Thread 7601172

>nearly all the nsfw artist end up with successful sfw projects with prominent guests making appearances
>while those that are purely sfw never grow or remain forgotten
It looks like drawing porn has the highest chance of success after all(not surprising), so for those that are purely sfw keep your expectations low.

Prudes are inherently uncreative, all they do is create ugly, deformed tumblr characters based on the lie that is shape design

>>7601172 (OP)
no speedo just has his own style and know what to make

>>7601189
Holy cope

>>7601189
The hardest working and most interesting artists on this board are coom artists.
There's a couple of good sfw creators on here but all the interesting and technically impressive work is in the coom threads

>>7601172 (OP)
I'd say his actual success came from him making that short music video for some random japanese band - which the band just happened to see, like, and got them to hire him to make an official video.
It's all just built up from there - not to diminish the quality of his work and say "it was all luck", though.

Simply showing admiration for others' work, and reaching out to others pays dividends.

>>7601189
Yes, let it be known that you have the highest chance of making it in the SFW industry if you naturally gravitate towards creating gay, trans, and blacked porn!

>>7601189
Anon... Tumblr has been dead since 2018. Please get some new material.

>>7601212
Alright, artstation deformed and ugly characters based on the meme that is shape design

>>7601189
TRVTH NOVA.
Prudecels can't create for shit because they are too busy crumbling to the thoughts of how someone else might perceive them.

>>7601216
>the meme that is shape design
pyw

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>>7601172 (OP)
speedoru's projects do well because he's talented and puts his talent to good use. Someone like Cory can't finish a fucking beat 'em up in 10 years

>>7601189
>>7601199
>>7601266
Porn artist are the Laziest mother fuckers, They'll take a character with powers built for sex, and have them in boring poses, why?
>pick Flavor of the week character
>pick a generic pose from other porn for reference
> draw no background so they don't have to interact with it.
> gooner praise

>>7601172 (OP)
sure thing coomer. lets not include the fact he's a well known animator for years and his porno has always been weak as shit

>>7601292
>this stupid nigga thinks not being a prude =/= the artist only draws porn

Look at the sketches of ALL disney animators, no prude can animate Esmeralda, Pocahontas and Nani like they did. You are fucking retard kill yourself immediately.

>>7601292
>> gooner praise
I mean, look at who they appeal to, the lowest common denominator, who're most likely to ask for FotM character in their style or some shit.
It's easy and it gets you fame quickly.
Look at Speedo, ZONE, some other NSFW folks who "made it" all because they did some porn of popular shit.

>>7601172 (OP)
>It looks like drawing porn has the highest chance of success after all(not surprising), so for those that are purely sfw keep your expectations low.


Its not the fact that he draws porn. He just had a good idea that caught on and the drive and talent to make it into a cartoon. Some connections probably also helped. I do think that being a NSFW artist might have helped him be less restrained with some of the material than a strictly SFW artist is. But that could also be because he's not attached to any network when he makes the episodes.

>>7601299
Someone should raid disney and release the contents of the infamous smut vault

>>7601292
That's why porn artists are the ones who are the most easily replaced by AI. In porn the artist has no meaning and reason to exist or be included in the experience because only the shallow visual is important. Porn artists have nothing to say and nothing to express. They don't think, nor do they ponder. They have nothing to chase and nothing to fulfill. It's all just porn for the sake of porn and only porn. They don't even realize how much they are dehumanizing themselves and each other, reducing their existence to the most shallow and meaningless part of the human condition. Coomer artists of the past at least had something interesting to say, but what do I get from the average modern porn artist that can't be delivered by a soulless machine? Absolute AI victims.

>>7601337
and he comments on it with the image of the most soporific and generic example that exists, typical westoid.

>>7601337
>says that in a thread about a porn artist successful project

kekarooooo, go draw your still life fruit grandma

>>7601337
>nothing to say and nothing to express. They don't think, nor do they ponder.
You are describing nearly every artist who works in the mass media industry, not most NSFW artists.

I have seen more meaningful art from porn artists than artstation/twitter concept slopfarmers. THOSE are who AI threatens. The coomer artists are not unless they are excessively lazy ones who only got into it for money rather than a love of what they make.

We live in a world where elementary teachers are allowed to do OF.
You are 100% correct that it doesn't matter anymore.
Shadbase could get a Nickelodeon show and I wouldn't be surprised.
The difference is you think this is a good thing, Shlomo

>>7601348
>Shadbase could get a Nickelodeon show and I wouldn't be surprised.
it already happened, chris savino used to draw incest comics before he got the loud house

>>7601292That's something I always keep in mind when drawing porn. Am I getting the most out of the characters or setting? How can I make my new drawing stand out from previous ones? Sadly, most people settle for pin-ups or repetitive sex scenes. Then again, maybe that's what the audience wants. Perhaps they don't want to see a character with ice powers use them during sex; they just want to see her naked and fucking. I imagine these people are attracted to such characters because of their appearances or personalities, not the things that make them unique.

>>7601189
This is pretty much true but its not specifically a sfw/nsfw divide. Its conformist vs individualist.

Many SFW artists care very much about how they are percieved by others, many NSFW artists (not most, just many) do not really.

Nirvana is achieved when you only care about if something is sfw or nsfw for the purposes of tagging it to respect others' consent to view adult art or not, and to force conformist retards out of your space.

The key is to make what you like. If that's raunchy, do it. If it's soft bunnies in meadows, do it. Don't worry about the masses.

>>7601351
jfc I'm glad I'm old

>>7601343
What does it matter if it's generic, as long as it has meaning and something to express, creating a feeling beyond getting your dick hard and monkey brain excited?

>>7601345
What's the point of success if it's not fulfilling? I am sure Speedoru feels more accomplished and satisfied telling stories with carefully crafted characters instead of femboys getting fucked by three black dudes.

>>7601346
>You are describing nearly every artist who works in the mass media industry, not most NSFW artists.
I guess you are right that this doesn't describe only porn artists. Pretty much the majority of modern artists can be described as shallow and bland. But is that because of their self-indulgence, or because most are simply too scared to be vulnerable and to create their own path instead of following the group?

>THOSE are who AI threatens. The coomer artists are not unless they are excessively lazy ones who only got into it for money rather than a love of what they make.
But how many coomer artists aren't exactly that? I've seen NSFW artists who draw because they are passionate about the human form, but I've yet to see PORN artists who are motivated by passion instead of addiction and external achievements like numbers. At least with industry artists, you are a tiny piece of a bigger thing, working and connecting with others, creating something special. The majority of porn artists, on the other hand, are consumed by their lust to the point that nothing human from them can be seen in their art at all. At the end of it, it's all just piss, shit, and cum, and only that.

>>7601366
It’s more like you are a coping shitter that can’t handle the truth, you should just quit drawing at this point, if you even draw in the first place.

> coom artis
Is there a guidebook from any of these talents? "This is how you draw nsfw."

>>7601385
If you want to put my in my place you should post you work, because it sounds like you're just projecting.

>>7601371
>At least with industry artists, you are a tiny piece of a bigger thing, working and connecting with others, creating something special
This depends on your perspective. I see that as being a disposable cog in a machine, a skin cell that gets sloughed off when no longer useful. This is especially so when the project itself is something you don't give a shit about at all.
But then I also disconnected pretty hard from current culture because it's just a waste of time, money and energy, so if you still have some attachment to that then I can't relate.
And we're teetering over the hill of extreme breakdown of the monoculture anyway, which cannot come fast enough. Fuck the disneyfied, capeshit, fortnite-blender slop mentality that has infected everything.

>I've yet to see PORN artists who are motivated by passion instead of addiction and external achievements like numbers.
That sounds like you just don't look around much and only see the mass-like slop that you have the unfortunate experience of seeing on your feed. Or it's just something you aren't into, so you get distracted by the visceral elements.
>I've seen NSFW artists who draw because they are passionate about the human form
If your main way of understanding "passion" is through pure subject-matter understanding then it would be easy to only look at things this way... a lot of meaningful nsfw art is about the emotional passion. The way the characters interact, their expressivity, the situations shown or implied. It's not care for how light scatters off a tit, it's care for how the woman with said tit is leaning in a POV shot towards the viewer with calm endearment and non-ulterior desire.
Or with mixed scorn from how her conscious perception differs from her feelings of desire. Or other things.

>>7601387
There’s no need for that. You’re just a fag that will never make it, since all the successful industry vet made it because they draw and post porn and you refuse to do it and make up copes instead.

aren’t you guys just down right tired of randos like up above telling you that you won’t make it and won’t amount to anything just because they start an argument and refuse to finish it properly?

>>7601172 (OP)
It's crazy how you can immediately tell when a sfw artist also draws porn. They have that soulless gooner slop artstyle even when they draw sfw shit.

>>7601172 (OP)
I draw porn but i'm not instantly popular

>>7601172 (OP)
No thanks. I wanna keep my dignity. But if you enjoy being known as an internet whore who jerks off others with your art, then more power to you.

this guy used to make nsfw animations and deleted it before he switch to sfw animations. Goes to show that 9/10, popular sfw artist drew porn to reach where they are at. Even using the "muh industry", the industry vets drew porn to be able to reach their goals for decades. If you want to make it expect to draw porn at least and going full sfw won't cut it, if you don't care about making it, then you shouldn't be seething and rejecting this fact, since you shouldn't be bother by this in the first place.

>>7601337
>Porn artists are the ones who are the most easily replaced by AI
The most incorrect statement on this entire board. The amount of jobs for commercial illustrators since AI has halved, probably even more. Meanwhile the amount of porn commissions and Patreon subscribers to porn content has barely dropped when compared to some other category that had nothing to do with AI. The artists most easily replaced by AI are those working for large companies because middle managers see saving money more important then gooners do. Tell me how many people these days ask commissions to make their DnD characters, or to make you an ad, or get hired as concept artist. Now compare that to the amount of artists still doing well in coom market. 2D AI is basically already perfect in most cases and has not shown any kind of improvement in the past year or two, and they are still going strong making furry OCs.

>>7601467
internet? even successful industry pros drew porn to reach where they are at, some aren't known for it, since most of it is a low profile, while others are widely known for it.

>>7601189
beautiful retardation

>>7601436
Show soulful artstyle so we can laugh at you

>>7601476
i do post on the internet im just not that popular. Industry plants can do whatever they want and ppl will eat their shit up.

>>7601473
>The amount of jobs for commercial illustrators since AI has halved
The funniest thing is that's partly due to companies overhiring during rona and then returning to baseline now that a large portion of the population isn't cooped up looking for media to consoom. Supply and demand comes for all.

But yes as the corps push the envelope on how sloppy they can debase their IPs while still getting the mass-market dollar, I anticipate they will try to move towards lazier and lazier AI usage.

If any anons here work for industry players, you best start building your web presence and notability as an artist outside of your dayjob. Even if you aren't at risk of being fired soon, you will still gain the leverage to negotiate better pay and benefits as you could more easily threaten to quit if you have a personal safety net.

>The artists most easily replaced by AI are those working for large companies because middle managers see saving money more important then gooners do.
Big corps are the 2nd-easiest. The easiest are the small companies that make shovelware apps and games, because they are either scamming VC investment thru shell companies, are harvesting data, or have minmaxed the amount of overhead vs profit they make from each sale.

>>7601208
funny you're trying to be sarcastic about it, but what you said is actually true.

>>7601484
>Industry plants
anon....

I have anti-talent, brainfog limits everything I can do. But I'm still not giving up. You don't need to be good at drawing, or lucky, or motivated, or driven in order to make it. I will prove that.

>>7601493
thats what the person replied to me said that

>>7601172 (OP)
If you don't have the balls to make and post porn, you probably don't have the balls to break into the industry.

I thought doing NSFW essentially blacklists you from the SFW industry. Did I get switched into another world line again? Because that's how it worked in the other timeline....

>>7601670
That was a rumor spread by a prior generation of crabs. You feel for it.

>>7601172 (OP)
>nsfwfag draws the most safe horny slop
>normies love him
now find me an artists that only draws loli no adult women at all that is liked by normies

>>7601172 (OP)
Speedosausage was a sfw artist first, then he did some porn and then he went back to making internet cartoons

>>7601678
look at this
>>7601472

>>7601189
2015 time traveler

>>7601337
> Porn artists have nothing to say and nothing to express
For the love of god, go read some 70s shonenai

>>7601678
Hideki Ishikawa draws loli porn of Roll despite working as an official artist at Capcom during the late 90s, and everyone loves Megaman Legends.

>>7601678
Being liked by normies is a bad thing.

But Nanashi - the Nagatoro guy - is fairly close. I wouldn't say Nagatoro is super normie but it's definitely within range. His older works are fairly extreme

I only draw porn when I have no good ideas. It doesn't really make sense to draw fap material because real porn will always be a better drug.

>>7601292
Because pornfags don't need to do more than the bare minimum since their audience of brain rotten browns, kiddies and autists go absolutely insane at the sight of a wrist or their favorite character from their favorite shows or games showing some skin

Every piece of art you all are thinking of is only the most shallow repetitive bland attempts to appeal to the lowest common denominator for social media numbers and you only know of those works because the great majority of people have incredible shit taste and somehow have never seen a naked female before that they go bananas for any and all depictions of nudity.

The absolute jealousy of the people in this thread lmfao

look at this dude
>>7602514


lmfao

>you're jealous of people so miserable they only draw pornography for likes to gain the attention of minors and niggers on the internet in the utmost delusional belief that they will make lots of money off of it because they're getting likes from scraping bots on twatter
Your type of behavior is exactly why everything is going down the shitter.
You should genuinely seek to take your own life.

>>7601199
Are they more honest and less insecure?

>>7601172 (OP)
I knew about speedo before he got into porn. He would be successful without it.

>>you're jealous of people so miserable they only draw pornography
projecting
didn't even read the rest

>>7602709
>Prude incapable of comprehending enjoying making porn

dude sex

>>7602709
The only reason YOU would make porn is if you're miserable.
I make it because I genuinely like it and like doing so.
We are not the same, get the fuck out of my subculture you psychopath, it's not actually easy money.
>>7602514
You as well, fuck off with your shallow understanding.

You retards need to understand that trying to appeal to "the great majority of people" is a fucking fool's errand that can only be believed if you have no understanding of the sheer scale of the companies whose business is going for that market. How much data and resources you need to be able to pivot on a time to meet the normie tides, to engineer trends, and to ensure regulatory capture. It's a naiive thing to even entertain as an idea for a self-employed artist to bother with.

I love the art community :)

>>7601172 (OP)
>nearly all nsfw artists
niggas will cherrypick a few success stories and ignore the tens of thousands of failures drawing deviantart-tier furry porn commissions for scraps
textbook survivor bias

>>7602842
It's really crap, the fact that it's published here doesn't surprise me.

>>7602965
Learn english

>>7602842
GOAT Nagai is just an old perv that liked to include nudity in his stories. Putting this legend into the same category as porn artists should get you beaten up.

>>7602842
Based

>>7602928
>niggas will cherrypick a few success stories and ignore the tens of thousands of failures drawing deviantart-tier furry porn commissions for scraps
if it ten thousand for porn, then it's 200k for sfw. Anon, you don't have to cope about this. People who draw porn are WAY more successful in life from the the industry stand point to online.

>>7602928
Yeah, if they didn't draw deviantart-tier shit they would be successful, more successful then sfw prudes drawing on similar level

>>7601299
Pocahontas mentioned

>>7601172 (OP)
>>while those that are purely sfw never grow or remain forgotten
Eh, not necessarily. I'm a furfag and have seen some SFW artists get much earned attention. NSFW art appeals to the most basic instinct of humans, of course it'll be much easier to attract views with it, the bar is low and easily reachable, even low skill artists can attract a following by drawing a niche fetish for example.
I've been in this fandom for 10 years now and porn ain't all that's cracked up to be, it has understandably lost its luster to me, sure you'll get a nice hit of dopamine but creatively speaking it's not fruitful. How is drawing porn going to help you grow as an artist? I will say that it will improve your grasp on anatomy and also perspective if you're so daring, but other than that they convey no message, your mind is pleased in the moment but will stagnate in the long run, consume it long enough and you'll become bogged in this pleasant trap, I've seen some artists actually regress over the years (Peritian, Viktria/Zummeng, Jailbird, Aaron, the list goes on). Why SHOULD you improve? You're drawing the same fucking poses over and over again of 2 dudes plugging holes, no shit dude.
I think the NSFW-to-SFW success stories are an example of survivorship bias and also of the feeling I have that they succeeded in spite of the porn, they would've made it even without it, and conversely just because you're gonna draw porn will not guarantee your own success. Being a porn artist is the art equivalent of being a prostitute, is that really what you want to be known for, the goal you aspire to? It's your choice, but if you have it in you you can do better than that, there's so much porn already you'll just be adding it to the pile

>>7603117
>How is drawing porn going to help you grow as an artist?
>You're drawing the same fucking poses over and over again
Nah, see >>7601388

>>7602135
>>7602229
Being locked out of SFWsville doesn't apply to NSFW Japs. I don't make the rules, this is just how it is for some reason.

>>7601172 (OP)
>show is clearly trying to go for le 90s VHS anime aesthetic thats popular among zoomers right now for some reason
>characters all look like modern day twitter ocs
damn it if youre going to go for an older aesthetic commit to it.
the circus show pulled this crap too.

>>7603369
Do you have any idea how much time the motherfucker would have to spend on the 2d animation with the 90s anime designs? Animation is leaning towards cartoony shit because any insignificant detail or line will have to be repeated in hundreds of frames in an animation lasting a fucking minute. He is popular exactly because he is not delusional enough to try to pull off something beyond his abilities

>>7601172 (OP)
Maybe in the west but in the east, shonenfags, slice of life fags and fujos are king. But then again who cares about the west. It's tiny market for art hence the number of artists turning to porn.

>>7603405
read it in her voice

>>7603462
>It's tiny market for art hence the number of artists turning to porn.
>says this, when east porn art market is 4-5 times where a good chunk of mangakas make porn to keep a float, while focusing on their manga
>even some successful mangakas go full porn despite creating a successful manga for the time being.
yeah...

So much coomer cope in this thread. I can't wait for Trump to completely ban porn so you fuckers can finally find real jobs.

>>7603405
(nta) an example of someone delusional enough to try 80s anime is otaking, but his work is super uncanny and ugly to me, but normies think he's great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShGElGusepA

>>7603369
>damn it if youre going to go for an older aesthetic commit to it.
it's not far off doctor slump in style.

>>7603737
Too many retards seem to think more frames = good.

>>7602821
>NNOOOOO I AM NOT MISERABLE YOU YOU YOU ITS ALL YOU YOU ARE A POOPYHEAD FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUUUUU LE HEEECKING PURITANS AAAAAAAAAAH YOU PSYCHOOOO SEX IS EEEEEEEPIC AAAAAAH
holy underage delusional coperoni on a ravioly

no wonder everyone hates your guts
lmao

>>7602821
Porn is not a substitute for a personality.
Kill yourself.

>>7601472
i think you're falling for survivorship bias here, looking at a handful of artists that successfully pivoted away from drawing pornography full-time doesn't necessarily mean anything.
surely the fact that they're experiencing greater success with producing non-pornographic work should be an indicator that the underlying reason has more to do with a desire to create and tell stories?

put in another way, if drawing porn is so lucrative, why did they stop?

>>7603811
Because there's only so much money you need for a comfortable life. My 62yo neighbour has enough cash to drink champaign and eat shrimps with beef every day but he chooses not to, because his taste is satisfied with baked beetroots. Animation requires audience and money to sustain yourself while you are working, porn allows you to break that entry much quicker than SFW which takes longer and brings less viewers. I know dogshit porn artists with dozens of thousands of followers but I don't know a single dogshit SFW artist with dozens of thousands of subscribers.

>>7603777
>>7603783
Retards, what part of "the mainstream doesn't matter" do you not understand?

>We are in the middle of the greatest wealth transfer in history.
>The large institutions are struggling to maintain infinite growth to feed retirement plans and are churning out ever-debased enshittified culture at an accelerated pace.
>People are increasingly fragmenting into subcultures, microcultures, latching onto trends and preserving them even as the mainstream moves on

The monoculture is in freefall. Find whatever the fuck you are passionate about and you will not give a shit. I can't imagine myself being passionate over golf or scrapbooking but those are obviously things people enjoy doing. Is it really so hard for you to consider that drawing NSFW art can bring someone real enjoyment?

>>7601172 (OP)
>Speedoru
>Nsfw artist
His nsfw was always hot garbage and he didn't start with it, he started with parody cartoons
For the life of me I can't figure out why he went into nsfw

>>7603920
Everyone likes sex, sex is not culture, it's hedonistic pursuit >>>in the very objective unbiased sense of the word<<< before you start sperg out about some irrelevant schizopolitics and boogeyman shit again.
You think being obsessed with the porn you like makes you cultured? Fucking remove yourself from the gene pool asap you fucking cattle. You are revolting on a human level, not because you consume porn, but because you are consumed by it.

Do you like food? And breathing air? Of course you do you fucking mongrel, you cannot not like primal needs, unless you're genuinely fucking retarded.

>>7604102
Subcultures can coalesce about anything, and NSFW art - and its subcategories have their own multitudes of subcultures.

It is not sex, sex is between people physically.

NSFW artwork is akin to the image you posted.
That is not food, that is art of food. Is it not a cultural artifact? What about caravaggio's still life fruits?

>>7604158
>What about caravaggio's still life fruits?
Nigga you're not culturer nor educated if you think studies amount to any real artistic value.
Go back into the jungle, monkey.

>>7604158
I thought the whole painting only fruit baskets was a meme, but there are actually fags like that...

>>7601337
Shitty opinion, KYS

>>7601337
Gotta love all the triggered replies because you are right.
That's why there are a ton of AI twitter accounts with tens or hundreds of thousands of followers that all make a bunch of money on patreon by spamming the lowest effort nsfw of currently popular character AI images.

>>7601172 (OP)
Yall are either doing too much thinking or not thinking at all.

Porn artists make enough money to work on passion projects that lead to greater success.

Porn artists when developing a SFW series bring their massive NSFW audience with them. SFW artists dont get that same attention.

simple as that.

>>7604410
AI doesn't replace porn artists, this is a dumb idea thrown around by people who would never pay for art at all.

How do I know this? Because it's all either the most normiecore "art is decoration" AI fags saying it, poltards, and the kinds of artists who suffer from impostor syndrome. None of these would ever pay an artist, much less a NSFW artist.

>>7604547
>thrown around by people who would never pay for art
So about 99% of the target consumer base of porn?
The only ones paying for porn art are the autistic porn addicts who believe being obsessed with sex totally fools everyone into thinking they're not virgins and have a real personality.
Also 9 times out of 10 they're some sort of transvestites, because that's the """culture""" and the community.

Most slop looks passable enough for a wank to the average normalnigger.
Do you really genuinely still believe the retarded masses are going to give a shit about whether or not anime pornography was drawn by people? Are you actually aware of what kind of low effort titty slop makes gooners cheer?
Normies don't give a shit, they just consume and cheer anything that can look like if it was a real photograph but with the snapchat anime filter on top.

You know absolutely nothing but shallow memetics and propaganda, you fucking normie.

>>7604547
https://x.com/ura_nasa/status/1932002717557563471

>>7604953
>12 paid members
Yeah, here is your problem, the average porn audience isn't all the normies that wank to it for free, its those that actually spend money on it, and those are the autistic porn addicts. Porn isn't YouTube where everything is freemium and the creator gets money from ads.

Also the masses will consume what the fringe and "passionate" minority thinks of that media because they are the ones actually shaping the opinion, and that is true for all media. Why do you think that big studios cater to some lorefags who discuss how accurate the latest Star Wars are to the cannon written on Wookeypedia? because they are the ones shaping the opinion, they are the ones who will go online and talk about if the movie is worth watching, and they will shape the algorithm to their wants as opposed to some normalfag that just heard about think, looked at the internet for 20 seconds if its worth it, or just had it recommended in their algorithm. Porn while not having reviews and people discussing it still is shaped by the algorithm, and the people who care will disproportionately shape the algorithm compared to people who don't care and just click on the first thing.

>>7605130
>companies pander to actual fans
what an absolutely retarded and obviously untrue comparison
>star wars
let me laugh even harder

Maybe ask chatgpt to generate some jokes next time, you clown

>>7605140
Just because fans say they don't pander to them does not mean they don't pander to them, it just means they want to be pandered to even more. I picked Star Wars as an example of extremely normie thing that is still dictated largely by hardcore fans, you could say the same thing with Marvel or other mass media slop. 1 person who cares overpowers 9 people who don't care in democratic process because that one person convinces the remaining 9 by just the virtue of caring, same thing even in politics. This is also why the main audience of every upcoming kids media or like-kids media are manchildren or womenchildren, because only adults have the capacity of exploring something that isn't given to them by their parents because it was the first thing they saw in the store.

>>7605130
>12 paid members
Are you being a hyperbolic retard?
https://www.patreon.com/YumeYashaX
Please cope and say this isn't a good example so I can waste my time and find 20+

>>7605167
Just searching for them on Graphtreon shows that they are generally underperforming compared to real artists. I'm not saying there is 0 difference, just that the crazy claims of the industry dying were false, at least when it comes to self employed people. Studios are way more likely to replace artists then average customer that cares about the stuff is, and in case of porn artists its the same. The only AI accounts that got into the top 50 were services that few months after that lost all subscribers, and even looking up random Patron posts on r34 will show you that there are far more 12-5 paid members accounts making AI then real artists.

>>7605178
Those real artists have been around longer. It's not dying and there'll always be real artists but it's definitely changing for the worst and people are 100% paying for AI slop no matter what people like to claim and deny.

>there are far more 12-5 paid members accounts making AI then real artists.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's more AI accounts in general than real artists now anyway. But there's also plenty of real artists with hardly any paid members too. I don't know if I'd trust the accuracy of graphtreon anyway.
But even if what you say is true regarding that, the best thing about AI is they could easily start up a new account, brand, different style, the next day and try to get popular again while a real artist wouldn't be able to.

Also we've only been talking about patreon, but AI is making a killing on Japanese services like DLsite and Fanza too, seeing even them cuck out to it made me realise that people want and deserve slop at the end of the day no matter how we and other's love to cope saying people want real and passionate art, that's really a minority.

>>7605192
Just scrolling through Graphtreon also showed many new upcoming real artists. Even if you sort by growth you will hardly see AI accounts. And while you are correct that it is easier to start from nothing as AI account, you are competing against other AI accounts for the most part. Its almost a separate category because you can still somehow tell in lot of instances that aren't photography or something abstract. Because if it was not then you would see a lot of legacy AI accounts from mid 2022 be near the top among other artists that got 80% of their members from around that time.
>I don't trust Graphtreon numbers
I don't see why not, they are directly linked to Patreon and Patreon tells you how many people have subscribed and if you enable it it shows you how much you get paid for it. Then they just write down the numbers for each day and turn it into some graph, and the money estimates are again written as estimates for accounts that don't want to share their earnings.

>>7605259
thats not how third party sites pull
i could sub, take what i want, unsub, block the payment and it still would count as earnings

Only way to check what anyone on patreon earns is the direct payouts from patreon to their accounts

>>7605259
>I don't see why not
Simply because it's nearly all just guess estimations since nearly everyone has their earnings filtered. According to it this guy is out earning CSR with less paid members. I mean it could very well be the case who knows
https://graphtreon.com/creator/MiyuAi
https://graphtreon.com/creator/cutesexyrobutts

>>7605285
The guy above has a 25 dollar sub and the lowest is 5 bucks, csr lowest is 1 dollar, while his highest is 15. He’s definitely earning more than csr

>>7605192
>made me realise that people want and deserve slop at the end of the day no matter how we and other's love to cope saying people want real and passionate art, that's really a minority.
Pretty much what everyone still fights to accept. It isn't even about the slop, it's a criticism of the consumer, because if the normie didn't eat the slop, the slop could not find an audience.

>inb4 b-b-b-but muh techbros would sub to each other and make it look like xyz
ok? Does the snake eating itself get any longer?
"Artists" nowadays are so obsessed with aesthetics and living in their own world of cope it's unreal

>>7605285
Oh, so all the AI accounts are classified as adult photography instead of adult drawings, that changes things

>>7605285
Again, its the estimate part, and the range is over and under that
>>7605451
>>7605339
Ok, but adult drawings has still been largely stable over the years since 2022 and adult photography has not increased relatively to adult drawings in the same span of time. Yes, there has been stagnation since around 2022 but that was experienced by the whole Patreon, and in 2022 the only AI there was was text and images. You clearly don't see a pattern that correlates AI research with earnings, rather you see economy going to shit in the post-pandemic shock and not recovering, leaving people with less disposable income. Sure there is slightly more competition nowdays, but that does not make it impossible to make it, and I still think there is far greater chance of succeeding as independent artist relative to the past compared to becoming part of the industry.

>>7604547
Most people who pay for nsfw art only care for the endresult and either don't care about if it is AI at al or never care enough to find out or would never be able to tell.
There are tons of AI accounts with tons of followers and make good money with thousands of paying patreon members. How do you explain that? Let me guess they are all part of your weird list?

>>7605178
Yeah they are underperforming in comparison, but most of them started in the last 1-2 years and don't have to spent nearly as many hours and actual artists.

>>7605471
If that was true then why do nsfw artists overperform relatively to normal artists. Regular drawing in graphtreon has gone down while NSFW stays the same, and I doubt proportional amount was stolen by AI accounts.
>>7605471
I guess you could say they are prompting well. Prompting isnt entirely devoid of talent, its just much easier to automate even back when it was first introduced. Just ask trained LLM for a prompt and it will give you one, but to this day there are probably lot of instances of human prompts being better. I think the backlash against prompt trannies was caused mostly because everyone knew that prompt trannies would not outlast real artists, which is largely true for lot of the industry, and has not yet been proven for self employed artists. Both prompt trannies and real artists are still standing strong as long as they are self employed.

>>7604953
The other anon is partly right. >>7605130
Normies don't pay NSFW artists, weirdos do.
He's wrong in that the weirdos shape what the mass-market slops is. That marketing model has been dead for like 10 years. The big corpos pivoted away from their old nerdy core audiences. It's now all about piggybacking off of the audiences attached to other things (other media, bigger causes, etc). But that's a different topic. NSFW art is a niche marker so "the retarded masses" don't matter.

>>7605178
>Studios are way more likely to replace [their employed] artists [than] average [art enthusiast] is, and in case of porn artists its the same
This is true. (Corrections added for clarity.)

>>7605192
People paying for AI slop doesn't mean people aren't paying non-AI artists. In most cases these are not the same demographics, it's just the slopfarmers tapping into a new market that previously spent zero dollars on art.

>people want real and passionate art, that's really a minority
No shit? Always has been.
Do you know how much of a ballache it is to jump thru the social and technological hoops to pay for a commission? That's ON TOP OF the cost in actual money. Commissioners are very passionate people.

>>7605339
Simple answer:
STOP
GIVING
A FUCK
ABOUT
WHAT
NORMIES
LIKE

>>7605469
Correct.

>>7605471
>Most people who pay for nsfw art only care for the endresult
The retards who pay for AI art only when the images-per-dollar is high enough are not the same people who pay for commissions.

/ic/ once again proving they are one of the worst boards

>>7605580
>stop caring what normies like
>majority of pornfags pander to them
>but the minority is actually who spends money
>le niche
What are we even talking about here?
Porn is peak normie "culture", everyone likes porn, there is no such thing as a "niche", only fetishes and it don't magically make it """subculture""" or some shit because you say so when anyone that gets hard by any specific thing can automatically consider themselves part of that "community".
It's like anime. Or videogames.
Porn is even lower than those two.

Possibly unrelated to the thread, but my first big goal for the next few years is to make 500 to 1k USD as a social media artist drawing NSFW stuff with sfw and personal projects on the side, how do I start if I have skills in the high beg/low int range according to the people from here and I'm willing to draw at least for 6 hours per day as the average?
Pic related is a doodle I did today as proof

>>7605613
If you ever see "the majority" doing something in business, do not follow them. It means every other fucking lemming is also doing so, which means you're either going to be competing with everyone else in a race to the bottom or you're actually getting caught up just before something crashes and you're left holding the bag.
>everyone likes porn
No they do not. And of those who do, NSFW art is often weird to them.

The rest of your post is a massive cope by someone who has such a lack of understanding of the topic that I'm surprised you felt the need to say anything at all. You're allowed to not like NSFW art, you know. You're not forced to draw it, in fact you shouldn't do any art you aren't interested in or passionate about.

>>7605652
That guy only cares about still life paintings of plants and fruit, the fag was like this in another thread.

>>7605652
>No they do not. And of those who do, NSFW art is often weird to them.
I am on a subject neutral Discord art server with 130 members, out of them at least 10 people have 20 000 followers each one, the guy number one has 200 000 followers there. Wanna guess how many people with 20 000+ followers there draw SFW you mouth breathing animal?

>>7605652
>no, not everyone likes sexual stimulation because uuuuh fuck you puritan cope cope cringe you just dont like it fuck you aaaaaaaaaaaaah
Nigger are you actually underage?
You're really the prime example of how fucking autistically retarded """porn enjoyers"""" are.
Kill yourself my man.

Like, isn't it strange how every single time there is a slight criticism directed in the general direction of pornography, people get accused of not liking it or being a puritan?

Seems kinda forced to me ngl

>>7605613
Imagine porn is like movies or videogames, rather videogames because they are more balanced. Pornhub and just searching for it on the internet is the blockbusters or AAA, meanwhile the self employed artists are the indies. Sure there are lot of normalcore indie games that border being AAA, just like there are lot of artists that draw the most safe normalshit stuff. But the people who like Indie games are allergic to slop for the most part, or at least they think they are.

>ah, you say not good thing about porn?! puritan!
>ah, you actually do not dislike porn?! then why you say not good thing?
>ah, you akshually like porn?! you must be coping with your problem!
>why are you not praising epic porn?!?!? fucking pol puritan albino jew! STOP TRYING TO STOP ME FROM DRAWING PORN AAAAAAH!
We were pointing out and criticism the average pornographic consumption and tastes of the general masses that leads to slop being consumed and sold and these clearly ""adult"" pornosseurs can't stop sperging out.

Honestly, the fact that you can't be sane and reasonable about porn is evidence your ass should have never have had access to it.

>>7605725
I'm gonna blow your mind. Most people don't consume art actively. The only art normies actively consume are movies and videogames, and maybe some 20+ year old books. Looking at pictures is for most kind of a pointless activity because its not really stimulating enough to be worth their limited free time. Most pictures unless analyzed very closely don't tell a story, they don't give you enough to talk to share it with friends. But there are two kinds of picture media that do serve a purpose outside of just looking pretty, and that is porn and memes, so inevitably porn and memes become the main thing for them.

Basically cartoon porn is more niche then most porn, but still not as niche as sfw drawings.
>200 000 followers
Yeah and there are over 4 billion people with internet. Casual youtuber talking about nonsense on stream or playing videogames while screaming like a faggot on camera has bigger numbers then that.

Instead of blowing our minds with false and shallow information, why don't you blow your brains out?

>>7605740
>Reasonable
Sir, you are on 4chan, the contrarian version of reddit. Here everyone is an NPC who tries to get as many other people mad, the same way that redditors try to agree with eachother to form a groupthink. Just like how you get upvotes and visibility for agreeing with people, here on this basket weaving forum you get attention by being wrong and being replied to a lot.

>>7605762
>everyone is an NPC who tries to get others mad
>you get attention by being wrong and being replied to a lot
Man no wonder they love porn so much

>>7605759
Just blow a load like the average gooner

Zoomers thinking everyone who replies to them is mad, is honestly the most miserable delusional looney shit i've ever seen.

>>7605731
A lot of these niggers and porn artists here on /ic/ (mostly in /sex) belong to an /aco/ server. The shithole is run by troons, cucks, nigger fetishists, and retards that got banned off the site a while back after a janny got hit with a crypto scam.

>>7601172 (OP)
>nearly all the nsfw artist end up with successful sfw projects
Imagine in your head how many nsfw artist there are and have been. Imagine each one as a spinning apple to your left.
Next imagine in your head how many successful sfw there are, regardless who created it. Imagine each one as a spinning apple do your right.
Which side has more spinning apples?

>>7605726
There is in fact an uncomfortably-sized segment of the population who is very much anti-porn. Some just as a personal taste, but a chunk who actively screech about it and wish it gone. Thankfully they are a minority, but significant since it crosses through many different worldviews across the whole spectrum of belief. Some countries also have pornography banned outright.

And while I would say most people do enjoy porn, that does not extend to artwork.

>>7605734
That's fair analogy.

>>7605740
Once again, I don't care if the masses consume slop.
You should not care if the masses consume slop.
The masses are never going to be your market, you do not have the resources to compete with the giant corporations, you do not have the speed and flexibility to RAPIDLY adapt to (and shape) public opinion in that way because it moves so fucking fast. You do not have the economy of scale to be a good value compared to all the other shit out there at the bottom of the barrel.

Do you understand? Stop caring about people who were never going to pay you in the first place.

>>7605752
Also good take.

>>7605805
/aco/ more like ACHOO from how moldy a lot of the art there is to me. I don't hang out in such places. The last time I joined a group off of 4chan was over a decade ago, on skype, and it ended up being fucking awful.

>>7601583
>144+ replies
just say you don't care

>>7605805
By the amount of absolute reality denial and forced contrarianism, this seems like the only accurate take in this thread.
It's not exactly arcane knowledge that society as a whole is going through a pornification of everything and people are so miserable that the only thing they seek is to jerk off and wanting others to jerk off so they can feel at ease in the cum bucket they drag others into.
Even normies who aren't chronically online have noticed this shit.

You just can't criticize porn out in the open because you will just attract the attention of those creatures who genuinely deserve to get shot on sight.
And what do we know about a thing or a people that cannot be criticized, least the critics are accused of being anti-xyz?

They will say things like
>just stop caring bro
>just close your eyes bro
>how does the absolute state of society affect you bro
>you dont want to be a puritan bro join my discord pls
I honestly don't blame anyone to get actually radicalized against porn when anytime they dare pose questions they get met by absolute botshills like that

At this point i genuinely do hope porn get somehow banned off every social platform to appease advertisers just because it will be funny seeing gooners, kiddies, troons, fujos, furries squirm into oblivion

Also imagine if discord required to use your ID
lmao
No more grooming and crypto scams
lol

>>7606310
Why is it that any time someone brings up that they like to make nsfw art you get all these freaks who obsess about what other people like to do in their own spaces coming out of the woodwork?

They will say things like
>I care about society!! nevermind that I'm holed up in my room all day, that's because society is sick and porn is the problem!!
>Porn addict porn addict porn addict!! *stuffs zyn into mouth before ordering doordash mcdonalds*
>This is why trannies are everywhere!! No I am not going to acknowledge how many trannies and commies hate porn too and call everyone who so much as likes a normal attractive woman "pornsick"
>Get off of social media, I don't care if I can block you and turn off sensitive content, I shouldn't have to! Just go to your own site bro, nobody wants to see that!
>Why does a site like THAT exist? It makes money? You shouldn't be able to make money off that
>Actually I genuinely hope porn is banned everywhere! Freedom of expression? I don't care. It's not like the trannies could ever get into power and start using whatever justification I did to crack down on my ability to call them trannies!

At this point I genuinely do hope these retards are seen for the maladjusted "billions must die" nihilistic counterparts to feminists that they are, just that instead of everything being some patriarchy boogeyman it's all about porn.

>>7606687
>Why is it that any time someone brings up that they like to make nsfw art you get all these freaks who obsess about what other people like to do in their own spaces coming out of the woodwork?
Literally never happens.
It usually goes like this
>people talk not positively about porn
>victim complex porntranny starts seeing politics boogeymen everywhere and starts sperging out about people specifically hating him and the whole concept of drawing sex for no reason or reasons like some shitty memes
Ok, you like epic sex? good for you
You want some 4chan gold, fellow epic sex lover?

You've never been around real people, only twitter accounts trying to farm engagement.
Being obsessed with porn don't make you special, faggot.

>>7606706
This probably depends on where you go online. You are more likely to see the extremes of shit you dislike if you're on social media too much, because algorithms do it for engagement.
There are tons of people who will screech at NSFW artists and have a crusade against porn. A lot of them are TERFs, and a lot of them are britbongs. Sometimes both. There's some anti-porn lobby in the UK that's actually a thinly-veiled cover for widespread rampant internet censorship.

>only twitter accounts trying to farm engagement.
I don't even have a twitter. The people who draw slop - bot SFW and NSFW - because they think it will farm them "engagement" have almost always done 0 research into why people pay artists, nor how the algorithms work.

>Being obsessed with porn don't make you special
You really care too much about what normies think, don't you? You're gonna have a hard time in the future with the way cultural balkanization is going. I hope you find something you're actually passionate about for reasons unrelated to how other people see you.

Porn is so boring and anyone defending porn and porn artists extensively comes off like they're gay

>>7601172 (OP)
Why the fuck is the series itself shadowbanned though? None of the episodes show up if you search for them, but his channel and the rest of his videos do.
I don't get it, shouldn't it be all or nothing if the intention is to not show his shit?

>>7606310
>Also imagine if discord required to use your ID
It would Die. I mean if 4chan Also required it's users to give their ID's that would solve a lot of problems but I imagine it would lose the site a lot of it's users, including you. Not contesting your anti porn stance, just baffled why you want to go scorched earth when in reality you just need to wait for a few years till AI solves the problem of moderation of porn

>>7607248
>TERFs
Literally nobody, but chronic masturbators like you use that term, lmao

Get off the internet, get a real life hobby

You know anon i was actually thinking about it for a while, if i have to create a series/movie like i want full of bullshit japanese animation tricks from the 80s with static frames, no jaw movement and repeated cycles, i would retain far more dignity if i make a comic and then dub it, at least i have to put effort in doing detailed scenes. And this not to shit on japanese artists, they are masters like everyone else was in the west, but they too need to compress their work load.

Top bad, the public prefers the sloppa as long it moves.

>>7608604
AI will kill all other artwork before it finally kills porn.

>>7608653
>Top bad, the public prefers the sloppa as long it moves.
you can't even do sloppa tho fren
its ok to cope but don't act like you would if you wanted to
you couldn't ,even if you wanted to
you're lying only to yourself

>>7609452
yeah ok gay dog, keep drinking faggot

>>7608653
>Top bad, the public prefers the sloppa as long it moves.
Didn't story time animators become huge doing this? And their 'slides' were infinitely simpler than what you're describing for your art, and they still became massive, so this can totally work and do well.
Just ensure you have some panels that give more of an illusion of movement, add some sections where there is some actual movement (though make it simple if you can, even just simple tweens) and done. The bigger issue would be finding a good voice actor - assuming your comic is actually good, that is.

Here's an example I saw recently that I didn't mind:
https://x.com/JoelyMoleyy/status/1932614389875814615
He's drawings are simple here, but assume they were more complex. He has several 'panels' that are similar enough to give the illusion of movement (one panel mouth is open, another is closed), a section with very simple animation (the piss stream), and good voice acting...
Kinda lacked a solid punch line though - probably could have just ended with the teacher bit.

>>7601172 (OP)
Rather remain purely sfw and never grow than make stupid fucking cringe animations for teens at reddit to clap their little hands and feet to them.

>>7609940
so nothing has changed?

>>7601212
Tumblr is dead but its cancer lives on.
Mostly on Twitter/Bluesky

>>7601292
i despise the assembly line coom artist that just pumps out drawing of basically the same body/pose every time just with whatever character is currently trending's head pasted on.

>>7601189
trvth nova

>>7601212
all of you know exactly what he means when he shits on 'deformed tumblr characters' so i do not believe he needs to "update his material"

If you hate this faggot that much just make a post on Twitter complaining that Speedoru animated porn of characters who are canonically underage and watch the sparks fly.

>>7608641
>self-described feminists obsessed with calling everything rape and letting both rape and men live in their heads rent-free 24/7
These fucks quite literally call hetero BDSM, even FEMDOM as "promoting rape culture." And they're almost always british lesbians, for some reason.

I partly blame the fact that they're so neurotic on how britain is horribly anti-self defense but also has an impotent, corrupt police force. And partly their own propaganda pushing to make the boot crush the limeys harder.