Paradoxically, by denying the world, you obtain the world.

The 'inner' could unfold, but that lies in another's will.

what side of the brain made this post?

>>7582592
I've lost my 'balance': I'm much less 'oversocialized' than usual.

I have lost several ties to the 'social context', which is why my spirit is free.

damn how did you talented rat improved so much in few months?

>>7582613
I haven’t 'improved'; rather, I’ve become ‘vertical’...

By the way, I’ve created an 'ethos channel' — although I haven’t named it — for those who share my anti-Tezukism manifesto:

ethos-channel.glitch.me

>>7582589 (OP)
>>7582606
>>7582619
This shit rocks, dude

>>7582787
Thank you. The 'asemic' style is perplexing, but it is the soul’s most sincere expression: a style that creates for the self, not for others

the schizos are learning how to actually draw. i guess that's good

>>7583301
Thanks. I guess... By the way, you calling me 'schizo' is more of a compliment than an insult. If you really want to offend me, you should call me a 'normie' or 'canonical'...

congrats on anon.
never heard of asemic writing
never heard of anti-tezukism
sounds like a case of "the word is not the thing" and you're specifically choosing not to explain for the person who's confused.

>>7583624
It's not that it's just a superficial gimmick... [...] I'm a very intuitive person... and I feel that by naming things, part of the miracle of creation is lost. It's like if dreams came with a title and a copyright symbol. Also, some sincere altruistic acts I've done recently have been attacked quite unfairly. That's why I'm more depersonalized —autistic?— than usual.

If I deny the world, I can't be hurt. With thick layers of introspection and solipsism, only true friends can get in.

In any case, the 'creative ethos' is just an impure version of what truly fascinates me —the construction of the 'ontological pearl'. But this visceral interest of mine is so rare that I can't share it with anyone.

Your glitch page doesn't work schizo-friend

>>7582589 (OP)
Do you have any socials?

>>7582589 (OP)
these artworks are good. but also CRAZY. you're INSANE , aren't you??!!

>>7584006
Now it should work. Thanks for letting me know. Though for now, it's just a proof of concept.

>>7584138
I only use 4chan. The expectations on those popular sites make you dependent. You don't create for yourself, you create for others.

>>7584208
:) Those drawings use a very primitive version of 'TC', which is a set of strange aesthetic rules. Based on the reaction of certain anons here, it seems those rules aren't so arbitrary after all.

>>7584399
how do you make lines so straight? my hand can't do it

>>7584399
>:) Those drawings use a very primitive version of 'TC', which is a set of strange aesthetic rules. Based on the reaction of certain anons here, it seems those rules aren't so arbitrary after all.
Well don't be weird and mysterious, anon, elaborate! What does "TC" stand for and what are the rules?

>>7584562
<weird> Thank you for the apparent interest. 'TC' stands for 'Theoretical Creativity', which is the study of art through deterministic models, that is, with minimal 'semantic overflow'. Its opposite is 'PC' – 'Pragmatic Creativity'– which instead reproduces art through superficial, strongly naturalistic rules with phenomenological dependencies. Simply put: 'TC' is art based mostly on logic and internal will; 'PC' is driven by instinct and context.

To be honest, the dichotomy isn’t absolute: TC cannot exist without PC, and vice versa. —A fetus in the womb, removed from all empirical stimuli, can its creative verb be valid? Isn’t this a metaphor for god and the necessity of incarnation to reduce his self canceling absolute potentiality? — Visual art, by nature, has certain roots in phenomenology, which is why the proposed TC approach is more about reducing TC to its minimal possible expression without losing its artistic category..
</weird>

These dynamics are somewhat technical and not easy to discuss casually, one needs some familiarity with a rather obscure jargon. But if you're looking for something more accessible amid all this verbosity:

'Symmetry is self-sufficient'.

>>7583696
That sounds like you detected my confusion and your explanation has dispelled my confusion thank you.

you don't sound autistic or depersonalized but I wouldn't expect myself to know if you were.

>>7584694
eloquently put
that sounds to me like the difference between math for math and math for physics but I haven't read Critique of Judgement in awhile which is what your text is reminding me of.
It sounds like TC is axiomatic, discreet, and its aesthetic choices have a geometric element. PC sounds like a bucket for traditionalisms that lead to choices based on sensory data and the ability to intuit context.

the dichotomy sounds like a dualism to approximate some understanding about creation.

I sense I'm missing a lot of information when I write all that.

I'm reading that others like what you've made and want to hear more about how you do it.

included some extra nothing

>>7584440
a ruler and a straightedge or practice

To TC anon...
I really like this style. I can't say I share the same antipathy towards "Tezukism", at least not to the same degree. But your work speaks for itself. A very distinctive art form with a strong aesthetic philosophy guiding it. The most interesting work on this platform, and quite intriguing more generally.
If one wanted to attempt TC artwork, where would one begin?

>>>/x/

>>7582619
>>7582691
>>7584399
prompts?

bump

>>7585015
>>7585049
TC and PC are just the congenital-deterministic extremes of art; what lies between them would be the 'ethos'.

Each artist has their own unique 'vibration' or 'oscillation' within these extremes, and I suppose that 'quality', drawing an analogy from music, is the 'harmony' of those oscillations.
Tezukism has an unusually large amplitude and a short period, which probably explains its organic contemporary appeal. Realism has a large amplitude and a long period, while calligraphy has a small amplitude and a short period.

I can’t teach your heart how to vibrate sincerely —that would go against the nature of art itself.
But I can help define the extremes and offer a few tuning rules.

>Try to reduce oversocialization.
>Reconnect with the child/whim buried under years of formal education.

Or more abstractly:

>Cultivate white space.

For me this is easy since I’m a bit of a social pariah. But for those who live by and for others’ expectations, it’s much harder.

>aversion to tezukism
I wouldn't say I 'hate' it, not really. I actually hold it in high regard. But it’s a 'closed' ethos, meaning you can’t really use it without paying a kind of implicit tribute.

That’s why I’m searching for an open or standard ethos, something that isn’t bound to any particular nationality.

nigga is an AI

>>7588457
He's a egoist. You get this kind of babble from people who think highly of themselves because they believe that their ideas that only makes sense in their head, and their refusal to express it in a comprehensible manner, somehow makes them "smart". It's just nonsense without merit.

>>7588501
It is.

But it's still more creative than 99% of the other shit on this board, so whatever, let him riff.

The concept of a ceremony [Ceremony] is an extension of the concept of a network protocol, with human nodes alongside computer nodes and with communication links that include user interface(s), human-to-human communication, and transfers of physical objects that carry data. What is out-of-band to a protocol is in-band to a ceremony. In this specification, Registration and Authentication are ceremonies, and an authorization gesture is often a component of those ceremonies.
An authorization gesture is a physical interaction performed by a user with an authenticator as part of a ceremony, such as registration or authentication. By making such an authorization gesture, a user provides consent for (i.e., authorizes) a ceremony to proceed. This MAY involve user verification if the employed authenticator is capable, or it MAY involve a simple test of user presence.
An identifier that is human-palatable is intended to be rememberable and reproducible by typical human users, in contrast to identifiers that are, for example, randomly generated sequences of bits [EduPersonObjectClassSpec].

>>7588514
This P͟R͟ICON structure is too general since it only uses a superficial 'noun* set' to evoke emotional delta in bi-anthropomorphic contact. I need to refine it, but it's interesting nonetheless.

*material p͟r͟i͟m͟i͟t͟i͟v͟e.

Oh, hi TC anon! I haven't been on 4chan in a while, glad to come back and see a thread of yours up. Thanks for sharing more of your art, it's honestly remarkable.

>>7584694
>>7588428
Man I really can tell this is sincere and has thought put into it... but to be honest this makes little sense to me.
Can you explain it in a way that would be understandable to someone who never stepped foot on a university campus?

If not, then I feel like you've fallen into a catch-22 - the ideas you are expressing are for people who reject normie thinking, but those people are more likely to be closer to autodidactic NEETs than people who study deeply into the obscure... philosophy? Metaphysics? I think is what you're referring to. The only philosophy author I have read to any extent is Pirsig, the rest are physically nauseating to try to read due to the clumsy language. And admittedly I got a bit dizzy trying to read your stuff.

Most would not even go to that extend to try to get what you mean.

>>7588501
eh
he wants to draw anime without feeling like a fraud for not being japanese
he wants to find a purely rational foundation for art because such a thing couldn't be appropriated

>>7583314
not a normie but more just stuck in a feedback loop where whatever thoughts and ideas you have are in constant degeneration into incomprehensibility, making them not only pointless but self-defeating

>>7589262
Oh, so he's like trying to fuse midcentury artstyles to create an alternate path towards something that's "soulful like anime" but not bound to japanese culture? Is that right?

That would explain the deluge of jargon, since a lot of western artists, especially the abstract ones, pre-1970 were insane.

>>7589478
The point is to develop a theory of art that is universal, so that it couldn't be 'bound' to any culture (or any other particular entity, time, place, collective etc). Saying that he's doing mid-century anime would imply that multiple large particular schools of art would have some ownership over his art.
It's a neurosis philosophy. I think OP is extremely schizoid, and his theory of universal creativity exists to allow him to believe that creativity can't be taken away from him. It might seem like he wants to appear smart by not explaining the theory, but it's more likely that if you understood and adopted it he would instinctively disown it and perceive your appropriation of the theory as an attack on his hidden, imploded self. There isn't any explanation of theory in this thread, but there are multiple suggestions that art theory that someone else owns is negative.

What's going on in here? Is this a thinly veiled self promotion thread or a discussion of our philosophy/motivation behind making art in
>present day
>present time
?
No shade either way, but I think I've been looking for a little bit of the latter for some time.

>>7589476
Your point is valid, but there is one factor you're not considering: 'aesthetics'. Visceral aesthetics prevent inbreeding* within strongly introspective systems. They are the bridge to the empirical plane.

>>7589262
[picrel] This is true 'Japanart': respectable, but irrelevant at a macro-contextual level.
Tezukism, on the other hand, is more like a Frankenstein’s monster built from western influences wrapped in a 'japanese' label.
This post'truth is what I dislike about Tezukism: that permutation is prioritized over the identity of the elements. These lies give rise to obscenities such as retroactive ownership.

>>7590233
I only seek 'efficiency': exponential scalability without self nullification, something common in systems lacking strong axiomatic foundations.


* Will as an end in itself

>>7590683
>Tezukism, on the other hand, is more like a Frankenstein’s monster built from western influences wrapped in a 'japanese' label.

You could argue by the same logic that pre-Tezukan art is made of bastardized Chinese influences, it's no less hazy a label. You're not really escaping much of anything here. You're just removing things you don't like, which is what it is, but it's definitely not any kind of truth or foundation. It's less truthful, because you're imparting your own biases onto a cultural context you don't even belong to. You're the one applying retroactive ownership to cultural elements.

>>7590690
So, what's your approach then? To paint the drops of the river of canonicity just because that's how it's always been? My approach might, perhaps, be quixotic in these times--reversing the direction of the waterfall-- but it seems inevitable.

As for 'ownership dynamics', they are quite complex, and as far as I know, there is no framework to speak about them with precision. But your comment has encouraged me to try to develop them. I’m grateful for that.

>>7589155
Let me try to simplify my ideas... or at least the practical message behind them...

'Efficient art' is 'technical innocence', or a simultaneous appeal to both 'environment' and 'will'.

Inefficient art can be: {redundant: only environment; incomprehensible: only will}.

>>7589122
: )

>>7591808
I think your mistake is in believing culture has a 'core' at all. Like consciousness. It requires the gestalt to exist. It changes constantly, it always has and always will. You cannot call something Japanese as a monad. It's an emergent property of group dynamics. You're only ever going to nail something down as "Japanese, in this specific time, at this specific place, to these specific people, in this specific context". It's inherently a phantasmal concept otherwise. So just pick something. Anything. Stop trying to pretend your decisions have any amount of real logic behind them and just do things.

You talk about inefficiency, but this is it. You're spending 100,000 hours refining your theory on how to screw in a lightbulb so you can turn on the lights once before you die - maybe - if your naive ideas even actually work. It's the same mentality as the Howies with different self-justifications. Efficiency isn't perfection. It's good enough.

>>7582589 (OP)
great, its the guy who gives everyone mental constipation only to draw le cartoon gurl

>>7590233
>The point is to develop a theory of art that is universal, so that it couldn't be 'bound' to any culture
It seems to me the point is more to draw from platonic forms rather than such-and-such balances, contrasts, and proportions. Much like concepts of "tribute" and "credit", the latter are deemed to belong to a culture out of cybernetic convenience. Specific 2D shapes supplanting at least some of the the 3D organic ones within the end result and not it's contained purely within construction.
>It's a neurosis philosophy. I think OP is extremely schizoid, and his theory of universal creativity exists to allow him to believe that creativity can't be taken away from him
Aren't the results great, though.

>>7590683
>obscenities such as retroactive ownership
Anon, if you care about this beyond legal level - you still have oversocialization to wipe off.

>>7591808
>Efficient art
Efficient/inefficient in what? Scribbles can be efficient for self-expression for some during certain moments. Artisanry of making a decorative functional clock is bound to efficiency of making a functional clock. A style's efficiency to bring something specific out is bound to the skill of the user.
Doesn't matter much if the goal is to infuse an art piece with a feeling of non-sacrificial efficiency in how it was created, even if it isn't representative of the process. For impressions, it is important to make something fancy look like it was effortless to do with your own 2 hands, for whatever reason, as if by magic. Why, isn't magical geometry a good choice; someone'd call it Pythagorean.
You really need to go Feynman/rubber duck on yourself once in a while, even if others won't see it.

>>7591808
>Let me try to simplify my ideas... or at least the practical message behind them...
That isn't simplification, that's just being concise. To simplify some things you have to actually use more words to handhold the reader through the entire logic and process.

Again you are assuming that a lot of what you take for granted we also understand, when we are (for the most part) completely divorced from the process information and context you've spent months, or years, developing.

>>7591855
Yeah pretty much, all this nonsense just for the final result to be.. stylized cartoons? It's a whole load of nothing.

I am going to continue repeating back what I'm hearing tc anon and I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know if I'm following what you're saying. let me know if I over-generalize.

>>7588551
This is a visual element or structure designed to create an experience of human-to-human(bi-anthropomorphic) contact that evokes a change(delta) in mental(emotional) state.

pri - primitive, icon is icon. Pricon. A primitive icon to trigger something inside another person.

>>7588428
If you describe art as having two extremes in the year 2025 I think many of us would assume an image of a drawing that is strict while another is impulsive. Consequently, when you say "ethos" that seems coded as "not too tight, not too loose." Goldilocks.

for the congenital-deterministic reference it sounds like you're describing something that is inherited from a parent and creates some kind of determinism about an arbitrary art piece.

The stuff about vibrations sounds like you're constructing an axis of art with iconography on one end and realism on the other and tezukism is an example of something in the middle. It reads like "Realistic depictions vs. hieroglyphics" and cartoons are considered to be between.

>reconnect with child
undo/analyze conditioning
>cultivate white
cultivate inner voice. this sounds like something I would read from kimon nicolaides or a buddhist calendar. i know that sounds judgemental. I am trying to connect what you're saying to more familiar things that I think are apt comparisons.

>>7588514
This sounds like the use of computing language to meticulously communicate an understanding you have about how you draw.

I am noticing that this is partially a thread about
Osamu Tezuka or something and like chinese/japanese influences or something

it looks to me like people were expecting something more concrete and it's become unclear if this is a thread about drawing or philosophy.

thank you for the update tc anon.

>>7591887
Why do you write as if my goal were incomprehensible and selfish? My methods may be weird, but my objective is simple: to pursue 'efficiency', that is, maximum entropic'aesthetic scalability without self-nullification -that kind of nullification which is so common among anarchic artists who see will as an end in itself. To that end, I’m trying to formally understand how the stimulus-mind dynamic works, so I can optimize the process.

You may agree or disagree with my approach, but it's certainly not incomprehensible.

Regarding nationalism/ownership, I need to study this more thoroughly before giving you an adequate response. These are complex dynamics.

>you still have oversocialization
The act of communication itself already implies oversocialization. In a way, we’re standing in shit so whether I want it or not, it spreads. True zero oversocialization only exists in internal monologue.

>>7594245
Your summary is mostly accurate. But before we continue this conversation, I’d like to ask: why are you interested in what I write? The weird concepts I use, do you feel there’s some truth in them? Is it ironic curiosity? By the way, that comment about the 'ceremonies'
>>7588514
wasn’t mine, but I found it interesting, so I replied with a vague structure.

>>7582589 (OP)
Huh, neat, turns out /ic/ got their resident Souv huh? At least this board's is way less annoying than the aforementioned one from /qst/, and draws with their own distinct style, no less. So good for you, OP.

>>7598936
>draws
oh you sweet summer child. only the pixel squiggles are drawn.

When I read the beginning of this thread I feel like I need a glossary of definitions.

>>7598748
It is not ironic curiosity.
Are your concepts weird?

I would say there is weight to your words. One could also logically assume there's some truth to it or you wouldn't talk about it and no one would care when it doesn't make sense to them. This is arguably why some acclaimed books get the occasional hate thread. Some intuitive part of us recognizes the value in the text and we get frustrated being unable to articulate it and even authors don't always have the words for things and will say as much themselves.

I appreciate the clarification about ceremonies that was an unusual post.

>>7599982
“They hate it so it mist be right” is a cult recruitment tactic. Sometimes schizo bullshit is just schizo bullshit.

>>7598748
>Why do you write as if my goal were incomprehensible and selfish?
I don't. The presentation's just raw when it doesn't need to be so.

Bump I wanna see more and you dont have socials, fag

I'm not interested in what you think, my goal is to understand and communicate with ___.

A TC structure on "how to draw 'well' ".

>>7582619
give texture/halftone pretty please

>>7605552
You’re asking about the texture I used in those drawings? Sorry, they’re old drawings, and I no longer have the texture I used.

>>7605539
Don't kid yourself. If you weren't interested in what people think, you wouldn't post in public.

>>7606030
For some reason, the local ⋮ontological 'daemon' depends -half of it- on others

Passive ex'internal propagation, in a certain way, 'concentrates' in other people, and functions as a 'unit' (a set of truths) for future dynamics in the same way that ⋮vis'aud-words function as a unit for in'external propagation.


Try this: fart alone vs in public.

Or try naming stones on a deserted island.

Or see surveys regarding your favorite color.


Shame and bin[...]ary oscillators:

[ok ok ok ok ok no no ok no no no no no]
[0.1 ; 1.0 ; 0.5 ]

Contrast gives category.

I’m not oversocialized, but I’m not .dezilaicosrevO either.

My ideas need contrast. My ideas need solidity when my will is weak.

-------------------------
⋮ = A symbol that represents a lack of conciseness in favor of reading clarity.

>>7606667
So you ⋮do care what people think.

>>7606955
I depend on people because I’m human. I depend on them from the womb until they wipe my ass when I die ● It’s an intrinsic sin of the human condition: dependence ⋮⋮That’s why my goal is to invert the macro-ontological daemon <god, flesh> by deconstructing the micro-ontological daemon <brain hemispheres> You know, something like what happens during sleep, but on a large scale⋮⋮

-------------------------
. ● = Intensity of silence.

A structure: 'intelligence'.
[I think it’s related to 'happiness' ]

what do you think of this mathanon? you should get a tripcode, it's always fun to read your ramblings
also, does anyone have the previous threads

>>7582589 (OP)
This is pretty interesting to me, especially the eyes on the bottom right, never seen anyone use shapes like that

The clothing on the left doesnt work at all tho should stick to the straight and curved lines

>>7611027
That's cute, dear anon. However, if you'll allow me to be direct and a bit 'cold', the approach I'm trying to develop here isn't about highlighting specific stylistic patterns -- like my own -- but rather about identifying interrelations between fundamental principles, and from there, cultivating a personal 'ethos'.

>>7611371
To be honest, I consider my drawings trivial. They're just necessary tests to verify certain aesthetic ideas. Some anons find them 'interesting', so I suppose my ideas have some degree of validity.

>>7600287
Yes and I'd rephrase to say "they hate it because they care."
I did regret saying "there's truth to your words OP".
That ignores a dimension of voyeurism from watching someone that starts a thread by saying "I will be offended if you call me a normie and offended if you call my art canonical" and goes on to include their missing missing reasons for why they were attacked after some "sincere altruism" and are depersonalizing which indicates the opposite of having a free spirit.

>>7584208
>>7582592
these are fun and I'd guess part of the allure here is making those jokes. Also OP's style of communication is dripping with the habits of self-aggrandizement.

is this thread cult recruitment? Isn't this more of an advertisement and a blog by a social pariah that has been reading about metaphysics and aesthetics online?

OP, how do you know when you're oversocialized? What are you using to measure that?

Thanks for talking. I regret that my analysis can only achieve partial accuracy. I think some of what you wrote looked like things I'd felt before and some of it was just me wanting to know if I knew or if I had more to learn. That's done and I wish you well.

I think one day you'll cultivate a great ethos and I know it sounds bizarre but a very important step for that is going to be having social context and learning to tolerate an interest in what other people think. there's also some of it that's about deleting interrelations between principles but I wouldn't know what principles you're referring to.

>>7611027
>>7612357
essentially the same plot btw whether mathanon can own that or not.

>>7611027
HOLY kino

>>7613506
I sense a bit of passive-aggressive undertone, could you synthesize your feelings? I prefer things to be direct. As I said, I'm interested in the conversation at the level of structures and principles, not one focused on ad-hominem. Courtesy and 'friendliness' are always welcome, but they are not an end in themselves.

Picrel: a correction regarding the previously shared structure ['intelligence']. I believe that using 'minmax' instead of 'zer͞one' [binary] is more intuitive.

>>7613956

You sense correct. I think if you sense more closely you'll see there's more than aggression and also that the aggression is only partially directed at you.

If you want feelings: I sometimes felt small talking to you and I felt a little scared for you here and there. The schizo teasing is all fun and games until someone loses an eye and I've seen good minds ruin lives.

>>7589476
>>7592538
>>7589155
I think that if you want conversations about structures and principles that you should keep trying to make sense to other people and you should value what they think irrespective of ad-hominems.

>>7614645
that is, I think those last three posts were good points from people trying to follow you and also scrutinizing your words and I think those people are worth listening closely to.

>>7582589 (OP)

>>7614646
>>7614645
2 of those last 3 posts were me. Yes I was sincerely trying to understand him. I just hit a wall of...
>a concept or piece of jargon enters my head
>is held
>I am waiting for an explanation to occur as I try to continue reading
>more jargon and concepts come in, stuck in queue as the first piece is still waiting to be processed
>I end up skimming, and find no explanation for the initial piece of info

I typically can grasp what things mean via context clues, so I'm okay at parsing legalese and some other stuff. But there is a LOT missing in what TC Anon writes. In a way it feels like shorthand intended for people who already know the vast majority of "what" and "why" he's talking about, in order to speed up the discussion of the relationships between them and other more advanced concepts. The fundamental knowledge is not explained or linked to.

>>7582691
>manifesto

>>7616883
>ethos

Holy fucking schizo and chatbot thread

flatearther thread let's goooo!

>>7615273
Agreed.
>okay at parsing legalese
it shows

closest it gets right now for source material I think.


this is actually a cult thread I feel foolish.

>>7616883
>>7616884
>>7617024
That experimental website is intended to develop a specific ethos/macro'style, not TC/PC or PRICON. And to be honest, 'ethos' isn't something I'm particularly interested in at the moment; it's more of a peripheral project.

In the future, in theory, anyone could start their own 'ethos' and see if others want to join their initiative and 'cultivate' forms together. These are organic dynamics, no one is forcing anyone here. This is a pragmatic approach: do you really think 'anime' would hold its current hegemony if the japanese hadn't constrained its potential around ~Tezuka?

After all, it's the excess of western individuality that limits the cultivation of non-trivial macro'styles.

>>7617106
I'm noticing 8 things that you do OP that I want to point out so you can look for it yourself.

>1 devaluing your own work
>2 feeling attacked
>3 feeling anxious
>4 rejecting others before they can reject you
>5 testing people
>6 displacing personal problems
>7 selective attention and reasoning
>8 focusing on intellectual subjects and philosophy

I want you to think about where those things come from.
You should look at where your desire to uplift others comes from.

The way you are using "ontological demon" is as a technique to rely on others without feeling guilty.

Regarding TC/PC:
1. The will never drives. It is always intention or instinct that drives. I'm using those words interchangeably.
2. PC and TC are both phenomenon dependent. PC logic depends on the phenomena outside your body and TC depends on the phenomena inside your body.
3. instinct is always based in logic.
4. PC and TC are both instinctual
5. will is never weak and it is never "your" will it is just will. If it is either weak or yours it is not will and it is something external to you.

Contrast does not create category, it is category.

It's common for systems to lack exponential scalability without self nullification because that's the limit of systems. The price of axiom is self-nullification.
Try this: is it possible to never self-own?

[minimalist approach]

>>7617677
>12345678
The important thing is what the finger points to.

>Regarding TC/PC
I am unable to provide a response if there are inconsistencies in the terminology being used.


Some issues:

>'Daemon' is not synonymous with 'demon'. It is a concept derived from computer science, not theology.

>Within the TC/PC//PRICON framework, WILL and INTENTION are equivalent. Therefore, using INTENTION as a synonym of INSTINCT results in a critical conceptual inconsistency.

>PHENOMENOLOGY is a borrowed term that refers to a generic empirical stimulus which stimulates the subjective system [local daemon]. In the TC/PC-V framework, it is often simplified as LIGHT. PHENOMENOLOGY cannot be used in reference to subjective systems without a 'modifier'.


The inconsistency in these primitive definitions prevents the efficient exchange of ideas.


Could you define these terms more specifically so I can respond to you properly? I don’t reject your perspective, but I require some consistency in the implicit worldview.

>>7582589 (OP)
Esoteric lawyer ass nigga forgot words are meant to convey meaning

>>7620976
CATEGORIES exist to generate CONTRAST within holistic internal-phenomenology, in the same way that the 'chronologically coherent body' serves to contrast the self-nullifying absolute potentiality of 'GOD'. Their use for communicative purposes is merely a convenient secondary aspect.

In normalized values: 'abstract intelligence', 'material intelligence', and 'happiness'.

The symbol that resembles a 'B' is simply a somewhat whimsical way of establishing an "inversely proportional 'center' ", also in normalized format.

Note: this is not conventional 'mathematics', this is PRICON.

PS: I have schizophrenia, please help me.

>>7621032
everyone here who's tried to tell you that you can't communicate *is* trying to help you.

you're trying to make some form of art pure from outside influence while dismissing the value of communication, the foundational thing that art does

>>7621068
FEEDBACK_LOOPS between CEREBRAL_HEMISPHERES are conceptually highly productive, but the price is the misunderstanding of the process, though, in theory, not of the polished result.

Maybe that's the LEITMOTIV: I should focus solely on COMMUNICATION through RESULTS, not through PROCESS. People will come to me organically when they see nice things.

~Thank you~. I think this conclusion is the most valuable part of this thread.

>>7620924
Points to behaviors that indicate when someone's judgement is compromised.
Some people pointed this out at the start of this thread I have said it nicely.

>Maxwell's Demon instead of Descarte's Demon
Thank you anon
what I said stands for most definitions of demons especially the computer science one.
>>7606030
You have used that word for a logical construction to dodge this anon pointing out that you were in denial about what you wanted from this thread.

>results in a conceptual inconsistency
does it?

>cannot be used in reference to
sure it can.

>inconsistency makes inefficient
It is your borrowing of terms and reliance on obscure jargon to convey meaning that creates the inefficiency.

I think if those are your issues that you're overthinking what I shared.

You're allowed to reject my perspective anon.


>schizophrenia
Is that diagnosed officially? Sometimes there's thought fusion in schizophrenia which could explain some things.

>>7621372
[ [ I'm ‘escaping’ from (*) and that feels… pleasant…?] ]


This isn’t about competing over who uses the most esoteric or elitist terms.

This isn’t about placing myself above others by claiming some superior intellectual integrity.

I’m simply trying to ‘sincerely understand’. And sincerity is often socially awkward.

My approach is simple, though perhaps unconventional and self-centered: through ‘feedback loops’ between cerebral hemispheres, I intuit and verify concepts. When they’re symmetric or aesthetic, I use them as primitives to build more complex structures. My approach is intellectually sovereign, and I only appeal to the canon for the sake of communicative efficiency --in fact, within a sovereign approach, too much external influence is often the greatest inhibitor of intuition-- Why describe a 'leopard' piece by piece when you can just say 'tiger'? Precision is lost, but in most cases, it’s enough.

An analogy: the raw trunk of the tree of knowledge versus the book of truth distorted by format. I try to go directly to the source, but it’s often ‘confusing’ because there are no clear boundaries between disciplines.

I’m ‘raw’, but ‘sincere’.

That said, I value your perspective. Although, for some reason, I find it quite difficult to ‘sync’ with you. Which is strange, because I can usually sense a common direction with the anons here, even if our lexicons aren’t 100% aligned.

>schizophrenia
I think this anon describes my state better.
>>7589476


[[ Would it be a good idea to use a symbol to define an imprecise borrowed term, for example in the case of 'DAEMON' or 'PHENOMENOLOGY'? ]]

>>7621416
You try a lot.

efficiency for communicating with yourself could explain some things.

External influence is sometimes a conduit to intuition if you pay attention.

I know you value my perspective anon my perspective is valuable.

that is, it sounds like you use conversation to help you process your thoughts.

>>7621787
>>7621833

fuck you

i mean, i feel 'oversocialized'

to feel accepted, I filter my raw 'sincerity'

that's why
fuck you

>>7623455
It's nothing against you ... I just hate being influenced by social dynamics. If 'you' 'hate' me, the 'dependency' ends.

>>7582598
In love with the way you draw cute cartoon girls anon. Got any more?

>>7623502

The ~cult of the author lies on the surface of the 'creative iceberg'.

'cambrian explosion'.

Old drawings.

[...] the 'big eyes' are not inherently 'japanese', in fact, they are more of an american trait if one traces the stylistic roots. But the japanese, due to their strong ethnic homogeneity, can [like ants without individual will] achieve a hive mind capable of cultivating forms over the long term.

My drawings are a similar approach[cultivation], but with western traits [individuality].

I like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAL5b1Gv0vY

>>7625636
Can you explain your stuff like you're describing it to someone who has never met you and knows nothing about anything that you're talking about, but trusts that you have something important to say?

>>7630528

We are all part of god wrapped in flesh.

I only try to cut away the flesh to make explicit the forgotten miracle.

Although this approach often frightens people.

Blood and bone are the foundation of life, this is TC.

PC is the skin.

An organism is both things.

Happiness is both things.

God and sensation.

Ontological tension.

A body is both things. A 'center'.

>>7582589 (OP)

>>7631997
If you truly are a south korean, you might be able to grasp the thread's tacit sentiment. Nice drawing by the way.

>>7582589 (OP)
I like your magnificent style IC schizo man I saw your art few months ago and I love your style. I am a schizo too but I don't have talent like you. Please upload your arts more often in the board!

>>7623455
>>7623482

that sounds to me like your sense of self gets invaded in some way when you interact with the outside world and sometimes you attack it to create distance or maintain a degree of separateness.

>>7582589 (OP)
Hey, OP, what's your name? Or rather, what title or name should I call you when I tell my friends about the one crazy person on 4chan who actually does make appealing art?
Is "TC anon" fine?

>>7634607
Belonging to a 'tribe' based on partial affinities is limiting. To proceed, the subconscious appeals to the consensus of affinity networks as a whole, overwriting locally held information. Sometimes, for the sake of integrity, it is appropriate to cut the relationship.

It’s not a specific animosity toward that [esteemed] anon, but I greatly value my lack of oversocialization.

>>7633081
I don’t like those old drawings because they don’t have a strong axiomatic basis. But they are necessary tests.

>>7634927
Over the years online, I’ve created lots of disposable heteronyms[pessoa]. Nothing permanent. But to interact on this board, 'TC-anon' is fine.

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By the way, this thread’s pretty old now and doesn’t really interest me anymore... it’s time to let it go...

pretty sure op is genuinely schitzo, but great thread nonetheless

>>7635093
self preservation.

>>7635093
which sounds like avoiding cognitive dissonance.

Conventional ∽'lanwrite' has too many 'leaps of faith'.

It's inefficient at conveying ∽⋮'novedum'.

That's why I invented 'PC/tc WRITING' :

or

PC-WRITEˢᶦᶜ

Conventional ∽'lanwrite' has too many 'leaps of faith'.

It's inefficient at conveying ∽⋮'novedum'.

That's why I invented 'PC/tc WRITING' :

or

PC-WRITEˢᶦᶜ

Hmm, what you're trying to do even if I have no clue what you're saying most of the time. Have you considered that the lack of a unifying style in Western cartoons is a feature and not problem to be solved? I've heard that the Japanese consider themselves very good at taking new ideas into their culture and integrating then into existing frameworks. Whereas I feel like in the west we tend to find new ideas and push and pull on them to see where they go and where they can break. I think both are important and can interact. Maybe on a broad enough timescale we can see how both interact and occasionally one side becomes more important globally and eventually it reverses.

>>7638734
'Freedom' is inversely proportional to 'refinement'. A laser versus a candle. The japanese limit their potential in order to refine and intensify it.

The fuel for my intuition and creativity is strong emotion, and for some reason, seeing the japanese everywhere flaunting their 'ethos', while westerners bow down in tribute and reverence infuriates me. It feels like a kind of humiliation.

And this ethos asymmetry exists because the loomistards and cartoontards can’t agree on anything, something the japanese did manage to do.

Art should be holistic; focusing on one extreme as an end in itself ignores the value of the other side.

What is TC/PC? They're crazy theories to build a creative 'nuclear bomb'.

Don't get me wrong: I hate the japanese, but not 'Tezukism'. They're two different things.

>>7639059
* 'potential' = 'potentiality'.

Isn’t this just a rip off of the “how many frames should pixel art sprites use” guy?

>>7639076
well...schizos can have similarities sometimes...But just to be clear: he's a ripoff of me.

>>7639084
Are you this guy? >>>/i/798335
The guy who was doing the platform game in javascript

>>7639274
What game? Be specific, dear.

>>7639678
Just a linear platformer, with a character jumping obstacles wich is supposed to defeat a big "boss" female at the end of the stage. But it's not you, since you're not that artist on that thread. I find the character style very similar.

>>7582589 (OP)
Are those boxing gloves?

>>7582589 (OP)
Do you have a blog or website where you upload your stuff?

Who cares about this pseudo intellectual schizo babble, just post more cute girls.

OP you need to summarize your philosophy in an art manifesto so we can all draw TC and drop that nuclear bomb

>>7631819
>>7635093
>>7639059
A bit more understandable but I find that you're taking way too many words to explain concepts that seem like they should be simple.

I will put it in an analogy, maybe it will help.

Right now, you are making a direct path to your location of meaning. But it's over a massive chasm, so you will lose people who either refuse to try to jump or simply don't have the means to leap such a wide gap.
A longer route is much safer, and slower, but allows them to walk step by step from the place they are ("oversocialized conventional understanding" or w/e you want to call it) to where you are trying to lead them, without much in the way of stumbling or having problems.

Another example: you want people with little experience in your "flavor" of math to calculate Z using A as an input and a complex formula, in one long computational step. Or you can reach it through multiple steps that are easier (A to B, then input B to get C, and so on).

I think you could, potentially do what >>7645595
said, and write some kind of a short book instructing people on how to make art in your method. If you imagine your audience as people who have never made art before, like someone randomly picking it up in a library or bookstore, you may have an easier time. As that forces you to design the text with "wait they won't understand that yet, I need to explain this first" portions. Attaining an accurate assesment of who-you-are-not is essential so you know what to aim at.

Remember if your goal is some kind of large disruption, then you has to handhold people.

>>7582589 (OP)
Shapemaxxing

>>7644429
You first.

Please OP keep writing stuff, it is really interesting to read during down time

Find God

>>7649367
God doesn't exist. Fucking retard.

>>7649552
What doesn’t exist is the theological god.
What doesn’t exist is the anthropocentric god.

God is context or natural laws. God is everything that is not human will.

The theological god is absurd. do you really believe that in 'paradise' there are categories like loincloth, hair, flesh, bones, molecules? Couldn’t the same be said about circumstantial human culture?

The true god gives the same priority to empty space, to an ant, to Shakespeare.

In the same way, do you really believe there are absolute categories above submaterialities? Higher hierarchy categories are only convenient probabilistic constructs, not 'platonic' and eternal forms.

I know Spinoza has a similar perspective, but personally, I wipe my ass with other people’s texts. Everything I think is intuitive.

PS: I like lolis <3

>>7649582
>Everything I think is intuitive.

And yet you explain it in the clunkiest way imaginable. I don’t think you’re good at self-reflecting.

>>7649765
And yet he captivates readers with his nonsense philosophy and brings them into his thoughts
He's good at that.

>>7639846
Maybe... my drawings are a bit ambiguous....

>>7644390
I had created a kind of simplified imageboard on glitch.com, but the site shut down a few weeks ago. It's a shame so now I just use this board.

>>7644429
What’s the purpose of creating without a formal approach? It’s like building sandcastles on the beach....

>>7645595
:) It’s worth clarifying that the 'bomb' isn’t meant to be purely destructive; rather, it’s intended to 'balance' the noosphere...

>>7647145
'Exocognitive language' ~is horizontal...
'Metacognitive language' ~is vertical...

Abstraction layers:

Divorce. Adultery...
MOM DAD ME YOU...
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ...
/ | _ -

An expression from a lower layer becomes exponentially more extended when used to match expressions from higher layers.

Y'axis = 'expressive economy' inversely proportional to 'conciseness'.

THE LACK OF SHARED METACOGNITIVE PRECONDITIONING IS THE ROOT OF THE COMMUNICATION PROBLEM IN THIS THREAD.

Incongruence of tacit values.

I agree: a comprehensive manifesto must be built from the bottom up. Although my interest is currently focused on metacognition.

PS: I still like lolis.

>>7647145
'Exocognitive language' ~is horizontal...
'Metacognitive language' ~is vertical...

Abstraction layers:

Divorce. Adultery...
MOM DAD ME YOU...
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ...
/ | _ -

An expression from a lower layer becomes exponentially more extended when used to match expressions from higher layers.

Y'axis = 'expressive economy' inversely proportional to 'conciseness'.

Semantic gaps must be filled with preconditioning.

THE LACK OF SHARED METACOGNITIVE PRECONDITIONING IS THE ROOT OF THE COMMUNICATION PROBLEM IN THIS THREAD.

Incongruence of tacit values.

I agree: a comprehensive manifesto must be built from the bottom up. Although my interest is currently focused on metacognition.

>>7654844
>comprehensive manifesto
Is that even possible, professor?

>>7654857
Most people are led by the hand along the Y'axis, and their WILL is limited to the X'axis. Those people can hardly even grasp what the FLOW along the Z'axis means [interdisciplinary heuristic].

As long as the flow along the y'axis is gradual, from BOTTOM to TOP, I see no impossibility for my goal [comprehensive manifesto].

Mastery of the three axes is what defines a true "übermensch".

--------------------

I think this relationship is interesting:

<Y,X> = <PC,TC>

>>7657229
But professor... that's, m-m-madness! You will never make it! Please stop!

I will just sum this thread up as mental illness, but if you draw, do visit, COOM vs LOOM>>7657292, it is much more interesting than your pseudointellectual riff about basically nothing.

>>7657362
Actually this is much more "interesting and weirder" than your lame-tier thread, but I support your shizo-posting as well. Anything goes for the lolz.

Is the code ready? I want to transcend into artistic matrix, I'm ready.

TF is going on here

art = illegal
low-effort nonsense = encouraged
as requested, here is my contribution to the discourse