

my over decade old Intuos pro, PTH-651, suddenly doesn't want to turn on today.

I plug it in, the light turns on for a second, then it stops. I cannot get it to turn on anymore no matter what. Different cable. Different usb port. Im in distress.

Is it possible it just died and cannot be saved?Ive had it since 2013. Im trying to plug in all sorts of cables and it just wont light up

>>7575866

>12 years

Stick a fork in it, it's done. I mean you could take it to a tech to check if there's something wrong with the USB port but nowadays there are lots of working secondhand intuos pros you could get off cheaper. Especially if your pen is in good shape.

>>7575866
Most likely issue is that the port on the device itself has failed and is no longer making good contact. Just buy another one, it'll only cost you like 50 bucks. Might even be able to upgrade to a large.

>>7575899
>>7575906

My pen is in wonderful shape and still got lots of fresh nibs.

I live in new zealand, a quick check shows a used intuos pro is between 50 and 150 dollars. Perhaps a used one is also nearing the end of its life and might die soon after I buy it. Thats my main worry.

Was looking at a new wacom one, which seems very affordable. The only thing im worried about is lack of buttons. I can get used to no wheel and no buttons though.

Just need to make a decision between risking it with a used one, or getting brand new.

>>7575908
The USB port is about the only failure point on these things. Just get one without a lot of surface wear, because that means it's probably been used once and then sat in a box for the past decade.

The cheap newer stuff is just worse.

>>7575916
Alright, thank you. I will look into a used one, or see if i can get my usb port repaired.
It looks like this is the sort of thing that will need to be done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdJnW8B5oE

>>7575929
Paying someone to repair it will easily cost you more than a new one, so there's very little point if you can't do it yourself.

>>7575866 here.
Frustrated at 2nd hand sellers lack of communication, overpricing, and listing small tablets as medium. How can I even trust them to ship the damn thing to me if they are this retarded.

Thinking about the option of just using my tablet's wireless function by getting a battery and wireless thing for it.

>>7575908
If the light not coming on, either the port or the control board fried, literally got two components

>I live in new zealand
PBtech had a sale on Intuos (2017) last year, and with the new Intuos coming out they might want to dump stock, might be worth checking.

>>7577685
thanks for the heads up. Il keep an eye on it

wish I'd checked this thread before buying this thing, but it was only 80 quid from cash converters so I don't have much buyers remorse.
It's still alright to draw on if keep my hand in one position, but any angle that isn't the same as the one I calibrated it at is just way off (made a webm to show what I'm talking about)
Maybe I'll get used to it after a while but all it's done is make me want to shell out for something that's actually fucking accurate.

Is base model iPad (a16) usable or is does the unlaminated display make it an irredeemable piece of shit?

I have a 2020 iPad Pro 11 inch and I've noticed the corners of the screen flickering very slightly at times. Anyone else run into this? Can I expect it to stabilize or is it going to get worse?

>>7574568
>while someone with the correct genes can make it with a $1 notebook and pencil.
You only posted a loser, where's your example of a winner? Trad media is also much higher fidelity than low end digital crap like smartphones

>>7579735
Lol. Dr. Home

>>7554835 (OP)
I got a galaxy tab 4 that's basically e trash at this point (YT so outdated it doesn't work) Is there any way to turn it into a drawing tablet? From what I've seen it doesn't seem possible which is kind of a pisstake

are those hagurumado's wooden grip thing for styluses comfortable to use or is it just gimmick

>>7572823
What's the best (and hopefully affordable or even free) drawing program for an iPad Air tablet?

>>7581922
>affordable
Procreate hands down

>>7571396
>as much as i like to use Wacom, fuck em for this proprietary cable crap.
I have a similar problem, my One stoped giving video after I unplugged it to try to fix washed out colors. I think it's the cable but it's out of stock on Wacom's website and overpriced on Amazon.
>>7575931
nta but I was thinking of taking my tablet to a local repair shop.

>>7582279
Your modern repair shop is a guy who knows how to put new screens in phones, that's about it. Anyone still doing laptops is going to tell you to just buy a new one if it isn't an overpriced mac, because it won't be worth the cost to fix. If you want to fix a cable you're going to need to do it yourself, or more realistically just buy a new one.

>>7581187
try SuperDisplay or similar software

haven't been here in like 6 months, just curious if this general is still a schizo den or if it's actually normal?

>>7583148
Still a useless schizo den.

Anyone know if it's worth going from an intuos pro medium to a large? I have a 28 inch display and figured a large tablet might make it easier to linerart/sketch in general but not sure how big the difference is

What sort of monitor/table arm do I use for my Huion, is any monitor arm good or are there any special types for tablets specifically

>>7583148

Isn't it funny how this thread seems to get replies only when it gets to page 8 or more?

Gonna ask here as well
I'm having line quality issues that I don't have when drawing on paper, is it just a matter of practice? I switched to digital 6 months ago but something feels off

I just bought a tab s6 lite for $100. Do I use ibis paint X or Adobe Fresco or Krita?
From the videos I watches, Krita is supposedly only usable on bigger tablets because they didn't change the layout from the PC.

>>7587819
Why not try them yourself? It's faster to do that than waiting days for a reply in one of the slowest threads of ic. Also, fresco is not on Android.

guys should I get a new 2017 intuos pro
they don't sell the new models yet in my shithole

any software/application on the ipad that does SAI2-tier shading/blending??
last i tried procreate three years ago it basically just pushed colors around, no actual blending, same with CSP too though at least thats better than procreate, but sill nowhere near SAI levels

>>7588482
thank you for the reply and info about fresco.
I would try them myself, but i get easily dejected and i don't want to spiral, in zoomer terms, over how bad my first non-phone digital art attempt is.
I tried medibang on my note 8 and it was an extremely bad experience.
I'm looking for any advice about line stabilization and whether I should use a paper-like screen protector.
If I don't get any replies I will try infinite painter, ibis paint X and krita in that order.

i bought an xp pen 22 pro screen tab bc i like having fuckhuge drawing space, the >>7554836 webm is still real, the hdmi port has been loose for a while and now i have an issue where the touch button to control brightness and power is straight up not working, don't deal with the chinese.

>>7589075
I unplugged it for like 8 hours and it's fixed.

I've been using Krita with an Intuos S for a little bit and it still feels very unnatural when it comes to drawing and sketching. Painting is ok and I'm finally growing in my comfort with it but I can draw with pen and paper and then switch to the tablet and it feels like I'm starting from scratch in my ability. Lines don't go where I want, can't find a hand or tablet position I like. It also feels too small for drawing with but that could be a workflow adjustment I need to make.

Because of that, I'd like to try drawing on a screen. Looking at 3rd gen Ipad Pro because I'm seeing some for under $300 and that's about all I could afford rn. I've kind of had a bad experience with cheaping out on used stuff so if it's not really gonna be great I can keep working at using this Intuos. Any advice?

>>7587705
are you using a screen tablet or screenless? If screenless you need to train your hand to eye coordination while looking at your monitor that takes time but if youre using a display tablet well you just got to get used to it.

>>7587819
I think you can modify the UI on krita to suit your screen I think also using custom UIs for krita is possible on pc but not sure on android.

>>7583148
schizo still running thread, half these posts are probably him copypasting from old threads bumping so he can make the next thread with his signature OP

>want to buy a Samsung tablet
>Clip studio paint is subscription based on Android
Fuuuuck why are they like this

>800€ for an M2 13" iPad Air
>200€ for the fucking Pro Pencil because Gen 2 isn't compatible

>>7589750
you don't need anything more than 2020 ipad 'pro' lil bro

>>7589972
not sold here though, that's the cheapest 13" model available in stores

just noticed that you cant both touch the display and the pen at the same time on android tablets, as in, you can only either draw or touch interface buttons/smudge tool with finger etc.
do (any) ipads have this limitation too? having used desktops my whole life with fast shortcuts and keys this is really limiting

>>7589995
You should really look into getting a mini bluetooth keyboard or something. Won't work on every app, but most have some level of keymap support.

I don't have much issue switching between touch and pen, though. You just move the nib far enough away from the screen and then use your middle finger or something.

>>7578170
the sensor is inside the pen duh, ofc it's going to be misaligned

how to keep ipad clean?
and are paperlike screen covers now recommended?

>>7593084
>and are paperlike screen covers now recommended?
they destroy pen nibs so no

>>7586746

>lineart

You've got the right idea there, if you have the deskspace, it wouldn't be a bad idea

Which app would you recommend for an android tablet?

Whats the best budget option for $100-200? don't necessarily need a tablet but a good pad to draw on

>>7594780
i got a wacom one and i think its aight for mspaint doodling

>>7595488
>not a one by wacom
ngmi

New Cintiq 16 and 24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWMDU9q33To&t

Any good tablet that comes with build in AI?

>>7570427
Have you tried the wacom store bro?

i need to get this out of my system this has been bothering me

are there any anons that use devices like tourbox elite with devices that already have touchscreen features (ipad/galaxy tab/surface or hecc, even displays with touchscreens, though apparently those only got better recently)?

if so, why? they especially seem redundant with ipad/galaxy tab and iirc the surface, like theyre made to be touched. all i can think of is maybe muscle memory for the elderly, and not many programs on desktop OS's that has touch capabilities and most of them suck balls, but common choices like photoshop, and especially clip studio paint has good touch capabilities. enlighten me

>>7597512
I don't have one but I draw on an iPad and I can imagine it being useful. Being able to adjust your brush size in fixed increments instead of eyeballing, not having to reach across the screen to switch tools, etc.

>>7597512
Touchscreens are shit, and you have a free hand anyway. It's nice to be able to instantly switch brushes without moving your pen, which you have to do even if you're doing some weird shit like using your off-hand to touch buttons on the screen, because pen input cancels touch input so you need to take the pen away first.

>>7597512
because using your free hand for shortcuts is faster than moving the pen across the screen 20 times

gaomon 1220 vs 1230 vs m10k pro
Any of these worth it to buy?

do those monitor claws work with a large screen tablet or are they too shaky to be comfortable?

>>7598608
They're too shaky even with a smaller tablet if you have them more than 1/3 extended.

>>7596864
Fuck, I just bought Movink this year. I hope Wacom have trade ins program or something like that.

>>7597512
>if so, why?

Got my first tablet a week ago (one by wacom medium) and my first nib already looks like this. Is this normal for a week's use? I've been using it for 6-7 hours a day tbf but it only came with 4 extra nibs in the box and at this rate I'll be out in a month.

Also, are these chink replacements fine to use?
https://www.temu.com/gr-en/pack-of-10--digital-pen-replacement-tips-for-one-by--bamboo---pro--series-compatible-with-cte-mte-ctl-cth-models--durable-smooth-black-g-601100653137094.html
Or am I gonna drill a hole in my tablet?

>>7554835 (OP)
Tbh Xp pen tablets work just fine, For me they get the job done. If I had more money then maybe i could get a wacom. I got my xpen tablet when it was one sale tho. Idk if Wacom ever does good sales like that.

>>7590499
WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE A PRODUCT LIKE THIS THEN REEEEEE

I thought a screen tablet *at the bare minimum* would be capable of knowing where the pen tip is

I'm not really bothered about pen tilt or rotation I just want to fucking draw where I'm fucking drawing

>>7601573
>I'm not really bothered about pen tilt
anon.. you're literally asking for tilt compensation..

>>7601106
yeah that's normal
the surface of the tablet has a texture so it's not too slippery to draw on.
this wears down the nibs. on newer wacom pens it's especially fast because they use a softer plastic for the nibs to sell more replacement nibs. any nib replacement should be fine, as long as it fits. just make sure it don't have any sharp edges because you might scratch the surface and cheap chinese ones have low quality control.
after 2 months or so the surface is smoothed out enough so the nibs don't wear down that fast anymore

Does anyone know how the ipad air handles compared to the pro? I currently have an 11 inch pro, but I was curious if I should swap it in for a 13 inch air.

>>7589677
Man, I'm just trying to shop around drawing tablets after my stylus broke. Is the schizo some kind of Wacom shill, or is the OP legit?

Any difference between general monitor arms and tablet-specific desk arms?

>>7602403
Schizo = op = is also a wacom/ipad shill. Its been this way consistently since 2021 and will continue until mods give a shit about him.

Wacom is fine, ipad is cool if you already are in the apple enviroment, but other brands and options are good too. People here can try to help if you find something if you give us your price range and preferences and shit. Just keep in mind that the retard is always lurking.

>>7601106
Get a metal / durable nib and just put a screen protector on your tablet if youre worried about ruining it.

>>7597512
I use a tabmate with csp on a galaxy tab. Touch controls / gestures can only do so much. I need to be able to trigger macros and swap between tools very quickly. I dont want to spend time farting around in the UI for half an hour clicking on tiny buttons with my stylus.

>>7598608
Depends on the mount and if your monitor is in the middle of the allowed weight range like its supposed to be. Never had an issue with ergotrons as long as I didnt overload them.

>>7598945
No. The only thing they bother doing with secondhand stuff is refurbishing broken returns. You can probably sell it off to someone for close to what you bought it for if its in good condition.

>>7602512
Thanks for the tip. I think I'm gonna try to narrow down my options between Wacom, Huion, and XP-Pen. I'm about to go on a big trip, so hopefully I'll have internet to figure this out. Best case scenario, I figure out what I want while I'm out and I'm able to get it delivered home before I return.

>>7602166
I knew they're meant to wear down I just thought mine might have went too fast for a week's worth, but I guess it's normal. Thanks.

>>7602520
I'm broke af and live in a shithole country where everything costs an arm and a leg. That's why I'm looking at trash chinese knockoffs. I'll that in mind for the future though.

My bro was kind enough to give me his Surface Pro 4 but I need a pen for it. Anyone here got a favorite Pro-compatible pen that's in that sweet spot of affordable and good quality/inputs?

>>7603200
https://renaisser.com/
just like with wacom EMR pens (that work with all EMR displays), all 'MPP' pens will work any Surface(s); when you browse any shopping sites you don't need to stick with just renaisser brand, practically anything that says 'MPP pen' will work as MPP is an open tech, but renaisser is the OG here

>>7602512
>but other brands and options are good too
NO they ain't, the only advantage they have over wacoms is their price. That's it.

>>7596883
Anyone?

>>7554835 (OP)
After wasting $70 on a new cable for my Wacom One, I now know that it will only work as a screenless tablet. I hate this. It used to be nice having a little second screen under my main gaming one.
I don't know if I should just suffer this or spend more to replace it (with anther used Wacom bc poor fag.)
>>7601106
I would replace the nib to prevent the pen form scratching the screen.

>>7554835 (OP)
Does anybody here mainly draw on a display tablet but also uses, every now and then, a smaller screenless tablet for relaxing and casual doodling, and being able to lean back in your chair?
I love my display tablet, but it definitely causes me to hunch over it when drawing with it for too long.
Sometimes I just want to sit casually and relaxed and sketch some random bullshit without having to worry about posture and stuff.
I feel like the different way of drawing between display and screenless could feel a bit awkward, but I hope I can get used to that quickly.

>>7604720
I use superdisplay to use my android tablet as a screenless sometimes. There's some minor delay but it doesn't bother me too much when i'm just mindlessly doodling.

>>7604720
I use an intuos pro alongside my pen display if I'm causually scribbling.

Switching between the two never bothered me.

>>7603127
>I'm broke af and live in a shithole country where everything costs an arm and a leg. That's why I'm looking at trash chinese knockoffs.
The trash chink tablets are adequate enough, if you are a good artist it really doesn't matter. I just got one to replace my dead Wacom cintiq, and while it does have some of the issues seen in the webms like the cursor/pen getting misaligned, I barely notice them (other than one issue not shown, which is that double tapping the pen fast is iffy, while in a wacom it's snappy and works every time). Better to pay for a $80 tablet that just werks and will pay itself with 1 commission than some tanky $2900 premium cintiq pro that will take a long time to pay itself.

>>7603331
cheers

>>7554835 (OP)
XPpen magic drawing pad or a Samsung S10 FE tablet?
Intended usecases:
- Drawing (Duh, a pen is obviously included in price if it doesn't come with the tablet)
- Notetaking for nursing classes. (So also want a keyboard)

Budget: About 500 Euro, could go somewhat outside the budget for a big enough quality jump.

This might fit on /g/ more but as that board is almost useless im asking here.
How is the driver situation on linux for these things? I know open tablet driver supports a ton but has anyone here have had issues with it?
Im considering a Samsung Galaxy Tab S8 but would like to have more control over the device so are laptops with pens still meta? Also how is the driver situation on there?

>>7605498
Is your pen display also a wacom? I have a spare display but from xp-pen and i'm assuming driver confilcts would make me not be able to use them at the same time.

>>7606655
Pen display is the XP PEN artist Pro 16 GEN 2

Both drivers can co exist no problem.

>>7554835 (OP)
Anyone try any of these paper like screen protectors? Still struggle with straight lines on my tablet even after using it for a while and saw one of those things pop up so I was wondering if they're just a total scam or if they're not a waste of money.

>>7601591
stop it you're making way too much sense

also I've swapped back to my screenless tablet and for some reason I'm feeling a little more comfortable with it.
maybe it's the adjustable stand that came with the screen tablet that I'm still using, or maybe I prefer looking at a screen without half of my hand in the way.

>>7554835 (OP)
Those recommendations have been there for more than a year, possibly years, is there any update?
You can't even find the ones in the OP in most stores AND if you can, they are refurbished/fixed ones.
I am looking for a decent medium screen tablet at an affordable price, 400-500$ ish, chinese ones are affordable but >>7554836 discourages me to, many anons over time have confirmed this webM is true.
Any recommendation.

>>7554835 (OP) (OP)
Those recommendations have been there for more than a year, possibly years.
You can't even find the ones in the OP in most stores AND if you can, they are refurbished/fixed ones.
I am looking for a decent medium screen tablet at an affordable price, 400-500$ ish, chinese ones are affordable but this webM >>7554836 worries me, many anons over time have confirmed this webM is true and these are real issues.
Any recommendation?
Is it even a good time to buy, with the tariffs and all?

>>7609596
>my budget is $500
Huion and xp pen 3rd gen 14 inch
Wacom one display 13 inch
Samsung galaxy tab s9 fe or ipad equivalent (if you want to go with samsung tablet do not go with A series)
Avoid standalone display tablet that are being shilled by the three big tablet companies. its overpriced and can only work only as a drawing tablet. If youre looking for something mobile get yourself aamsung or ipad tablet, not only they are cheaper but also have your usual AiO tablet features
>b-but.. op webm..
It was outdated webm that exist from pre covid era about some faulty xp or huion tablet that doesnt even exist in firsthand market anymore.

>>7609596
https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/recommendations

>>7609596
The webm is 100% true, chink tablets are cheap for a reason. You get what you pay for, so if you want a cheap tablet just buy a chink one, if you want one with muh precision, then just save for a Wacom because in 30 years no one has matched them.

t. I have used both Wacom and Chinese tablets

I've had a ipad mini 6 for like half a year. Use it everyday. Suddenly a light yellow band started appearing on the bottom of the screen. The discoloration is obvious on white, but I can live with it. I'm worried about it getting worse though. Anyone seen this before? People with the same problem online say it can't be fixed and they had to get a replacement.

looking at this one, as something with a screen to start with while i learn, is this worth it at all? its on sale right now and i have some spending money

>>7609596
Bit late, I don't have schizophrenia and took the gamble and bought the artist pro 24 second hand on eBay for $250 in pretty damn good condition, the seller was even kind enough to throw in remote for free. Been using it daily for a month and a half now and it's OK to draw on. I upgraded from a Cintiq 13HD and while the bigger space was a crucial upgrade, the pen isn't anywhere near as responsive/precise as wacom (and the 13HD model is well over a decade old), it still gets the job done and that's all that matters I guess.
Pen pressure definitely needs reconfiguring unless you're heavy handed while drawing (the default settings hardly pick up light strokes)
Overall it's usable, I haven't run into any of the issues the webms show. If you're autistic about muh precision then just save for a wacom, preferably a somewhat larger size like a 22in or you'll be dealing with back pain from working in a cramped screen. Hope this helps

>>7614587
>the pen isn't anywhere near as responsive/precise as wacom (and the 13HD model is well over a decade old)
>Pen pressure definitely needs reconfiguring unless you're heavy handed while drawing (the default settings hardly pick up light strokes)

This is 100% true in my case as well, the pen on my old Cintiq 15x manufactured in 1999 mogs my new chink tablet manufactured in 2024 when it comes to responsiveness and accuracy. Wacom got it right so long ago and no one still comes close.

>>7606626
Only company with official drivers is xppen, I think. There are community drivers for pretty much everything else though

>>7607529
They're worth it. Just get extra nibs or a metal nib or something.

>>7609596
The webm is old. Its from day 1 release in like 2019 before any new drivers or firmware patches.

I've had probably every brand of tablet, xencelabs has been my favorite display and second place would be a samsung tab, third place is cintiq. After that are the huion/xppen/gaomon/low tier or ancient wacoms etc theyre all pretty much the same.

Any screenless drawing tablet recommends? I need an upgrade from the wacom ctl472 (one by wacom), because the surface area is way too small.

>>7615729
Just get an old intuos4.

>>7615729
Intuos pro medium, if you want cheaper and same or better quality then xencelabs medium has great build quality (xencelabs is made by ex wacom designers).

If you need cheap price at that sort of size, then look at huion/xppen whatever their newest line is. Having a larger drawing area is more important than having a schizo approved brand.

>>7615737
I like the intuos 4 but it's just too old and the drivers are borked now. I've been enjoying the xencelab remote, it reminds me of the LED labels I loved on my intuos 4. I wish wacom would remake it and rerelease it.

>>7615985
>>7615737
thanks for the recommend, funnily enough as soon as I made the post I immediately bought one off eBay, glad I made the right choice kek
I haven't heard of xencelabs until now, I will definitely check them out in the future

Anyone ever replaced the plastic film on an Intuous 3? Mine has some scratches and shit that catch the stylus that are getting annoying.

Also, where to find replacement felt nibs for the Intuous 3 stylus? All I can find are ones for the more modern styluses (stylii?) be cool if there were some cheap source...

this is more of a drawing software question, but hardware probably plays a hand

i bought a new gen ipad recently for the frequency of drawing apps in the app store. csp lags HORRIBLE for some reason. i so far:

-turned off the power saving mode so internals can exert full power

-tried to allocate more ram, which was allocated by default anyway

-don't use huge ass canvases or brush sizes %85 of the time

-never turned on the timelapse feature.

default brushes fare better, but some of the community made brushes i collected over the years fare way worse

of note, i own multiple samsung tablets and one is more or less comparable in specs when i look at benchmarks, it still performs better. the other has better internals compared to the aforementioned samsung, more storage and ram and it obviously performs better. and i do use power saving mode with both so they're not at their true form. went to an apple store to check if my device is ok (of note only csp does this), but for some reason the demo devices didn't have csp anymore, wonder if that's something

does celsys not do quality control anymore? do they only optimize for m series airs and pros and call it a day? i know csp sucks nuts on desktop because no hw acceleration but mobile versions were optimized better and i think they dropped the ball around late v2 to early v3, didn't expect they'd neglect the walled garden to the extent android would leave walled garden enjoyers agape, especially when japan loves their iphones and ipads this much. thank god i don't rely on csp, but csp is fun to toy with and i feel like a kid whose ipad is taken by their parents ironically enough.

i'm not hopeful for a solution as i feel like that'd come with setbacks at this point, but i couldn't find jack shit on search engines either and i don't want to be alone. also thank you for reading for my wall of text anon

>>7554836
>>7589075
I really like the design of this tablet since is similar to the cintiq ux21. thinking on buying it
unless there's a cheap 4:3 / 3:2 AR in the near future

>Broken tilt
same as wacom this is almost a software problem of not having smoothing in the angle of the cursor. the pen know is tilted but the sofware should know how the stroke is made.
I guess this happen because 92.5% (made up n°) of artists don't care about tilt.

>cursor strays from the pen
this is normal for all pens and because no one moves the pen like that. there's a reason you calibrate it to deal with parallax. this is expected behavior of this technology.
>>7578170
another retard.


>line wobble.
looks pretty good considering the speed and size of the line made in the video. also "you can clearly see the pen is wobbling as well".
if you want to talk about this issue gets. you should see how awful this can get in android tablets with a pen. (not emr ipads included)

>Inconsistent pressure
way too many causes. software, driver and even API. can be easily fixed by software.

I've experienced all these problem in different tablets and brands.

>>7567322
>>7617196
11" is way too small. imo. 13 is kinda ok. i would rather get any thing 15" or 16". but the real deal for me has been Android.. get something with linux or windows. all tablets suffer from being a phone on steroids and weaker than any pc no matter the specs. software is trash in most cases. the biggest drawback is always how ram is managed in portable devices. a foldable laptop with pen always is better

>>7597512
overpriced over hypedgarbage shilled. just use what ever works for you. joystick, keyboard or DIY device.

>>7602507
tilt angle is the opposite is many of them

>>7616962
Dont intuos 4 and xencelabs felt nibs fit it?

>>7617196
What model ipad is it?

>>7617291
>all tablets suffer from being a phone on steroids and weaker than any pc no matter the specs. software is trash in most cases
I use an s9 tab ultra and it's fine, I draw A4 600dpi documents with tons of layers.

i got a ipad air 3(gen?) hand me down. is it a good pad for drawing/painting?

>Only company with official drivers is xppen, I think
I don't care if its official or not if it works.
Also can anybody answer my other question? Having some sort of self-contained tablet running FOSS software would be sweet which is my im interested in these touch laptops. Some of those have official pens so im wondering if they are actually any good.

>>7619575
meant for >>7614614

>>7619575
>Having some sort of self-contained tablet running FOSS software would be sweet which is my im interested in these touch laptops. Some of those have official pens so im wondering if they are actually any good.
I would only get one that has an actual pressure sensitive digitizer, not just ones with a random stylus.

As far as tablet pc/2 in 1 with styluses go, I guess Surface Pro, Surface Laptop Studio, Lenovo Flex, Asus Zenbook, HP Envy 360, that kind of 2-in-1 stuff is what you're looking for.

I don't know about the linux driver situation for each one, you'll have to look it up, but most of these things usually use a wacom digitizer so that stuff should work with unofficial drivers I would think. If you see it has compatibility with Lamy or Staedtler styluses its a wacom and it's pretty much guaranteed to be good. Only one thats always definitely not wacom is any microsoft surface device, idk if those would break or not with linux.

I think mobiletechreviews has gone over some of those laptops and the specs before as well as how it feels to draw on them.

Whatever you pick, you can always back it up and make a recovery disk/usb, so if it doesnt work with the OS you want you can just reinstall it and return that shit.

>>7617196
Lmao, I just checked you can’t buy permanent license too on ipad.

>>7619635
Found some Lenovo Flex are chomebooks and that their pens can read pressure. Gotta jailbreak them to make them useful but given that its already running linux and that its using wacom tech i think i might look deeper into those. Only real drawback with these is how expensive these styluses are. They cost half of what these laptops cost sometimes.
Anyways thanks for the pointer in the right direction.

>>7619973
>They cost half of what these laptops cost sometimes.
well the official ones anyways. And they don't seem to be that good either so im probably going to get some alternative ones. As long as they are using the same protocol it should work the same right?

>>7619973
If it uses Wacom technology, can't you just use any Wacom compatible pen? You can with Samsung tablets

I draw better on a screenless tablet somehow... I returned after two years on a screen tablet

>>7620014
>If it uses Wacom technology, can't you just use any Wacom compatible pen?
Not necesaarily. Samsung tablets use the same frequency or parts as Wacom One display tablets, so both can use all the cool pens.

But you can't use those pens on cintiq or some other wacom tablets. Sometimes the tablet pcs will use parts from those instead of wacom one.

Thankfully if you go to wacom estore and look up the staedtler for example and scroll down theres a compatibility list

>>7620019
Once you're used to it it just feels superior in every way. Zero input lag, your hand isn't obscuring the picture, and you can tape paper to the front so it feels nice to draw on and lasts forever.

>>7619973
Oh ew, it's AES. That's stuff like the... I think they called it bamboo ink stylus or something. But yes you could use any AES 2.0 stylus, you can usually find those things on ebay for cheaper than places like amazon.

>>7620019
Right? I went from screenless to screen and now I yearn for screenless again. I've started turning the tablet screen off with the screen mirrored so it acts like a normal tablet.

It's way more ergonomic and your hand doesn't cover shit up. Yeah theres hand eye coordination you need to level up and a weird mental disconnect to get over. But really, it's so much nicer.

The top tier tablet really is just a large screenless after all.

>>7620165
>>7620019
As a long term screenless tablet user I cannot even comprehend your desires to downgrade
My god the amount of linework time I've saved with my recent move to screen is downright lifechanging

>>7620161
>AES
Anything wrong with it? Im not very up to speed with these things. Wouldn't think that something that's known to be bad would be so expensive still.

Anyways is the sensing and pressure stuff interdependent from any bluetooth stuff? Looks like some pens only connect with some OS's and while loosing the ability to read the battery charge is a bummer its not as bad as not being able to use the thing at all. Also what about the buttons? Do they also need bluetooth or is it done with AES?

>Get ipad + apple pencil and procreate
>Absolutely no way to fully reject palm
I even tried turning on "Draw with pencil only" in the Apple Pencil settings and it not only didn't work, but totally removed the menu you use to undo. Also tried turning off all gestures and my palm still draws annoying extra lines and zooms and shit. Is there seriously no option for palm rejection? I thought this was the best equipment out there.

>>7602166
>After two months or so the surface is smoothed out enough so the nibs don't wear down that fast anymore
Do tablets really work like that? :0 I thought the drawing surface was already pretty smooth...

>>7620421
Buy a glove like everyone else, buddy.

>>7620421
Wear a glove.

>>7617291
>no one moves the pen like that
while I'm clearly exaggerating for the sake of demonstration- I don't know anybody who doesn't vary their grip while drawing.
It's not worth keeping my hand locked to the same pose just because that shitty tablet requires it.

>this is expected behavior of this technology
I'm retarded because I expected the bare minimum

>>7620199
Personal preference, I've had them before and it's fine to draw on, for example apple pencil is AES. I just dislike dealing with it.

>AES Active Electro Static
A stylus paired with electro static grids behind the screen, a grid and the stylus interact and create an electrical field, the other grids recieve input, the change in charge detects position. The pen uses battery (the "active" part of this) to send pressure sense, tilt, and button presses to the reciever.

Stylus is heavier, needs batteries/charging, after a few years battery or stylus needs replacing, good pressure sensitivity and polling rate, low hover distance, slow diagonal lines can be very jittery or wavy same as n-trig with surface pro, so if the driver doesnt compensate for it (usually they dont) you have to draw them fast, stylus choice is pretty small.

>EMR Electro Magnetic Resonance
Same as cintiq/intuos.
A layer of sensor grid behind the screen, each sensor emits a weak magnetic signal creating a field. The stylus powers up using the magnetic field, reporting its pressure/tilt/button presses, while the change in the field reports its position.

No battery (or if there is, its only for unnecessary bonus features), effectively the same sensitivity and lower polling rate, slow diagonal lines are way more likely to be straight, higher hover distance, can show you the hover tilted brush preview in some software, usually much more stylus choices, they will last forever until you do something to break them.

>Anyways is the sensing and pressure stuff interdependent from any bluetooth stuff?
Depends. For EMR it is not dependent on bluetooth. My galaxy tab stylus is bluetooth capable, but I can use it with bluetooth off and nothing changes for me, same if I grab a different stylus without bluetooth capability.
With AES, you can use it with bluetooth off, but it will work like any capacitive stylus. Capacitive styluses are those cheap aluminum things that suck.

why do people keep recommending ipads when theyre completely useless for animation or anything else that requires software that isnt available for ipadOS

>>7620731
Because procreate is simple, beginner ftiendly, and have better ui/ux compared to csp and photoshop.
t. Photoshop + csp user

>>7620197
I'm a lifelong trad artist and recently got a screenless, and i really want a screen one now. I just cant get those smooth lines without seeing the tip of the pen making them like on paper.

Unfortunately this thread and pretty much every kind of review either says every single tablet model is defective garbage, or theyre all nearly identically good. I have no clue what is a safe bet to drop several hundred dollars on.

it's fucking dumb I cannot use my CSP activation key on an android tablet and I would have to pay monthly if I'd buy a galaxy tab

>>7620652
When i search for 'AES 2.0 stylus' i get a lot of results for USI 2.0 styluses instead. Is this search engines being retarded or is there actually some cross compatibility between these protocols?
And are there even AES 2.0 styluses that are not made by laptop manufacturers or wacom themselves? Seems like the lack of options is driving the prices up.

How much jitter or wobble is too much for you?

>>7621827
I'll let you know when I order this cheap throwaway $50 gaomon tablet and actually get my hands on it

>>7554835 (OP)
>>7554836
>less than 30 seconds between posts, so it's not even VIP pass spamming
>this has been the case for almost every thread since 2020
how come /ic/ is so full of pushovers that they bend over to literal spambots?
the OP is literally just the same worthless shit general copypaste 1:1 also from almost 2020, there's no actual data, no references, no technical information, no links to resources, no price references or borderlines (how are you going to suggest used without suggesting a general price that you should generally stay under??) and ZERO NEWS.

>>7579735
Idk, my gf got herself that ipad a month ago and i just bought her a 1st gen pen. Procrate seems to work great and I can't notice the screen gap at all. Some say that the ticking sound of the pencil is louder due to the gap but it doesn't seem too loud. Keep in mind that only the 1st gen pen has pressure sensitivity. Get the one from 2022 with adapters

>>7622339
I've always wondered why he does this, how does it benefit him? Does he get a cut for every Wacom sale? Does he just hate china so much? It's not like there's a ton of people checking this thread anyway, it's mostly he talking to himself and everytime someone else replies is to call out his bullshit or to ask what's wrong with this thread, since it's so obvious.

>>7622375
>>7622339
I personally only trust posts that shows an actual pic of their tablet like >>7614587 or the goblin anon, who also recorded these >>7555032 >>7555033 himself, and not random google images like most of the posts in these threads.

>>7596864
>2.5k
>not oled
what was the point of the movink if they arent going to go into oled for their mainline models

I like screenless tablets and never had a problem with them but I want to mess around with a display tablet. What’s a cheap but not totally shitty option to test the waters?

>>7554835 (OP)
Can anybody figure out file management on csp for android? got myself an S8 ultra, but the file management is complete garbage for Clip studio. Thumbnails don't show up in the files app, and it doesn't even understand what file type it is unless you directly open it directly from CSP.

Tried out some file managers on appstore, and only one of them can show thumbnails, but you have to pay for it. I have an ipad and its default file manager works perfectly fine with CSP, but it seems even good android tablets are just a step above the chinese shit.

I've had my XPPen artist pro 16 for about a year now, it's fine, but I get wobbly lines and I don't know what else I can do. I've updated everything I can, tried different pen nibs, screen protectors (smooth and rough). Any time I do a slow controlled line it comes out wobbly, like the tablet is picking up every micro-movement of my arm. Even if I put tracing paper over the tablet and draw circles they come out wobbly on the screen and smooth on the page. I learned to draw traditionally, I've tried everything. I can get smooth-as-silk freehand lines on paper/canvas using pencils/pens/brushes/whatever without issue. I've also tried my friend's ipad pro 2, and I still have my screenless intuos 4 where I have a similar issue. I've tried PS/CSP/Rebelle/etc. It's better if I zoom in a lot, the lines come out smoother, but at 100% it's shit. Is my only option to crank the smoothing up to get decent linework digitally? I can get good lines if I do very quick strokes, but I don't like to draw that way. Would a larger tablet help at all?

>>7623420
wobble like this? not much you can do. it's somewhat built-in because of how the technology works. a larger tablet would only help a little bit.
https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/core-features/diagonal-wobble
Try Lazy Nezumi, it has the best software smoothing and you can use it on any software.

>>7623486
That's definitely one of the issues, but I realize that's from pen like.. snapping to sensors that spaced too far apart when making diagonal lines. Also unfortunate, but at least I know what that's about.


I also get a different wobble because I draw with slow lines. I know everyone tends to do the... quick stroke and ctrl+z until you get the right line method. But I really hate drawing like that. I know I can make smooth lines on paper or trad media, even when I try using like.. felt pens on an eraser board to simulate the slippery nature of a tablet. I honestly think the tablet is just picking up every little micro-movement in the pen, almost as if it's too sensetive, but I can only adjust the pressure.


I'm surprised mroe people don't have this issue, unless I'm just having it because I"m trying my best to work without smoothing. Maybe I just need to give in.

>>7621638
You can just look up AES wacom stylus and might get more results. There arent styluses either made by the laptop mamufacturer or wacom.

>>7622339
>>7622375
I miss the old OP that was actually helpful but this guy got a stick up his ass about specifically old wacoms and ipads being the best. I think he's likely a reseller stuck with a lot of intuos 3 and old ipads. And he hates cheap chinese brands but doesnt care that wacom and ipad are made in china too with the same parts.

>>7623817
Try updating your tablet firmware and the drivers, back up your config first though. It would help if you posted what kind of lines are coming out of slow diagonal strokes.

If I have a wide gamut display tablet is it better to set it to P3 instead of SRGB? Will it matter if I paint in P3 and then export to SRGB so that it I can check how it looks on other devices?

>>7624394
You could set the soft proofing to sRGB and every once and a while check how the colors it looks with ctrl+y
https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/soft_proofing.html
https://docs.krita.org/en/general_concepts/colors/color_managed_workflow.html#color-managed-workflow

Can be easier to just use sRGB the whole time if you're just planning to post it on the web.

>old wacom died
>was about to buy an xp gen2 deco pro because I only have one art friend IRL and that's what he uses so I got to test it out
>mention this in a discussion with some anon from /g/ I met a decade ago, jokingly say that I'd buy another wacom if I could for 30 dollars
>he set up a bidbot and won a 2013 intus pro at $24 for me
>expect it to be a broken fucked up unit, actually lightly used and functional
I just really needed to blogpost about this, I'm shocked people are actively okay with selling these for this low of a price.

Which brings me to my actual question, what do you anons actually use to clean your tablets with? Just a slightly damp microfiber cloth?

>>7624436
Thanks a lot anon, it's a good guide.

I use Clip Studio though and you can't choose a color profile for the program. You can do sRGB preview limited to the canvas but the color picker will still always be in the wider gamut.
If I don't do the sRGB preview it looks off and much more saturated to me on every image, is that just not being used to a wider gamut? I don't know if it's worth to always enable the preview every time I open a new file or just draw in the wider gamut and get used to switching to preview once in a while.

>>7554835 (OP)
Be aware of using uncle Lao tablets, especially agressive advertisement ones (huion)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZGQX1_9YKI&list=PL1T15FMIjIAZA6kHqd1vSFk673JaCG0-Y&index=6

>>7624567
>"it (wacom) just lasted me for two years before it died on me, but that's the average life of these things"
forget about the decade old huion being shit for a second, what the FUCK is this person doing if two years is a good ACCEPTABLE lifecycle of a wacom tablet for them?

>>7624567
the fuck is this shit
why are there multiple accounts with the exact same videos

what would be the best screen tablet for 1000€ right now ?

I have an iPad pro 2018 that I've been carrying for 7 years, it's holding up great but I'd like something bigger when I'm at my desk.
Preferably something with touch, and decent pen. I think the Kamvas Pro 19 might be the best compromise at this price point ? There's the new Cintiq 24 Touch but it's like 1680€...

>>7624567
>Unlisted video
>Likes disabled
>Comments disabled
Yeah, seems legit

>>7624592
Lol, I bought my huion in 2022 and still works like the first day

>>7620731
People ask a general question of what is good for drawing the iPad is a good answer, if a more specific question was asked a more specific answer would be given

>>7624333
I actually found ONE stylus not made one of the two obvious sources. Supports every protocol under the sun besides USI "Lazarite M Pen". Still weird to only see one or two manufacturers make these. The license holders obviously allow it.


>>7623486
Is wobble an issue that every tablet has in general? Im still looking for a 2in1 laptop and some of them have insanely terrible wobble while others make very straight lines.

Picrel shows the laptop i want to get. Is this normal for active pens or is it under the average? I would post the actual image he is drawing but he did not publish it. The buggy parts are from palm rejection failing which which i have no problems with. I would still wear a glove to keep the screen clean. Also from what i have seen these laptops have better tracking in the center and this is a corner obviously, is this also normal compared to purpose made hardware?

>>7624333
I actually found ONE stylus not made one of the two obvious sources. Supports every protocol under the sun besides USI "Lazarite M Pen". Still weird to only see one or two manufacturers make these. The license holders obviously allow it.


>>7623486
Is wobble an issue that every tablet has in general? Im still looking for a 2in1 laptop and some of them have insanely terrible wobble while others make very straight lines.

Picrel shows the laptop i want to get. Is this normal for active pens or is it below the average? I would post the actual image he is drawing but he did not publish it. The buggy parts are from palm rejection failing(i think) which which i have no problems with. I would still wear a glove to keep the screen clean. Also from what i have seen these laptops have better tracking in the center and this is a corner obviously, is this also normal compared to purpose made hardware?

>>7624746
And here is the video with the timestamp in the link https://youtu.be/ezJUayQ2brA?feature=shared&t=605

>>7624746
>Is wobble an issue that every tablet has in general?
Yes. It's because of the grid behind it. The tablet driver does some kind of smoothing to combat this stuff. People who play OSU remove the smoothing from their wacom tablets and then when they draw with it like that see the same janky lines.

And yes near the corners is an issue with lots of tablets, I think with the nicest newest ones they've finally mitigated it. But if you think about it one sensor on the corner cant be nearly as accurate as a whole group of them like in the center.

What's the reason iPads are the 'default' between that and Android?
Isn't Procreate just the same as Infinite Painter? And with the nib on the ipad pen being plastic and fucking huge, wouldn't it make it harder to do more detailed and accurate lines?

>>7624840
>Yes. It's because of the grid behind it. The tablet driver does some kind of smoothing to combat this stuff
That is a little different from what i have heard while researching these laptops. The grid density matters yes, but allegedly the digitizer is at fault. It interpolates it wrong which can be allegedly improved via proper calibration but either the laptop manufacturer is cheaping out or wacom is purposefully gimping the digitizers in these laptops so there is a reason to get their hardware instead. And any sort of smoothing after the diditizer sends its data is more like a bandaid than a fix. I think that is more likely that the manufacturers just don't care enough. Good models that track well are made seemingly at random with their price not affecting their quality.

Anyways what do you think about how the laptop i posted fairs? I think the difference between krita and photoshop in that video might have something to do with default smoothing settings or something.

And it looks like the pattern is different between devices. Picrel is how my e-reader with an active pen does it. Its not wavy but straight instead.

>>7624675
Post your work, spic

>>7624846
>Isn't Procreate just the same as Infinite Painter?
as someone that uses Infinite Painter, no
the brush engine feels considerably different (I prefer Painter's), but it's also buggier / less reliable overall

>>7554835 (OP)
Sup, is there a good alternative for xiaomi's smart pen?
got a xiaomi pad 5 for dirt cheap and want to try drawing on it, wanna ask around before instead of going right away with the official one

>>7624640
Bruh, you're a whiote CIS privilege richfag, you can afford to get the Wacom one.

>>7624567
Also,
Repair hovering pen and clumsy pen tip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=21LObZYVyLs

>>7554835 (OP)
A good display tablet with a screen meant for pc?

>>7554835 (OP)
I am thinking of getting a (used/refurbished) iPad.
I was at a store a few months ago and got to try it with (one of the many, confusing) apple pencils.
I really liked the fact that it could support artist grips, when you held the pencil with a large tilt the brush would get wider.
I think I also tried procreate on that, IDK, I am not familiar with the apple environment.

However I do not like apple.
Is there an Android Tablet i could get(ideally used/refurbished) with a comparably great Pen?

>>7626893
Samsung ultra is a 14" and any compatible stylus has tilt. You can even use wacom one stylus on it.

I think xppen magic drawing pad has it as well but I've never used one, cant vouch for the quality.

>>7625584
>projecting this much
Brother 1000€ isnt even that much money. Get a job, loser.

>>7554835 (OP)
For a ~$700 budget, what pen display tablet would a schizo recommend?

>>7625584

Lol I'm not, just had a job for 6 years and I saved a decent amount. I just don't want to spend too much on a cintiq if I can get something decent for way less. I heard that the kamvas pro 10 (2024 model) has a decent pen so I'm exploring my options.

>>7627507
Kamvas Pro 19*

My MDP updated and now my pens are fucked. I have two of the pro pens and one just entirely stopped working while the other now continues dragging well after I lift it off the screen. Super annoying. Anyone else get this?

The stock pens seem to be fine.

>>7624840

If this is all tablets, how do people combat this? Just turn up the smoothing to 30%? I can get super smooth linework when working traditional mediums but anything digital comes out fucking wonky. I see a lot of digital art timelapse stuff is just super quick strokes and ctrl+Z 50 times until you get osmething passable, but I can';t work like that.

Are chink shills still here?

>>7627507
the kamvas pro 19 and the artist pro 19 gen2 seem comparable
i'd make the decision based on price and if you need touch or not

Got 500 dollarydoos
Any good display tablet you can buy at a store in freedom land

>>7628139
Yep. Wacom has smoothing in their drivers, as do Samsung and apple. If your tablet doesn't have this in the drivers or it does but it isnt good enough, just turn it on in your drawing program or get a stabilizer program like Lazy Nezumi.

>>7629716
That's unfortunate. I guess I need to just bite the bullet and use smoothing, feels wrong though lol. My big issue seems to be I draw long, slow, strokes, and the tablet don't like that.


I think my options are either use quick strokes, chickenscratch (which a lot of artists I see doing still), or smoothing. It's wild how unintuitive these tablets are coming from traditional mediums.

>>7630279
Yeah, I get it. Just use the least amount you can get away with.

galaxy tab s9 fe or s9 fe plus bros?

>>7630479
Whatever one you can plug into a monitor to extend your screen.

>>7630497
they both can, that's the thing, and that's why I asked because they are so similar with each other in terms of feature but one is titled plus the other is not, but at the same time there's always been a case where additional name in your product series doesnt mean a significant change aside from being more expensive than its predecessor

>>7630506
With samsungs usually plus or ultra versions of something have better specs and bigger screens than the standard versions.

Did you even bother googling "samsung tab 9 fe vs fe plus" because looking up that shit will give you your answer. Any increase in screen size or processing power is worth it.

It's been like 5 months, and I'm still buttblasted that the frego m comes with a slim pen instead of the regular "fat" variants.

Should I get a Kamvas pro 16 2.5k or Kamvas 22 plus? Is the better screen and resolution worth the size reduction?

>>7631461
Would avoid the Kamvas 22 since I see issues of those not lasting too long.

>>7614587
If only I could get my hands on a pro 24 for that price...

uhhhhhh

>>7633589
Okay? If you want help you need to post more than just "uhhhhhh"

>>7633602
oh, i don't need help. I was considering this one but got something else for different reasons.
But still, how would you deal with this? Can smoothing even combat such wobble?

>>7633589
the x380 yoga?

>>7633640
yes. A anon from /g/ tested it for me. Im checking out a x390 yoga in person tomorrow which which as wacom AES 2.0 instead of 1.0 like the x380 yoga.

>>7633609
>Can smoothing even combat such wobble?
Yes, this is what surface pro wobble is like and smoothing is the only fix for that shit.

for me, it's the intuos 3

>>7633651
>surface pro wobble is like
Really? I thought they fixed it with MPP 2.5, or at least those which support it have been tuned against wobble.

>>7630693
i've decided to get s10 fe

>>7633661
Yes SchizOP we know

Interesting software
https://github.com/H-M-H/Weylus

>>7634191
but for what reason

>>7634208
you can use an android/iOS tablet but run full blown desktop applications. I have seen lots of people complain that the mobile version of their favorite software is cucked in one way or another.
Its of interest for poorfags and mobile tablet users who are interested in getting an actual graphical tablet for the PC.

>>7634212
>interested in getting an actual graphical tablet for the PC.
and try it before buying*

I assume this is still a worthless schizo den that you can't use for tablet discussion, but just in case:
What's new with the 2025 magic drawing pad vs the model from last year? It looks like a new pen withb2 shortcut keys and up to android 14 instead of 12, anything else?

>>7634263
Attempting to do more research, it looks like same hardware, but newer OS, and newer pen (now with tilt support)

>>7632150
lol
My 22 plus has been good for over 3 years now, 0 issues.
Use it every day for probably 4-5 hours

>>7623486
Do the ipad pros(even the latest m4 13 inch) suffer from the same thing?

Hello! I wanted to post a review of anyone is indecisive. I bought the galaxy tab s6 lite after you guys spoke so highly of it and I highly recommend it. It's cheaper on amazon than it is on the samsung website. This is my first tablet but I already see my art shooting forward in quality. This was one of the first sketches I made. It may not be fantastic by ic standards but this is one of the best portrait sketches I've made. 10/10 super smooth and portable. Thank you guys for this great recommendation

>>7554835 (OP)
My galaxy tab arrived to day, much faster than I expected.

Ah fuck, I would get S7+ right away if only csp was a one time purchase

>>7554835 (OP)
Is blue light something I should be concerned about? Should I get a screen protector that blocks/filters it, or don't bother?

uh oh time for the schizo to spam the thread

>>7561525
>he trusts sponsored youtuber reviews

>>7620019
Just tested it on my PC, got the same issue but even worse because after I mess with the drivers just like I did on my laptop it momentarily works but like dogshit and stops again.

new
>>7634334
>>7634334
>>7634334

>>7554835 (OP)
Has anyone used an iPad and like... A kamvas or something. I absolutely detest how the iPad feels. I like my intuos a lot, but wanted to try a screenless tablet other than an iPad

>>7602368
the newer gen air is a better purchase. Same size as the pro. The pro has an OLED panel but you don't need that for art

>>7634356
Congratulations you hate wacom AES. Look for any tablet listed as EMR.

When do you change your nibs?
Is there like a hard limit? I know that you have to change them before they start to scratch your tablet, but before that can you keep using them just fine?

kinda wanna switch from a wacom intuos and get a huion tablet...idk

>>7554835 (OP)
Buy an ad.

>>7624482
Not even that, I just use a damp rag that's not too rough, it's a screenless tablet mind you, wonder how your friend set up that bidbot I'd like to learn.