Why do successful non-japanese patreon artists stagnate/regress so badly? Are they just in it for the paycheck?

>>7601498 (OP)
>Are they just in it for the paycheck?
yes, he literally said he doesn't care about improving anymore and rather post meme art post. he make half a million a year because of that, japs are autistic and can't market for shit.

Why would he bother going all out with his usual rendering when there’s a model for his works now? I don’t blame him.

>>7601498 (OP)
The joke is sex XD
Eevee in the background?! Vaporeon?! sex joke?! XD

>>7601504
I know nobody will believe this but my dad died when I was 19, it was really awful and fucked me up because I was the one who found him. He made a normal amount of money but I found out weeks after that he had a life insurance policy and I recieved $300k. I didn't know what to do with it so my mom introduced me to some investor guy who handled all of it. That was 15 years ago. Soon after I bought a really, really nice bmw, a bunch of cool shit. I quickly found out how meaningless it was. I still have the money and it had been growing. But I never use it. It boggles my mind how all my peers are chasing fortune every day thinking it will make them happy when they can buy expensive things. I wonder what will happen to people like Khyleri when they reach old age and realize they wasted their youth over meaningless money.

>>7601512
>The joke is sex XD
yes, you pointing it out doesn't do anything except make him a multi millionaire.

>>7601514
give me the money then if you don't want it. Or else shut the fuck up.

>>7601514
>they reach old age and realize they wasted their youth over meaningless money.
it's called generational wealth for a reason, make it where you children and grand children will have a decent/good life.

>>7601517
I have already decided to do something great with it when I am old. After all, I am a nobody artist, it's what i love and I know I will never be able to retire doing this. I will continue to save it until I am older and keep some to live off and the rest probably give to my local children's hospital. They are criminally underfunded. No offense but if I gave it to some average person like you then you'd probably just buy stupid shit like I did when I was 19.

>>7601514
My parents died recently and I didn't give a single fuck about them. It always baffles me how people like you think everyone else has the same priorities and feelings as you do "deep down". Fuck off, you little bitch.

>>7601523
What are you sperging about? I'm talking about how money doesn't buy happiness. I forgive your naivety if you are poor though. I used to think money would fix everything when I was poor too.

>>7601523
so le edgy

>>7601528
mental illness, that's about it, anon. You're on a basket weaving site, it should be expected seeing schizos like that anon.

>>7601509
If he makes half million why can't he just quit? retire?

>>7601553
why else a ceo that makes millions a year don't retire? It's simple because they like making fucking money, that's a retarded fucking question.

>>7601528
it does buy happiness, you're the naive one for thinking you understand the extent of what money can do

>>7601553
Why would he when he can make that much with little time/effort.

You won't realize you're not meant to be a professional artist until you actually become one. What is he supposed to do. Close the Patreon? His fans can unsubscribe whenever they want.

>>7601514
How do you know he's wasting his youth? Would he be less wasting his youth if he was flipping burgers at McDonald's?

>>7601498 (OP)
why keep working on your craft when it's good enough to let you do what you really want(drawing meme pics in that case)?

>>7601528
Yes it does. People need to stop saying that shit.
Obviously you can't revive love ones or heal a deadly ilness or injury etc.
But for 99% of people a large amount of money will buy happniess/fix thier problems.
Just not having to worry about bills or suddenly having 8-10 hours more a day and not being a wage slave anymore will be more than enough for most people.

>>7601576
>You won't realize you're not meant to be a professional artist until you actually become one.
anon, that's most of the fags here that would say stupid shit like "muh dignity" or "muh morals", these dumbasses never had a chance in the first place.

>>7601553
mansions cost money

>>7601557
>>7601575
What do they spend their money on? They don't own a business or anything.
if he lives comfortably he doesn't need all that money.

>>7601498 (OP)
>"Hehe, what if someone else's characters were grosser/edgier."
This guys schtick is so tiring.
I heard someone once ask that if AI is slop for taking other people's art to make their images, is art using other people's characters/properties, such as in OP's image, any better? I think no, honestly.

His work hinges entirely on the affection have for the characters he's parodying - Is it really that creative?
I'm not blasting fan art, mind you, just making fan art essentially you're entire career.

>>7601596
Give me pictures of his mansion.

none of these artists have a mansion. ffs

>>7601598
He's filipino isn't he? Probably supporting his whole extended family.

>>7601603
>none of these artists have a mansion

Yet. That's why he keeps collecting + why would any porn artist dox themselves.

>>7601599
Should people never make art featuring Achilles, Robin Hood or Zorro?

>>7601599
>>7601606

>>7601553
>retiring with half million
lol

>>7601603
most people don't, you know how fucking expensive mansions are? Even extremely wealthy musicans,rappers,etc have to constantly file for bankruptcy because how expensive that shit is.

>>7601611

>>7601590
This is true, with a caveat. If you've been poor or working class your entire life, and then become very wealthy, you will be relieved of so many anxieties. Will I make rent this month? Can I afford to see a doctor about this medical issue? Is there enough money in my account to cover a credit card payment?

If, on the other hand, you are born into great wealth, you will never know any of these anxieties in the first place. In fact, "money" as a concern will effectively not exist to you. The only question is, "Do I want this?" not "Can I afford it?" If you want it, you will have it.

Happiness is a matter of expectations. This is why you can find very poor people who are very happy in life, provided they have the essentials and a feeling of self-worth and satisfaction that comes with having a place in the social order, even if that place is scrubbing floors; and why you can find super-rich people who are mean, miserable, addicted to drugs, etc. These rich people don't have to worry about money, but that only means they have other expectations as to what life owes them, and other opportunities to feel let down, insecure and unhappy.

>>7601603
Houses are not fixed costs. A normal house is just far less in cost yearly (mortgage + tax + maintenance) than a fucking apartment is.

But you can easily pay way more yearly, past a certain size and valuation.

>>7601606
>I'm not blasting fan art, mind you
Read
>>7601611
Different time, as the only people paying to make art were the church and wealthy patrons who wanted their portrait painted. Why do you think art historians rave on about paintings that eventually depict normal people doing mundane things?

So my critique is more pointedly modern than at ye olde people.

>>7601617
And if this is that same anon, I'm beginning to think you're completely autistic. Is Lupin III the same character as Arsene Lupin? Inspired by and referenced, sure, but it's its own thing.

And all of these examples are still more creative than "What if X character fucked horses?"

>>7601623
>Why do you think art historians rave on about paintings that eventually depict normal people doing mundane things?
Because most of people have written down in 99.99% of history isn't about normal people doing normal things. You only see glimpses of that once mass-literacy in the 19th and 20th centuries started up and it really only exploded with shit like the polaroid and disposible cameras allowing raw documentation by normal people. And then of course the internet and associated digital tech.

It's not about the subject matter of the art being inherently more interesting or valid, it's quite literally because if you were painting something back then it cost a fuck ton of time and money, not to mention how insane something like that getting preserved for hundreds of years would be. Only rich people and the church usually would do such a thing intentionally.

>Is Lupin III the same character as Arsene Lupin?
It's fanfiction. Literally one of the most famous Fanficion concepts that exist which isn't something old as fuck like Dante's trilogy. There was a whole shitshow of the IP owners of Aesene Lupin getting assblasted at Monkey Punch but being unable to do anything about it at the time.

>And all of these examples are still more creative than "What if X character fucked horses?"
This is an impasse because I suspect you have a much more limited definition of what creativity is, and suggesting that it can even be measured leads to a useless conversation. As doing so would be mostly a discussion of the definition of creativity AND THEN if one can be agreed upon, arguing over a rubric to measure it by.

>>7601523
You sound like a fag.
>Wowie zowie look at me hating muh dead parents, I'm so fucking cool and jaded

Ah, the bi-weekly jealousy seethe thread.
Wtf does this have to do with drawing, exactly? The guy's drawing's are fine, so it can't be that. Is it the subject matter? He's just drawing popular anime characters. Is your problem here that they're just not floating in a void with no joke?

>>7601512
A lot of humor is sex. You don't have to be mad just because you don't think it's very funny anymore.

>>7601915
>if you don't like the same unfunny "joke" over and over again you are jealous
Okay. bi-weekly twitter fag defense force

>>7601949
>bi-weekly twitter fag defense force
Nobody's making threads to defend some random anime fanart guy. I don't particularly want to see random anime fanart guy. Why do you keep making threads to talk about random anime fanart guy?

>>7601915
>Is your problem here that they're just not floating in a void with no joke?
I wonder if there's actually something to it - they're jealous because that guy can come up with an idea and fully execute it a few times a week while the most they can do is to draw an anime girl doing nothing in the void.

>>7601532
>>7601662
>wowie zowie you should always be le heckin grateful to whoever gave birth to you no matter the circumstance
Kill yourself normgroids

Voidless art is fine. Voidless art from secondaries who don’t consume X content that have a directionless gallery and unclear focus, unclear fandom is not and I question why do people like this draw.

>>7602532
Am i jealous of the money? Yes. But it's not hard to come up with ideas when your fanbase eats up the same "dude drugs" "dude sex" "dude small penis" jokes over and over again.
It's like calling vtubers or onlyfans models smart because they have a bunch of simps.

>>7602547
>directionless gallery and unclear focus, unclear fandom
Tying yourself to a "fandom" is a great way to say that you're a soulless urban-tribal bugman who bases his personality off of the content he consumes, and is signalling how loyal he is to the tribe through his art.

Most fanart is made by people who don't actually consume the thing, they just like the designs.

>Most fanart is made by non-fans
Overwhelmingly homosexual if true

>>7602622

You’re trying to justify your secondaryism. You’re not worth my bandwidth, especially when you thrown around generalizations like “most people” when I clearly pointed your kind out who are outside fandoms. You can’t even outline why you “like a design”—you’re not a fan, you don’t get it, and you probably don’t even draw the characters with clothes on to begin with. You’re just like those sex offenders in that one general.

>>7602637
It is somewhat true. That's why you often see fanart explode for anime adaptations while they are airing, but barely any before or after it.
Same with games, vtubers etc.
It's all just trend hopping fomo.

>>7601522
>I know I will never be able to retire doing this
This is in fact the reason most people chase "fortune", buddy

>>7602757

that’s just your narrow perception. your internet view is different from everyone in this thread.

>>7602767

And proving my point exactly you follow trend hoppers so you think everyone is trend hopping so that makes you think trend hopping is a staple and the fence on the other side does not exist.

>>7602767
>>7602770
Proof?

>>7602793
What are you asking, retard? Proof of what, that you’re stupid?

>>7602757
I still see a fuck ton of fanart for shows like Demon Slayer and Cardcaptor Sakura constantly

>>7602834
That's why i said often. Yes big shounen will get more fanart same with older anime, but most anime, especially seasonal stuff will only get artwork the moment it's airing, unless it gets as big as Frieren.
Same shit will happen with Sono Bisque Doll and Dandadan again.
Everyone acted like they are the greatest thing ever and then not a single word about them the moment they stop airing.

>>7602840
There’s no source to your bias. You don’t partake in any forum that discuss Dress Up Darling. Your whole illusion is terminally through what hashtag is trending on Twitter which is also tailored for you and you specifically. A fan of Dress Up Darling will discuss, share pictures, thoughts etc in appropriate places because they actively seek it out, you don’t.

We also shouldn’t be putting the same level of enthusiasm for something like Dress Up Darling to long standing IPs or older titles. Passive ignorance.

>>7602637
It is true. Artists don't got time to play every fucking game, watch every movie and show, read every comic, book, manga, and web series. A good design communicates a lot without needing to even see the thing it's from, but it often will provoke interest for some to see it.

>>7602746
>you’re not a fan
Many people do not want to be. They are not interested in being part of fandoms, it would be a lot of additional baggage without any real benefits. We just do whatever we please, and if people like the art they're welcome to enjoy it.

You can just do things, you don't need approval from other people. You can buy a birthday cake for yourself even though it's not your birthday.

>>7602757
>>7602834
>>7602840
It's moreso the opposite. The people who don't actually consume the thing aren't bound to release schedules and will keep drawing things they like the look of long past its air date. They will even keep drawing a character who dies in a series because they don't know the character is dead in the story kek

Picrel, how many of the people doing Lain memes and fanart have actually watched Serial Experiments Lain? Probably less than you think, the vibes are just communicated so well that many can immediately grasp it, and people who HAVE watched it can also point out a lot of the themes in summaries that assist with this understanding.

I'm not saying you shouldn't engage with shit that has designs which interest you, to be clear. Just that a most people plain will not for a ton of stuff, so it's not something to find surprising when you encounter it.

>>7601598
>What do they spend their money on?
Housing, food, health, transportation, travel, hobbies, pets, children, spouse, parents, retirement, inheritance, taxes, drugs, alcohol, entertainment, charity, clothes, education, etc.
Or maybe he puts the money in a metal drum and sets it on fire. :eyeroll:

Do you live in a communist utopia where you've never seen money, or are you just some kind of parasite?

>>7602929
From what i've seen most people who do lain art these days are just tiktok zoomers who know nothing about the anime not even any character. Same with azumanga daioh and other tiktok #animecore #retrocore #kawaiicore trends.

>>7601514
I love the cope that successful artists are wasting their time, like they're drawing 10 hours a day every day when in reality it's like a couple of hours at most if even that. Less time than a part time job even, you have so much free time. Now if you choose not to do anything with that free time like me then yeah I guess it's a waste.
When I used to be at work I'd always be thinking man if I had these 8 hours free I could do a whole piece every day and still have time to work out, walk the dogs, go do other stuff, etc. Now that it's a reality I draw for like 4 hours then I browse twitter and 4chan and play videogames for 10 hours. I don't know why I wrote this out.

>>7602929
>A good design communicates a lot without needing to even see the thing it's from

This is /ic/ we're talking about. You keep mummering about "design" but nearly everyone I have seen over the years who says this doesn't include anything about the character design to even forgetting to include things until it's pointed out and draws them without their apparel (nude) getting fucked or otherwise. At that point you don't like the character design, you like to be a troll to the fandom by stripping the character naked and forcing your sexual frustration onto whatever caught your eye as you scroll on your timeline.

So is it the design of the character's hair you like for, let's say, Lain? There are tons of anime girls with Lain's hair style. We can't know for sure if people who draw lain memes have watched Lain although I'd scratch my head and wonder why would anyone draw lain memes and never seen the show? How would your lain memes be relatable? You're doing mental acrobatics here.

>it would be a lot of additional baggage without any real benefits

It's baggage to do basic research? So how are you going to get the character's personality right and imbue that into the work?

> you don't need approval from other people

Likewise, don't expect actual fans to care about your trash.

>>7603138
>You keep mummering about "design"
Body language, hairstyle, expressivity, facial features, clothing, specific color palette, etc etc.
These are all elements of the character design, and yes you can have characters naked because - shock and horror - people like said characters and can be aroused by them.

Imaginary constructs are just objects. Much like how you can draw Minas Tirth if it was built and run by Smurfs, you can depict any character that you resonate with in any way you like.
>you like to be a troll to the fandom
Sometimes, sure. But most of the time I, and probably many, don't even give a fuck about what subcultures exist related to a thing (And there is never a single "fandom" for any of these lol there's always multiple.)

>why would anyone draw lain memes and never seen the show? How would your lain memes be relatable?
Because if the character and vibes are well-done then it can resonate with loads of people which inspires them to make art. This isn't bland Toucan Henry shit we're talking about.

>It's baggage to do basic research?
No, "participating in a fandom" is not basic research, it means conforming to a certain internet subculture that's formed from people who liked a thing enough to put time and effort into making it a strong part of their identity and/or personality. You don't need to give a fuck about anything of that whether you've consumed the media or not. You do not need to submit to the vague authority of such people.

>don't expect actual fans to care about your trash
Correct, there are people who will intentionally do stuff like make fanart of specific characters but then not tag them or list the character or series name because they do not want to attract fandom attention, they just want to make cool shit and put it on the internet.

>>7603203
>they just want to make cool shit and put it on the internet.

"Cool shit" how do you know what's "cool" about a character you don't like and only pick apart superficial things because you're creatively bankrupt. What a joke.
>it means conforming to a certain internet subculture that's formed from people who liked a thing enough to put time and effort into making it a strong part of their identity and/or personality

Brotuber talking points. How dare I identify with something that keeps me all fired up and happy. I should be like you and be all carefree cuz I wanna draw cool shit (whatever that means). Oh I suppose you defined it here...
>Body language, expressivity, facial features,
You do not. Know. The character. You don't know why they're making a certain pose or carry their face a certain way.
>clothing
We've established /ic/fags who believe your doctrine don't draw the clothes of the character
>specific color palette, etc etc.
For what exactly? You're drawing the character with that palette, it doesn't influence >your< design, now does it? Or did you tack that on as extra cause you ran out of shit to say?
>and yes you can have characters naked because
because they're trolls and have no business drawing the character
>- shock and horror - people like said characters
They can't explain what they like about the character. They done no research, they don't engage with the thing, and they certainly are always drawing the character in a void because they don't understand what it is they're drawing but grasping at superficial things like "colors" (your words, not mine). Speaking of colors...anime doesn't really have "colors". That's the role of the illustrator. So you like the illustrator? Why not just say you like X artist for their rendering and role with that? You can't say you like the color combination when you're not even using it in your own design.
>Because if the character..
you can't explain
>vibes
means nothing

>>7601523
I feel bad that your parents were terrible. Sorry bro, hope you meet someone some day

>>7603252
>how do you know what's "cool" about a character you don't like
Many ways someone can like a character. How many anons saw Tomoko Kuroki and went "she is literally me" from just isolated panels, screencaps and fanart?
>How dare I identify with something that keeps me all fired up and happy
You should probably see a therapist about that. Sounds like you're using it as a way to fill a hole in your life. I mean that sincerely - if it wasn't for the fandom stuff you'd have been a prime mark for a cult, gang or or other unsavory group. Or worse... kpop.
>You do not. Know. The character.
You can easily learn this from observation of clips and images lol
>For what exactly?
Colors are part of the design. They convey certain elements sometimes, sometimes they're just put together to have cool effects. Makima's yellow eyes for example are very distinct and create a good contrast with her hair color.


The rest of your post makes me think you're possibly a child, so I will stop responding. Go see a therapist.

>>7603319
https://voca.ro/16nsVxKY1wE6

>>7601514
>I got money as a kid and never had to feel the impact of poverty
Money statistically makes people happier. Just because you got depressed after your dad died and wasted your money on things that couldn't fill that hole he left in your life doesn't mean that other people aren't really happy when they can finally afford the things they want or need.
You also won't know the relief financial stability gives when you've always just had financial stability.
>>7601523
Relatable. Can't stand when people claim "but you have to feel the way I feel, deep down" like no, things that are true for you to your core and whatever you've built your understanding of life and death around aren't universal.
Some people that make it to old age might wish they'd had more time to spend with their loved ones instead of working but I haven't heard of anyone wishing they'd had less money. Surely they exist but idk any. My friend's grandparents are using their life funds to go on trips wherever they want and they seem to be having a grand time doing that. Old age doesn't mean instant death.

>>7601658
>It's not about the subject matter of the art being inherently more interesting or valid
You're right about it being important as historical documents that allows us to glimpse into how the peasant were actually living - there was very little of such work until a certain point, when it became something of an artistic movement to capture the banal. We went from strictly religious work, or important figures and moments, to a broader scope and greater artistic freedom.
But again, my criticism was pointedly modern.

>It's fanfiction. Literally one of the most famous Fanficion...
So the answer was no, they are not the same character. Trying to use the copyright holders as some sort of moral arbiters or proof of creativity was fucking stupid. Should we go to disney for advice as to how copyright laws should be morally written? Of course the IP owners want to get more money from their character, even if they don't really have a moral leg to stand on.

>This is an impasse because I suspect you have a much more limited definition of what creativity is.
Look, I'm sure you'll agree that some things can be 'more creative' than other things - if you can grade work like that; then why can I not say I don't find khyleri's art particularly creative?
How can you argue that using some else's characters and property, to create single or two panel images where the jokes are as deep as "What if X character had sex?" is particularly creative?
More so, how can you defend it being someone's enter business model? He's a fucking leech.
If I had a successful property, I wouldn't be particularly pleased with some asshole making bank on drawing my characters fucking horses - draw your own equine dick obsessed characters!
>"Uh, but you just said with Lupin III..."
And if Someones going to go down that route, stop typing, you're a retarded mouth breather if you think the two situations are similar.
Are you going to say James Pond, the video game character, is a copy of James Bond too?

>>7603665
Cont.
>a discussion of the definition of creativity AND THEN if one can be agreed upon, arguing over a rubric to measure it by.
Yeah. Why did you even start this discussion with me, if you didn't disagree with my belief that Khyleri's work is inherently less creative? But if the wording is what you disagree with, because you don't want to discuss the 'definition of creativity or a measurement of it', then just assume I'm saying I think Khyleri's is shitty and bland instead, if that makes such a difference to you.
Perhaps, instead of comparing Khyleri's work to religious paintings, or beloved creative works that are heavily inspired by others' work, or ordinary fan work - you could explain to me why you actually think why Khyerli's work is good. What about OP's image, and taking Frieren characters and making one a horse fucker, is so great?

>>7601498 (OP)
Because he hit a stylistic dead end. To get better, he will literally have to start over and spend years to build a new style from scratch.
When his current style already makes him at least $500k a year, why the fuck would he want to change it?

>>7603707
I'm sorry to tell you but patreon numbers are a complete lie and overestimation.
Khyle is making AT MOST $140k when you account for taxes and patreon's massive cut.
A plumber can make more by laying plastic pipes in the ground that carries excrement. Fucking faggot

>>7603725
Nta but mind breaking down your numbers a bit? Even if dude has no other sources of income, he has 10k paid members each paying 5.50€ plus any taxes, so in total around 600k. Patreon's cut with their most expensive plan is 12% and another, maybe 5% for other fees. So around 500k left to be taxed by govt, I don't see a world in which we make it even close to 140k but enlighten me :D and have you considered that not everyone lives in the US, some plumber is getting fucked in the ass by living expenses meanwhile patreon money is an insane cheat code. For all we know dude has bought a citizenship to some tax paradise and is paying flat zero. here's the source for patreon's stuff: https://support.patreon.com/hc/en-us/articles/11111747095181-Creator-fees-overview

>>7601623
Art means differently for everyone, if you had taken even a modicum of any fine arts class you’d have eventually been spoonfed a history crash course on every particular art movement that was essentially a confrontation on what art truly is. Even if you never took a single art class I’m almost positive you’ve seen an Andy Warhol piece or something from Picasso or Monet. Every facet of time had live under their own vision of what they believed to be the essence of art and every time that ideal was challenged and changed and warped.
At its core, art has no meaning, only we give it meaning. One could argue that art is fundamentally just another form of communication, or that art is meant to evoke emotion, and yet at the same time artists can live their whole lives showing their work to no one but themselves. We find art in all things, even in things made by no sentient creator, mankind has given meaning to even the most mundane of things, such as the constellations in the sky. Art in itself is an absurdist concept.
What I’m saying is you are not breaking new ground in complaining like this. People will create whatever they want to make regardless of whether you or anyone else is okay with it. There are people who make inflating-knee fetish posts daily on deviantart yet you only find ire in Khyle because he makes a lot of money, so what?

>>7603747
>There are people who make inflating-knee fetish posts daily on deviantart yet you only find ire in Khyle because he makes a lot of money, so what?
Yes. Fan art, and work that is so derivative, are overlooked because they're not making money for the creator, they're just a statement of love for the original work.
Khyle makes his bread and butter off lazy derivative sleazy fan art - his drawing are the Funkopops of the artworld. They are quite literally nothing more than "Hey, you guys know this character, right?"
He's a sellout cashing in on others hard work. His work is Prosaic, it's facile.

And for the second time; what do YOU like about his work? Why is it so worth defending to you? What is it about the Magician girl fucking horses that you like so much that you feel the need to defend it to the hilt?
Stop dancing around the issue by trying to broaden the discussion to being about art as a whole, we're talking about Khyle's shitty art.
How is his work akin to Picasso or Monet in your eyes?
How is his work challenging the concept of art, since you brought that up?
Why is it so creative, that you feel my criticism of it not being very creative is incorrect?
Enlighten me. Perhaps I'm looking at his work all wrong.

I'd do the same if porn-brained, algorithm-driven personality ironic weebs whose humor is just "DUDE SEX LMAO" make me filthy rich

Hate the game not the player.

>>7601498 (OP)
Yes. They must draw regularly. Sooner or later they will run out of ideas and also passion

>>7601557
It's more like at certain point making money isn't about just to live. It's like there are people who'd play a game just to finish, and then there are people who want to 100% it, and then there are people who'd just play it until they'rd bored and move on.

>>7601599
>making fanart his entire career
Who cares lol there are people with entire lives designing shirts that'll get thrown away next season

>>7603732
That fag is just coping, he said the samething last time about people making so much money from patreon.

>>7603801
At least you can still wear those clothes.
These "artworks" are enjoyed for 3 seconds before the twitterbrain scrolls to the next post, and the porn alts are a waste of cum.

>>7603830
>These "artworks" are enjoyed for 3 seconds
Hmm jeez would it be perchance that the 3 second scroller roller is not, mm, the core target of the picture? Maybe people who are willing to pay to get more of content are those that matter. These are active consumers of said product--a concept that other guy cannot seem to grasp.

im gooning

>>7603801
That's hardly a defense of his Work.
Besides, on a base level, we should be agreeing. My argument is I just don't think Khyle's work is creative, or good; you're arguing that Tshirt artists are uncreative and bad as well.
The dude I was discussing with seemed to be making the case that you can't really call anything bad and all work is creative because Duchamp put a Urinal in a Museum that one time.
>>7603838
>These are active consumers of said product--a concept that other guy cannot seem to grasp.
And if you're speaking of me (>>7603771 ) here, you're 100% brain dead retarded. Do I have to be an active gooner, and consumer of his work, in order to be able to voice any criticism towards his stuff? Fuck off with this dogshit logic.
Why do I have to think highly of someone's work because I'm not paying for (despite seeing enough of it)?
His work is slop. Uncreative, take two established beloved characters and shoehorn them into a sex joke, family guy style, slop.

>>7603665
>>7603666
>Why did you even start this discussion with me, if you didn't disagree with my belief that Khyleri's work is inherently less creative?
I did disagree with that. I find some brazilian gambiarra solutions to be more creative than extensively engineered rigorously-designed-by-principle ones at times.
>If I had a successful property, I wouldn't be particularly pleased with
That's a you problem. I don't give a fuck if other people reuse my characters in ways I never would.

>you could explain to me why you actually think why Khyerli's work is good
He's very good with the character expressions, has great framing and composition. There's layers to almost every piece which makes it more engaging as your eyes get drawn around to both the focus and the backgrounds. He typically makes things that are highly relatable, either in a personal sense or it playing off of associations in the cultural zeitgeist (the pit bull ketchup one from a while ago is a more clear example). The use of the anime characters for the humor allows some of the jokes to hit harder because of the familiarity with how they behave, so putting them into out-of-place situations adds some more contrast. Some of his images are also somewhat framed more like "off camera" activities.

Is that enough for you?

>Fan art, and work that is so derivative, are overlooked because they're not making money for the creator, they're just a statement of love for the original work.
The original creator should have 0 legal standing for being able to have fanartists killed.
And yes that is what we currently have. If you infringe on copyright you can be fined. If you refuse the fine you can be arrested. If you refuse the arrest you can be killed. Laws are a proxy for violent force, and the fines are codified (or judge-arbitrated) extortion under threat of being shot at. So any law you support must be treated with such seriousness.

I love khyle,He makes plebbitfags seethe so hard.

>>7603946
>Is that enough for you?
Yeah that's fine. You're allowed to like (what I consider) mass appeal slop anon, I don't care.
I do care when you're trying to equate his art to the greats, or somehow call what he's doing as transgressive, rather than simply fucking addressing what we're talking about. Why all the dancing around the main issue of Khyle himself? Just be more fucking direct next time.
I don't like his art because I find it uncreative, but for a lot of the reasons I find his work uncreative, those are aspects you enjoy - that's fine. That's called "personal taste" anon.
Some people like Funkopops and Family Guy, after all.
Trying to frame things within the greater context of art history or whatever gobbledygook was just a load of unnecessary bullshit.

>The original creator should have 0 legal standing for being able to have fanartists killed.
>And yes that is what we currently have. If you infringe on copyright you can be fined. If you refuse the fine you can be arrested. If you refuse the arrest you can be killed.
... I'm not even going to comment on this radical commie bullshit. Think what you want to think on that.

>>7601514
I just want enough money to live comfortably and be able to afford something nice on occasion. I do understand the sentiment behind materialism not being a substitute for happiness. But money itself can certainly relieve financial struggle, which in turn makes more room for happiness. In a way, you are buying happiness. I'm sorry anon, I know you're well-intentioned.
>unrelated
I do like khyle's usage of color, it's warm and soft but all of his content boils down to
>what if character was pedophile
>what if visual sexo gag w/ anime girls
Shame that he no longer cares about improving but it's not my problem. Hope he still enjoys what he does.
>>7601523
You sound abused.

>>7603899
>seethe seethe seethe and seethe

At the end of the day who is making $35k per month? It's not you, it's him. You should be taking notes, not foaming at the mouth on a Taiwanese chip soldering forum. The OP joke is not completely far off from the character's personalities. It happens to work this time (can't say the same for other shows).

And no that's not what I was getting at regarding "paying" but if I sit here and type some more it's eating into my time so I'll respond to this part later.

>>7603899
>>7604120
>>7604120
>>7603899
just go draw please and enjoy yourselves
i dont like it whwen ppl fight

>>7603977
I dislike mass-appeal slop too and I find that his art isn't really in that category. I do wonder what you actually like though, can you post an image and explain why you like it (similar to how I did).
For what it's worth I am not "a fan" of Khyle, I just can appreciate his work whenever someone shares it in my vicinity.

>Trying to frame things within the greater context of art history
I view artmaking as participating in a greater human current of "art", building off that which came before and being built off that which comes after. So that probably colors my perspctive.
>radical commie bullshit
I am the polar opposite of a commie. After being aware that outlawing something requires backing it up with lethal force, it's not a stretch to see "drawing someone else's cartoon character" as something not worth killing a person over.

>just copy other artist
>but replace characters with shounenslop
>OMG amazing here is my money!

>>7604186

yes

So much coomer cope in this thread. I can't wait for Trump to completely ban porn so you fuckers can finally find real jobs.

>>7604565
He won't ban it. He likes fake tiddies too much and Barron would throw him out of Air Force One if he did.

>>7604565
I'll play devil's advocate, but ironically, coom artists actually are a large art block that actually gets paid for their work (and praised for it), and especially so being independent and self-employed is a big boon. IRL porn should be banned if anything. At least artists actually put in time, work and skills, than some ugly recorded grainy video.

>>7601522
Do something great by shutting the fuck up and giving me the money bitch

>>7601498 (OP)
Flips like Khyleri, Hews and Sydus know how to milk money from social media unlike most japs who are just there for self expression

>>7601514
waybe in the west but in a typical third world shithole like Philippines, money is everything, your identity is defined by how much money you have and they been programmed to think that way since birth.

>>7601514
I used to think that money is meaningless too when I was young and dumb, but now I get it, money buy you almost everything, life is on easy mode, you have free time to do whatever you want and whenever you want.
You don't have to wake up early, you can buy delicious food, you can travel the world, you can fuck the hottest bitches, you can buy expensive toys like luxury cars, you don't have a boss emasculating you, you don't have to be nice to others because you're too afraid of being fired.
Money is meaningless? Nigga life is meaningless and that's fucking great, it's the fucking best.

>>7603135
as someone dirt poor, i hate you, i really do

drawing is fucking exhausting. Its like trying to solve complex math problems all day and wondering why you're always tired. I can't go on man, I'm done. I just lie down and rest sometimes and I'm STILL EXHAUSTED. If I could I would draw ten hours a day

>>7603771
You are talking to a completely different anon, I don’t know who you thought you were replying to but I was not it. All I did was just tell you about your reductive way of thinking. I had assumed you would have been a decent person to do debate with, but I can’t see how it’s possible at the moment when you ask questions from misinterpreting my words. I think you might be under the impression I have an opinion of Khyle’s artwork, of which I have none. It’s not that I was saying you are incorrect for saying Khyle’s work is not creative, but that the very act of criticizing another’s work for defying whatever you perceive to be true artistic endeavor is a wasted effort.
The fact that you are complaining at all is immutable proof that Khyle’s work challenges the concept of art, all it takes is one person to complain.

>>7601498 (OP)
they have found a niche and an audience
the more they do the same one thing the faster they get at it, and so the more money they make for less effort
also if they risk changing their style or try improving by going out of their comfort zone by approaching more subjects they may lose their audience, who are usually there for one thing only

>>7601512
Your sad sarcasm attempt is so cringe

>>7604565
It would be a win for artists because nsfw drawings aren't porn.

>>7601514
money isn't there for you to lavish upon
it's there in case your health gets fucked

>>7601514
What a bunch of barnacle

>>7604565
People that are envious of others' success are cringe af.
I genuinely pity you.

>>7607583
>so cringe
Reddit

>>7607510
(1/2)
>You are talking to a completely different anon, I don’t know who you thought you were replying to but I was not it.
If you're not going to say 'nta', then don't act surprised when someone doesn't realise as such. You also seem to have a big problem with being overly condescending within your posts:
>if you had taken even a modicum of any fine arts class
>I don’t know who you thought you were replying to but I was not it
>All I did was just tell you about your reductive way of thinking.
>I had assumed you would have been a decent person to do debate with
If you don't think you're coming across as snide in your posts, you need to read more. So don't crybaby about me "misinterpreting my (your) words", which I don't think I even did - but IF I did, it was because, again, I reasonably assumed you were a previous anon and were coming across as a dick. Also, was this, or was this not a quote from your post?:
>There are people who make inflating-knee fetish posts daily on deviantart yet you only find ire in Khyle because he makes a lot of money, so what?
That may not of been the intended main hook of your post, but I don't think I misinterpreted it, or misunderstood it, now did I?

Also, why did you think you were starting a conversation, only to now reply... three? Four days later? Is this a conversation between snails and turtles?

>>7607745
(2/2)
>The fact that you are complaining at all is immutable proof that Khyle’s work challenges the concept of art, all it takes is one person to complain.
This is some incredible circular logic. Imagine saying that a bad thing justified its existence, because people criticised it, therefore speak about it, thus challenges the concept of all things, thus it's worthy of existing - Play a bad, buggy, and unfun game? It deserves to exist BECAUSE it's bad!
I don't even dislike Khyle's work THAT much, I just think his schtick is tired, and uncreative, but some wine swilling assholes want to turn this into a conversation involving all of art history, duchamp's fountain or fucking monet - are you guys off your rockers?
It's not that deep; I just don't like the horny parody art, and more so because it's derivative and that khyle makes money from that - it's seems somewhat immoral to me. He could make his own characters, but doesn't, and chooses to perverse other people's work, because no one would be interested if it was his own unique original characters.
If anything, this is a conversation about originality, or the morality behind art business practices - but I'm already tired of this conversation, because unlike you, I spoke to other anons on this within the day and came to a reasonable conclusion in the conversation - and now you're coming in, late to the party, and wanting to stoke that flame again. Sorry buddy, it ain't happening, I'm all Khyled out.

>>7607608
Aww your brain can't form anything original it seems

>>7603796
then what's stopping you?

Porn is boring and so are porn artists and their fans

>>7608673
"boring" is what makes actual money

>>7602929
>It is true. Artists don't got time to play every fucking game, watch every movie and show, read every comic, book, manga, and web series
The sheer entitlement of this faggot lol.
Of course nobody can consume all media in existence, that doesn't mean that making fanart of something you haven't watched isn't hollow as fuck.

>We just do whatever we please, and if people like the art they're welcome to enjoy it.
You can just do things, you don't need approval from other people. You can buy a birthday cake for yourself even though it's not your birthday.

The vast majority of "artists" that make fanart of something they haven't watched do it because of trend-hoping in search of upcummies. So they *do* care about approval in the form of vanity metrics.

>
Picrel, how many of the people doing Lain memes and fanart have actually watched Serial Experiments Lain? Probably less than you think, the vibes are just communicated so well that many can immediately grasp it, and people who HAVE watched it can also point out a lot of the themes in summaries that assist with this understanding.
No. People see the memes and dont want to be out of the loop so they look up summaries. You have got it backwards. Its not that the "vibes" communicate anything.
For example i have seen tons of lain memes, i never bothered to look up summaries and i simply have no idea about what Lain is about. Maybe I cant feel the vibes enough?
A simple thought experiment to prove why this "vibe" (very vague non-argument) thing is false, just think of the last time you were exposed to constant hype about x or y series, you constantly see hints about characters and all that, and when you watch it, its something totally different from what you expected.

>Just that a most people plain will not for a ton of stuff, so it's not something to find surprising when you encounter it.

Fine, but don't make fanart of it, tnks.

>>7603203
>you can depict any character that you resonate with in any way you like.
Again if you havent watched the series that the character belongs to, then it means you find out about such and such character through social media or whatever.
You are not resonating with the character per-se, but to fucking memes about the character. And, ironically, those memes are created mostly by the fandom you seem to disparage so much.

>it means conforming to a certain internet subculture that's formed from people who liked a thing enough to put time and effort into making it a strong part of their identity and/or personality.
Woman moment.
>You log in to X or Y social media.
>Besides the multitude of things you follow, you also follow a few fandom accounts
>You spend a few minutes posting comment about your thoughts about certain episode, character etc...
>You log out
>This is bad and you should stop making it part of your identity mmkay?

alternative
>You spend hours drawing and rendering fanart about a character of a series you have no clue about because muh vibes, muh resonance
>This is okay. Because uuuuh, it just is okay?

>they just want to make cool shit and put it on the internet.
How about creating something original for once?

I have seen a massive amount of frieren fanart and I still have no clue about the Protagonist. Maybe my vibe receptor is damaged?
I also havent feel any urge to draw her, since i havent watched the series.
Maybe i should visit a therapist™ to get my vibe detector checked?

>>7609395
>How about creating something original for once?
why don't you lead by example, anon?

>>7603319
>Many ways someone can like a character. How many anons saw Tomoko Kuroki and went "she is literally me" from just isolated panels, screencaps and fanart?
They look up summaries and then pretend they have watched it. Thats it. No "vibes" and shit.
When i see her I only a see a girl with eyebags.

>You should probably see a therapist about that. Sounds like you're using it as a way to fill a hole in your life.
And now this anon goes full retard.
So apparently if anon likes something way too much he's in need of a therapist™.
I guess when i was a kid and I talked excitedly to my friends about the last dragon ball chapters and drew gokus on my notebook i was in need of a the_rapist. Who could have known!
Remember kids, do not enjoy something too much or youll be sent to the the_rapist™

>You can easily learn this from observation of clips and images lol
This is the kind of people that you can fool by posting clips out of context btw.
Im pretty sure that the ones making clips are usually people from the fandom. Others just move on.

>The rest of your post makes me think you're possibly a child

>I cant justify my vague bullshit about vibes and shit so ill just assume youre a kid mmkay?
So you think this anon is a child and youre telling him that theres something wrong with him if he enjoys something too much (fill a hole?). Its not a kid being a little inmature nope, he has psychological problems.
Ill never understand the fixation of effeminate men and women with therapists. Oh well

>>7608844
True. Safe sells. Doesn't mean it’s not still boring

>>7608844
It's true and it makes me somewhat respect the people who draw nsfw for years. I would die inside.

>>7601514
Sounds like a (You) problem. You think you've figured out the universe when you're moping about "money doesn't buy happiness" when you sound like any other typical bored teenager? Fuck off. I don't care about dressing myself up with expensive shit or driving fancy cars. I just want to live by and do art all day.

>>7601514
>I am loaded
>so money are pointless
>why do people who have no money chase money? I never understood
Genuinely retarded or trolling?

>>7601514

Your dad leaves you with retirement money and you waste it? This has to be a troll post.

BECAUSE WE'RE BURNED THE FUCK OUT
ITS TIRING DRAWING ORIGINAL ART CONSTANTLY
DRAWING FOR DIFFERENT FANDOMS AND IN DIFFERENT FORMATS ALL THE TIME WEARS YOU DOWN
I CANT JUST DRAW ONE THING FOREVER, I HAVE TO BE ORIGINAL
EVERY
TIME
IM TIRED
EVERY DAY IS LIKE RESTARTING FROM 0
NOTHING MATTERS EXCEPT THE NEXT DRAWING I HAVE TO DO

>>7615762
>DRAWING FOR DIFFERENT FANDOMS
STICK. TO. ONE. OR. 2. YOU. TRENDSHITTER.

Clap for me, the rest of you bastards.

>>7615766
I CANT DRAW THE SAME THING TWICE
MY MIND WONT ALLOW IT

>>7615778
weak. such weakness.

>>7601498 (OP)
This category of art is just like the big bang theory show for anime fans and band kids to me. The artists squeezes any amount of "oh i know that" cobbled with r/anime punchlines and people eat it up
>get it because she said small dick in an episode and she's next to a horse she will implicitly fuck just like in hentai

>>7602637
>>7603098
>>7615871
"Fans" who only like 1-2 modern shounens and constantly snipe at anyone who watches or reads anything else have always been a staple of anime fandom communities but it’s very different now because there’s 5000x as many, they’re far more resentful, and they all post the exact same way - they act like anything produced before an arbitrary year is "ancient" and stupid, they freak out about any other show being "muh fuh Epstein Diddy shit". They'll spend all day complaining about how the medium they claim to be a fan of is full of lousy shows and every other anime fan is problematic or a gooner and so on.

Current-day shonentards are significantly worse than the Toonami normies or whatever of yesteryear as they're entirely a byproduct of the post-2020 social media environment. At least the people who watched shows on Toonami and what have you in years past actually seemed to enjoy anime instead of coming off as fad chasers.

>>7615888
>"Fans" who only like 1-2 modern shounens and constantly snipe at anyone who watches or reads anything else have always been a staple of anime fandom
Im aware but for this particular topic, we have artists who cater to people who still slap their knee at "useless goddess".
>Remeber that line said exactly once over 7 years ago? It's in the first episode so you won't need to watch much to get / enjoy my post. :)

The whole thing largely makes actual discussion difficult too and it turns some people away from a show they might otherwise like. But I won't get ahead of myself.

>>7609383
>so they look up summaries. You have got it backwards. Its not that the "vibes" communicate anything.
>>7609410
>They look up summaries and then pretend they have watched it. Thats it. No "vibes" and shit.
>When i see her I only a see a girl with eyebags.
PYW. These statements indicate that both of you (unless you're the same person) are almost certainly nodraws. I'd even wager you're not even artists, you're probably just fandom shitters who come here to try to police artists and stir shit.

If you can't grasp anything about a character from seeing them reposted enough times, or their design, then you either are a /beg/ or you don't fucking do art - nor do you understand media beyond a surface level.

Or you just consume this shit completely passively for social belonging. And then come here like
>FUCK FUCK FUCK!! Artists are drawing things that risk making the shit I invested time and money and energy into no longer being trendy!! It's all porn and gross memes! I don't want to be associated with that!
Maybe don't be a stupid cunt who thinks their value is based on who they hang out with.

I refuse to draw characters from a game/anime/manga i haven't played/watched/read or didn't end up liking.
Yes it probably costs me precious internet upvote points, but i hate drwaing shit simply for trend hopping or popularity sake.

Japanese regress too. Just search up Yuugen. They used to be pretty good but then they became absolute shit, with sloppy beg-tier drawings. They gave up so hard once they had clout it’s like they had a stroke or something.