Asked an artist friend on how to learn to draw, he mentioned a couple concepts then dropped this ordered list
Is this legit
>Perspective/geometric forms
>Organic forms
>Anatomy
>Rendering in grayscale
>Color
You can throw in composition intermittently, including negative space control

>no mention of proportions or observational accuracy
人生はこんなにしんどいとは思わなかった

good enough, with what >>7604628 added

Nigga just ask chatgpt. You and your "friend" are vague as fuck and even if you did ask AI the AI will also give you a vague as fuck answer because you're not being specific.

>>7604628
>>7604629
well aight ill start tonight, in fact, right now

so what did you guys start off doing, trying to draw from references by breaking things into 2d and 3d shapes

or just a bunch of drills

>>7604628
You got any recommendations for drills, exercises, possibly courses or tutorials for this specific skill? I feel there must be a more solid method than just drawing a cross and trying to fit shapes within that cross

>>7604622 (OP)
Is "shitposting on 4chan" part of his recommendation?

>>7605944
I'm so glad you asked.

Dorian Iten Accuracy Exercises
Level 1: https://youtu.be/HMX3K3YMbd8
Level 2: https://youtu.be/ecJO1LnjXpA
Level 3: https://youtu.be/LPywXVsRKT0
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Use code "DORIAN" to get it for free.

Please actually get the gumroad guide. It's free, and his extended explanation makes the most sense

>>7605889
I learned just by drawing what I want and having fun for years. It was pure mileage for me, not any specific study, just observing better art and trying to copy it.

You can't become good at art by deliberately studying it, you have to have fun. There is no artist who just studied and is now good and popular. Art is not like math where you learn concepts and work on finding answers, you HAVE to draw shitty beg drawings and you HAVE to love them. People who thinkt hey can skip mileage and avoid drawing shitty drawing, end up losing their minds.

>>7605944
another addition, do the dorian Iten exercises every day, for like 30 minutes a day. Don't just do them once and go "aw helll naw" and give up. that's ngmi behavior

>>7604628
ywnbj

>>7605953
I don't get it. Is he someone famous or something? Looks like your typical youtube grifter honestly.

>>7605953
Thank you anon. Let me jerk you off and have you cum in my mouth as thanks. I am male by the way. No, no, please, I insist.

errrrrm thread getting odd

>>7605979
don't drink my cum, drink Dorian's cum

>>7606148
This is not me, I accept the handjob

>>7604622 (OP)
If someone were to just learn basic 2d and 3d shapes and then do a lot of reference drawing using these techniques
Is this the best way to start off, then upgrade your anatomy and such

>>7606600
Just draw Bridgman twice.

>>7606602
ok will this bridgman guy pose for me

>>7606600
why don't you stop asking dumb questions and start drawing?

>>7607085
i want to know the method and not just aimlessly "draw more"

>>7607128
you won't understand the method even if I told you. Because you have no experience you have no comprehension. My mind is literally more evolved than yours. I could tell you the secret right now and you'd wipe your ass with it like a retard (clinical)

No offense, by the way.

>>7607132
stop trying to hard

>>7607138
Im angry at you

>>7607166
love me

>>7607169
Do you like pina coladas?

>>7607183
and getting caught in the rain

>>7607191
I'm done with this charade

go draw NOW

>>7604622 (OP)
Learning how to make art isn't a straight line, so no. It's not legit. Ignore anyone who thinks this way because they are a faggot.

>>7607209
well yeah my friend is a faggot but ok
all i mean is it's usually just "draw more" but how, what

>>7604622 (OP)
Yeah but each art job requires different skills, like 2d anime animator require form, perspective and anatomy, nothing else matters, color is useless.

Hi

>>7604622 (OP)
Ask ChatGPT

Random Asian bump

how the fuck did he go from organic forms to anatomy? nigga was using his little contour blobs like playdough

>friend asks how to get better
>tell him exactly what to study and give him pictures to trace and copy from
>years later no improvement

>>7614725
Pretend I’m your friend and tell me the advice then

>>7614745
Take the time to repeatedly draw standing human figures by copying whatever figure (like loomis) you want exactly. Trace it and then copy it until you can draw it at similar proportions. Divide the body piece by piece and practice one part at a time to not overwhelm yourself (like start with the head, then the torso/arms, then the hips, then the legs, or do it in whatever order you want) and your fun drawings will improve over time. You just have to DRAW the same fogure over and over until you memorize it, then you can start studying other angles and already have the proportions down, making it easier to move them.

>>7614749
Is tracing something on one layer then trying to draw it from reference over and over really the way? Sounds doable

>>7614749
post your work pls

>>7614877
draw something by eyeing it, then trace it fast and loose, then compare the drawing to the trace, and try to combine them by mixing drawing and tracing until you understand the proportions of the thing you're trying.
>>7614881
uhh my IP is blocked from uploading

>>7615061
Ok I think I’ll start by doing some sort of challenge like a daily drawing of characters from a series or a certain theme that way I stick to it

>>7615065
The important thing is you have fun drawing stuff you want to draw, not just boring loomis figures. Grind and study body parts sometimes and then draw for fun other times.

>>7604622 (OP)
>>Perspective/geometric forms
>>Organic forms
>>Anatomy
These are easy to learn
>>Rendering in grayscale
>>Color
These are not.
Different software have different 'comprehension' when it comes to color, blending, and value. Dedicated painting software like procreate, ibispaint, sai, and csp have different color comprehension than photoshop.
The thing with photoshop is that its a powerful software if you know how to use it, its powerful because its an AiO software, but because its an AIO software, it also means that you will have a hard time to do a simple task because it offers all kinds of tool for your canvas that'll ended up confusing anyone who are new to Ps.
Take an example of blending. In csp all you need to do if you want to blend color is to press the blend tool and blend your color. In photoshop you can either use smudge tool or mixed media brush, if you choose any of them make sure to tick the pen pressure setting and sample all layers option on, then change your brush to hard round brush, open the brush setting and enable scattering, get the scatter value to atleast 20% so that you can achieve the ideal blending for your colors. If you use mixed media brush then there will always something to do with wet and fill option so you also have to play with value in there. Hours later you managed to get rid of eveything, finishing your value and ready to color your slop with overlay color or sof light layer, but look, the color that you put on the grayscale is now muddy and not as bright as other illustrator color, so how do you get rid of that muddy-ness in there? You play around with curve, layer minimum value, and unnecessary technical complex thing in there for hours, post processing with camera raw, curves, anything to get yourself the ideal result of your own.
This is why color is the hardest thing to do in your illustration making, because it highly dependant on the software and your technical knowledge on it

>>7615387
pyw retard

>>7615387
>These are easy to learn
>>>Anatomy

>>7615061
>uhh my IP is blocked from uploading
blog?

>>7604622 (OP)
Just train yourself the same way generative adversarial networks do:
Draw a thing.
If it looks bad, (partially) redraw it so it looks better. If you see no way to make it look better, redraw at random, or restart from scratch.
If it looks inaccurate, redraw it so it looks more accurate. If you see no way to make it look more accurate, redraw at random, or restart from scratch.

>>7604622 (OP)
>>7604628
that's legit.
If you want a neuroscience view: train yourself on bottom-up processing skills or top-down processing skills.
Learn how to build things up from first principles and learn how to break things down from observation.

That list is not going to be legit if it doesn't help you draw but whatever you draw can be divided into those items.

Your friend has said "read the sticky" and he's broken down what you'd find there in a particular way.

>>7607128
method is procedure. Many are similar(many are intended for similar ends) and are designed to suit the needs/desires of the user.

If you want something out-of-the-box, I'd recommend Vilppu, Loomis, Faragasso, or Barnstone.
For Loomis and Vilppu they'll show you a lot of drawing and all you have to do is google "fun with a pencil archive" or "drawing manual vilppu archive"

The best procedure is going to be the one you like because it helps you create what you want to.

Method is a composite of skills you can learn from your own practice or from others' practice. In neuroscience it's "operationalizing."

You can clear the snow temple with or without a strategy guide and you learn new things whether you want to or not because you'll have to and you naturally create a method because method is efficient. Not everyone clears the snow temple the same way but the snow temple will always have the same layout. The first people to clear the snow temple were "masters" and many people learned by copying their runs and don't forget they were just pushing buttons.

>>7606600
yes.
Is it easier to cook when you know how to cut vegetables and operate a stove? Do you find it helpful to cook with or without a recipe? Do you want to be a food chemist? Do you possess an intrinsic sense of "mm that tastes yummy"?


>>7605889
I started off with comics in MSPaint.
I think that the goal of both things you named is learning a skill and learning to do it unconsciously.

Seems like it all comes down to just draw a lot bro and then draw more

>>7616022
No that's mindless monkey logic.