Thread 7594685

Everything about the art process looks too fucking difficult and impossible for me to do.
>Got art books
>Drawing tablet
>Got guides
>Can't understand or follow any of them
Even just the idea of using the motions of my shoulders for drawing instead of scribbling lines with my fingers, or just making any good lines like this in general, looks too difficult for me. I want to draw, but I don't know what to do.

>>7594685 (OP)
There’s no hope for you, best you can do is stick a gun in your mouth and hope the spray of brain matter creates an accidental masterpiece on the ceiling.

Copy something that you find moving in whatever way, something that makes something glow up in your brain. Don't worry about how it looks, just do it to the best of your abilities and find joy in the sheer act of creating. Forget about everything else. If you can't even do that, sell everything and find a different hobby; it's just not for you.

>>7594685 (OP)
Honestly one of the best posts I've deserving of this stupid comic.

>>7594732
Yes, but I don't have enough motivation is the problem. I'll start and it and just to "eh whatever" and then go back to my phone. I don't know if it's my ADHD or what, but even on meds I just keep giving up.

>>7594737

see

>>7594734

Now fuck off.

>>7594739
It's not ADHD, you're just weak willed as fuck. Grow a spine, anon.

>>7594685 (OP)
kill yourself

>>7594739
i have adhd and i've been drawing for close to a decade now. motivation is never the problem (do you think the cashier at costco is motivated to scan poultry all day), it's discipline. you just gotta do it. or give up. more for us

>>7594775
>>7594743
Okay, so what do I do? I'm on adderall and I still can't make myself do any drawing.

>>7594784
either Just Do It™ or give up. there's no third option there. you're not gonna draw by not drawing.

>>7594786
Yes but I'm having trouble drawing which I've explained in the OP post. I don't know how to draw. I don't know the motions, I don't know the construction process. I don't know any of what I'm doing.

>>7594789
ok so learn the motions and construction process

you've identified your problem area and the solution is obvious to anyone with eyes

>>7594798
Learning the motions looks too difficult for me and my shaky hands keep fucking up the process.

>>7594804
ok so give up

>>7594739
Oh shut the fuck up, I guarantee my life is way worse than yours and I can do it, I probably have ADHD too, I have to turn on a bunch of shit or else the silence is distracting as fuck. Either do it or don't, cry to your parents if you want pity, no one here is going to convince you of shit and shouldn't have to anyways, most of us are eating shit sandwiches out here but we still do it.

>>7594805
No, I want to learn to draw.
>>7594807
Okay; this is what the process is like for any hobby I've ever tried doing. Everything is boring or I get distracted immediately.

>>7594807
This nig is a sharty troll who found the secret sauce to farming (you)s from a bunch of autismos. Ignore him and sage.

>>7594798
Whenever I sit down to try drawing, my tremors make it really hard for me to start drawing without fucking up any lines. I also keep stopping and looking at my phone.

>>7594786
I can't even make myself draw most of the time. It's been two months since I attempted to draw anything.

>>7594786
How do I make myself?

I'm trying to do the divided ball and plane method and I keep fucking it up.

>>7594878
How does this look?

>>7594685 (OP)
the only actual thing you need to do is have fun drawing. draw shitty things, draw turds, draw your favorite characters. Then look at guides for specific things when you think its time to upgrade. But you have to keep drawing, its not like school where you study study study, then take a test and now you're good. You need mileage and to get mileage you need to have fun. All these guides are supposed to be drilled over and over, they're not things you study once and master.

HAVE FUN AND DRAW

>>7594685 (OP)
https://warosu.org/ic/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=Advice+I%27ve+been+given+and+why+it+won%27t+work
DAILY
REMINDER

>>7594685 (OP)
It’s not impossible, you just haven’t started yet. This might sound a bit random, but I hope it helps, last December, I had surgery on my main hand that caused PIN palsy. So, in February, I started teaching my non-dominant hand to draw, and it’s actually been going pretty well.

You’re just getting overwhelmed by the whole “art process” idea. Don’t stress about being perfect or chasing perfection before you even get the hang of drawing. It takes patience, and you’ve got to let yourself make mistakes to really grow as an artist.
Start with drawing whatever you like and copying refs so that you will find it easier to learn fundamentals as you progress

>>7595145
Okay but what do I do exactly? I keep getting told over and over again to use my shoulder but I can't thanks to my shitty coordination. I can't make myself do anything when all I do is produce shit that's not even following the basics of drawing correctly.

>>7595162
have you ever learned any dextrous skill at all? juggling? card tricks? it just takes time.

>>7595174
No, I've legitimately never learned any dexterous skills. I can't even shuffle cards properly or do really most fine motor stuff.

>>7594878
You care too much about doing it right. This is honestly fine for early attempts, the center line should go straight down, not wrap around.

>>7595162
you are not going to be able to draw good overnight, its a slow process that requires efforts and your input, either accept your flaws, let yourself fail and improve or honestly just give up, drawing/art in general is driven by your interest in it, if you are having difficulty doing something fun then it migbt not be something you are looking for. Nothing is gonna help you if you shield yourself from drawing. If you want to become an artist thr least you can do is draw, and draw ANYTHING,

>>7594685 (OP)
Quit.
You will never be an artist if you don't love art and you clearly don't.

>>7595192
I've heard for literally every hobby I've ever tried doing.

>>7595189
>>7595188
Everyone keeps telling me that this looks like shit and I should stop even trying.

>>7595198
and why are you listening to them? everyone here is retarded, including you for asking their advice.

>>7595198
You can try adding lines on the side of the ball to make the jaw if you want. Are you interested in drawing characters/portraits?

>>7595198
Do you care about what everyone tells you more than you care about drawing?
Do you draw for everyone?

>>7595125
He knows we got wiley of his tricks and tried to change the bait

REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


>REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


>REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE

All he does is act increasingly more retarded to TRY TO BAIT RETARDS INTO RESPONDING WITH GENUINE STORIES so he can LAUGH at you.

>>7595215
Ah got it. This seems to be true, lmao wasted my time

>>7595212
I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything. I've never been able to finish a full story, and even the idea of writing a full length story feels so daunting and exhausting. I'm not even looking for a realistic artstyle, more of a cartoony/comic book art style.
I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual.

>>7595218
Next time you come across a picture you think is cool, you should try to draw it. Will probably end up derpy, but you might suprise yourself.

>>7595195
No shit, why would you do stuff you don't want to do?

>>7595226
But I can't draw.

>>7594685 (OP)
Maybe drawing isn't for you? Consider purchasing some adult coloring books and a set of colored pencils and see if you have fun doing that.

>>7595264
Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like drawing" I'm here because I want to fucking draw. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

>>7595352
No. I want to draw. Give me advice on drawing.

>>7595579
youve been given actionable advice in the thread and have dismissed it. reread it.

>>7595581
No? I haven't been given advice on how to deal with my tremors when I'm drawing, I haven't been given advice on how to use the construction methods I'm trying to use. I don't know where to put anything.

>how to deal with my tremors when I'm drawing
ask a doctor
>how to use the construction methods I'm trying to use
watch proko
>where to put anything
watch proko

>>7595586
We've told you before some books or videos that might help you but you respond that it's too difficult for you and that you want something different, but we learned using those resources, what are you expecting? Do you think we have some hidden secret? Everything you could need is already in other threads.

The best we can do is redlining your attempts, but the thing is, you are not doing anything. Half a page of boxes and some spheres with a few lines, that's all I've seen from you. Try doing an actual face or robot or literally anything, even if it's terrible, but you have to draw to learn drawing.

>>7594685 (OP)
Is the board just so dead the feds don't care about the alien this time?

>>7595586
try asking chatGPT

>>7595636
I've asked before and got no good advice.

You dumb fucks ignore genuine requests for help from people who post their art but then collectively and in-fucking-variably flood howie bait threads with the most concise hyper specific advice on planet earth, just fucking burn this shithole to the ground already holy shit

>>7595213
No, I just have anxiety and OCD problems.

>>7594685 (OP)
>that image
Uhhh mods?

>>7595352
I want to learn to draw. I won't take any advice that doesn't involve helping me learn to draw.

>>7595846
go back to pol

>>7595601
I have tried the IC sticky, gave up after fucking up the first upside down sketch and never went back to it. Gave up on one line exercise and never went back to it. Gave up on Loomis once the body construction started. Gave up on Keys to drawing because that looked too complex and I can't even make myself read past a single paragraph because of me being distracted. Whenever I start drawing, I literally can't make sense of something as simple as drawing hair. I can't understand 3D perspective nor make sense of it in my brain.

I wish I were as talented at getting internet attention as this anon. Could likely compensate for my permabeg scribbles

>>7595866
Even doing this looks too complicated for me.

>>7595866
Don't be so cynical. Being a beg is a transient experience

>>7595589
I went to a doctor for it and they tried treating me for essential tremors. I went on 3 different medications including propranolol and primmidone. None of that worked either and they made me feel like shit. Then they told me that I probably don't have essential tremors and go see someone else.

>>7595875
>cynical
>transient
And here I thought I didn't have stalkers. I will be more wary in the future

>>7595636
ChatGPT isn't a good way to get advice.

>>7595192
>>7595352
>"I can barely get out of bed."
>"You don't want to get out of bed, you just like the idea of it."

>>7595975
very true. people be like "i wanna do something today and not waste time" but the like the idea of doing that, but don't actually want to go do all that stuff when they can laze around

>>7595983
It's reductionist bullshit that doesn't actually address any of my problems and a way to hand wave them away.

>>7595975
Forget 'art' or 'being an artist' for a second. That stuff comes with so much baggage. Learning to draw *is* genuinely hard. It asks a lot – your brain, your hands, your patience. Feeling frustrated or stuck isn't a sign you're 'bad at it,' it's practically the universal starter pack. That friction? Totally normal, especially when you're already running on fumes. Honestly? Zero pressure. Fuck art if it feels like another weight right now. Seriously. Maybe it's just about finding the tiniest, frictionless way to play with making a mark if and only if the weirdest little urge ever strikes.

Like noticing a weird shadow on your wall for half a second. Doodling absolute nonsense (think sentient potato with googly eyes) in the corner of a scrap of paper for 30 seconds... and then binning it without a second thought. Or... just putting the whole damn idea of drawing aside for now. That is completely valid too.

>>7596004
Okay, so what do I do?

>>7596006
Honestly? Nothing. Seriously. If even thinking about doing something feels heavy right now, that’s your answer. Forcing it when you’re running on empty just adds guilt. But if a weirdly quiet moment ever hits not motivation, just a flicker of huh, I wonder…try one of these zero-stakes experiments

1. Steal a texture:
Run your finger over your jeans/the wall/a leaf. Just notice how it *feels*. No drawing. No "studying." Just steal that texture for 3 seconds. That’s it.

2. Doodle a ghost:
Hold a pencil loosely and make the lightest possible mark on scrap paper like you’re trying not to wake it up. Close your eyes if it helps. Then walk away. It’s not a drawing; it’s a ghost.

3. Be a lazy spy:
Spot one single thing in your room (a charger coil, a dust bunny, a wrinkle in your blanket). Look at it for 5 seconds. Think, Huh. That’s a weird shape. Then forget it. Mission accomplished.

4. The 'Not Doing It' Option:**
Put your sketchbook/pencil where you might*l see it (bathroom counter? fridge?). If you see it and think Ugh, no perfect. You just successfully respected your own boundary. That’s the win.

The trick? None of these are "practice." They’re barely actions. They’re about noticing tiny things or noticing your own resistance both are useful.

>>7596054
I can't force myself go draw ever, no matter what meds I'm on, no matter how good I'm feeling, nothing. How do I make myself?

>>7596054
I want advice on how to make myself draw. That's it.

>>7596063
Tell whoever you're living with that you're going to draw, and ask them to hold you to that.
The pressure of letting whoever that person is down will get you're ass into gear.

>>7594685 (OP)
If it makes you feel any better, by comparing myself to you, your posting never fail to improve my mood. I have a serious personality disorder that's destroyed every relationship I've been in, I hold multiple minimum wage jobs and draw in my spare time to take my mind of self-hatred. Whenever I'm on a break from art and feeling down about myself, I see a Howie thread, remember I'm trying my best and smile.

>>7596054
Obviously nta, I draw regularly, but still really like the "ghosts" idea. I'll use that sometime when I want to doodle. Your effort posting is too good for this thread, but thanks.

>>7596071
I want to be able to do it myself without outside pressure.

>>7594685 (OP)
Someone can't beat you to death quick enough.

>>7596094
stop bumping the thread

>>7596084
The outside pressure will help you form the habit and will to do so.
However, given that you're here, asking us on how to make you draw, I don't think you have the ability to make yourself draw without pressure.
Are you drawing now, despite talking about and asking for help? Doubt it.

>>7595914
Your stuff's just really recognizable.

>>7594685 (OP)
you can make really cool scenes by learning the most basic principles of 1, 2, and 3 point perspective along with simple shapes like boxes and cubes. this way you don't need to rely on any type of complicated artistic ability for now and can just focus on making/drawing stuff. you can draw entire cityscapes with this method

>>7596098
>I don't think you have the ability to make yourself draw without pressure.
Well I want that ability. And I won't accept advice that doesn't involve not gaining said ability. I'm tired of having to rely on others.

STOP REPLYING

Go AND DO what the beetle is doing instead!

REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


>REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE


>REMINDER THIS IS THE SHARTY TROLL WHO POSES AS A MENTALLY ILL HOWIE

All he does is act increasingly more retarded to TRY TO BAIT RETARDS INTO RESPONDING WITH GENUINE STORIES so he can LAUGH at you.

Go DRAW or PAINT do not REPLY, use sage in the options if you fucking must.

>>7596098
I just made the picture in the OP without outside pressure.

>>7595975
Just die, you clearly don't want to live.
If you don't wanna die you have a lot of work to do before you're fit for learning to draw anyway.
Art is not for losers. It requires passion and discipline. If you can't even control when to get out of bed you'll never be an artist.
Fix your life first.

>>7596692
>You need to first learn how to draw lines
>You need to fix your shakiness
>You need to get your meds adjusted
>You need to fix your mental issues
How about just telling me how to draw?

>>7596704
You won't draw.

>>7596720
Tell me how to draw and I will.

>>>7596704
>>You need to first learn how to draw lines
>>You need to fix your shakiness
>>You need to get your meds adjusted
>>You need to fix your mental issues
>How about just telling me how to draw?

>>7596769
Why is it that when someone is having trouble with drawing you immediately assume they're trolling?

>>7596762
Put a pencil led on a paper and drag it from one point to another

>>7596704
You're genuinely retarded, actual low IQ special needs retarded. You can't draw. Give up.

>>7596775
because this faggot has been making the exact same threat for months with the exact same responses. but since the average sp/ic/ is an autistic mental midget they keep falling for this trick. all the while they ignore people who are actually asking for advice while posting their work.

>>7596775
howie doesnt want to draw though, he just likes to throw a pity party and rage bait people with circular arguments. he always has 2-3 threads up in the catalog and on different boards

>>7594685 (OP)
How about you use the energy it takes you to come and endlessly whine to anons on 4chan to actually try and doodle something? Sounds fun, right?

>>7596000
youre probably not even able to tie your shoelaces without someone guiding your hand. Someone like you is not built for artistic endevours, because lots of it is just figuring out stuff on your own and doing your own research and applying it. Youre meant to press buttons or flip switches in factories or something equally as brainless. Sorry anon, but you will never draw, just like you failed with anything else before.

>>7596887
>>7597128
How about giving actual advice? No one here genuinely believes this. Its just a way to try and demoralize me and shut me up.

>>7597295
>How about giving actual advice?
Because all the "actual advice" has been given and you always have an excuse for why you can't. Of course people are going to just tell you to give up, because you won't listen to any piece of advice or give up immediately after trying it for 5 minutes.

>>7597295
>No one here genuinely believes this
No, you're just in denial. Everyone here believes this because you've been doing this for years with nothing to show for it.

We know that you failed a basic math placement test, so we do genuinely believe you have low IQ and are retarded. Why wouldn't we? Unlike you, we can take information we know explore our own conclusions without being explicitly told, another sign of being retarded.

It's just common sense, Howie. Another thing you lack.

>>7597393
>>7597389
stop bumping the thread, sage exists for a reason

>>7597404
its probably the one retard self posting to himself

>>7597393
How about just telling me how to draw? No amount of mental disabilities prevents someone from being able to draw.

>>7597393
>>7597389
I also made this post >>7595198
using the ball and plane method earlier, so you know that line of reasoning is completely bullshit.

>>7597435
Why would anyone tell you how to draw? Doesnt look like you even want to

>>7597435
>No amount of mental disabilities prevents someone from being able to draw
And yet you always blame your inability to draw on your ADHD. Why is that?

>>7597478
Because it's the truth? Very rarely am I ever able to focus even on medicine. And I've tried 3 different ones.

>>7594739
>>7594685 (OP)
>>7594784
>>7594789
Very classic Howie thread

>>7597446
Yeah, I've been making threads for years about wanting to draw because I actually don't want to draw.

>>7597499
Exactly. Glad you agree and understand.

>>7597503
How about telling me how to draw?

>>7597389
None of what I'm saying has been an excuse. I can't trace because I don't have the right paper for it. I can't print anything out because I don't have a printer. I can't use my phone or computer because I'll get distracted and stop. I can't use my drawing tablet because the programs and UIs look too complicated and I can't figure them out. I can't use the books because they look too complicated. I can't use the IC sticky because it looks too complicated.

>>7595189
This is the same process for every single creative hobby I've ever tried.

>>7597499
Dude are you fucking kidding me?? It’s been like 24 hours and you’re still nagging?? WTF?

LISTEN, there is no “wrong way” and there is no “RIGHT WAY” either. Go to the fucking dollar store and buy a lifetime supply of pencils and scratch paper—like fill up the whole cart, and then just start drawing shit. Here:

>look for shapes around you and try to draw those…the fucking boxes you’re drawing…imagine you had spent 24 hours drawing boxes instead of complaining.

>grid drawing; where you put a grid overlay on a picture and draw one square at a time.

>draw shapes circles until your hand hurts like pic related

>youtube tutorials and slow down the speed

>>7597563
>I can't use the books because they look too complicated. I can't use the IC sticky because it looks too complicated
That's your fault. You take it in chunks instead of all at once, retard.

Here: https://youtu.be/O-nIHoVK5zo?si=l4e2QlyPaUF5VSaD

Draw that shit right now and post results. I don’t care how bad it looks. Do it right the fuck now, and if you have a fucking problem doing THIS then just coom all day long for the rest of your life. Dammit man, we’re all telling you that it’s okay to suck. I like soccer. There’s a bunch of guys that get together at the park and we play soccer. I’m 45 years old and have arthritis—I’m never going to be a pro soccer player; I play it because it’s fun. I like it, even though I’m PRETTY BAD at it. Same with drawing. I just like it. What do you want?

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT? NO YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE AN ANIMATOR BY MIDNIGHT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET BETTER IF YOU DO NOT PRACTICE.

>>7597664
There. I just tried it. I want to draw because I want to get good at it. I've wasted years of my life not doing it despite wanting to and only focusing on writing which I can't even do anymore either. I don't get enjoyment out of doing most things.

>>7597868
That looks fucking awesome dude, good job. You just have to keep putting the pencil on the paper and moving it around like that. Keep at it bud, you're drawing now.

>>7597923
It looks like shit and my lines are too shaky.

>>7597925
Sorry mate you're not an artist and you wouldn't know how to critique art, that opinion is invalid. You're drawing now and you can draw, I'm glad you've overcome the problems you've posted in this thread. You can draw every day that you have a pen and paper.

>>7597868
Good job howie, looks great, keep it up

>>7595837
isnt that just a skeleton? am i retarded

>>7594685 (OP)
this u?

>>7597868
Howie drew this? Do it again, but this time add a monster or something

>>7594685 (OP)
How did this useless thread get so many (You)'s? Kill yourselves.

>>7597868
You do realize this looks good right?

>>7597868
Huh, not that bad for a try, actually. Remember, it's not gonna be some masterpiece right off the bat. You'll have to practice, that's life.

Congratulations Howie, you actually drew something. Who would have thought. Now keep having fun with it even if you think it looks like shit.

>>7598179
You think it's actually good?

>>7597624
https://warosu.org/ic/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=howie

>>7598212
NTA but better than I was expecting.

Art is hard. It's frustrating. You aren't going to make a great drawing every time.

You just have to have fun. Take mistakes in stride. Don't focus too hard on getting better too fast. Do you think good artists just magically know how to draw well? Of course not. It took time and practice.

When you say the guides are too complicated, it's because you're trying to take in too much at once. So... relax. Don't be afraid to make mistakes because you can always learn from them.

The fact that you actually took the time to draw something means you accomplished something. You drew. Feel proud of yourself.

Don't make excuses. Accept that there will be frustration. Don't overwork yourself. Have fun.

>>7597868
mogs me
does howie actually have a hidden talent?

>>7598326
It's almost as if Howie can draw if he tries.

>>7598136
Do this, add a dragon or an alien ship. Howie is about to have a break through.

>>7597868
can you draw fluttershy anal sex please

>>7598212
Yes!
And like this anon said>>7598275
This is hard! Anyone who tells you it’s easy—that you can learn quickly is lying to you! Look, I got a degree in Custodial Arts + Groundskeeping & Handyman skills (yeah that’s a thing). I thought I knew how to clean stuff and fix stuff, but there IS an art to it. I work construction now and it is a VERY hard learning process to learn how to do things that I thought required no skills whatsoever. It’s only through practice and practice that you’ll get better.

Art is a very difficult hobby. At work, I take a picture of a dirty bathroom and then clean one section, take a picture of it, and again until the whole bathroom is clean. Same with construction. I get a satisfaction from seeing what I’ve done along the way, and then I jump from the first picture to the last…and it’s like…I DID that. Now how can I make it better? Maybe it’s fine the way it is…but is there one more thing I could’ve done? Could I have done things in a different order which would’ve yielded better results? I can constantly correct and improve. It’s hard! That’s what I like. That’s art. Instead of doubting yourself say “I’ll TRY to make it better and better. Really throw yourself into it. Judge yourself, accept yourself, criticize yourself, but don’t ever give up. It’s the journey and never the destination.

There’s an interview of Richard Nixon that I love. Ignore the politics and focus on the message: https://youtu.be/Pc3IfB23W4c?si=xHm0XKEe32bxfUqI

I have a great admiration for people that think they can’t do something, but still try. Go ahead and complain. Go ahead, beat yourself up, and then DO. Give it another shot. Want something? Keep trying to get it. It’s your right. You can do whatever you want in this life, just don’t hurt anyone else in the process, including yourself. That last sentence is the hardest thing you’ll ever do, and ultimately it’s what makes it such a great discipline.

>>7599026
>>7598326
>>7598275
>>7598184
>>7598179
>>7597955
>>7597923
I did another set of mountains. This one with the shadows facing the opposite way.

>>7599159
Yes! Draw some more mountains! I’m genuinely telling you that I enjoyed this drawing. This is art! This is actually amazing art because there’s a backstory to it. I love it. I want to see more.

So, what I'm noticing in all the drawings youve posted is none of them are finished, of course youll think it looks like shit if all youve drawn is a circle and a line. I think the best advice i can give you is try to finish something even if it looks bad, because if you get stuck in the beginning stages you wont go anywhere. Trace over a character you like if it helps, and dont worry about technique like using your shoulders (ive been drawing for ~10 years and never did that). Good luck

>>7599159
not bad, not bad! how do you feel, howie?

>>7599159
Make a tripcode so when this thread 404s we can continue on your journey.

>>7599159
Try this anon. Grid drawing. This will help you with your curves. I suggest you get a very simple coloring book and with a ruler you carefully measure perfect squares on the original image and then, with the same ruler, you make the same squares on paper and then do one square at a time.

>>7599159
talented rat!

>>7599468
The grid drawing usually looks too complex for me. Should I try it?

>>7600507
>>7600507
nta, but there is no harm in trying. Just don't get discouraged, your progress is exciting for all of us here and we support you.

>>7594739
yeah i have adhd too, its called discipline and self shaming

>>7600574
>>7599468
Whats the best method or supplies to do this?

>>7595198
One thing you need to get passed is thinking you need to do things right the first time
That isn’t possible for anyone
Key aspects total begs lack are
Dexterity, observation, and knowledge
You need some mileage to build these skills

Just drawing circles and lines for a few pages will help improve your line confidence
Look into dynamic sketching

>>7601249
Since you do traditional, you can get some graph paper, then you go square by square copying the image from the screen onto the graph paper. It might also help you start drawing using graph paper in general, since you've said your lines aren't very straight, you might might find it helpful to start with straight lines already on the page.

The hardest part is that it'll be up to you to figure out what works best and what you're able to draw with it. What matters is that you never go back to "how do I draw" and start asking "how do I improve?". >>7601315 this anon is right that you're going to get things wrong, just try again (and again, and again...)

>>7601358
What graph paper do you recommend? I'm going to try ordering some from Amazon.

Is this it? Is this the last Howie thread?

>>7602721
something with large squares so you can copy large pictures, maybe make a new thread when you get your paper and we can work on copying.

>>7604284
Howie be a "yesdraw" now.

>>7604285 (you)
When I say "large squares" I mean something like this, I'm on .ca because I'm a leaf so feel free to order it from .com

http://amazon.ca/Graph-paper-Multiplication-large-squares/dp/B08HTD9Z6R/ref=sr_1_13?crid=1K5LGZNLQCSXG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.mkoxo6zXy-hDtVT-tSO0X0KZaSKxsA76tW5nrxlM0EsFBHGYE3bUsXjA-vKLHxhzYoLUXQvP8Fs6YT5WOLFRVH7MxrK9HITlxw5-eh_F5nOjP_lVa42ilMalbjjx_AmhmCdVFbz9kkFzKj8lbgoP5OwVTOvAuWNtedXhXv_XeeT8vvK0DFzfuTODjC0YwkEPPXN0mnmZCzPa--ZgfKpBMKk5Rlt8K1Nl3K5J2S6h94s.ByFCAg0zltAEIQA1xsSqhcZKUv7ATLnkwx8eXe_0gs8&dib_tag=se&keywords=graph+paper&qid=1749585906&s=books&sprefix=graph+paper%2Cstripbooks%2C94&sr=1-13

>>7604285 (you)
or this, go for 1inch squares

https://www.amazon.ca/Graph-Paper-Notebook-Graphing-Composition/dp/B08CM693F1/ref=sr_1_17?crid=1K5LGZNLQCSXG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.nx-LjyuZYRngBMBbkS2AgeFEWykoMXEuoa6oPWACfZPQgJZKkXZPJIi6G6Vabz0vDlFuuunQ40pczh-pz-QSjiUAQWKwfPl2mf99EVSQDV8p7zcAlItFzx8E7mGr52qEqzWWQGzJ20q9T_jbhJi1XfnPTmG2H1_QoPBOwJLcqfM.hOlFr3IIC8NXnzpCkJTOpa-hu3T-IiE7AC_RGOoOwaY&dib_tag=se&keywords=graph+paper&qid=1749586039&s=books&sprefix=graph+paper%2Cstripbooks%2C94&sr=1-17&xpid=CvGnFDZui5-uA

>>7604285
>>7604291
>>7604295
I haven't been able to order the paper yet. Are you sure it's required for traditional? I've got a drawing tablet too. I'm just trying to learn how to draw characters.

>>7605964
It's not necessarily required, but if you're a beginner that's been really struggling up until now it can help with observation as your eye compares what's in the grid and translates that onto the page.

As for digital, it might be good to start with traditional first since there's not as much to worry about - with digital you have to fiddle with stabilization settings, brushes, and getting a feel for the program. With traditional you only have a pencil and paper and less to be overwhelmed by.

>>7605964
Honestly, what matters most is that you stick with it. I agree with >>7606252 that trad is where to start, it's all I've seen you do and it's all I do personally, but if you are able to get going on your tablet you shouldn't be afraid to try anything. Have you thought about drawing anything else in the days since you did the mountains?

>>7606882
>>7606252
I'm trying to do the ball and plane method and I seriously don't know what I'm doing. That's the problem I'm having. All of this looks too complicated.

I still don't know what I'm doing.

I'm still looking for any advice.

>>7594685 (OP)
Wait is this that alien pic?

Drawing freehanded doesn't work for me.

>>7604295
>>7604291
I'm also trying grid drawing but it looks too complicated and the lines all visually overwhelm me and fuck me up.

>>7607323
>>7607713
>>7608193
>i don't know what i'm doing
because you are just drawing a bunch of floating constructed heads in hopes you'll "get" it. This is a method for placing features like eyes and nose and stuff. You can use methods to draw things you personally want to draw. Lines and shapes and such (for construction) are to help you place features for the actual thing you want to draw.

So what do you want to draw? Think of somethin simple, maybe a character's face since you want to draw characters, then use construction to help.

Don't be afraid to erase stuff, you can take breaks but don't immediately give up. Also accept that it will probably look like shit but that's okay because you're just learning and exploring, you aren't gonna become a master overnight

>>7607713
How did you draw the mountain? you were even able to shade the face of the mountain, you said so yourself. You over think construction, you know how bodies are shaped and can look at drawn examples. If you can't so that, then get graph paper or use a grid on your tablet and copy this.>>7599468

>>7608463
Because everything else looks too fucking difficult for me. I don't know what I'm doing with construction. I need help with it.

>>7609184
but you didn't use construction for the mountain, you're over thinking all of this. get a grid and copy that grid picture, otherwise just try to feel form like you did on the mountain pictures.

>>7609207
But I need construction to do any kind of character work. I can't figure it out otherwise.

>>7609207
Whenever I start something, my mind just goes crazy and I can't fucking finish it. I don't know how to draw anything I want to.

>>7609207
That's because the mountain was 3 or four squiggly lines and then some shading, not a complicated character design.

>>7609272
well make ten straight lines (two for each arm and leg, one for the body and one for the head) in the shape of a mecha. Add two more like a gun and some shadows. you always say you're obsessed with your ideas, so show us some, no matter how simple they may seem.

It's my day off and i've been roughly sketching characters all morning becuase i'm actually processed of my ideas. Don't worry about results, just get some stuff down and say you've started your project....everything else is just details...

>>7609332 (you)
*possessed

Your great strength is a desire to do it, so do it. Another anon said they like the little bit you do because there's an actual story here of you discovering yourself.

>>7609336
>>7609332
What tutorial should I follow?

>>7609404
There are multiple tutorials out there. You know how to google, if you can figure out how to put on a shirt and pants without someone telling how to do it you can do the same for looking up tutorials


Howie, genuinely asking, how do you think people feel when they see you posting this stuff constantly? Do you understand why many resort to trolling you?

>>7609419
Because there's so many tutorials and I'm looking for a good recommendation? I don't know which one to use.

>>7609419
I've looked a bunch of tutorials already and I don't know what I'm doing still. I don't know how to apply them to what I want to draw or how to use them.

>>7609423
>>7609419
Watching this and I don't know what I'm doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DVbargQCaY

>>7609480
I'm posting in both of your threads, we should try to keep it to just one. Fill it out, add detail and repost in ONE (1) of your threads.

>>7609536
I'm trying to do the arms and legs right now.

>>7609638
Glad to see it. Do you have a specific character idea in mind for this picture?

>>7609643
I was thinking of one of my OCs. I have about 15 character designs in my head for it.

>>7609645
I look forward to seeing them! When you finally post a finished OC sketch, even a rough one, I'll post one of mine too.

Not sure what to do beyond this.

>>7609714
I don't know what to do.

>>7610005
>>7610086
What role does this character play in the story? Presumably they have an outfit, can you try to fill out their body with a shirt, pants, or other accessories? Pants will be a little wider then the legs, start at the hips and come down to the ankles. A shirt can give some more mass to the waist, just have it taper near the hips and then come out over the shoulders and down the arms. Otherwise hands and face are next, but clothes let you make distinct characters based on roles. Leave their heads and hands blank, but story to get a few people with specific places in your narrative.

>>7610147 (you)
Remember not to make the pants or shirt completely straight either. They should fit the shape of the body, bending at the elbow and knee. Add footwear and any other details your character would need to show their part in the story (except for face and hands, we'll do those last)

>>7610173
>>7610147
Should I do a divided ball and plane on the head to start off with? I have an idea for the outfit, but I'm wondering if I need to do anymore beyond what I've done in regards to construction.

>>7610178
The truth is, I'm a "just draw" purist. I don't use construction and I don't learn from tutorials, I just draw to play with ideas, deal with my mental health and enjoy free time between jobs while saving money for the next phase of my life. I think this will be good for your mental health and self esteem, but everyone is different and you clearly benefit from more instruction and a less casual approach.

So I'm not sure what the best method for constructing is. What you are doing seems fine, you've got the right shape, so I'd suggest you keep doing what you're doing. Ultimately "how" you finish constructing the head and body is up to you, this is what defines your style.

I look forward to being able to discuss your story and characters directly.

>>7610195
So what should I do? I don't feel like I can make myself draw anything if I don't have instructions or a way to do it outside of just making myself.

>>7610195
Construction helps me line things up and get things correct so my anatomy isn't completely fucked up. I don't really know what I'm doing when I try drawing free handed.

>>7610213
You ARE drawing.

>>7610215
Yeah, that's why I said everyone is different. Not only do I prefer drawing loosely, but my story is mythological and my characters are mostly creatures, so every case is a little different. You're going to have to figure out how you want to do humans and vehicles to do a mecha story. Construction helps with that, use whatever method you're using now. Just keep pushing forward with the head and show me what you're thinking for an outfit..

>>7594685 (OP)
Reply to this with a drawing you've started and I will walk you though

>>7610005
Draw more.
>>7610086
Draw more.
>>7610178
Draw more.
>>7610213
Draw more.

>>7612785
What methods do I use?

>>7612996
nta, I'm the one who was helping you before, what happened to the drawing you were doing before?

>>7613011
I never finished it or went beyond what I showed.

>>7612996
The ones where you draw more.
>>7613046
Draw more.

>>7613046
imo you're overthinking construction. you'd be better off scribbling up some character concepts with bad anatomy who can convey your ideas...you might even have fun with it. You claim to have over a dozen oc ideas, just put a face and an outfit on this guy, give him a name, and let >>7612491 offer some suggestions from there

>>7594734
Will you fuck off with this.
This doesn't even make sense

>>7613139
Neither do you.
Also, draw more, lazy retard

>>7613139
disregard insults, put a face and an outfit on this guy >>7610005 and give him a name. we don't care how good it looks, we just want to finally be able to talk about a your characters and story, but to do this you have to finish at least one rough character sketch.

>>7613090
Personally I feel like I need construction to figure out where everything goes

OP can you rotate an apple in your mind?

>>7613280
You feel wrong.

>>7613280
To be fair, I never said you shouldn't. I said just keep going ahead with what you were doing, but you couldn't even do that. I can't help anymore then telling you to keep doing what you're doing and then repost. You keep saying you have all these ideas, so then construct a frame and put your idea onto it.

>>7613299
Because I can't make myself draw is the problem. I have a ton of mental resistance and worrying and I can never figure anything out.

What do I do first? Do I use the ball and plane method on his head? Then what do I do for the body?

>>7613304
Draw more.

>>7613329
How do I make myself?

>>7613330
By drawing more.

>>7613332
>>7613299
I updated the stick figure because the legs were too short.

>>7613340
Good. Now keep drawing. Then draw some more.

>>7613366
This. Keep going until you can call it an oc.

>>7613368
Do I use the ball and plane method on the head of the mannequin?

>>7613382
Draw more. Draw things.

>>7613382
Whichever you prefer, like i said this is what before, this is what will determine your style. I don't use construction personally, so use whatever you like best. Just pick one and put on a face, then show us what you're thinking for an outfit.

>>7613389
Literally this.

I can't believe we're making Howie actually draw :)
Howie's drawing more than Pawell these days!

>>7613390 (you)
>like i said this is what before
obviously there I just meant "like i said before"

>>7613391
>I can't believe we're making Howie actually draw :)
=D

>>7613393
:'^)

>>7604284
>Guaranteed 500+ reply thread every time
Not a chance lmao. There's a whole page on the sharty wiki with copypastas and details on how to create threads like this

>>7613340
What clothes do you want to put on them?

Holy shit Howie is actually drawing

>>7613459
I suppose the only way to know if it's the real Howie or not is if someone can actually make him draw. We know this is the real Howie because he actually drew something, and now we know how to make him do it

>>7614194
he reuses the same drawings, which is why hes ignoring specific requests. howie is a faggot loser.

HOWIIIEEEEE
DRAW MOOOOREEEE YOU GIGANTIC FAGGOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>7614227
T_T

You know, it almost feels nice that people finally convinced Howie to draw but that sensation goes away very quickly on realising that this is STILL just a pseudo-general dedicated to some random faggot's pathetic struggle for no good reason. Far from novel, just plain worthless. Fuck mods.

>>7614248
Howie drawings will be the new Dalí paintings. They're gonna be worth millions in the future.

I think I'm turning into a howie. I could be drawing RIGHT NOW but its like I dont have enough MP to do it. If I draw I have to draw for at least 2 hours and finish a drawing, I can't just draw nothing for 5 minutes. How do normal people have the energy to just do things all day? I just want to stare at a wall.

>>7614254
Draw more.

>>7595833
Then why are you on Adderall? You need the opposite. You need to go meditate and get on a dopamine receptor blocker (see: antipsychotic) and go for long walks (1 hour or more) and fucking start exercising so you have the life force energy to assert your will on this universe you find yourself in, because when you die you're gonna have to justify the space you took up to what ever fucking created you. This goes much further than "how to draw", this is a lifestyle and spiritual discipline issue. Now hop to it.

>>7596059
Try this: Once a day for a week, draw 50 circles on a piece of paper, put it down, forget it. Trains you to get comfortable going through the motions of doing that. You can then try going from there to something more complicated. Triangles, perhaps.
What it sounds like honestly is you judge yourself too much.

>>7597868
>I don't get enjoyment out of doing most things.
Please understand that this isn't normal. If your current doctor isn't helping, try to advocate for yourself and get a new one who can address this.

>>7614297
I got off Twitter for a week and felt better.

>>7614353
Getting yourself away from things that cause you rage is a good first step to feeling better.

Now that you know you can draw, now you can take more steps into improving your mental health. That's outside the board's scope though, I know you can find advice to help with that.

I still can't make myself draw.

>>7614248
Every place on the Internet for learning art has at least a few Howies. It's like these guys are produced on a factory line. Same sad-sack story, same smorgasbord of mental disabilities, they all have a burning desire to get these vivid stories and images out of their mind yet they all give up at the slightest difficulty, same resistance to any genuine advice, yet they all have endless time to whine about their predicament on the Internet. Id like the mods to do something, and our Howie is probably just a dedicated troll at this point, but these dudes are going to sneak their way around whatever rules that are set up because their real joy in life is wasting the time and energy of people who actually try and infecting them with unhealthy thought patterns and habits

>>7614832
I'm afraid of showing any ideas i have for OCs here out of fear that they'll be traced back to me on social media if and when I make one.

>>7615097
Draw more.

>>7615097
Either have the courage to post your content and improve this place or go elsewhere for fear of your reputation being associated with a place that never improves.

>>7615097
>excuses

>>7615102
I just don't want to be traced back to here.

>>7615900
If you're that afraid of being associated with this site, then get off this site. You even admitted you don't have a social media yet, which means at the moment this IS your social media. If you like it here, then please do your part to improve it.

>>7616016
Okay, so how do I force myself to do it?

>>7619866
You did it once, you can do it again

>>7594685 (OP)
look closely at this drawing. zoom in on the individual marks.
you can make those marks. nothing in the detail of this drawing is impossible for you. What you're missing are the fundamentals. if you practice the fundamentals, you can use those retard-tier marks too to turn whatever you draw now into a masterpiece
(ofc this is one page out of a manga from a guy who works without assistants iirc, so not exactly apples to apples)

>>7619999
nice quads if I do say so myself. because I can anticipate the howie tier followup question, I'll just say this. There's one iron law to art, which is that you're not /allowed/ to draw good pictures without first drawing a million shitty ones. If you want to draw the above, you need to first draw a shitty house in perspective. you need practice drawing shitty boxes. you must draw shitty clouds, shitty docks etc. they will look like down syndrome child drew them. it doesn't matter which guide or school of thought you follow, you must put marks on the page.
this is why everyone in this thread is so frustrated at you

>>7619948
I still haven't done anything with that figure.

>>7622841
Ok. What are you going to do about it?

>>7623093
My antidepressants make me unmotivated.

>>7623694
>on meds
>"my meds make me unmotivated"
>off of meds
>"i can't focus because i don't have any meds"

>>7623787
Yeah so what do I do?

>>7623860
should have been born to parents that didn't tolerate this behavior

>>7623903
Adopt me

>>7597956
There was a thing going around where a leaked image of an alien from area 51 was posted to 4chan but got deleted within minutes and the whole site went down because of it. It's obviously fake but that's what this image is based off of.

>>7623918
Prove you're worthy of adoption (by drawing cool things)

>>7622841
because this
>>7614227

That has got to be the cutest skelly man I've ever seen

>>7626330
that looks great, thank you for sharing

>>7626332
This

>>7626330
Finally something good came from this thread.

>>7624001
Remember kids: Howie isn't real, he's just a story to scare /begs/ into drawing.

So what do I do?

>>7626330
Very nice work anon

>>7594731
This is like some classic edge I'd hear in chatrooms, you made me nostalgic. That said, you're retarded.

>>7627270
I don't know what to do.

STOP FUCKING REPLYING YOU USELESS RETARDS HOLY SHIT

>>7634042
i hope you sneeze out a large chunk of snot onto your arm, and when you do people and stare at you for eternity in judgement, while I laugh behind the 2 way mirror of your personal hell.

Trying to do things with that figure and I don't know what I'm doing.

>>7635025
keep repeating that for an hour or two.

>>7635025
>things
??

legitimately shocked that howie can dress himself without his mom helping him with how he refuses to put in the effort to do literally anything that requires focusing for more than a minute

>>7635025
here's a pro tip, its hard to help when you cant see the work. Flick a light on and hold your hands still when youre taking pictures.

>>7635025
just use ai at this point

>>7635062
>howie can dress himself
We've never seen proof of that.

Howie has driven off anyone that could have been his friend so he pesters /ic/, /wsr/, /adv/, /lit/, and who knows where else because this is the closest thing to daily social interaction he has.

He damn well knows /ic/ cannot help him. Every single piece of advice that can possibly be given has already been given. He knows this. But he is so fried by the constant dopamine he seeks that he gains from being called retarded that he doesn't care anymore, he'll keep asking for "real advice" over and over again until no one is left.

He blames it on his meds, his lack of meds, his ADHD, his autism, his shaky hands, his lack of motivation, the fact he has motivation that he doesn't know where to start, there's too much, everything looks too complicated, how can i force myself to do something because I can't because I had ADHD and autism and shakey hands and I haven't left the house in three years because the outside world looks too complicated because-

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND BE A HUMAN BEING INSTEAD OF A PATHETIC LEECH FOR ONCE. STOP BEING A COMPLETE WASTE OF OXYGEN. IF I WERE YOUR FATHER I WOULD HAVE KILLED MYSELF ALREADY KNOWING THAT MY SON SPENDS EVERY DAY BITCHING ABOUT HOW HIS LIFE SUCKS ON A VIETNAMESE GLASSBLOWING FORUM. USE REFERENCES. TRACE. USE AI. JUST FUCK OFF ALREADY.

do any of these fit howie

>>7594685 (OP)
>i don't have motivation
>taunts /ic/ every day since forever

>>7635187
Perseverance, but the kind of perseverance to spam /ic/ instead of actually draw or improve his life in any way.

>>7594685 (OP)
why do you even want to draw?

>>7634042
people reply because the op represents a little voice in all of us. If you can't even prove op wrong, then all you're doing is running from the truth. Even if you hide the thread, the seed is planted in your head.

>>7638085
I want to make stories in a visual medium. All of the stories that I want to make would require a visual medium more than a literary one. It's impossible for me to actually write about any of the ideas I want to write about since they'd all fit something visual. I also want to draw things that I happen to be hyper fixating on. Robots, aliens, mecha, just anything.
I've been trying to learn construction in order to do this. Nothing else matters to me right now.

>>7635058
Because I don't know what the fuck to do or what I'm doing.

>>7640953
I think you made good progress by starting to draw humans

>>7640955
It looks retarded is the problem.

>>7640955
I don't think I have.

>>7640955
What do I do from here?

>>7640974
You draw more of the human. The more you draw, the better you get.

>>7640975
What methods?

>>7641048
Draw the outlines

>>7641048
Just fucking draw jesus christ. Stop overthinking literally everything.

>>7641236
I don't know how which is why I'm asking here. How do I make myself?

>>7641237
You can do it! You did it before and you will do it again. Then you will post your drawing and we will help you again

>>7635116
This is all me except I do draw but Im too hard on myself and its hard to have fun and be creative when every stroke I put down makes me want to kill myself. I think i’m starting to develop a fear of drawing and its destroying me even further

>>7594685 (OP)
hey Howie, i pooped out a beetle. here, draw this! i promise, i'm worth it!

>>7641237
Do same thing you did last time

>>7641652
This

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD HOLY SHIT

>>7641902
It doesn't matter. Powerie will make a new one regardless.

>>7641647
but how?

>>7641258
>>7641652
How do I make myself?

>>7642024
What did you do last time you actually drew?

>>7642030
I don't know how I made myself. My ADHD and paroextine makes me unmotivated to do anything.

>>7642030
I don't know. I just did it but I don't know how to make myself.

>>7642041
Meditate in darkness on how to start again like back on that day

>>7642041
You have it really hard with all your conditions. It's not easy for you. It's amazing you managed to draw a few times now. Take things at your own speed and don't be too hard on yourself. Draw when you feel like it. Don't push yourself mentally too much.

>>7642073
If I take your advice then I'll never draw.

>>7642092
You got this. It's amazing you managed to draw in the past. You can repeat this. It will happen!

>>7642100
No, it won't really. That's my problem. I won't be able to draw again for months.

>>7642109
That is a terrifying prospect. How big is the fear of you not drawing again? Are you able to increase that fear? Harness the fear. Ride on its back.

>>7642112
It's just apathy at this point.

>>7642116
I see. The apathy makes it hard to feel anything, right? You are in a state of depression and that is making you not drawing or feel the fear of rotting away and not doing anything. Is it like that?

>>7642121
Yes.

>>7642123
Tell me about your past. Has it always been like this? Or was there a starting point when the apathy set in?

>>7642126
It's more or less always been like this. I got called a retard and idiotic growing up and never really got into any single hobby.

>>7642137
What are your current living arrangements? What is the place like where you drew last time? Can you describe that desk?

>>7642139
I'm in a cluttered room and I'm living with my parents

>>7642147
You are a writer, right? Describe the place you were drawing at.

>>7642153
I don't have the motivation

>>7642154
That's okay. It's not easy for you. And it is, honestly, really mean how you were called names in the past. What would be name we should call you instead of the slurs people have given you?

>>7642194
How about giving actual advice?

>>7642211
Helping you requires learning about you. You're a human and you deserve being heard.

>>7642220
Can you give actual advice? I believe I've said enough.

>>7642223
I am sorry I haven't been able to give advice yet. I'm trying to help you by understanding you a bit better. I can understand your point that you need help. It's, honestly, great that you're seeking help from people. There's lots of people who won't even reach out in the first place. I don't want to call you Howie because that would be insulting.
Is there currently a piece of paper near within reach near you?

>>7642232
This isn't going to work. Give me actual advice.

>>7642363
Kill yourself

>>7642147
Clean up your room, you'll feel more motivated
>that's not actual advi-
Actually, it is, being in a clean environment can help with motivation. When you've finished cleaning your room you'll most likely feel motivated to actually draw.
>give me actual advi-
Just give it a shot, what else do you have to lose at this point

>>7642363
It's fine. Starting art is a very daring thing. I'm glad you're reaching out. I'll be here for you.

>>7642571
People draw all the time with dirty and unkempt rooms. Give me actual advice.

>>7643090
You are doing so great. You will draw. Imagine yourself drawing right now. Can you see it in your head how you're putting the pen on the paper and then drawing one of your characters? Imagining how you're drawing is the first step!

>>7643095
Stop saying the same things over and over and tell me what I'm supposed to do.

>>7643147
Okay! You are supposed to draw what you want to draw.

OP is either trolling or a lost cause. Maybe there's something that can help him draw, but I doubt that that something can be found in a thread on /ic/

>>7643220
We have to show him compassion like
>>7637723
>>7637680
said! We can do it. We can motivate OP!

>>7643221
I get your point, but is there anything, any advice that he won't reply to with "It's not an actual advice"?
For example, if you link him to that Loomis book and tell him to try to follow the instructions, he's probably gonna say "I don't have the motivation to do it" or "I can't follow the instructions". Then it seems like there are big psychological problems that need to be dealt with before he can start drawing. And yet he's not being receptive to you trying this angle.

>>7643225
He just hasn't gotten the right advice yet. You have to give him credit for trying so hard for several years now. This persistence has to be admired and persistence is one very important character trait needed in art!

>>7643233
Alright man. Hopefully when 20 years down the line he becomes a renowned artist, he's gonna remember you as his biggest day1 ally

>>7643147
>Stop saying the same things over and over
Have you looked in a mirror

>>7643407
Please don't be mean to him. People have been mean to him all his life. This is not helping him. We need to be nice and give him advice that works!

>>7643497
You are optimistic and that's admirable to an extent but I'm sorry, you can't help him. Please put that optimism towards your own artistic pursuits.