>be commissioner
>work with several artists over several years
>always pay up front if asked, always tip like thirty percent, always make sure to express how much I love their work
>without fail, a few years go by and they stop answering messages
>some even leave the current paid for commission half finished
What fucking gives? I will pay you assholes to draw large woman as fast as you can deliver it. I thought you all wanted to make money, so why is it so hard to paypig for you retards? No, really. Every time I get a good artist I want to do repeat work with, they never last longer than the fifth or sixth commission before leaving me on read. And I'm just asking for muscular woman with large tits! It’s not even a fetish!

Could be several things.
I wonder if you're commissioning them too frequently? Art isn't a corner store where regulars are always welcome.
Sometimes they want to deal with different ideas.

Not to mention social media requires them to be curate what they post, otherwise, they'll become "the artist who draws muscular big titty women".

If they are already this kind of artist, then
> ITS JUST YOU BUDDY!
Maybe you're rubbing them the wrong way somehow. I always tried to be a bitch for my commissioners. Always refunded when I failed though - thats fucked up if they dont pay you back.

Also, if its NSFW your commissioning, this is par for the course. I've nuked 4 times already because of guilt and life circumstances but keep coming back because I really cant stand working IRL. Just being honest there. I'm not the only one.

>>7577781 (OP)
Keep in mind that only mentally unstable people become artists in those times.

>>7577781 (OP)
>asking for muscular woman with large tits!
I for one will take your money

>>7577808
Post your portfolio and prices.

>>7577781 (OP)
>It’s not even a fetish!
why are coomers always so delusional

>>7577781 (OP)
>It’s not even a fetish!
If you have to go out of your way to cope on an anonymous imageboard, I can only imagine how exhausting you are when you lay yourself bare to someone as a person with an identity.
You get off on muscular women with big tits, nobody cares, bro. We don't need the song and dance, we know what you do with these.

>>7577810
Line work 30usd
Flats 35usd
Colours 40usd

>>7577781 (OP)
>without fail, a few years go by and they stop answering messages
Could just be a matter of them moving on from art commissions, after all, it's not really a long term job thing.
>some even leave the current paid for commission half finished
But this is really unprofessional and douchy, especially after being tipped and frequented so often.

However, if they are still doing art commissions, there could be a plethora of reasons why they'd stop taking your commissions anon, and none of them are particularly flattering for you, unfortunately (still doesn't change that they should have finished their last job for you though).
You could be far bee far too needy, or you could be rude (despite tips), or they find your commissions dull, there's any number of reasons - though it just doesn't look good for you if a business refuses to accept your money in particular.
It might be good to shoot a few of them a message to simply ask why they stopped taking your commissions in particular if this is the case; it's better to know the truth than wallow in ignorance and keep doing whatever it is you're possibly doing.

>>7577826
>those hands
Eww.

>>7577851
Yeah, one of my many weak points. Studies are being done tho.

>>7577781 (OP)
>30% tip
Lemme guess... $15 commissions?

>>7577781 (OP)
>doesn't wants to deal with the human element of creating art
Then just AI generate your coomer fetish images, dawg.

>>7577918
disingenuous

>>7577918
>Go to restaurant
>Waiter ignores you
>Chef under cooks everything
>Complain to Manger
>"That's just the human element of a restaurant, sir"
Stop being a dumbass. When you start accepting money for something, and make it a business, there's a level of professionalism to be expected.
Also, why would you want to push people towards AI? That's just bad for the industry as a whole.

I'm not pornbrained or socialmediabrained enough to attract follow-up clients, but I have been offered to do commission work IRL and online and usually I just drag my feet on it until I ghost them, or maybe explain I'm not interested anymore eventually. I'm probably the extreme end of the spectrum, not wanting to draw for other people, but I have to imagine everyone feels the same way, after a point. Normals and even other artists don't always appreciate this though. They want what they want, and see you as an art gachapon machine rather than another individual who also wants what he wants.
Nothing wrong with drawing for pay, but don't assume everyone is always enthusiastic to draw your crap, either.

>>7577808
>>7577781 (OP)
same specialy if you ask for mirko but i'll be aviable around mid june

Line work 50usd
Flats 60usd
Colours 90
usd

>>7577826
OP here, you have socials?

>>7577873
One of my main guys was $120 an image, another is $250 (he still responds), and the guy who charged $35 I used to tip $35 because I told him his prices should be way higher

>>7578009
Caught me just before bed.
Here you go. https://x.com/StjerneStirre

I'd recommend getting this guy tho, >>7577966
Also, ask him for his socials for me.

>>7577800
Rarely would the artists post my works on their socials. They might have been embarrassed

>>7578012
Okay
>>7577966
You have socials?

>>7578015
https://x.com/IchiGsm

>>7577810
If what you want is something similar in quality to the OP picture, I can do it.

>>7578039
If you can do quality like OP’s picture you have a serious gift. Post contact info

>>7577781 (OP)
Dealing with some artists while commissioning is what made me decide to get better at art. I'm still waiting for an 80 dollar comm from 2 years ago and I don't even want it anymore but I can't charge back.

>Missed a good opportunity by not speccing into muscular women
owari da..

>>7577781 (OP)
Dunno I do like muscles but I also like to combine them with fat girls

>>7578051
Here's my burner account https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/100715729
DM me your commission idea there, thanks.

>>7578066
Are you one of the artists who already commented in this thread?

>>7577781 (OP)
Artists are humans not machines. A million things can happen to people, and you will never know. During the pandemic lots of draw fags just fell off the planet. I bet many just died. Who cares.

>>7578075
I'm >>7578039

>>7577781 (OP)
I am an artist in a similar situation but I'm not really doing it on purpose. Thankfully it's just the 1 in progress and one really good guy who keeps asking me if I want to do his idea.

I try to be professional. I am not taking on additional commissions and then pretending things never happened like some do. But I also don't like giving the impression I am making excuses or that this is normal and I would like to just smoothly reintegrate my work back into the flow when I can.

The specifics in my case... I've been dealing with things like mild mold in my home, poor sleep, and various other small problems that are just crushing me, on top of the mental issues I already have. Some days I'm not even eating properly. My subconscious goes full short-term retard without me noticing
>moving expends less energy than getting up to make food! So just don't move!
It's stupid. In any other line of work I would be completely fucked so I guess I can count myself lucky.

I don't want to burden my commissioners with this knowledge so I left them on read with the intent to reply the next day when I'm ready to put more work in. And then the next day had its own problems, and so I left them on read, and -


Anyway OP, I don't have a solution for you. If there was a Yelp type thing for commissioners to discuss and rate artists I would support it - I have been on the commissioner end before too and I know how it feels.

>>7578273
Really close to what happens to me. I had to close my commissions when the interest was growing because I couldn't work on anything else before finishing what's already on my plate, and since it never gets done, I keep struggling with money too.

Did people who only commed you once not like your art?

>>7578064
Based.

Musclefat is shamefully a much overlooked aesthetic.

>>7577781 (OP)
you can commission me anon, I do anthro and non-anthro

>>7577781 (OP)
>muscular woman with large tits

do people really want to commission this?
i don't know what is more profitable nowadays to be honest

>>7578525
>nowadays
Bro, I remember back in 2004 deviantART musclefags being the most popular, next to the inflationfags.

>>7578380
What’s the watermark name, bigdoinks? Your socials, man!

>>7578733
ye!
@biggeroldoinks on twitter
@bgldnks on bsky

i wish we had more of these threads, spreading the community and work

>>7578901
Honestly I'm surprised there isn't a Comsheet general or something here.

>>7580351
its cause advertising is against the rurus

Im willing to whip something out for free as a demo, just to see if i can pull something like this off @capokeyt on twitter

>>7577781 (OP)
Sorry that happened to u anon, that's shitty. Not all buff babe artists are retards like this tho. There are good ones out there, I promise. Thanks for supporting real artists! @cheekie_

>>7578273
Did you charge them upfront? Regardless of your personal reasons, if you keep a client waiting without proper communication, you shouldn’t be charging upfront payments. I charge upfront because I have never made my client wait for more than a day to respond to their msg and I finish coms within 7 to 10 business days.

You guys make us look bad

>>7580519
The Game.

>>7577864
Just draw the fingers thinner. If you put your fingers, excluding the thumb, together, and measure the width at the fingertips they're only around 2/3-3/4 the width of the widest point of your palm. They're just designed so that they converged towards at the palm when curled, no matter how wide you fan them out, creating the illusion they might be as a thick as the palm. Your hand is basically a trapezoid

>>7580544
Thanks anon. I'll keep this in mind.

>>7580353
Makes sense. I understand the rule but still. It's pretty on topic for the culture here.

Kek, maybe we could get away with a 'Comsheet feedback/critique' thread.

>>7580533
It's just one who has paid me at the moment and he never messages me first anyway. The other guy WANTS a comm. I could be doing far worse in the meantime to make artists look bad, like drawing gift art, taking on additional commissions, or opening emergency comms and then showing the new videogames I got on social media. I honestly think those kinds of people are why it feels like saying that I've been dealing with health problems would come a cross as a cop-out, but I don't want to go into the juicy details about mold exposure symptoms.

I just have been doing loose practice work and exercises and posting none of it. At least my skills will be better when I finish his piece than what he assumed I could do at the start.

>>7580602
it doesn't matter what your excuses is. If you get people's hard earned money then do your job and be a decent artist. Stop accepting money upfront if you're slow.

>>7580722
I do deliver in the same time frame you do, normally. Shit's just fallen apart lately man.

>>7577781 (OP)

Your mistake OP is to think artists own you anything, you are just a client in a McDonald's food chain.

Artists don't own you a good service just because you pay them more and is "kind" to them.

>>7577781 (OP)
Yo OP, did you hire any of the desperate people ITT that posted their socials?

>>7581388
If you choose an artist whose skill and service are on par with a McDonald's worker, then yeah, that's what you usually get. Higher quality artists tend to provide decent service as if they (owe) you something because they actually care about their reputation, their art and clients.

>>7581528
I actually did hire one person who was willing to draw two characters for $100.

I love muscle girls

>>7582745

>>7582746
very nice

>>7578353
Probably.

>>7580353
What about the shilling socials thread that used to appear here? I dont see them anymore, did they get banned?

>>7582909
I miss those. Found a lot of cool artists that way.

>sorry boss, I can't come into work today, I've got mild mold in my house
>no really, AND I've been getting poor sleep!
>it's been really tough lately

>>7582745
You draw this? Image search doesn't give anything aside from a worthless tiktok link

>>7585201
yea

Hey OP, I can make you something like the image you posted. Or even better! I'll send you a rough sketch for free if you want.

>>7577966
How do people like this even get commissions when any decent jap on skeb is half the price?

>>7590025
The mysterious hand of the market.
Similarly, how do webcomic artists make a living selling generic merch like mugs and t-shirts? Surely they do not attract an audience that is more likely than average to need a new mug or a new shirt in any given time period.

>>7590025
Japs take ages and have insane ghosting rates.

>>7577781 (OP)
As far as my output goes I'm very slow, but if 3-4 months of wait time for the finished piece sounds alright I can post some of my stuff if you're interested

>>7577781 (OP)
>>without fail, a few years go by and they stop answering messages
>>some even leave the current paid for commission half finished

I'm also a commissioner and I hate this. Unless you as an artist ended up in the hospital or family died there's no fucking reason you can't message your client and say something, ANYTHING! If you can't finish a commission msg say sorry I can't do this anymore and send the refund back. NO FUCKING DEPRESSION ISN'T A REASON TO GHOST YOUR CLIENT

>>7590025
Skeb kinda sucks though. No communication with the artist? I remember one Jap artist I followed posted a skeb commission with a message apologizing that it wasn't what the client asked for. What? If I'm going to pay your jap ass 200,000 yen for art you're going to draw what I asked for this isn't play time for you

>>7590896
Go back to your westoid slop, whiny retard.

>>7590919
>noo you're suppose to be happy you didn't get what you wanted
Suck a big fat one, damn idiot

>>7590896
>No communication with the artist?
It's the same with pixiv. The point is to avoid troll commissions where they ask for revision and revision or unreasonable changes.

>>7577781 (OP)
I'm the complete opposite desu.
>Slightly above-mediocre artist
>Can make decent art that usually gets compared to stuff like lodoss war
>Get commissions every now and then
>People pay up front
>Always immediately have a borderline panic attack that if I don't finish the work within 3 days they'll think I'm scamming them
>Work tirelessly for the next 48 hours without sleeping to make sure it gets finished
>feel imposter syndrome the entire time despite every customer always being really happy with the results

>>7591773
man as a client I give the artists a lot of leeway. I don't start asking about a commission unless I haven't received a sketch in 1-2 weeks or haven't had any communication with them in a month.

>>7577781 (OP)
>>7577810
I haven't drawn muscle girls in awhile but they are fun. I'd do it since I have free time this summer if you're looking still.

https://slopsama.carrd.co/

>>7591773
How did you get into doing commissions anon? As a crap tier artist myself I'm curious, how did you open up to that if you're comfortable explaining your process from "i wanna do comms" to "wtf someone wants one??"

>>7596022
NTA but if you build it, they will coooome.

I'm going to shamelessly piggyback off of this op since I see a lot of artists who take comms commenting in here and I'm a commissioner.
Have had a slight bit of difficulty finding artists who are willing to draw this oc of mine. She's a waffen-ss soldier and kemonomimi. If anyone would like to work with this kinda thing leave a social (preferably non-twitter) and I can reach out. With my budget I could probably do up to a max of $150 per piece right now.

>drawing for myself
>interesting compositions, weird and wacky poses
>few colors and overall tighter line economy
>people like it
>people commission me
>1girl standing in a basic pose
>tits and ass both visible
>face fully visible and level with the camera
>every accessory and special marking clearly visible

>>7598011
I can do it, send a message to my burner mail: anondraw@proton.me

>>7598011
>Have had a slight bit of difficulty finding artists who are willing to draw this oc of mine.
>She's a waffen-ss soldier
Anon...

>>7598011
Not my thing (I do mostly extreme fetish art) but I showed my buddy who doesn't use this site and he said he might be interested. Attached his some of his sketches with his info.

I have some experience with muscular babes.
Moquedami#3368 (discord)

>>7577781 (OP)
I miss my reliable coommissioner, he died of the coof.

>>7598269
>he died of the coof
Was he like a literal old man or something?

>>7580590
>maybe we could get away with a 'Comsheet feedback/critique' thread.
You may have just cracked the code.

>>7577781 (OP)

Hey I want to participate Too! This is my latest commission done, I hope you all like it. Sorry I need to catbox it because file size.
https://files.catbox.moe/ajklf4.png

Each piece is $52, for now...

These are my socials:
https://x.com/leestatsekai
https://bsky.app/profile/leestatsekai.bsky.social
https://leestatsekaih.newgrounds.com

Feel free to DM if you like my work

What kind of commissions do you guys get from channers here?

>>7577821
I can guarantee you this guy is what I call the "last resort commissioner".
>'HEY BRO LOOK HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS FETISH THIS IS MY PERSONALITY"
Artists who are in a shit financial situation say yes to them due to desperation.
They think of art like prostitution and get a new high every time they commission someone. A new artists is like a new whore for them, a new toy. Its like when guys have daddy issues and fuck as many prostitutes as possible. Its the same exact shit why millionaires hire those cheap prostitutes, often trannies, because it gives them a new experience, a new state of high. Then they cry about artists, but they completely fail to understand the process with them felt like putting your dick into a deep frier. Or better yet cry about skeb not coming out as a 1:1 image they had in their head.

I rather eat maruchan for months to save up money than to do anything with his kind. In fact I would pay money for them stay the fuck away from me.

>>7598169
>Anon...
Yeah, I know why people wouldn't want to draw that.

>>7598565
I'm curious, what do you commission with your OC? Why does she have to be a Waffen-SS soldier? Do you like the aesthetic?

I'd love to see some commissions if you're willing to share. She is kinda cute.

>>7598011
does she need to be muscular

>>7598011
>furries don't want to draw nazis
>naziboos don't want to draw furries
it was over for you before it began
>inb4 ummmm eckshooallie you see ke-ACK
casual furry cope

>>7598568
>what do you commission with your OC?
Her in different uniforms and different kinds of equipment mostly.
>Why does she have to be a Waffen-SS soldier?
The waffen-ss had different uniforms and equipment that I like.
>Do you like the aesthetic?
Yes I really like military aesthetic stuff and different uniforms. I have multiple similar ocs for different armies and countries. I'm usually not interested in anything too modern.
I attached one that's in progress right now. She's wearing a reversible winter/camouflage parka and holding a StG 44.

>>7598575
Nah

>>7598584
Honestly I would gladly draw your kind of autism, mainly because I have a level of tolerance high enough to not get too disgusted, but I'm just not good enough to draw proper action pieces with a background and theme.
Still, I hope you find somebody that will do work for you, 150 is a fair price for simple poses with line-art.
>In progress
I hope the end result is up to your standards.

>>7598011
>preferably non-twitter)
I've seen naziboo communities among SEA posters and certain Japs on twitter, comb through their followed accounts/retweets and you might be able to find someone.

>>7598584
Is she wearing a Russian hat?

>>7598639
NTA but Ushankas were quite common on the eastern front, they were often taken from caches, prisoners or even dead bodies. They were mainly favoured because it was cold as fucking shit and it kept most of your head warm and could prevent frostbite in places like your ears.

>>7598639
>>7598647
The Germans also issued their own versions of ushankas and furred hats at some point too

>>7598607
>I hope the end result is up to your standards.
Thanks!
>>7598182
I forgot to ask, do they do non muscle stuff?

OP is definitely the type of person who gets off on trying to make artists enjoy their fetish

>>7599219
Yup, it's just his main thing but he does vehicles and normal characters too. I don't know what he'd use as a finished example of those, but I can ask him if he plans on finishing any of that kind in the near future.

>>7590821
posting my work anyway because I could use a critique

>>7577781 (OP)
literally just commission me at this point ill draw big muscular girls for you

>>7601051
you need to draw the hands. maybe thin the lines on her body facing the light.

>>7601051
Needs a huge futa cock
And pubes

>>7577804
Cuz even a drooling IQ 75 will figure out he can make more money sweeping floors at McDonald's.

>>7578077
They finally had all the time in the world to do art which is the worst thing that can ever happen to you.

I think I realized why doing commissions is so agonizing. They can't be done in one sitting. I can have fun drawing something for 3 hours polishing it and finishing it and going into the zone, but with a commission you can't do that. You first have to sketch something, show it to them, wait a day for their reponse, and if you're lucky they won't want anything changed. But if they do want something changed, you're ALREADY losing time. So you have to be creative and make a new sketch or improve it, and when they like it, you can proceed with actually drawing it now. So the flow state you had when sketching it before is long gone, you have to wait until it happens again and who knows how long that'll take, then when you draw and color it, you show it to them, and they want things changed. So you have to go BACK A THIRD OR FOURTH TIME on the drawing that you thought was fine and then hope you can finally leave it to rest this time. Then if they're happy with it, you are finally done, but it took multiple sessions and flow states and several charges of mental energy when you could have just drawn the entire thing in one sitting AND had fun doing it.

>>7577781 (OP)
What countries are the artists from?
In expensive places like the usa a lot of artists need to take an unreasonable amount of commissions to make ends meet, they also dont have the absurd work ethic of the japanese, so they burn out.

SEA artists with their low cost of living are much more reliable.

>>7577829
>It might be good to shoot a few of them a message to simply ask why they stopped taking your commissions in particular if this is the case; it's better to know the truth than wallow in ignorance and keep doing whatever it is you're possibly doing.
I agree I think OP should do this to learn why
Then he will know what the issue is in the future

You gotta bug them and threaten to cancel them because they're retards who have no external accountability
>took me almost two years to finish an artwork because commissioner doesn't ask for updates

I'm curious on your opinion of this sketch, any critique/comments would be welcome

If you're interested in commissioning let me know
https://x.com/8log4ICY

>>7598011
I love drawing stuff like this but I'm an AI assisted slopper

>work hard on a commission
>expect it to blow their socks off
>"great, thanks"

>>7609716
I've never worked on a commish but I've done art trades and replies like that are definitely a got punch.

I'll always try point out things that I think the other person did well and try word my reply in a way that gets the joy I feel across through text, which can be hard.

>>7609716
I get butthurt with that reaction only if it's a free request or an art trade, with commissions the payment is all I need.

@zhaarart on twitter

>>7577781 (OP)
im good at drawing muscular, can pull something of the op pic quality or better depending on the styles you like every week.

>>7598011
i dont really care about politics but i gotta say i really like the nazi germany outfits, as long as you dont get comically political wont care about it.

rn i do mostly sketches, can add colors here and there with no problem. i also work on client budget but i wont work for less than 60 dollars. i dont do social media seriously and i move on dc mostly.

>>7577781 (OP)
>What fucking gives?
No contract, no legal threat, no fire under their asses.

Don't work with artists that don't use contracts that specify you have to pay by x date and they have a deadline of y date or risk a lawsuit.

>>7578353
Nah people like variety and there's a weird "damn i don't wanna bother him too much" feeling from a comissioner pov too.

>>7609716
I always try to dump a paragraph on an artist about how I like the commission and list a specific thing I like.
if I were to leave a curt response like that its because I didn't like the art or the commissioning experience and just want to get out of dodge

>>7578353
I have a stable of artists I commission on the regular but sometimes I'll come across an artist whose art style I'd like to see tackle my OCs but I just have too many ideas for my regulars to come back and do more.

>>7598225
Is that Baki Hanma in the middle?

>>7614550
damn hes good

>>7614550
>rn i do mostly sketches, can add colors here and there with no problem. i also work on client budget but i wont work for less than 60 dollars. i dont do social media seriously and i move on dc mostly.
Hey, sounds good to me. If you wanna drop a contact I'll add you, but probably wont be able to comm until after a week or so.

>>7616887
Yes!

>tfw the sexy shit you draw is normie core that anyone can find anywhere
>no unique fetish or specialty to hook people like OP

>>7577781 (OP)
https://bsky.app/profile/behemotharts.bsky.social
I need money and my commissions are open.
£70 for a full body flat colour, could throw in some basic shading if the design isnt too complex.

>>7619612
RATO SEXO UOOOH!

>>7619612
yeah. my portfolio is only just starting and it hasn't developed a niche yet
maybe we're over thinking it and should just draw anything.

I do commission work. I just do finished Paintings with charcoal, graphite on high quality paper, varnished. My insta is: fata.morgana.93
If youre interested you can also add me on Telegram: fatamorgana93
DM me and we can discuss the Details and the Price.

>>7620782
Can you draw animu style?

>>7577781 (OP)
>some even leave the current paid for commission half finished
It's called burning out, anon.

>>7577781 (OP)
I'll save this rabbit

>>7629116
>damn I'm burned out, can't finish this com or send a refund... oh well

dropping some of my work since i see some people advertising here... i draw anime girls of all kinds, would love to draw some muscular ones. price is pretty much anything over 35$ depending on size of comm, i just wanna save up to buy better stuff to draw with.
discord is burningbirds. (period at the end of it)

>>7577781 (OP)
As for the artist receiving commission, its kinda reverse for me. (and most of my work are big muscular woman with big breast)
I also treat this as a business so a regular is even more welcome as they won't do stupid shit.

But also, years go by, people change, and some regular stops commissioning and I think its pretty normal.

What new for me is that your problem is exact opposite and I don't get it.

>>7577781 (OP)

i haven't had this issue, and i'm pretty prolific with commissions, including NSFW art. the only issue i've had is that artists tend to put me on a schedule where they only really respond at the start of a month and then spend the rest of the month offline doing whatever.

I'm not posting to shill myself just wondering if anons would pay 10$ for a commission of this quality and what I might be doing wrong. I've had my shit priced for 10$ per piece for years now and only ever had 1 commission this entire time

>>7634277
There's nothing interesting about that. It's a static generic pose, almost sterile. You have the skill to charge more than 10 dollars, but you don't have the sexual appeal. I don't do muscle mommy furry shit, so I can't tell you specifically how to fix this, but I can tell you that I've seen some tomboy muscle mommies that make me hard and this isn't doing that for me. For instance, if the whole appeal of muscle mommies is muscles, why not oil that bad boy up? Add some glistening highlights on the abs, make the clothing a little skimpier or choose a much more lewd pose. I'd imagine people who like muscle mommies like dominant women, draw shit with feet or do dominant low angle positions. The (Her) right boob is also flat while the left is voluminous.

The easiest answer is just draw what makes you horny, you can't go wrong with that. Let me put it this way, if you had a restaurant and the chef was capable of making decent flavorful food, but all they advertised was unseasoned pasta at the front door, would you even step inside and give them a chance? Your skill isn't what's lacking, it's not even the appeal, you just aren't thinking like a gooner.

>>7634277
Depends on how big your boobs can get

>>7634281
>The easiest answer is just draw what makes you horny, you can't go wrong with that. Let me put it this way, if you had a restaurant and the chef was capable of making decent flavorful food, but all they advertised was unseasoned pasta at the front door, would you even step inside and give them a chance? Your skill isn't what's lacking, it's not even the appeal, you just aren't thinking like a gooner.

this is the best lewd art advice you'll ever get here but anons would rather grind cubes and art courses all day (which is quite alright in moderation btw), then they try to draw something NSFW and miss the point completely.

also people are more likely to comm someone who is a gooner like themselves rather than someone who comes off as uninterested, sterile and "professional". you are drawing stuff that helps people jork it, not the sistine chapel ceiling

understanding what makes a pair of abs worthy of having the sweat licked off them is more important than having perfect form understanding and painting 3000 spheres.

>>7577781 (OP)
>>be commissioner
>>work with several artists over several years
I thought you were art commissioner for a city or something (didn't see pic).
>What fucking gives? I will pay you assholes to draw large woman
Of course just another gooner. What the hell is it with this board

Commission thread?
https://x.com/goobdo
Currently working on a series of 6 bug girls, but feel free to hit me up

>>7635444
Grinding fundies is still important imo, but many artists get lost in the sauce, especially if they want to make art a steady income. Making art aimlessly without any intent or audience in mind and hoping to make a living out of it, is literally just playing the lottery, except worse, because at first glance, you only have your skills to blame even if they're up to par, when the problem is you don't know how to appeal to people you want to attract. I seriously think a lot of /ic/ could benefit from a very basic course on art entrepreneurship, many of the people here have the skills, they just don't know how to create or find their audience. Just like with art, entrepreneurship is a lot more intuitive for some than others, especially the jews among us, if you think your skills are up to par but aren't finding success, you just don't know how to connect with an audience.

is it soulless? absolutely, but that's what being a commercial artist is. If you chose to make art your primary career with no other income sources like a fucking retarded smoothbrained dumbass, you don't have the luxury of a secondary income, so to make the art you want to make, you need to sell out to some degree. Being paid to make art you enjoy making is every artist's dream, but you aren't going to get there overnight, you need to build your brand over time. Look at any big artist with a transparent background and you'll find they did many kinds of side gigs to supplement their income (this is just the hyper saturated commercial/influencer artist path btw, there are many different paths for an artist to take).

>>7634277
$10 is too low imo, how much time did it take you to make that?

>>7577781 (OP)
Wish I have someone like you. Anyway, since everyone's shameless here and with the banning of com threads, fug it! Here's my sheet. I always have a slot or two every first week of the month, so just dm away!

>>7641571
was about to say the girl on the right looks hot...then i noticed.....why....

>>7641605
oh that's an alt. had to put it there for kink range, because yeah I get a ton of futa coms.

>>7641571
This, I wish I had a whale commissioner

>>7641676
based

>>7590894

You're not entitled to a response. Artists like us have lives.

>>7602683
Most of all it needs a better artist.

>>7580351
usually it's drawthreads that are used for that, if you deliver enough then people will ask for your twitter/blog to commission you.
but yeah i agree it's dumb that you can't shill here

>>7651208
>pay an artist
>you're not entitled to a response
lol ok

I once had someone commission me like 5 times in a row and it was great to get consistent work like that even if my price was low ($40). They probably thought so too since they'd always tip. Then again all I draw is anime girls in a white void.

>>7651753
what are you charging for your anime girls in white voids now? $100?

>>7577966
>90 usd for that
I thought i was being greedy asking for 70

>No comm money
>Artists respond
>Have comm money
>No artists respond
It's not a coincidence anymore. It happens every time I get money for comms. It's like artists know when I'm broke or not. I just want my shota OC drawn.

>>7656830
You're supposed to hold onto the comm money as a dedicated part of your entertainment budget for the month and not spend it on anything else

>>7656864
I do, and I almost always get commissions when I have extra money...

>>7598011
i think the main hurdle is the design is boring if it's just some soldier. it's not really much of an OC in that case, is it? just some anime catgirl in an SS uniform. rather than the subject matter it's just a boring character. there's no problem with drawing the uniform either, hellsing fanart is perfectly acceptable and not everyone is californian.

>>7657339
I don't agree with you that it's boring necessarily. I think rather if there's an issue (beyond Waffen SS/furry) it's that drawing military gear/uniforms is a niche unto itself which some artists avoid, like how you often see Mecha and Armour in artists DO NOT draw sections

>>7657567
what do you think military gear is? it's dress shirts and dress pants. if you've drawn a seifuku you've got the knowledge to draw military outfits. military outfits are easy to work with as long as you know how to draw folds. also mecha is just a perspective check, easiest thing in the world to draw since it's not much more complicated than putting a few boxes together in 3d space. though i see it from the artist side, not the commissioner side, so my perspective is different.

>>7658024
I once commissioned an artist who drew pretty much only fantasy art but it was for scifi characters. when I got the finished piece it was like they forgot how to draw, I was so shocked and surprised by the finished art (but I still said nice work and thanks!).
anyway my point is artists are fickle beings and drawing is just as much about state of mind and comfort zones. I definitely learned after that commission to be mindful of what artists I'm interested in comming are mostly drawing.
Not to say that every artist drawing outside their comfort zone will result in bad art but it might be a red flag to hear 'I'm not use to drawing that but I'll try'.

I had an artist ghost me for a whole year then give me a refund because apparently what I wanted was too hard somehow(it was a simple tiddy drop) and said I could get a free comm.
I am now on month 3 after asking for that free comm and being ghosted again.

I don't know what it is but lately I've been having issues with artists. I pay them ASAP and throw in tips of 20-50 so I really don't get it.

>>7601051
Nice work but don't forget the hands.
Are you on bluesky?

>>7577781 (OP)
Hold on. Why would commissioners be here as a commissioner? Is there an interesting reason like trying to learn how to draw yourself or a curiosity as to the growth of artists?

>>7591773
please just make it a goal to update with a wip every 1-2 days. I also feel a similar pressure when it comes to this stuff, but even the tiniest thing: Here's how much of the lines I did. Color is done! etc.

Commissions dont have to be amazon work sessions, you are your own boss just make sure youre responsible and not too lax.

>>7577781 (OP)
Personally i will ditch a commissioner if they force me to draw in a style i dont like. Im working for a guy right now who insists that i draw obese women and im getting tired of it. No matter how fat i make them initially he always wants them to be fatter. Sometimes i draw petit women just to reclaim my sense of control over my life.

>>7660623
Sometimes i think that it's not about making them fat. Sometimes i think he enjoys making me make them fatter. He wants to see the transition from fat to fatter in my sketches.

>>7660623
Bro just tell him you're not into it. And all the revisions are money. There's tons of fat fetish artists he could have a wonderful time supporting instead, why are you torturing yourself with this guy?

>>7660431
I can understand that. everyone has subjects they're drawn to, after all. i think it's strange because artists should have a basic level of competency across all subject fields, and the fact that they're able to draw should allow them to easily translate most of their baseline skills to a different subject and pick it up easily. though, i've seen other artists get stopped in their tracks when asked to draw unusual subject matter as well.

>>7577781 (OP)
Reasons:
Depression
Burnout
They don't like the content of your commissions
They have bigger orders
They don't feel your commissions help promote their image
They undercharge and begin to feel resentment, but also lack the courage to increase their rate especially when dealing with a repeat customer
They take commissions as a side deal and they don't survive on commissions so they are prone to putting things on the backburner
Genuinely just forgetting
(Nothing you've said indicates this about you, but) the customer is a pain to work with

I tend to have so many people contacting me about commissions relative to my capacity to work on them that yeah, sometimes people who expressed interest in ordering from me with a small order (but no payment received) do get forgotten because somebody else contacted me about a much larger order. My one character rate is honestly too low to really be worth my time, so if non-picky repeat buyer wants a multi-part commission with paid alts and whatnot, I'm going to do that first before getting back in touch with new people who were interested in something cheaper. I know I have one customer who always tried to haggle and I will generally accept a bit less since his ideas are stuff I can post and that others would like, but his will always be at the bottom of my list, and I will only formally accept if nobody else is currently interested.

>>7660985
Yes and no. God-tier artists can draw everything well, sure, but a lot of high skill artists will indeed focus on one thing to the exclusion of others, to the point that their skill drops when trying to draw something else. The reality is that a LOT of the more popular social media artists will indeed only draw in one singular style and only draw a relatively small selection of things, in part because that's probably what they like, and the more you focus on just one, or a very small selection of things, the better you will get at it.
Just think about it more broadly. There are artists who are known as portrait artists, landscape artists, character designers, etc. I remember on YouTube seeing the god-tier artist/animator John Pomeroy drawing a supposed "anime" character, and it really wasn't too far removed from the thing you'd see in an American, circa 2000, "How to Draw Japanese Anime" book, despite his other drawings coming out amazing with seemingly little effort.
Some artists do focus on being versatile, but versatility is in and of itself a very difficult skill, and will sometimes come at the expense of being a master at a small range of styles and subject matter (jack of all trades, master of none, as they say)

>>7591773
I feel that. I wanna do more commissions too but the anxiety man... I wish I could just do everything in person: the business talk, the drafts and feedback, using cash to avoid getting banned on paypal for selling NSFW art...
I also don't want to be heckled for my prices by an internet mob... Cost of living in my country is pretty high so idk if this all is even worth it...

>>7661092
>Genuinely just forgetting
Something tells me they did not forget to spend the money.

>>7651807
I actually haven't gotten and comms in a while since then, I'd probably ask for something like $60 now

>>7661390
Probably not. But a lot of online commission artists are probably adult children who have never had a "real job" with formal deadlines and hours, and instead probably make sub-minimum wage on commissions, all of which they immediately blow on toys because real life expenditures are probably covered by either their parents, gibs, or a trust fund.

>>7662661

>>7662661
Who else can afford to draw for less than minimum wage? I'd assume that people that work 40 hours a week want to have actual time off rather than turning their passion into another number's game.
I'd assume that commission taking artists who don't fall into this category either set their prices higher so that the pay is actually worth it or they live in some third world country where less than minimum wage of a first world country is still a lot of money and also worth it.

>>7663019
Third worlder commission artists are indeed very common and they do use commissions as a source of real, life sustaining income, because they live in countries where a hundred or so bucks a week is a livable wage Seriously, if you ever see an artist on social media who takes (typically cheap) commissions and posts a new drawing damn near every day, you're almost guaranteed to find some terribly broken English, because said artists typically live somewhere in Central America, South America, or Southeast Asia.
If you find a commission artist with good English, chances are they post infrequently and rarely open commissions. It's kind of a self-fulfilling doomspiral for them, because low artistic output means slower skill development and less reach, which means they can't charge as much for their commissions, which means it becomes almost impossible for them to ever reach a skill level and output volume to be able to work as a full time independent commission artist while living in their first world country.
Thirdworld artists can grow their accounts fast because they can draw like their life depends on it, which it does, and doing so results in them potentially reaching a level of skill and fame that warrants commission pricing and volume which would even pass for an OK salary in a firstworld country.
I'm a firstworlder who relies on family money and does commissions for the hell of it, and I will say that many of the active commission artists in my corner of the internet are some sort of Latino.

>>7663059
I'm a thirdworlder who makes between $600 - $1000 USD a month between commissions and patreon. I live like a king here and I have so much free time. The minimum wage inmy country is about $600 USD. So im making like, manager level salary (for my country)

>>7663114
pyw? I would suck a toe for $400 a month