Thread 7604005

i drew for 1.5 years, others in that time who started later than me got better faster, why did i fail? why couldnt i draw?

any help pointing me in the right direction is appreciated!

Less 4chan, more drawing? Sounds obvious, retarded anon.

>>7604005 (OP)
Maybe those people practiced for more than half an hour every other weekend.

Just copy stuff you like, dumbo. If that's too hard then start by tracing until you get the hang of it. This is the retardproof way to bruteforce drawing.

>>7604009
>>7604010
i tried, i tried so hard and never got better for 6 months i did 5 hours of practice daily

oh its you again. well did you draw anything since your last thread?

>>7604009
>>7604010

>>7604013
>1613882338829
>Sun Feb 21 2021 04:38:58 GMT+0000
unironically posting 4 year old drawings kek

>>7604014
>>7604016
why would i draw again if i have no talent
why did i fail

https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7368571#p7370053

I have avians, I think mammals are better. Primates especially

>>7604010
Copying is important too, but alone it's not going to magically make you better.
This is misleding to begs.

>>7604005 (OP)
i'm on the same boat but what i try to do more is to make more finished stuff. all these more loomis and fundie grind is cool and all but it made me forget the reason why i even draw in the first place.
tldr=have fun i guess

>>7604005 (OP)
Where are the finished pieces

>>7604005 (OP)
I like the raw schizoness of it. I think you should try to channel that energy onto some big physical canvases, I could see that being powerful. Just keep being unhinged instead of trying to meld in with "normal people" and their art standards.

>>7604059
This is like one brush change away from looking good. The way each stroke has a soft edge ruins it

>>7604005 (OP)
your 2020-2021 section was decent. looks like you just lost interest and came back after long breaks. dont blame you, you probably didnt know what the next steps were supposed to be.

>>7604005 (OP)
You can grind skill but you can't grind talent and creativity.

>>7604005 (OP)
Fuck off Cris!

I can't do it man, I can't log off the internet and social media to draw. Its like leaving a wild party and trying to go to sleep when you hear everyone else still having a good time...

>>7604005 (OP)
You need a goal. Pick some of your favorite art and work towards mimicking that.

>>7604005 (OP)
hooo I remember you anakin anon, it was so long ago
I began seriously drawing a bit later than you, judge if you deem me worthy of advice I don't know
what I can tell you is that progress is not linear: whenever you become able to draw accurately simple poses and backgrounds (midbeg I'd say) you break loose of study hell and you start making finished pieces. those learn you how to draw like riding a bike, in a more natural and less intellectualized way than studies of books. your progress becomes exponentially faster at this point
to answer your question, other anons just reach this state earlier than you, probably just because they had more time than you to draw
you need at least 3 hours a day to get out of /beg/ imo

>>7605027
That's yours? No way, you started after me?
How are you better than me
>>7604108
>>7604099
>>7604085
I didnt finish any piece, I only practiced and did grinding and training of basics and other concepts.
Next steps, there are no next steps if you dont have talent

>>7605092
>how are you better than me
I didn't give up, as simple

>>7605027
For 6 months I drew 5 hours daily, the >>7604005 (OP)
first months you see there, but as I realized others got better faster I quit.

You say others simply reach this state earlier than me, I did 5 hours a day minimum for 6 months, I should have beent here earlier NOT ONLY THAT

as i said multiple times before, if it takes me 10 years to draw at the skill, level and efficiency that someone else can reach in 3, why even draw? It's not efficient

Why do I have no talent?
>>7605007
But I dont have the talent though

>>7605093
Prove that art is yours?
No, you just had talent
Explain how me drawing 6 months, daily, not a single skipped day, for 5 hours minimum didnt lead to me becoming better. I recognized sunk cost fallacy the moment I saw it and never applied real effort from then on

>>7605027
You should fucking die choking on your own blood for drawing better than me, why do you have talent and I dont? I worked hard, you were merely born with it

>>7605094
as I told you, progress is not linear. you can't extrapolate how much time it will take you to make it by looking at how much you progress in 6 months. the your pic looks better than what I was able to draw at 6 month, I can see the 5 hours a day
you would have "stagnated" for a year and then you would have started understanding a process finish illustrations. at this point in my opinion, you would have progressed very fast judging how much time you have

>>7605027
It would take me 3 BILLION YEARS to draw like this based on the meager improvement if any at all that I saw, why should I even bother drawing? My latest attempts
>>7604019
>>7604028
I would kill you for this

>>7605027
I would kill you and your entire family, know this, over this image.
I should have been better than you, you never worked hard, you only have your talent to fall back on.
I couldn't draw from imagination btw.
Now I could never ever catch up with you and win.

Why draw if others are better in less time and you can't catch up?
>>7605098
Bullshit, extrapolating my rate of improvement was what I did, I am right, I saw that others were improving faster so I decided to quit back on 2021 and never draw seriously again to not waste my limited time.

Youre telling me I should have wasted my time FOR 10 FUCKING YEARS TO DRAW LIKE THIS?
>>7605027

I DREW FOR 5 HOURS A DAY MINIMUM DURING 6 ENTIRE MONTHS NEVER TAKING A SINGLE FUCKING BREAK, NEVER BREAKING FROM THE ROUTINE
AND WHAT DID I GET, NOTHING

I WAS THE WORST ATTEMPT IN EVERY SINGLE CHALLENGE THREAD

>>7605027
WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN ME, I WANT TO KILL YOU
WHY ARE YOU BETTER THAN ME

>>7605027
Blog?

why do you even want to draw?

>>7605109
I WANTED
KEY WORD
WANTED
to draw, over me liking it and wanting to just make my thoughts a reality, I just simply liked
LIKED
drawing
but after I tried and worked hard for 6 months and saw nothing to show for it, my curve of drawing potential was negative in the future
I decided to quit
If it would take me 10 years to 3 billion years of daily drawing to draw like this >>7605027
why should I bother?

>>7605105
why would you do something so retarded? are you some kind of moron? I drew casually with tons of breaks, I didn't even realize I was getting better than my peers until a friend ask me if I could draw him something. now I'm pro and basically never struggled.

OP HERE

NO ONE CARES ABOUT DRAWING AND PAINTING ANYMORE HAHAHAHAHA
>>7605027
You wasted time learning to draw like this btw

>>7605095
>prove that art is yours
why would I lie to you anon, I'm giving you advice
you only drew for 6 months, obviously I'm better, it doesn' mean you can't
>>7605108
I don't have one for now I draw for myself, maybe one day

>>7605115
Because I was pursuing a goal with extreme determination, yet again, I wanted to draw so I was pursuing it with extreme and inhuman amount of focus
when drawing FAILED me, I abandoned it
I do not regret my decision
>>7605118
and a nazi of all things lmao fuck off
Advice? Youre not giving me advice
How could I improve? Say it, I do not believe I would improve
Im not stupid in all things, its called math, growth, statistics
The rate of improvement I showed extrapolated further into time meant that minimum 10 to 30 years to draw like a pro, why e ven waste time?

>>7605101
you are not right. I drew like shit for a year before getting much better much faster, as I said you. you stopped digging before finding the diamonds, believe me or not i showed you my work

>>7605121
Shut up slav, I can feel the russian stench even here
I am right, how could I not be?
I am always right
besides if what you said is true, I wasted time, I could have been LEGENDARY tier already but I didnt work, nonetheless im not bothered by this, because drawing failed ME, FAILED ME, why would I put effort into someone who betrayed me?

>>7605119
>Advice? Youre not giving me advice
As i said just do what you were doing. do studies, copy bridgeman twice, and at some point depending on how much time you put on it you will have the confidence to start a piece. and then you will understand you did the hardest already

>>7605124
How old are you? answer me

>>7605123
>besides if what you said is true, I wasted time, I could have been LEGENDARY tier already but I didnt work
this is my opinion yes, I think you would be at least at my level by now, I only spend 2 to 3 hours a day drawing for 3 years
I'm french why do you say I'm slav

>>7605125
20, if that makes you feel better

>>7605118
I like how your timelapse accidentally(?) plays out like an animation/story. he was chillin' until someone took his eye out

>>7605126
Nazi and ESL, it wasnt hard to think you were some slav, nonetheless I actually did sperg out about french and asian talent
french and asians can draw easier than most

I am pissed off now, I could very well afford 6 TO 7 hours of drawing daily
>>7605127
20? I am 24 now, I am now too old to draw as such must give up and abandon the idea though

>>7605127
>>7605129
I am too old given the neuroplasticity, one of my original arguments years ago, I was too old to draw back then
ill just kill myself soon I am pretty bored of life

>>7605119
>I wanted to draw
No you didn't. your problem is you wanted to draw 'well' and drawing 'badly' pained you. do you not see any value in 'bad' drawings? why are they 'bad' to you?

>>7605133
why do things bad? either be good or be nothing, its why im so nonchalant about suicide

>>7605128
haha thank you i changed a lot the lineart this is one of my first finished one
>>7605129
>french and asians can draw easier than most
french art industry is something but I never took a course anon i just went to the museum when I was a kid, talent is bullshit I'm supposed to be an STEM wageslave
>I am 24 now, I am now too old to draw
that's not true, I was much more retarded when I was 18. you can start now, at 5 hours a day I'd say you'll be int in 2 years, maybe one

>>7604985
Nobody is having a good time. You won't miss anything. The Internet is just the same old slop day in and day out.

>>7605134
>why do things bad?
because it's fun/engaging. just the act of scribbling mindlessly is cathartic. you are thinking bad, why do that?

>>7605147
>>7605136
what if youre wrong?

>>7605159
my work speaks for me.

>>7604005 (OP)
You either lack talent, conviction or both.

>>7605174
>>7605168
>>7605160
this anon says i lack talent, i agree
what do you think about that
>>7605174
why do i lack talent

>>7605176
You have a sub 100iq. don't worry, it's common.

>>7605180
why?

>>7605182
Since IQ follows a normal distribution with a mean of 100, about 50% of people have an IQ below 100, and about 50% have an IQ above 100. So, roughly half of the U.S. population has an IQ below 100.

>>7605186
am i right here?
>>7605119

>>7605176
I think talent is bs.
what you call talent is the skill that you aquire "accidentally"
for instance if you drew a lot when you were a kid, you will progress faster when you draw again years later as an adult. this is not "talent", your brain just partially already figured out how to render 3d shapes in 2d and you forgot about it.
I am friends with proper art students of various shit levels. I can tell you they had talent, but that doesn't matter because they work 6 hours a week. You draw more than them in a day, and that obliterates the small advantage they have over you that their parents took them to the museum.

>>7605189
>>7605186
but what if i try again and dont improve, instead waste more time of my life?

>>7604005 (OP)
Your art clearly reflects your shifting self-image. It won't be a linear process, but the sooner you address your BPD, the sooner you'll improve

>>7605188
you are wrong there. I'll show you how;
>Im not stupid in all things, its called math, growth, statistics
You were filtered by everything you tried, remember source film maker? 12 year olds can make animations in that yet you struggled.

>The rate of improvement I showed extrapolated further into time meant that minimum 10 to 30 years to draw like a pro, why e ven waste time?
You wouldn't reach pro even after 50 years. Your cap is much lower thanks to your low IQ. Your only option is to abandon hope of drawing well and to draw anyway. Look at cris as your peer, he hasn't improved in 10+ years.

>>7605193
you have a skewed perception of your level.
>>7605094 this is mid beg, in 6 months. you progressed faster than most ic begs, faster than me and faster than some art students I know. this is not surprising given the time you gave to it. unfortunately you are a little princess that could not wait a few more months.
be aware tho that having so much time is a better gift than any level of talent, and I think if one day you accept to not be schizo you would become very good. this is not bait.

>>7605199
i tried blender and the thing is that i rarely try things, my amount of attempts is extremely low in most things, i research and prepare lots but i never do
to this day i havent even watched a vid on how to animate something, im not interested
>>7605200
i failed at making blender porn though look
also i know youre a nazi so dont take the blacked too personal, it was a request i wanted to fulfill
https://warosu.org/3/thread/987524#p992762

>>7605203
why do you show me a blender animation with niggers, i'm talking about your drawing ability
I agree with>>7605194, just focus and draw as much as you did

>>7605208
because this anon know me >>7605199
he said
>>7605199
>You were filtered by everything you tried, remember source film maker? 12 year olds can make animations in that yet you struggled.

i have faield at everything ive tried, even playing videogames.....

>>7605209
>i have faield at everything ive tried
because you abandon if it's not instantly perfect. I don't know about blender or video games but I know that if you had continued drawing like you did you would have reached int in 18 months at most

>>7605203
>i research and prepare lots but i never do
Ok you stated your problem. Now stop researching and do something.

>>7605209
I'm reminded of this quote from writer ira glass. You certainly fit in the group mentioned who don't get past the phase where your work disappoints you. I know you have good taste(Taiyō Matsumoto), and I think that good taste is maybe a little too good, you've got refined taste. most beginners are happy drawing pikachu badly.

here it is:
"Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work. Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions. And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile. It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.”

>>7605224
You're right, I'm a perfectionist and I dream of drawing like the greats I love, I have niche and expensive test in regards to the time or talent I felt it needs

Do you think I can do it? Draw and be good at it?

>>7605282
I think you can. It is only a function of time, and you have plenty of that, you are neither old or wageslave.

>>7605289
Im a wageslave actually, but I also dont have a lot of anything else going on in my life, no shit im so depressed so I can still do 5 hours a day, I have no social life

>>7605290
go on then, not a lot of people can stand being focused for 5 hours after a day job, you are quite gifted actually

>>7605189
Wrong. Proko is a perfect example of max skill but little to no talent and creativity while Pewds is low skill + decent talent + high sense of appeal.

>>7605282
No, you don't. You play off your perma/beg/ness as some type of meme, you laugh it out, but the reality is that you're just masking how much of retard you truly are.
You've been doing this shit for years and countless people (myself included) have reached out to help you but you're helpless. Truth is you don't want to improve; you can't improve you just want to make yourself known as some sort of an ego trip.
Le funny perma/beg/ skit has run out its course long time ago, you waste yours and everyone else's time every time you come back here. Take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself what you are doing with your life but most importantly consider a new hobby and fuck off.

>>7605294
Why not? I want to draw, Ive always wanted. I still doodle a lot, ideas and such.

>>7605296
And anime is shit btw. Grow up.

>>7605300
I also like actual art, paintings, so tell me, why not? Why cant I do it?
I'm literally Invincible in this moment

>>7605300
>>7605294
why do you think i cant?

>>7605224
OP here but what happens if I try and I fail, Im not ready to experience heartbreak again
Here >>7604005 (OP)
after 2022 i just cried whenever i tried to draw due to my failure, i couldnt draw again

>>7605007
What is the difference between digi art and AI actually

>>7605399
>What's the difference between apples and rocks
low resolution subhuman

Bumping, so do you guys think I can improve and be good or not?
Why?
>>7605294
>>7605224

>>7605382
go draw ffs, you have so much time

>>7605421
But before that, I want to be sure, can i be good or not? Why try if I wont be good, I dont even know where to start again, Im so lost

>>7605293
Yes, but Proko also downplays his natural talent since he sells art courses.

OP here, so could I be good or not and why?

>>7605549
no and because it is your destiny to give up

>>7605549
You are a fool that can't draw but has sex, I am a fool that is incel but can draw; and we're both unhappy, and we both suffer.

>>7605557
>>7605565
Why no? Why is it my destiny to give up? Could I draw, how and why?

Bump, can I become good or not, why?

>>7606001
You can't. Change who you are and then you can.

>>7606157
I can only try if I know I will succeed

>>7604923
I hate this image so much its unreal

>>7604005 (OP)
I'll bite, especially since I started drawing around the same time (09/2020).

The most important thing is knowing how to learn, which is where /permabegs/ fail. The second most important thing is applied practice, which is not the same thing as drawing every day, also important. Third most is to study every day. Fourth most is actually finishing artwork. Sucks to be a renderlet like me!

>>7605095
Gains are not linear. Neither is your ability to properly see and critique your own artwork. The two are often surprisingly independent. Hitting a plateau means something needs to change. Sometimes there are no further gains to be had with your current skill tree, and you have to unlock something else first. Sometimes you just need a break.

>>7606001
You can become good, absolutely. But it will require your self-esteem be independent of your art.

>>7605224
very solid quote

>>7606233
what's wrong with it? I thought they made reasonable progress but just haven't united different part of their skillet yet. That generally come later when they start working on their own ideas in earnest.

>>7606237
>very solid quote
I would like to agree but it would have been relevant if I was able to detect any semblance of preference or taste from my conversation with people that starts thread like this.

>>7606237
Thank you but why should I use then?
It;s been so long I dont remember courses, I dont remember what to do
>>7606566
What do you mean, OP here, you think I cant?

>>7606237
The fifth is to draw more than 2 hours a day, because your improvement is super slow.

>>7604923
Bro was getting pretty good though, who cares how long it took him. I feel like he just had a few more mental hurdles to clear and he'd be able to draw from imagination just fine.

Bump

>>7605176
>why do i lack talent
By asking this you just proved that you are too stupid to learn something as complex as drawing.

Talent = Intelligence

>>7607254
but why?

Bump, can I ?

>>7605129
you know what? yeah you're too old, you don't even like drawing hell, you only like the idea of it. Your old 24 year old brain can't keep up with the youngins no mo'. Just give up anon, no body knows you in real life so who cares if you do? (except you know, you)

>>7607455
What do you mean I am too old? What are your reasons for thinking I cant learn to draw? What do you think happened here in this pic >>7604005 (OP)

>>7607456
>What do you mean I am too old?
nigga you just said you were kek, this has got to be bait. not responding to this shitty thread anymore, kys

>>7607458
But you said it, do you think I cant or can?

I draw since decades already and I still suck. Drawing isn't really something you can learn. You need to have a natural sense for it.

>>7607480
OP here, proof?

>>7606233
why? this is what happens when you spend 95% of your time doing INTP incel virgin box grinding

he would have been high int and probs been able to make a good living (pre-AI) if he just did his silly anime girls from imagination for at least 50% of his drawing time

>>7604013
Low iq, or too autistic, or mentally ill, give up.
Seek a more formal or easier hobby. Art is a bulbous, organic, writhing, unpredictable amalgam of skills, hard to teach and learn.

Is he really going to keep bumping his own thread just to ask if he can make it?
NOBODY KNOWS. Get to work and find out. It's too much effort? Then don't do it. Who cares? It's your problem.
Even that one dumb Howie a few blocks over finally managed to make his ADHD-tremor-carpal tunnel-Alzheimers hands useful. Come on.

Holy shit never thought id see schizo anon again. I see youre still miserable and NOT learning. Did you give up? Why? If you'd been drawing this whole time you'd be even better. You weren't totally awful for the time frame you were drawing. We don't just get better overnight anon. I quit drawing for a few years (funny enough around the last time I seen you posting years ago) and i regret it. In my pic is when I last was drawing versus now to this year where I've been consistently practicing daily as hard as I can. You can improve. But you have to stick with it, really wanna do it, and be willing to try out many methods before you figure it out. Good luck Anon.

>>7604005 (OP)
Permabeg will look at this and say "Yep, that's a pretty accurate 1:1 copy. All the reference lines look very similar. I did some practice, let's do the same tomorrow, and I'll improve"

>>7607541
what happened to her jaw? is she a mouth breather? why even draw that

>>7607619
That was my literal first drawing after reading a book on it
>>7607537
>>7607535
>>7607485
>>7607541
I am insecure and afraid of failure, I need a way to know I can do it and succeed before doing it

>>7607707
bro it's been over for years now, move on

>>7607727
why should i move on, ive always wanted to draw

>>7607621
Lol pyw

you won't draw

>>7607743
Why not?

>>7607744
no talent and bad genes

>>7607746
Why?

>>7607747
What do you mean? Explain

>>7607750
Why do you honestly I cant draw? If its >>7607746
why and how?

>>7607751
what? why? please tell me honestly why it's so

>>7607752
How?

you will never draw like yoshinari, or paint like yuasa. get rekt permabeg

>>7604923
You don't have a goal. If you like that death note girl why don't you draw more of her instead of aimless cubes and apples? Maybe draw her eating an apple, did you think of that?

>>7607707
I think it's quite clear that you cannot do it and it's better you do not proceed.

>>7607770
but why? why cant i?

>>7607771
because life isn't fair and you got dealt a shit hand

>>7607772
is that so? but can you analyze with proper crit

>>7607733
you are only worthy of my thirty (30) min doodle

there needs to be a rule forbidding outstandingly childish behaviour like this. not that it would change anything hahahaha

Beg tier anime. Figures.

aww i was just having a bit of fun. no need to be so dramatic. if you wish to battle in a draw-off, i will await your reply

>>7607771
born that way, bad genes, dropped on head, who cares. What different would the cause do to you. It's irreversible (obviously) anyway, so why bother.

>>7606646
well, anon, what are you working on right now?

>>7607914
>>7607923
I want to know why do you believe that to be the cause?

This thread is the mental equivalent of lifting with your spine for 10 years.

OP here, do you guys believe I cant or can?

>>7608066
Both at the same time. Break a leg OP.

>>7608066
We live in the matrix. There is no art. If you believe it, the matrix will bend to your will.

>>7604005 (OP)
u did not draw for 1.5 years
u drew for 2 hours in 1.5 years

>>7608200
For the first 6 to 7 months I drew daily 5 hours minium or average

>>7607925
what did you draw today?

>>7608202
>1,000 hours
for talentfags they took as long as 10k with world class mentors and support environment. Considering your autiam and limited attention span should take you around 50k to 70k hours no shortcuts

>>7608200
You are a dirty spic with an attitude to go with it, I don't think you will improve.

>>7604005 (OP)
>the fucking cringe self loathing like it's at all an acceptable excuse of the shitty work you did
Just fucking do it man, give up, kill yourself, be a failure, don't subject other people to see the unhinged retarded shit you tell yourself while drawing. Just accept it, take the advice from others, and move on with your work, this emo shit is not helping you and it's pathetic to watch. And honestly, what I hate about it the most, is that you're being dishonest, this isn't you seriously hating yourself over bad art, this is you protecting your fragile as fuck ego, you're trying to beat others to the punch on what you fear they may tell you before they actually do in the most unhealthy and fucking cringe way possible. Stop it, quit art, get help, and come back when you're in a state of mind to actually nut the fuck up and learn.

>>7608217
Nothing. I wanna be sure I can be good before I try

>>7608567
If you don't try, you'll never be good. Feel free to waste your time making these threads.

OP here bumping thread
why cant i
>>7608218
how long is that? doesnt seem worth it
>>7608304
but what if i cant?

If you put all the time and effort into improving you put into shitposting you would be unstoppable but alas I don't see you stopping your misguided ways.

bump
I need to learn to draw

>people are still getting sucked into the three months schizo anon vortex
never change /ic/

>>7613771
But he tried so hard, he drew some pictures but isn't really awesome yet!
Now posting a schizo sad sack thread on /ic/ every few months is the only thing that keeps him going.
Don't take this away from him, the only other thing he has other than this, is a noose.

Don't you have anything better to do?

>>7605094
>you need a goal
>>but I don't have talent
Ngmi. Your mindset is bork

>>7605293
Pewdiepie literally only draws from reference. He's negative talent.

>>7608567
This thread is clearly bait, but if you're a beg that got snagged keep in mind this is a very important mindset to crush. There are no fundamentals you can practice that will transition you into making good finished pieces. At some point you need to transition into making things and it's going to suck that they won't match up to your ambition, but making things out of the fundamentals is a skill that's different from the fundamentals. Figuring out how to apply your fundies in an appealing way and slowly putting all the pieces together into your own style is a part of the process.