So, /ic/, what is the verdict? Do you really need to enjoy the process in order to get anywhere? By my own experience, I think it's probably true. But if that's the case, what is so many people doing in this board? Most of you hate drawing.

> most of you hate drawing
Bait.

I don't enjoy drawing and I've improved quite a bit since I started. But I think you've misunderstood what that quote is talking about. It's not saying "you can't improve unless you enjoy yourself", it's "even if you work hard, somebody who has fun doing what you consider hard work will outpace you". The narration in context is commenting on two characters who are among the best in the world at what they do, but one of them (the protagonist) is superior because he truly enjoys the hard work and dedicates basically every waking moment to improvement as a result. It's still allowing for somebody who works hard but doesn't enjoy himself to rise far beyond the layman. And it makes sense. If you found drawing so addictive you could do it 16 hours a day every day, skipping meals because you're having so much fun, needing to force yourself to stop to to take care of yourself, no shit you'd be doing better than somebody who has to force themselves to do it. It's obviously the case.

>>7603388
Do you think you will ever hit a breaking point and quit though? I hit several breaking points. But I always got back up and kept grinding. I thought I would never ran out of that willpower. But I did. And now I feel like all my efforts were for nothing. It's like it was rigged from the start, and all I did was just delay it.

>>7603279 (OP)
>Do you really need to enjoy the process in order to get anywhere?
Yes, and it's the only way to get “anywhere”. To reach Nirvana, the wish to reach it must die.
If you place your thirst for achievement above your enjoyment, you will always burn out and crash eventually.

The most successful and impactful artists are the ones who simply love the act of creation. External validation doesn't bother or motivate them. They don't need to “grind” or rely on “willpower”, they just draw because it's fun.
If living in an isolated cave erases your will to draw, you should reevaluate your values and mindset or quit. Why do you draw?

Success is just a side effect, not a destination. Chase it, and you'll always be lost.

>But if that's the case, what is so many people doing in this board? Most of you hate drawing.
They hate drawing because they see the mountain of work and effort it's going to take to satisfy their desire—whether that desire is born out of narcissism or insecurities.
Most want to get good at drawing for external validation: followers, likes, money, or to surpass another artist. In short, they are drawing for someone else's sake.

For them, drawing is suffering, practicing is a chore, and doodling is pointless.
These people are in love with the idea of creating art. They are drunk on the idea of what art can bring to them.

Like a child who's drawing for fun, you need to stop “chasing” and start “playing” again.

A lot of self-loathing on this thread, out of all of the instances an individual can have fix their unresolved mental issues and overall struggles I just don't understand why some of you feel like posting a thread about how much you hate yourself for being a no/draw/ expecting something to click and change what you are as some sort of persona life changing experience.
But I guess there's a reason why you need to be 18+ to post here, if you're unable to fix this type of personality issues on your own you must feel some type of way in breaking the rules and posting without a fully developed frontal lobe on this board.

I use to think you needed to, but now that isn't the case;
I do not like drawing anymore, but I love the brainstorming and the finished product.
I just hate everything in between

>>7603279 (OP)
I love drawing. Anyone who says drawing is fun, doesn't know what they're talking about. Drawing comics is fucked. All sorts of problems occur. Not fun. I don't hate it.

I How many 4chan posts have I reached? It's got to be over 3000.

>>7603414
>Do you think you will ever hit a breaking point and quit though?
No, not at all. I may not enjoy drawing, but I'm drawn back to it every time I drift a bit away. I'm fairly certain I'll be doing this til the day I die. I have a goal I'm trying to achieve (make something capital G Great) and I expect to not succeed in my lifetime, but I have nothing better to do with my life but to try. Not to say I'm I can't be distracted by more fun things, like vidya and 4chan.

>>7603287
He's right though. Most of the begs who are stuck drawing shitty anime heads with the hope that one day they can draw NTR mommies like their hero Raita hate the process of drawing.

I enjoy drawing but that makes it hard to draw. Everything I draw takes an infinite amount of time because I just keep adding to it. If I draw a figure in 2 minutes, well that was only 2 minutes of effort, it doesn't matter my skill level. I have to pour my soul into it and put a solid hour of work into a drawing before I can begin to call it done, so I'm not learning anything in that time because I can't just put it down and leave it shit. Everything I draw has to be amazing and set a new standard.

>>7604058
You need to redefine what "finished" means by having a clear goal from the start. A 2 minute figure drawing? Maybe you're specifically targeting the gesture and basic form of the subject. The drawing is finished once you've completed those elements. Sketches are art unto themselves and there's no harm in leaving it as a sketch as opposed to raising it up to an illustration or whatever. If you're obsessing over every single drawing it's because you aren't planning your studies out.

In the end though, the single most important thing is that you're enjoying the process. As long as you do that, you will see improvement. So keep doing what makes you happy.

Calarts won.

>>7603388
>And it makes sense. If you found drawing so addictive you could do it 16 hours a day every day, skipping meals because you're having so much fun, needing to force yourself to stop to to take care of yourself, no shit you'd be doing better than somebody who has to force themselves to do it. It's obviously the case.

This makes abosultely NO SENSE, since when does skipping your meals, showers and the things which are required to keep your body going to a productive outcome?
Like, does a tree grows only by the light of the sun?
Stay atleast realitstic if you write: "And it makes sense".

>>7603279 (OP)
>enjoy the process
>get able to draw to people for money
>hate the process

Drawing isn't always fun but you're not supposed to feel the grind or dread the subject unless you're a semi/professional or a student with a workload or a deadline. A huge part of drawing demands you to learn to deal with your frustrations and your limits.

It's easier to do when drawing is some sort of stress relief. That way it's always a bit rewarding and you don't get miserable about it, even if the result isn't up to snuff. I get why some would chase after success, money or any sort of external validation of your talent, but those are stress inducing rewards. That's a problem for semi-pros or pros, only. As a beginner it's the worst obsessions to have since you're basically conditionning yourself to feel pressure and to not enjoy the process.

>>7604293
Drawing for yourself and drawing for others is a world of difference.

>>7603279 (OP)
fun isn't necessary but it can be very valuable.

>>7604254
If this is the critical thinking level of the average /beg/ then this board's state suddenly makes a lot more sense

>>7604254
You missed the "could" in there buddy.

>>7603279 (OP)
>draw every day for fun
>love all my shitty drawings
>become good
>make it on twitter and patreon
>not every minute I draw is agonizing
>coutning down the seconds until I can stop after an hour
>barely pushing 2 hours of drawing a day because its just work now

>>7604086
finished means the drawing is Good. So there's no set time for that. I can draw something good in 30 minutes or in 6 hours, its out of my control.