The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

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Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga
https://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49
Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting
https://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/
Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga
https://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdf
The Shonen Jump Guide to Making Manga
https://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6Wpg

Videos:
"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"
Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos
Full MANBEN Series link: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0GiIM_rGEGPjTGQ4HadH4eizLu5E49Tz&si=gpRcOXt_H1l3shNF [Note: Videos appear to be taken down at the moment - check Habanero]
Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videos

OP image from The Principle Post - Junji Ito

>>7604071 (OP)
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7604073
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7604075
Current Contests:

Webtoons 2025 Contest:
https://www.webtoons.com/en/notice/detail?noticeNo=3321 [may have ended, "ends in May 2025" wasn't very clear]

/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

Why aren't you drawing the superior format, webtoons? Plenty of amateurs have found great success doing webtoons, even got their own anime. Manga is a dying dinosaur that you cling to because most of you are simply afraid/too lazy to color.

>>7604212
Bait post aside, I'm actually doing another side project that is webtoons only. Much flatter angles, and more dialogue so it's easier to draw...
but then all that time has to go into freaking coloring.

I always just find it weird that the webtoons audience can feed off 1 panel/page updates, as opposed to entire chapters.

>>7604212
Because I'm not homosexual.

>>7604232
>thinks it's bait but is doing exactly what it says
I'm thinkin the real bait here is trying to do manga as a westerner.

>>7604243
I do both, have at thee

>>7604243
>>7604212
PYWebtoon then

>>7604246
>implying he draws
I think you misunderstand.
He is saying that HE only reads webtoons. He doesn't make anything

>>7604249
If he only reads webtoons AND doesn't draw, why is he in the manga drawing thread?
Are there so few decent webtoons for him to read that he feels the need to try and recruit more creators to the cause?

the Kiki prototype web comic is nearing completion, originally wanted to draw her pushing the sword while in the ground to her village but I fear I lack the creative skills at the moment.

a bit more practice and I might be able to translate my novel into a web comic maybe but I suck at poses still
>tfw I can at least draw anime faces kinda ok now

>>7604252
He secretly wants us to give him more content, probably because of the things you described.

>Oh God it's my birthday and I'm just having a rough week, I'm hungry, and I have nothing planned, but whatever you do, DON'T take me out to dinner, that's the last thing I want! God I'm so hungry! Come on guys, really, don't do it!

>>7604255
So is this a oneshot fan art or something? I assume you aren't really going to make an entire series on preexisting characters

>>7604269
I was already working on another kiki related project and knew how to draw her relatively well so it's a one shot. Also the idea of her trying to move dragonslayer is comical to me.

My actual short story/novel is fully original with my own characters.

>>7604212
Because I like manga sir

I have tears in my eyes as I type this. It's so fucking joever for my untalented no gf having ass

>>7604417

>>7604417
if you don't have a gf, thats more free time to draw and get better
the better you get, the hotter your future gf will be, and if you actually finish a manga/ webcomic/ whatever, then she'll be a 10/10

Another character that i have in mind, but also one of the favorites, i really wanna draw up until her introduction

>>7604454
P.s. i forgot to ask, does she looks fun?

>>7604456
Meh, I guess. Only 2 of those expressions could someone classify as "fun"
Pigtails are usually fun though

>>7604456
I don't like the large strand of hair traveling down her face but it's probably just me, otherwise I like her

>>7604212
>superior format, webtoons?
W*btoons arent superior in anything other than being easier to scroll with your thumb for Wost Korean salarymen/salarywomen trying to read something while taking a poo.

Right or left?

>>7604619
Both busts look off

>>7604071 (OP)
大黒柱~

cool word

>>7604619
left for sure

>>7604619
right
reminds me of Lara's triangle titties, also looks more unique than the more typical roundish boobies

>>7604619
very nice, I like it

are doing a master studies the best way to learn how to draw comics, or is doing your own original stuff better?

I feel like you'd be hammering in bad ideas if I were to focus on my original comic, until I've got a basic understanding down

>>7605077
Unfortunately it's not possible to do master studies solely until you get to an abstract "generally mistake free" level. You're going to make mistakes either way and that's ok. You gotta just get your hands stuck in dere wit da boyz and lurn how ta krump.

>>7605077
Yes with an asterisk

Most people do "master studies" incorrectly. They just copy the image 1:1 without actually using their brain.
It's not about making a copy, it's about studying.
You should seek to break down the picture and figure out how it was made from the ground up. Recreate it and understand why it has been drawn the way it has been drawn.

>>7605087
yeah so focus more on it. Often Ill sort of zone out when doing studies (listening to music or podcasts), it'll look 1:1, but when I'm starting my own comic, I feel like I don't remember a whole heap, so that's probably the problem

>>7605077
Making your own stuff is best, though of course you should throw in studies here and there or at the very least keep on studying (with your eyeballs) master works. Really whatever is hardest is going to be the best thing for you. It means you're encountering and having to actually solve problems. Most of the time that's going to be making something original, though there are cases when there's something specific you're trying to learn from a particular work.

Is there a term for the phenomenon where drawing takes as long as it needs to? Like if I wanted to draw a page, it could take me 4 hours (just an example), but if I work on a double page spread, it'll also be 4 hours. If I am just drawing a panel, it could be 1 hour, even though its not 1/4th of the page. It makes it hard to estimate how long something will take.

>>7605202
Is this an AI nonsense post or are you just retarded, bro?

Finished volume 1 of my manga GRIN. about 260 pages. Probably going to self publish and get it printed myself

https://medibang.com/mpc/titles/282408040322225130015389105/?locale=en

>>7605206
If you dont understand english then don't respond, anik.

>>7605214
It's not about understanding English, it's about you understanding you're asking a meaningless fucking question. Different work takes different time to do? Wow, no shit retard!

You dont even understand that you dont understand, impressive. But thanks for you input.

>>7605202
I get you, and I have noticed the same thing. I think in our minds we categorize panels as completely separate drawings when the entire page itself is a single drawing.

>>7605143
It is like studying mathematics in this way.
If you just copied pic related without actually paying attention to what it is you are copying, would you expect to learn anything?
To learn this you would have to break it down, understand what makes it work. And art is no different.

>>7605211
dam nigga thats awesome, you could definitely get that published, it looks really good. I'll have to give it a proper read tomorrow, especially cause oni girl louise looks hot.
Also how many pages did you get done a week do you think? I'm estimating that looks like around 5, which is somewhere I'm trying to get to, as im at about 3 a week

>>7605253
Yeah so try to understand what makes the page work, looking at the flow, composition, and drawing out the building blocks underneath characters and objects

>>7605258
Thanks man!! Let me know what you think we when you get around to reading it. and yeah I average probably like 5-6 pages a week. for every chapter I also do a full colored illustration so that cuts into the time as well.

just drawing

>>7605211
Gratz anon, I've read the beginning back when you post it, but def not 260 pages. I'll check it out again, hope you get a good deal on printing

Are there any ways to shortcut backgrounds ? like literally copy pasting them ? copy pasting other "free stock work" of other comic artist ?
This ones a stock photo. I think there's a way to fill the lineart with just the selection tool.
>>7605342
Nice

>>7605360
>Are there any ways to shortcut background
>>7593974

>>7604619
The obliques/lats of the right, tits of the left.
>>7605211
This is fucking SICK dude. The action is my favorite part, it flows so smoothly and cool. Character designs are all captivating. Like all the subtle worldbuilding too without explicit expedition. So cool! Gonna read the rest tonight. Quality up to where I'd pay to read it, definitely.

It's so fucking joever. Manga is too hard

>>7605554
Glad you're enjoying it! I really put my all into it

What advice do you have for writing 1-4 page episodic stories? Are there any examples of manga you recommend that are good at this?

>>7605692
slice of life stuff like Hatarakanai Futari

>>7605692
I can only think that's in comedy category which it isn't that hard. They're either lol random humor, relatable humor or meta fourth wall break humor. Maybe I just read so many of those shit i find them formulaic and one of the easiest to make.

>>7605755
What are some good examples?

>>7605360
There's lots of ways to shortcut drawing backgrounds.
>draw it roughly
>only draw part of it
>use some process to skip drawing parts of it ie. starting from a filtered photo
>choose a style that's quick and easy to draw
>compose the shot in such a way that a lot of the background is very simple and easy
And so on. Use your creativity.

Are there westaboos who are just as purist about imported comics being left-to-right?

>>7605978
Japanese is only read right-to-left when it's written vertically, as in manga and novels. On smartphones and PCs it's horizontal left-to-right, same as english. So it's not like it's a foreign concept to native speakers.

I just can't do it anymore bros...pour one out for me when you make it.

>>7606095
What's the point of these constant shitposts

>>7606176
I assume his art didn't get the (you)s he wanted so he's resigned to shitting up the thread.

Anybody use lightboards to draw comics? My pages tend to be a bit worse due to the rubbing out of pencil, and I havent had luck with blue pencils, as I much prefer mechanical ones

How do you know if you're talented or not?

>>7606447
Depends on how effectively you can prompt a usable scene or design in the least amount of time. There is also merit in being able to understand which generators yield the most consistent qualities that you look for, as well as longevity of companies and such that host such ais

>>7606447
In writing can't tell. Every manga writers think they're the most genius writer ever.
In art doesn't matter, just draw. I know lots of high-tier artist that doesn't even get recognition.

I need one of you to draw my manga

>>7606536
will do for free, as long as I can turn the love interest into a super tall bbw

>>7606339
Mine doesn't either, but I don't shit up the thread about it.

>>7606437
Yeah I've got one, very useful. One trick I learned is to sketch my panels on cheap paper first, then trace them over onto comic boards using the lightbox.

>>7606586
is that yours? if so awesome

>>7606592
Yeah that's mine, but it's a little old at this point. I'm not working on that project any more.
Glad you like it though

looks like this is gonna be another 0 page day

>>7606812
There's still time to change that.

>>7606599
What are you working on now?

>>7606447
When you post pictures of your art/comic and get exactly zero replies when you used to get some because people have become accustomed to your quality of art that it's now "normal."

>>7607112
Giant robots

>>7607119
kek, mid artist gets no replies in /ic/ but yeah you already made it

>>7607178
Got any drawings to post??!!?? I like your lines.

okay went back and redid some things that were bothering me from the previous pages
still lots of things that bug me but i'd rather address them as I move forward as opposed to redoing previous pages

also finished this spread, my shit has been a mess but hopefully i'll be able to draw way more moving forward

>>7607380
>>7607381
Nice. What are your plans with this comic?

It was good practice but I'm gonna scrap it. Doesn't actually fit the scene as I have it in my head.

I'm making a comic but it doesn't really fit within a manga style. Am I allowed to post it here?

>>7607543
good work ethic

>>7607547
yes, these threads are p dead anyways

>>7606874
its too late, but I won't make the mistake again today

meow-nga

Anybody else got an issue with erasers taking away pen work too? I use microns, but after erasing, the pen work underneath looks lighter

>>7607604
It definitely happens. Sometimes it can be useful for effects, but otherwise it hurts the inking because trying to go back over the same lines will rarely look good.

This is why most inkers use dip-pens with india ink

>>7607473
finish it, publish it on sites like mangapluscreators and then move on to the next project

>>7607604
>I use microns, but after erasing, the pen work underneath looks lighter
yes, this is normal
a bit of a pain in the ass

Why are there a lot of amazing comic artist that only does commission instead of making their own work ? Not sure if related but does great stories just doesn't sell ?

>>7607666
What makes you think they can make great stories?

>>7607666
mostly they don't get the time and chance to make their good story in peace, otherwise a good comic with decent art and story paired with some attentive marketing is guaranteed some level of success no matter what, no luck needed

>>7607632
>>7607613
did a panel with some harder pens and I think it reduced the fadeout, which is good. might just start doing the crosshatching and detailing after the erasing

>>7607666
I think that not everybody has the "storytelling" creative spirit. their more focused on creating something visually beautiful to touch people, and arent as interested in touching people with characters and plots.

>>7607686
I find ballpoints actually work nicely and have a neat effect

>>7607691
yeah Ive been using some super thick ones, and some thin ones

Does anyone have that vid about the ice skating manga showing the sequence of movements on the page? was pretty cool but I can't find it.

>>7607613
I have issues with both. The good news is if you use a non photo blue pencil you don't have to erase at all, so I just do that. Not great for sharing sketches though.

>>7607988
>non photo blue pencil
Never works for me, the scanner still picks it up but the color is so faint that no program can reliably remove it without fucking up the lineart with it.

Do general readers feel annoyed by "tell-don't-show" element like pic related or maybe it's just me who feel annoyed by this lazy way of "how to I let my readers know that this character's father is gone"?
Yes, I know that having to draw one extra page just to show her father is gone is just not worth the effort, hence why I ask this.

>>7608423
No, that's a fine way to give information. What people generally don't like is a text box of narration describing such things as if the author just pasted his own character notes onto the page.

Revealing information in natural dialog is the best way to do it. To show her father "leaving" would probably require a flashback that was very obviously just for that purpose, and flashbacks are quite cheesy when done like that.

>>7608423
Its a little clunky if you think about it in the context of the world within the story (who needs to explain to a guy his own father's name?) but it is one of those things you can just sort of accept by nature of sometimes, this is just how you have to get info to the reader.

>>7608423
It's fine you're overthinking it.

Is 5-8 years of art evolution the most realistic timeframe I can expect regarding going from left to right? I value art skills as much as I do storytelling, and while some weekly manga artists might improve in the span of 5 years due to drawing 80 pages per month, I'm an adult with a job so the best is can do is 50 pages one-shots (working on 2 right now) and, if I start anything beyond that, 20 pages chapter released any 2/3 months.

Smurf isn't even my main inspiration (I'm currently doing master studies of FF7/8 era Nomura and Kazushi Hagiwara) at all, but he's a realistic outcome considering I'm self taught, and most likely more reachable when it comes to technical skill and visuals quality than gods in the industry like Boichi or Murata if I'm working on a comic for 10+ years while trying to constantly improve.

>>7608563
You can be at right asap if you trace more specially realistic faces. Just takes more time.

>>7608564
>faces
Literally what I am grinding rn, though my biggest issue is hands, clothing and lack of perspective according to people I asked for critique.
I'm learning how to draw by doing observational studies and watching videos mainly btw, outside of perspective and form I'm not planning to pick up Loomis, etc. beyond basic forms and instead go directly for anatomy for sculptors and breaking down photos of body builders and such for improving my figure drawing skills.
The comic on the left is from a year ago btw, I got a little bit better as of now

>>7608563
do a bunch of studies of the style and then immediately and most importantly apply a similar style of shading on the anatomy and form knowledge you already have and you'll be a lot of the way there already, no?
i'm not good myself so just theory crafting here. doing a bunch of manga specifically is probably just detrimental because you set a default standard of quality and process and then just get faster at it i'd think, or that's if you want your current project to look at all cohesive from page to page anyway. so essentially:
punch through to close to their level with a lot of time on a single page > repeat while bringing down the time it takes > profit? + some specific studies to accelerate improvement from page to page after identifying weaknesses? i'd imagine you can get really good already in a year

>>7608563
Gabe. Just fucking draw. Stop this. If you want to draw like that, then get drawing and stop worrying about time frames. It's completely irrelevant what a "realistic timeframe" is to get artwork that looks like that. Just make your fucking comics and stop obsessing over copying other people.

>>7608579
>doing a bunch of manga specifically is probably just detrimental because you set a default standard of quality and process and then just get faster at it i'd think
No, not how it works. At least not how it's worked out for me. Please stop theorybroing people astray.

>>7608595
>Please stop theorybroing people astray.
lol fair enough maybe i should put the theory to the test. doesn't your stuff then at least look incohesive or is the progress just so gradual that you won't notice it? i've read long running stuff and it's of course true that they sometimes improve during it but i've never seen improvement i'd call especially fast. that's to say that it was detrimental to their progress. but of course there'd be a spectrum to it

if you want to have good art to go along with your comic you can't just work on one thing and neglect the other, you have to study artists you like and open those anatomy books, nobody tells you how much having appealing, professional looking art actually helps until the general public and companies start to notice you. art is your presentation card and if your story is good they will stay.

New work "Our Band Became Bards in Another World!"

>>7608238
Do you not balance the levels in your art program? Just scan in monochrome and adjust contrast and brightness manually. Don't rely on programs to do it for you they always suck.

How do you do to finish pages quickly without losing quality?
My dream is to finish an oneshot manga, but it takes me forever to produce the pages and in the end the quality is crap, inferior to my normal drawings, not to mention that drawing manga is painfully boring, and I think that feeling only makes things worse because it makes me try to finish faster and worsens the quality. I'm almost asking the doctor for Ritalin just for when I'm drawing manga.
Oh, and after reading Framed INK, I would like to know if anyone has a basic cheat sheet for “panel placement, lighting, etc. = feeling and meaning.” I read the book, liked it a lot, but when it came time to decide on panel placement, I realized that I don't know how to apply it well.

>>7609024
Try adding quality control strategies, so you can more consistantly draw at a high quality without having to be in the zone always.
Things like, having some tried and tested poses that always work which you can loosely copy, same for facial expressions. Have a ref sheet of your characters which you can copy when you find your proportions begin slipping.
Do the work in a less linear way, that is to say, do the hard to draw panels first when you have energy, and the easier stuff when you are tired.

I think having that kind of cheat sheet is a good idea, but what that looks like is unique to every artists and you should have your own, either mentally in your head or actualy drawn on paper

>>7608913
cute art!

In Clip Studio, what settings do you guys use for manga making?

>>7609076
Explain further, if you mean the page thing that's on ex

>>7609091
Yes, page settings, resolution, etc. If you even use the default manga format option at all or if you just create an illustration project.

>>7609024
Use shortcuts, trace, don't focus on small details too much. Start off with smaller projects, post your work so you get motivation. Just listen to music or YT so it doesn't get boring.

>No anons making action manga/comics on /mmg/

Tsk tsk tsk...

>>7608423
Including the fathers name is a little clunky, I think it would read fine as "ever since your father left" unless there's a specific reason why I should know his name.
In general I don't mind it, it's the big blocks of text that kill the flow of the story that you should avoid.

>>7609095
On ex there's an option to set up the pages when you make a new file, i don't know if there's still the pre-set option of the young jump resolution, but i have it if you wanted to

Can anyone please tell me what the best place to upload my series to would be?
1. It will be free to read because I don't think I'm good enough to get published or make money from it. Also I want to keep the rights to my work (I mean, I don't want to be tricked out of ownership of my work by some shady company's terms of service).
2. It will read in a western comic order (left to right) and not be in a webtoon style.
3. It will have violence and gore on a level similar to Berserk, but no sexual violence/rape.
From what I've seen it seems like Globalcomix might be the best choice (though I only skimmed info about this site so I might have missed something). Some other sites I looked up had rules against too much violence.

>>7609024
You can have fast or you can have quality. Not both.
Fast is about making a compromise on quality to finish it quicker. Quality is about making a compromise on speed to make it look nicer. You can't do both, not on your own.
Drawing comics is a different beast from drawing illustrations, and it takes a lot of experience to find a compromise of speed and quality that works for you. By the time somebody is getting published they've either found that compromise or are close to finding it. If you're wondering why pros can do it and you're struggling with it, that's why. So don't think you're doing something wrong. This search for the right compromise of quality vs fast is a huge part of improving.

>>7609076
I just use the default 600 DPI B4 color/grayscale page, but with the print borders adjusted to match my publisher's specs.

>>7609339
I would say mpc or pixiv, i tried with globalcomix but i got 4 people read my work

>>7609503
Thank you for the suggestions.

Speaking of pixiv what was about pixiv comics, i nerver look into what it was

>>7609339
Globalcomix is a good place. I haven’t had issues uploading there, and mine has nudity.

>>7609167
Not true!

>>7609901
Nice

>>7609167
aecast anons recent chapter is almost nothing but pages and pages of violence what are you talking about

can microns and other pens achieve a similar effect to dip pens? I've been trying to use dip pens for a while, but they're so frustrating to use. Half of the nibs I get don't flow properly, or if they pick up a speck of paper, and it clogs it, causing the lines to be huge, maybe I haven't mastered it, but this shits so hard to control compared to microns.

>>7610753
Wash your nibs lightly before use. They're coated with something that I don't remember, but it makes them hard to use out of the box.

>>7610753
So just use microns. The only reason to use G-pen is to have a wider variation in line weights without needing to build the lines up. In short, once you master it, g-pens are quicker. But similar lines are perfectly achievable with other tools, they just generally require building the lines (so it's slower than doing it in one stroke) or insane control (brush inking). G-pens aren't your only option.

>>7610801
You know they make several different sizes of Microns, right? You don't really need to "build up" the lines with one single pen.

>>7610753
How do you use dip pens and similar tools without causing a giant blot on the page? How do they NOT cause a huge blot the second they touch the paper? I'm too scared to use them.

>>7610834
To get the same kind of variation as with a g-pen you kinda do though. Like in that anon's pic, you'd need to build up a line like this with microns.

>>7610758
Yeah, ive tried that, even putting them under heat for a second, doesnt seem to help much, although maybe I could try it again.
>>7610801
I feel like the constant dipping might negate that, although I dunno, the flow you can create with them is beautiful, especially with hair and eyebrows.
>>7610839
Thats the biggest problem, when they just randomly explode, after working well for a few pages,

>>7610856
If you're skilled, you can achieve any of those lines with a micron. Some of those lines, like her cheek, actually look like they've been gone over again even with a dip nib.

I think people fail to realize just how much variety there is in nib size with microns. I usually only use 3-4 sizes (.03, .05, .08, and the brush pen) and you can get lines like that with any of those.

That being said, I think there are a lot of tricks you can get out of microns that most people don't really think about. After using them for years and years, I have some old ones that can give very different looks even if we're talking about the same size. .05 is primarily the size I use, but I have probably 6-8 of that same pen. Some are partially dried out, which I find are great for hatching or sketchy details, while the newer ones give darker, more full looking lines.

>>7610753
You can use microns. Dip pens are just cheap/durable and basically the only thing that can use india ink. Besides a brush, but if india ink dries on your brush your fucked and have to buy a new one. But if it dries on your dip pen just scrape it off or change the nib. Plus if you are making a trad manga you will blow through microns and it will get expensive. The best bang for the buck is where dip pens shine.

>>7611003
>Plus if you are making a trad manga you will blow through microns and it will get expensive. The best bang for the buck is where dip pens shine
NTA but my experience is that dip pen nibs get worn down very fast

>>7610989
>I think people fail to realize just how much variety there is in nib size with microns. I usually only use 3-4 sizes (.03, .05, .08, and the brush pen) and you can get lines like that with any of those.
No, I understand that. Drawing the thin lines with a thin micron then switching to a larger one to thicken it in parts is exactly what I'm talking about when I say "building up the line" as opposed to doing it in one smooth stroke as with a dip pen.

>>7611019
Thats crazy, are you buying quality nibs like Speedball and Zebra? Ive had nibs last up to a year. My biggest problem with microns is I press too hard and the felt tip slowly disappears. Plus my workflow has alot of erasing and the india ink holds up better to that abuse.

>>7611048
I was using Tachikawa. Is this a bad brand? Maybe I'll give another shot with a Speedball or something.

>>7604430
whoahhh

>>7611056
Thats a good brand. Are you using the fire method for removing the oil on the nib? If you heat up the nib too much you will ruin its temper and the nib wont last. If that doesnt work, and your good at keeping your nib wet in use and cleaning it after use. Then there's nothing wrong with not using dip pens and just using a micron or other pens if they work best for you.

>>7604232
this looks like a fun series
>>7604212
this is a MANGA making general

>spend hundreds of hours drawing a comic
>barely anyone reads it
>after a few months it's pretty much dead
lol, just depressing

>>7611233
you expect to get a readerbase with a single crusty one shot?

>>7611233
Repeat this about 20 more times and you might be getting somewhere. Don't get into comics if you're looking for fast gratification. Or gratification at all, really.

>>7611244
this, fuck manga.

>>7609899
Thanks for letting me know.

>>7611264
Thats the idea. If you aren't having sex with your characters are you really feeling the form?

>>7611287
WTF???????

>>7611082
I love images like this
Is there a word for this? Like a drawing with a person in a cluttered space, mid 90's appeal?

>>7611298
Yeah, "fucking pain in the ass".

>>7611312
Ain't that the truth.

>>7611298
>mid 90's appeal?
What?

>>7611056
Tachikawa or Pilot are good choices. Don't use speedball it bleeds really badly and is poor quality. I will say though I got a bottle of Tachikawa and the bottle didn't seal well at all, air got in and dried it out since I didn't use it much.

>>7611075
Lime juice also works, it's slightly more acidic than lemon and does a really good job getting anything off. Something no one tells you is how easy it is to get oil on your nibs so always wipe with plain tissue paper, don't use anything that could contain moisturizers. Never touch the nib with your fingers and be cautious about anything the tip could come into contact with. If it starts repelling ink again, there's a good chance it touched something oily as it really doesn't take much. I struggled over an hour trying to whip up a meringue only to learn the fat and oil on the inner surface of the bowl I was using was keeping it from fluffing properly. It's really important.

Dip pens are really finicky and have a huge skill curve, but they're better to use for larger drawings than felt tip pens. I use both, depending on what I want or need.

>>7611233
Bro focus on comics people want to read. Also focus on marketing. Your art isn't bad if I assume you're the same doomposter. I hope you keep going.

>>7611289
>he can't feel the form of his characters
Such a pity, young master. Like having eyes but being unable to see Mt. Tai. Take the "going into drawings" pill and then you'll understand.

>>7611569
Yes, 90's

>>7612089
Yeah that smartphone, modern WACOM, Amazon Prime box, and covid toy all scream 90s to me

>>7612095
Kek

>>7612095
I think he means something like this

how long to draw to this level if I already know how to draw regular realism?

>>7612444
Instead of difuminate to smoth the different values, try to hatch them instead?

>>7612444
very long time

>>7612448
>>7612447
You were saying?

>>7612452
That's too smooth, the funny part of hatching is the illusion of shading

>>7612460
This wasn't me trying to draw manga, just art that I did a while ago. I've never tried to draw a manga until now. I've been studying Inoue and Yukinobu Tatsu (since I like the art)

>>7612452
its still going to take a long time, my point still stands, Takehiko Inoue already had several years of experience drawing other works before starting vagabond, you made a good portrait though.

>>7612444
>>7612461
So... try it. How the fuck are we supposed to know how long you're gonna take to reach "that level"? What a pointless waste of time question.

>>7612452
While it is a nice drawing, it is doing nothing at all like what the pic here >>7612444 is doing.

In that manga panel, the hatching is describing form, and giving shadow and light sourcing. In your image, the hatching is more just space filler in the background.

>Manga making general

>>7612544
Stop posting these images pointed directly at me.

>>7612544
>>7612548
>some cute girl is probably in love with me but she's just too shy to admit it
embarrassing cope

At what point do I give up on my dreams of making manga and accept the reality I'm untalented and will never amount to anything?

>>7612564
Never. As long as you draw breath, you must also draw manga.

>>7612564
right about... now

>>7612544
knowing /mmg/ i dont think there was even a girl to begin with

>>7612569
aight cya nerds

>>7612587
no please wait a minute

>>7612544
having healthy relationships isn't going to make me better at drawing. I don't need happiness

>>7612544
fuck manga, I'd trade this dogshit for a gf in a heartbeat. Not like it matters, I'm a retard and dont' deserve either

>>7612544
how to pet a gf

I was planning to start saving money for a new tablet, which kind should i get next, from a wacom intuos small to a bigger one, or one with a display

Recently completed another chapter of Wings Of Daera

https://wingsofdaera.cfw.me/comics/372/#content-start

But now I will take a good break

>>7612577
>knowing /mmg/
what makes you say that this about this general in particular
everyone here seems pretty normal to me, no one even seems to be cripplingly obsessed about making comics.
you're unironically doing what the image says by thinking that because you participate in a comic-making general no girl would ever want to date you

>>7612461
Mistakes aren't just the "beginners" realm, but also the "expert", because a lot of people who have great competence of art in one area think that means they have skill in all others. The result is usually weak storytelling, confusing sequences or a compilation of illustrations with no plot. It will either humble you, or humiliate you completely.

>>7612732
>no one even seems to be cripplingly obsessed about making comics
I wish that were true, honestly. It has a vicegrip on my sanity. I haven't been able to work on or focus on anything for like 4 weeks and it's fucking killing me.

>>7612843
I'm mostly looking at the hatching and backgrounds and that scares me the most. Realism isn't the same as moving scenes and I have no idea where to start with this.

>>7612868
For hatching best place to start is by doodling different things without attachment. When I started inking, I would take a sketchbook and draw things I saw sometimes with pen only. On days out I still do this, I might test a hatching pattern to see how I like it. Pic related is some old practice from when I was just starting out.
Selling a moving scene isn't dependant on art only but it is necessary to deliver impact and for those scenes to be given weight. It is a really common mistake for people who are new to comics to focus primarily on what they're looking at and not the stories the comics are trying to tell or how well they tell them, because they are still stuck in the consumer mindset. It's good to focus on art if you want to attract people to your work but don't mistake the flash for substance. You need writing chops.

>>7609024
Draw some really well done character poses/expressions at a larger size than needed so that you can easily alter/white out/redraw/Zoom in/zoom out

Less than 10 pages to go now, psyched to wrap up this chapter

>>7612544
People joke about this with /mmg/ but aren't several anons here confirmed to be in relationships or somehow even married?

>>7612999
Thank you. I tried digitally at first and it was so bad, so I'll try using a pen and paper for now. Any artists or youtubers you'd recommend specifically to learn manga style?

>>7612732
>surely this is about you and not the anons who make seething about women their entire personality
hit dog hollering

Does anyone else feel like it's just joever for them? No hope, no talent, watching everyone draw better than you. What the fuck am I even doing

>>7613202
what do you mean?

>>7613196
Nope. I only take inspiration from authors I admire, you should too.

>>7613019
Cute drawing but you might want to break up the effect a bit. It looks like she pooped out some goo.

>>7613260
Yukinobu Tatsu it is then
(not reddit no matter what they say)

>>7613254
No, actually.

>>7612452
I see decent anatomy. The hard part is already over, just start experimenting and teaching yourself how to do manga style.

>>7613258
How can you expect to make good manga if you don't even have basic reading comprehension?

>>7613254
Sorry, it's genetic. Just like hairloss is, or height is. It all depends on what side of your brain has control, so be glad you can do math/STEM. I can't, but I can draw.

Will reading and observing manga make me better at drawing

>>7613331
this is what we call being a weeb
a lot of people do this

>>7613319
I can't do either

>>7613373
Then God is telling you something.

>>7613019
Is it just me or the artstyle looks less csm? Anyway good work, cute feet.

>>7613262
how many different tones is this?

>>7613441
The top panel? Just looks like 1 tone to me, with hatching to make the values into a gradient. Apart from than the clothes I mean.

>>7613441
pre-screentones

>>7613453
this is much easier to study, thanks. Where can I find more like this?

>>7613455
The Twitter account name is in the filename
Not sure if they ever posted more than these though

Clip studio is on sale now, for that anon who was asking about to pirate since he bought the pro version instead of ex

>>7614062
Nta but Im interested so thanks.

>>7613453
If I just skipped the digital slop, would this pic be good enough for a professional manga?

>>7614062
>Clip Studio is on sale, y'all!
>Oh and don't forget to buy the $1k drawing tablet that you need

>>7613456
>>7613453
>>7613262
Thanks for posting this, very informative. Can we make it a thing for people to post manga pages they find educational/impactful here?

I know there are "post your fav manga page" threads, but we really should just start posting stuff here and discussing/analyzing things.

>>7614271
Are you serious?
That IS a professional manga. And not only that, it's one of the higher-tier ones when it comes to the artwork. It's well beyond "good enough" for a professional manga.
>If I just skipped the digital slop
There's a reason they were digital dude. Even this guy who went through the effort of drawing that page the way he did still chose to (presumably) do the effects, tones, panel borders and cleanup digitally. Why do you think that is?

>>7614360
It's not like pages like these haven't been posted here before dude, or do you want people to just keep reposting the same pages ad nauseum in every thread?

>>7614062
That was me, thanks for the heads up

>>7614064
>>7614388
You welcome

>>7614287
I do everything on it, and i just have a wacom small, is not really necessary have a pricy one

>>7614362
shutup idiot

>>7614362
shutup idiot

>>7614570
really cute!

>>7614570
next fujimoto right here

it's >Kengan but I've been drawing some indoors background recently which looked a little plain and it took this page to make me realize just add lines to the walls/floor and it'll look less empty

>>7604276
I have nothing against your drawings, but you could improve. You've stagnated. You've been uploading that character for years, always with the same shitty quality.

Don't say "pyw."

>>7614581
Hasn't he been working on the same comic for years? We all could improve through

>>7614580
nice use of screentones, and ya adding lines/texture dots will feel a lot more real

>>7604212
Because, personally, I find the format uninteresting and very limiting

>>7614586
>We all could improve through
Stagnating and having room for improvement are different things. One is acceptable. The other is not

If I put in hard work, draw a lot, and invest a lot of time in this, I'll be successful right?

>>7614694
There's no guarantees but you can't succeed without all of that.

>>7614694
Yeah buddy, yeah...

>>7614694
lmao check out this optimistic idiot

>>7614581
If you observe you'll see most comic arists / mangaka reach a point of "good enough" where they feel they convey their story clearly, and then they "stagnate". It's very rare that I have seen an artist just improve constantly and through their whole careers.

Unfortunately, everyone has a different peak and some are not going to reach as high as others.

>>7614570
>rat walking away with the food
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!

>>7614581
how is that shitty?

>>7614581
>>7614628
Hi anon, I'm not an angry defensive 'pyw' type, thanks for the feedback, I'm constantly trying to improve at everyaspectof comic making. I agree my art is not the best, but I believe my storytelling and paneling atleast has improved slightly. The last Oi comic came out February 2024. I don't work on it anymore, but recently I randomly got a bunch of pinup commissions of my old Oi characters, mainly Dana the skeleton witch. It's not the best art but atleast it's much better than my drawings and pinups from a few years ago. What do you recommend I do to improve?

The latest comic I'm working on is called Cosmic Crush. You can read it here, what do you think?
https://m.tapas.io/series/Cosmic-Crush/

I don't have much time to work on art anymore and I tried to make this in color to get a webtoon audience. Color takes me way too long to do so I'm planning to make the next updates in black and white so I can get pages out faster, and that way I can also focus more on lineart. What advice do you have for me?

>>7604276
To compare, this is my first Dana drawing from some years ago, and ripped off Ryuko pose with bad anatomy. I improved over time but I'm not Inoue or anything. I've mainly tried to get better at writing and storytelling and getting my art closer to popular basic manga stylization. But maybe you are right and I should do some hard grinding to try and go up a few levels from where I am now.

>>7614746
Art is the least imporatnt thing for manga and you're already past the minimum threshhold anyways. That alien fangirl comic looks great and the composition is good, don't get crabbed by random nodraws.

>>7614746
>that cover
Gives me Rob Zombie vibes lol. Love your stuff Omeow.

>>7614741
nows the time for digital art short cuts, as based as being /trad/ is, personally, you could try colouring your line art for a sleeker finish, you could probably test it out by masking the line art layer. (if you choose to color your comic, you could also try this in regular art pieces)

>>7614746
Nothing wrong with some more practice. You still crush the craniums in a lot at the hair part for some reason. Bodies generally look okay its faces and skulls that look off.

does this read OK? been sitting on these sketches for a week, I've tweaked the script so much it feels like gibberish now

>>7614904
I forget how to read your stuff every time. It's like a typewriter, right? Left to right, then back down and repeat?

>>7614906
top to bottom, then left to right

>>7614917
Oh ok that was it. Lemme try

>>7614917
Ok it took me two reads, but I get it. I think part of this bit requires the reader to see that there is a doppelganger in this scene, and that's hard to tell since its' just a sketch. So, not technically a fault of the writing, just polish.
Which is obviously temporary

>>7614945
thanks, there's a strip in the page before that introduces the doppelgangers, so it might be better in context
I get so focused on the script sometimes I forget how important the visual part is

>>7614757
Thanks, I think going to black and white will motivate me to work on it more.
>>7614760
Thnx, it's Misfits font and a kill la kill ripoff pose. I am harsher on my own old stuff than even my biggest haters XD
>>7614763
Thanks for the advice, I finally got clip studio after your guys advice and look forward to learning how to incorporate 3D assets and photo backgrounds in to my manga work.
>>7614873
Thank you. You're right, other anons have told me this too. I used to draw heads too big, and so over time I began overcompensating to the point I am drawing heads too small. Luckily I think a few days of grinding faces and heads in my sketchbook+ being conscience of it should fix up my head drawing issues. I like /ic more than /conspiracy because I get so much helpful advice here. I don't post my work looking for validation or enpty praise, I appreciate all the helpful advice and feedback pointing out what I need to improve at and what I'm doing wrong.

>>7614978
>/conspiracy
*/co, sorry for phoneposting

>>7615125

>>7615128

>>7615129
some details are missing like her bag but I will add later

>>7615130
Lol. Chuckled.

>>7614904
Do you have any socials anon? I don't know to look profiles on globalcomix so i couldn't check of you have any

Please...just let my comics be popular and gain a fanbase. I worked so hard...I wish I was a cute girl so I could start an onlyfans and kickstart my fanbase that way

my drawing schedule be like
>sketched out 20 pages
>0 pages
>drew 2 pages
>drew 2 pages
>0 pages
>0 pages
>drew 1 page
>drew 3 pages
>0 pages
>0 pages
and if I had drawn 1 page a day, I'd be ahead by one page but way more exhausted and miserable

>>7615408
same. drawing comics can be so tedious sometimes.

>>7615372
Troon out. You just need to actualize self-belief, and you can successfully pass as a woman.

anybody got advice as to using screentones in clip?
cool effects like the tone gradually fading like in >>7614580 seem to look shit whenever I give it a try

Should we have a post were we could reply with our socials? I mean is kinda tiring asking every anon to post theirs

>>7615527
Check the angle, and the degradation

>>7615528
how am i gonna crab somebody if they can look at my profile and see how much worse i am

>>7615535
Is not like if we are going to force people, even i haven't posted mine1, and i don't plant to do it, but still wanna follow fellow anons like i already do

>>7615527
The trick is that there is no trick. It's just values. Get your values right or it looks wack.

>>7615527
>gradually fading
literally just apply a regular gradient then click the tone button in layer properties
lighten the gradient or lower the opacity and the program automatically lightens the screentone as well

>>7615527
I copy my favorite mangakas and whatever they do, and I'm not very good at it desu.

If there's something I really don't like with screentones, I just switch to a multiply layer and play around with the opacity until I like it.

>>7615229
I've had a few, I forget about them regularly. I'm on odysee for now
https://odysee.com/@HokeyChimera:fa2b84e52609ffd6ce72316a78b5a415ad370d61

>>7615554
thanks, helped me figure that out

Not my art btw, but is this level of lineart, volume and detailing sustainable to mantain if I'm planning to work on bi-monthly chapters yet I'm around lower intermediate level in terms of skill and still studying fundamentals, or I'm just delusional?
I can show my soon to be finished pages from my first one-shot as proof of my current skill if anyone's interested, but I want to know just how detailed I can make a comic look without a deadline if I'm not exactly a good artist either

>>7615722

>>7615722
Dumbass question, only you know how fast you can draw. Stop posting porn and get back to work.

I draw until the page looks good enough to show other human beings, so there's no telling how long it takes. Its usually a couple of hours but I eventually have to cut my losses and move on or else I'd never finish anything.

>>7615722
Dont listen to retards about that skill level shit, if its good enough to be published (which it is), and is appealing enough (which it is), then stop worrying about it, improvment will come if you keep at it. That looks detailed enough, but if you think you can get away with taking away detailing, then try it. most hentai isnt super detailed because people arent looking at most of the art, just the face

>>7614570
HAHAHAHAHA don't even know if there's context cute art too.

>>7614978
Hell yeah brother this is why I like you. No hugboxing and no shitting and crying either. Just taking crit and moving on. GMI vibes.

>>7615802
>if there's context
I posted it above
>>7615130

>>7605143
>it'll look 1:1
press X to doubt. post the studies.

>>7615722
Monthly probably not. Bi monthly maybe.
The only way you'll know what your limits and work ethic looks like is to do it. It's going to be hard to maintain this level of quality throughout, but two months is a lot of time if you are dedicated to it.

Does anyone have this book

>>7615722
>>7615723
Everything is perfect, but it looks boring and static.

>>7615722
What kind of retarded post is this?
Is it too much work to post your work along side it? Or even after the post? No, instead you post 2 images that aren't your work.
The coombrain memes are real.

Small comic wip

>>7616092
>>7616026
My current skill level (cherry-picking pieces with comparable inking and my average) is pic related btw. My goal for now is to improve my core craft as far as possible doing one shots with simple storytelling so I can focus on my core artwork skills and make it look more professional, I'm almost completing a "bible" detailing the world building and various characters of my setting alongside various concept art.
The pics I posted is what I consider a good enough reachable within a few years from where I am skill level, where I can stop doing one shot and focus on short and long series with multiple chapters.

>>7616027
https://www.natomanga.com/manga/dr-mashirito-s-ultimate-manga-techniques/chapter-1

>>7616112
Oh ok i've seen you before I think in the OC redraw thread.

You're like if Gabe spent less time on rendering and more time on hatching.
For all the crap he gets, he isn't a bad artist per se, and neither are you.
My advice, start your comic now just dont make it your magnum opus.
A lot of people here will tell you art is the least important thing about comics, but there is alot of cope in that. Always be improving your art, and there are a lot of things that dont translate from regular work, into comic/manga making, like flow and angle variety for example.

>>7616177
Anon, that IS Gabe.

>>7615567
Wh... what's a odysee?

>>7616178
...whoops.
time to off myself

>>7616112
Hemming and hawwing about whether you are good enough to do something only to draw a page a month and quit is how more "skilled" artists get routinely dusted by absolute amateurs who draw like they have a fire under their ass.

As well if people hated me for being tiresome about asking the same questions ad nauseum I would not even show my face without having done something worth mentioning. You look like an embarrassing do nothing.

>>7616177
>art is the least important thing about comics
So fucking cope. A visual medium where the visual part is the least important? Lmfao.

OPM is the exception, not the norm. And if Murata hadn't picked up the art, most people would've never heard of OPM at all. Fuck drawing though, and fuck manga.

>>7616186
lbry frontend, media is distributed through bittorrent and metadata is hosted on a blockchain
tldr chud youtube

>>7616257
I think there's a ceiling where adding more details doesn't significantly improve the quality of a comic. It gets skimmed for 1 sec even double spread pages.
There's also an argument that most comics suffer from poor writing, so a strong writer with beginner-level art can still outshine most manga.
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/titles/100519

>>7616277
details =/= quality
Art is the cinematography of the comic. A good comic is told partly by the writing and partly by the art. It is a unique medium that perfectly blends the two, and one cannot exist without the other.

>>7616262
no wonder it's so slow, who uses this dogshit.

>>7616284
People doing illegal shit

>>7616262
Will try to save the link, but i doubt i will make an account

>>7616279
Yap yap, just arguing overly detailed comics aren't gonna make you profit. Just a simple fact.

>bro just spend decades of your life hunched over a desk spending a dozen hours drawing a page someone will glance over in 10 seconds, in an extremely competitive market with no reward for the overwhelming majority of the participants
Every day I die a little inside as reality seems to remind me that I'm NGMI

>>7616290
I don't expect anyone to, it's niche, I use it 'cause I think it's cool

>>7616292
Don't yap yap me, In filmmaking, the script tells the actor what to say, but it is up to the actor to bring it to life, and that is half the job.

The art in comics is the actor, and it carries just as much weight as the story, it is not secondary, nor is it primary, they are a balance of the two, and both must be given keen attention.

>>7616292
nta but is your beg comic earning profit then?

>>7616305
If you can reach manga art ceiling, it's better to go more quantity than quality. TLDR.

>>7616309
we're at /mmg/ successful people don't lurk here, they're too busy drawing

Is the webcomic industry just more worthwhile in the west? I feel like I should just start a webcomic about some stupid cat to get fans and patrons. Manga just seems way harder.

>>7616177
Anon that's gabe. He's been posting these same questions over and over again for years. Still has yet to complete even a single chapter of anything.

>>7616257
Damn dude, you need to pick up one of them manga magazines one day so you can see for yourself how little art matters.

>>7616389
where is your beg manga that's selling millions of volumes

>>7616391
My shit isn't selling millions of volumes but if you want examples of works that did just look at the many, many gag series that ran in Jump dude. Plenty had bad art.
Even if you ignore gag manga, again, just pick up an issue of a magazine and you'll find works with meh art that sell just fine.
Why are you pretending you need to sell millions of copies to be a successful comic author?

>>7616394
these people may not have the best art but they still have appeal and are able to express their ideas well and even then their art is not as atrocious as you want to make it seem, thinking art doesn't count is delusional, if it wasn't important why are manga magazines actively putting up ads and recruiting artists to work on stories

>>7616405
I'm pretty sure he is simply saying that the art simply needs to service the story. You can have the best art around from a technical standpoint, but it might make for a boring as fuck story if it is just a bunch of pretty pictures to look at. There are some comics and manga like this too.

A lot of top-selling manga has fairly mediocre art. Some people are practically only familiar with WSJ, and you can make the argument that some of the most popular series to come from that in recent days range from "mediocre" to actually borderline "bad" art, but it doesn't really matter, because the art is in service of the story, and it is usually still compelling enough to keep readers engaged.

>>7616394
>>7616389

what always puzzles me is the want to ignore even trying for good art, like we all see a few examples of some less developed artists that are published (not you porn anon) and its almost like an excuse to not try and create something more, or better ones self.

on that note, I can't think of any media where the art is truly fantastic and the story drags it down, the art can always out carry the concept.

>>7616648
>the want to ignore even trying for good art
What are you even talking about? The point is that you don't necessarily need good art, not that good art isn't still a plus or that it shouldn't still be strived for.

>>7616663
of course no one NEEDS good art. my point is a lot of people here seem to use that fact as an excuse to settle or stagnate.
>not that good art isn't still a plus
I just think it has to be more then a plus, not a thing to check off a list, a reason to do the entire project.

>>7616671
It's good advice for beginners, make them actually start shit, No one is limiting their artistic abilities, they'll eventually improve to have serviceable art or become master level.
Don't turned into Gabe who can't start shit. Talk is always cheap.

>>7616671
>my point is a lot of people here seem to use that fact as an excuse to settle or stagnate.
Are you talking theoretically or something? Everybody here is trying to improve.

I think the takeaway here is everyone is starting to get sick of people coming into the thread and asking "why should I make a comic?" instead of "how do I make a comic?"

>>7616784
where should I make a comic?

>>7616784
If you ask something technical nobody cares,
If you say some low effort bait, everyone loves replying just cause that's their only expertise.
That's why /ic/ is shit.

>>7616712
Stagnation is an unwarranted fear from people who haven't spent enough time doing comics. I had a point about 2 years in where I was looking at things and worried it wasn't really getting much better, but that improvement became stark the very next year. Professionals only have this problem decades into their careers where style and knowledge peaks and they don't need to learn more to do their job. The problem is if you are working your ass off at the same rate as a weekly or monthly serial, then you 100% have some kind of brain problem because the sheer amount of things you need to learn makes that actually impossible.

>>7616804
I do/did but imo getting "nuh uh'd" by the esl sudacan menace can be annoying. I routinely help people who need it.

>some coomerbait comic with AI drawn girls gets thousands of likes
>the guy probably spent 1 hour with prompts and collaging everything together
>will probably earn hundreds per month on patreon soon with this low effort garbage
>I spent a decade learning to draw and hours on a single panel
>average 10 likes
Fucking lol, what a sick joke this all is. Fuck this gay earth

last time im going to this much coloring into anything webcomic related for a while

>>7617520
Really nice my guy. Keep it up!

>>7617521
thank you!

I started a test page. But it's too realistic style. >>7612452

>>7617556
Line it and post it, it'll give a better idea of your style

How do you export/resize pages with all the binary lines and screentones? They're looking real garbo when I try to resize to 50%, with and without anti aliasing

>>7617519
>wow, fast food chain rakes in billions annually, better quit as a professional chef

Metaphorically, there are people who will happily pay money to drink piss, but fewer who will pay a dollar to try foie gras. You can convince them to pass off on AI, but that doesn’t mean potential customers for you. Focus on the people who are in-line with what you provide, like how small restaurants compete with bigger chains.

>>7618069
Set to export as illustration instead of as comic

>>7617619
it's over
what did I do wrong?
I used inoue as reference

>>7618845
That looks good, bro. What's your problem?

>>7614741
This is really cute. Honest question, how much time goes into researching alien culture stuff? Or do you just browse /x/ a lot?

>>7618853
I think I overdid the hatching
but something's off. Perhaps Inoue uses something else other than a pen.

>>7618845
needs more moe

>>7618845
The figure looks great, but you might not be using the right type of pen, or the right type of pen stroke for what you want to achieve.

holy shit.... I just figured it out.

Photoshop....

>>7618932
Now you're thinking like a real mangaka.

>>7618941
That was pretty easy actually, not sure what all the fuss about art is all about. I spent maybe 30 minutes photoshopping it and it looks like it could be a panel from Berserk already. Now I just have to replace the staircase with something cleaner and do the second panel.

>>7618845
>>7618932
in two concepts, line confidence, and value;

you're hatching is too imprecise and inconsistent, and its quite a bit looser then inoues. i noticed a similar issue in your coloured pencil sketch but that media can disguise it by the method of layering colour, on ink it sticks out like a sore thumb

notice he uses it define texture and form (panel 2) it is uniform and considered, I think you'd benefit from having defined blacked out shapes of solid value, then hatching towards that with a gradient. (on her hair, top of her shirt, under shirt, legs) you are also gonna struggle defining dark sky without screen tones (its totally possible, see artists like Frank Booth, or Melissa B. Tubbs)

further push your values, have your lights be lighter and your darks be darker, its why the photoshopped image appeals more, the moon is able to be actually defined as the lightest part of the panel,

>>7618948

Thanks for the feedback.

>you're hatching is too imprecise and inconsistent
Yup, knew this from the start. It's actually insanely difficult when you need to hatch this densely. I should have picked an easier scene for my first one honestly.

>you are also gonna struggle defining dark sky without screen tones
Screen tones are the dots right?

>its why the photoshopped image appeals more
I'm really considering just switching to digital or at least a combo of both. I don't know, what do you think? Make that switch or continue practicing with pencil/pen for a while more?

>>7618956
As someone who started trad and went to art school, it will always hold a soft spot in my heart, I think if you stuck it out with trad and then jumped into digital for final touch ups like adding screentones you'd have the best of both worlds.

going digital has made me significantly worse at traditional but traditional skills can swap to digital at anytime.

yes screentones are the little dots, in my opinion they are a bit of a catch 22 though, it adds a whole extra layer of complexity when defining value with hatching that I personally struggle with, so I advise caution.

you got this.

>>7618964
Thanks. I'll share the second panel maybe next thread or whenever I get the chance to do it.

>>7618845
Where you went wrong was assuming you can just do what an actual master can do first try. Hubris, anon.

>>7618863
He famously uses a brush for vagabond.

>>7618946
>and it looks like it could be a panel from Berserk already
lol. lmao.

>>7618984
>>7618982
Well... it could have been an UGLY panel from berserk... chud!

Why do I find myself sleeping when I read polished but generic artstyle than /beg/ ones, Is it just me ?

been out of the loop for a while but how's everyone doing? I've been working on something that is going to take a good while but it feels good to actually make it something real and not letting it be just an "if" in my mind.

Hope y'all doing good folks

>>7619585
why do you use pen alone? use pencil first

>>7619619
crab

>>7619619
It's digital. That's redundant.

>>7618984
Not saying you're wrong about him being so overly confident, but the average berserk panel isn't exactly mindblowing.

Like this anon could do pic rel if he stuck to it

>>7619743
not to pile on him but those panels are miles ahead of that anon in terms of line work, clarity, polish and fundamental skill. it's an okay first attempt but that's all.

>>7619754
He's using the wrong material desu. That pen isn't suited for manga.

How the FUCK do you draw bullet impacts?

>draw a shitty rough draft
>"hey chatgpt, fix it up for me"
>it outputs what you desire exactly

it's over, isn't it?

>>7619769
>he doesn't have bullet hole stickers on his pickup truck
ngmi

>>7619769
Depends on the material being hit.

>>7619799
any examples or tutorials? I have a lot of stories I want to create but can't draw that well

>>7619878
It's alright I guess. It looks good enough, but only if you drew something out already. Problem is I'd be worried people could tell you used AI assets

>>7619754
>>7619743
I need to redo it. I'm looking at manga artwork and it seems like I utilized hatching wrong.

>>7619769
Probably not the best example, but I think small explosive lines within bigger explosive lines on target with dust clouds around it and lots of debris can sorta convey bullet impact.

I'm slowly starting to figure it out guys

But the style is shifting...

>>7620102
What on earth did you do to the railings?

>>7620106
I digitalized it, will color it in later.

>>7620116
continuing.

I'm new with digital too so it may look weird. Everything is new to me right now.

>>7619862
The guns I'm using are laser guns and the walls are meant to be spaceship wall. I have no idea how that would look like.

>>7619968
Thanks. I think the screentones will end up doing most of the work in the end.

Also, we need a new thread guys

>>7620170
What are lasers using to do damage? Heat. Look at burn damage to whatever material your walls are supposed to be, metal I presume.

You can find plenty of pictures of actual lasers burning metal.

>>7620264
I know, but that would be mostly sparkles and flashes of light on the places the shots land. I'm not sure how I would make that work. I guess I should wait until I start shading to think about that.

NEW THREAD >>7620326
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>>7620330
It GOT DELETED! WHY? After all that work...

New thread
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>>7620335
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>>7620340
Oh you just added the tittle. Thanks a lot anon.