Thread 7605029

Figure drawing is a fun and good way to get better at drawing humans.

Some free resources:

https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed
https://www.quickposes.com/en
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en
https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/random
https://www.characterdesigns.com/non-nude-photo-index
https://www.lovelifedrawing.com/tutorials/
https://app.posemy.art/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/hands-feet-practice
https://www.rkgk.org/

Might as well check the archives and active /ic/ threads for references:

https://warosu.org/ic/thread/7019067#p7019080
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/2015637
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/6864584
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/2023233
https://4chanarchives.com/board/ic/thread/2015637

Previous thread >>7592159

A bunch of 1 min gestures

>>7604528
>no ctrl+z

>asuka anon leaves
>thread devolves into shitflinging
It usually never gets this derailed. Guess his (you)s were keeping everyone sane

>>7605055
Just ignore drama

Why does Steve Huston only draw guys for his finished pieces?

>>7605052
Hardly an issue. Gouache and oil painting are very editable mediums. You can also always cover and repaint sections you don't end up liking too.

Gave 30 secs gestures a shot... Feel like some came out better than others but overall not very happy with the outcome, suppose I just need to do more of these

>>7605403
why are you only giving yourself 30 seconds?

>>7605405
Should I be giving myself more time for simple gestures? I thought 30s was the "standard", do you recommend more? A minute or so?

>>7605413
was only curious, thats all, what do you gain from doing really fast gestures drawings

>>7605422
not op, but I think it's fun (which pushes motivation). good warm up. also enough for getting the motion right (which is a valid excessive). etc

Yesterday's daily

>>7605295
Start posting some trad then boyo

I'm gonna study this guy's slampig stuff for a few weeks.

I did a few 60 sec gestures. I'm never happy with my gestures. Are these any good? I feel like I don't improve no matter how many I do.

>>7605651
whomst?

>>7605403
>>7605669
that one youtuber who is shilling that 1 hr of 1 min gestures daily is really crippling a lot of begs, aren't they?

>>7605682
idk some guy who posts on here.

1 min. I busted my wrist yesterday so I tried a new grip. I'll try to rest up maybe I'll do one or two Bridgman pages just to keep up with it.

>>7605729
gonna make it

(already made it?)

some ugly 2 mins today

>>7605732
Thank you, but no way man, the more I draw the more I realize what I'm lacking and how far my goal(or idea of) is. I'm getting humbled daily by other artist and their knowledge and practice. I'm super motivated though, I really want to get better. I need to start doing more longer figures and look deeply into anatomy.

Dailies, 15 and 5 min

>>7606201
Head on the left figure seems small. And you've made her eincage too substantial. I'd say her bicep connects too high and entire arm is poorly shaped as well. If she's tucking her chin you should try to show it, and if she's not then the space between chin and collarbones is too great imo

>>7606242
*Ribcage

Yesterday's practice

smt from imag

>>7606396
How do you think about knees?
Blog/insta/artstation?

>>7606201
how do you get these strokes and shades ? i am a noob.

Sharing a sheet from today

>>7606441
nta but it looks like he is using a different hardness pencil then you, maybe even charcoal.

>>7606441
>Sharing a sheet from today

focus on nudes until you have a better handle on the human body

>>7605029 (OP)
Im a complete noob doing figure drawing, im not using a timer because nothing looks remotely good if i do that, how many of these things do i have to draw per day to actually improve.

Drawn from imagination, is it acceptable? The shape of the pelvis is largely undefined. To add volume in the future, you will have to make winding contours of the ends of the forms.

>>7606628
A little better quality

1 more done

>>7606807
proportions on the guy are very off

>>7606807
nice rendering but you don't understand what you're drawing which is causing you to make bad choices when it comes to types of marks, proportion, shape design, and anatomy.

>>7606596
I just did one hundred 1 min figure drawings, i think im starting to like it.

>>7606807
Me on my way to your mom

>>7606888
lets see them bro, wtf 100 minutes of 1 min figures is wild

>>7606896
Too many images im just going to upload some images
Here i wasnt doing 1 min drawings i was copying taking my time.

>>7606926
Here i started to develop some kind of a structure, i used an armature to make my life easyer

>>7606931
And here is the last page

>>7606896
>wild

>>7607009
Nice. Really like your ovals.

Offer pickle

>>7606441
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DNw-piPn9d6Q&ved=2ahUKEwjY6sGpoe2NAxUE38kDHeMAOjsQwqsBegQIExAG&usg=AOvVaw1oAeWvWzqLn_Y1v1UxJZTU

I'm using willow charcoal and working On a 24x18. Agree with other anon, study the nude.

>>7606508
Got it, will share more today when I get to it.
>>7607338
Thanks for sharing

>>7607120
?

>>7607277
cool big hair and hat
>>7607009
love the toes
>>7606943
i really like how they interact with the environment

>>7606870
tell me what I should understand then or at least where I should go to learn it

>>7606441
>>7606508
>>7607338
I'll draw some nude studies later today, this is from today morning in the metro, I quickly drew some gestures

>>7607479
damn bro, your figures look so good

>>7607499
You should understand your subject, which in this case is the human figure. Learn what the bumps and grooves indicate and how they relate to each other

>>7607479

>>7607522
>damn bro, your figures look so good
thank you, glad you like them

>>7607528
Ok I will try anon
The Hampton's gesture course is on CB, maybe I'll watch it next

>>7607546
Love this dumpy ass hoe. Great tits in the main figure.

>>7607546
I love the expressions and the way you simplify the shapes of the body, looks very dynamic as well

I don't know if you're making this on a signle layer but I'm amazed by how clean your strokes looks, even with a sketch underneath my strokes never look that good lol
gotta keep practicing

quick figure study

>>7607876
taran fiddler?

no....

>>7607546
regression

>>7605029 (OP)
Does anyone have a mega folder or something with a bunch of solo hand references? Or know of where I can find one?
I'm trying to do 5 minute hand studies but I've been spending more time finding references than actually drawing and it sucks. I need a giant fuck off folder so I can just flick it on quickposes and go through a bunch of them without having to stop to find more.

>>7608046
if you have regular ref can't you zoom in and crop on the hands to make your own?

>>7608046
why not take pics of your own hand

>>7608071
Pain in the neck to do, and they're usually not very dynamic hand poses
>>7608085
Also a pain in the neck unless I'm looking for a specific pose

>>7608079
Damn. What's her routine?

Do you guys actually feel like figure drawing from life / photos has actually helped you improve your work?

I personally feel like I get way more out of master copies, like, figure drawing from other artists who drew nude figures, but maybe I'm just doing it wrong

>>7608079
cursed genetics

>>7608473
both are important but master copies definitely give me more knowledge that can be immediately applied to my work.
i did exclusively figure drawing for years and barely improved but improved drastically once I started doing master copies. it is very helpful to see the tricks they use to solve certain problems. but im not sure if i would have understood why some of those tricks are so clever if i didn't struggle with figure drawing first to become more familiar with the shapes and forms that they are simplifying.

>>7605607
Nice work

>>7605651
Love your work. Have you considered/do you already do animation?

Hello, I started learning art with heads and drawing objects around my room. However I've basically never drawn anything finished. It's all just messy sketches referencing real people trying to improve my fundamentals. I guess my question is if this is a normal thing to do. It seems like other people make finished work much sooner than me. My other question is could you give me advice my drawings look like shit.

>>7608473
Personally, I get more out of life drawing than master copies only because it’s easier to focus less on trying to mimic the style of the master when you already know the rules than the other way around

>>7608535
To clarify it's been like 90% drawing heads so far, I just got into figure drawing.

>>7608535
It’s a normal thing to do. Not every sketch needs to be finished. Don’t focus too much on finished work and just focus on having a high output and drawing a lot. Just keep drawing from life mostly as opposed to reference drawing and you will improve quicker

>>7608522
SAME I struggled for years with photos too, maybe that's an important part of the process before you finally "get the cheatsheet" so to speak

>>7608537
damn those are clean, no underdrawing? How do you get over the embarrassment of drawing a stranger with that much focus and intensity? what if that woman turned around and saw you?

>>7608547
Lol your question made me laugh. Honestly, you just get used to it. It’s just something you have to deal with to get better at the craft, ya know? Most people really don’t care, and react positively when they see. I’ve had some take pictures, which is always nice

Sketches from imagination.any tips?

`10,m

>>7608554
keep track on your foreshortening, also the proportion and the connections betweens limbs, e.g, also try to get rid of too many chicken-scracthing, wish you good improvement on your excercises.

>>7608591
like these, remindes me of krenz

quick figures warm up session

>>7608750
do you use reference?

>>7608762
looking nice, i like the one pulling the pants down, the contrast against the figure is so cool

>>7608591
these are really cool, top right is so solid
>2024/10/15
are you a time traveler?

deep shiat

>>7608973
For some of them yea

>>7609147
mind posting a couple from this latest sheet?

>>7609267
I got them from one of /ic/ ref threads. And about EXACT pics I won't be able to help cause I just use the "GestureDrawing!" program and draw random figs.

>>7607876
nice

>>7607876
Very nice

I feel like I'm super inconsistent with my mark making and just general shape expression.
This is super evident when I redo a pose and try to correct the mistakes in the gesture, it's like a whole different person drew it.
Is there a way to deal with this or do I just have to power through my inconsistencies?

60 timed figs as usual for my daily practice. I'll probably try to do longer figures later today but I'm pretty busy right now. I'll probably be lazy and won't continue with Bridman today(maybe one page). I need better references, specially female ones with good lightning I have really good ones for males, going to dig through the ref thread right now.

schizo looking scribbles today

>>7605683
What's his channel name?

>>7610467
https://www.youtube.com/@Veil_Arts
he kinda popped off because of the algo with a video talking about how he did 60 minutes of gesture daily for 6 months which does seem like sound advice
his recent videos have seemed kinda clickbaity and he's now doing early access on videeos with membership

>>7610525
>Oldest video 4 months ago
>13 videos, 29k subscribers
Something just doesn't add up.

>>7610737
that's just how the algorithm works

>>7609592
lots of proportion errors in the top left sheet.

>>7608079
Natty?

I marked up a ref with the canonical proportions of the face and it was enlightening to see how much individuals differ from this norm.

I could've placed the brow ridge line higher, but there is no way the halfway line would line up with the base of nose, and the mouth or the eyes don't line up with their idealized places either.

>>7611310
Your looking up at that face though so your measurements would need to account for the perspective.mpg4th

>>7611310
well maybe cause his head is slighte tilted?

>>7611314
>>7611315
it's not really in heavy perspective though. If I pose an idealized 3d skeleton in the same pose, that one has the idealized proportions spot on pretty much.

>>7608762
another warmup session

>>7608990
thanks

Finish a new one.

>>7611310
most people differ from the norm a bit, drawings are idealized to look nice. seems this guy just has a long midface. also never saw these refs before, they look pretty good

>>7611434
very nice. slow your sweeping strokes a bit -- try to get more structure out of your lines

>>7605029 (OP)
IM THE BEST EPIC DRAWING OF ROACH STARCRAFT 2

did struggle with this one....

Continuing with the Hampton head course. The project is only to add the proportion lines but I figured I'd try to indicate some of the facial parts of the later steps that he showed just to help solidify what goes where with the proportion lines.

>>7612062
embrace struggling! I think all of us have great potential for improvement once we let go of our resentment and do the things we don't want to do even though we feel we should do them.

>>7611831
thanks. kept that in mind for this session. not sure if there's more structure or not. hard to get good lines in the quicker ones.
I should probably try and refine my process for more consistent results. bodybuilder guy at the bottom middle got over blended.

>>7609571
I'm curious about this too. I might try tracing a little each day to see if I can improve muscle memory or whatever

>>7612683
i was thinking more like this sort of thing -- a slight elaboration of those big silhouette-defining lines into something more descriptive, more specific. for the drawings where you've given yourself enough time to add light/rendering, i think you'd gain from it.

>>7612683
i was thinking more like this sort of thing -- a slight elaboration of those big silhouette-defining lines into something more descriptive, more specific. for the drawings where you've given yourself enough time to add light/rendering, i think you'd gain from it.

its so hard

>>7613163
Why did you draw that line from the ulna at the wrist to the outer condyle of the humerus? It's good, but I don't understand why it works.

>>7611362
It's tilted and you don't see it.

>>7612958
Thanks for the demo. Yeah I see what you mean, that looks a lot nicer.
Tried it this session.

Back at it

>>7607546
>>7607599
>Love this dumpy ass hoe. Great tits in the main figure.

thank you, glad you enjoy it
>>7607684
>I love the expressions and the way you simplify the shapes of the body, looks very dynamic as well
thankyou so much

>I don't know if you're making this on a signle layer but I'm amazed by how clean your strokes looks, even with a sketch underneath my strokes never look that good lol
gotta keep practicing
its a single layer minus the "tones" for cloth or hair, my goal is intentionally designed mark making, im limiting myself on the amount of lines/strokes i put down, which ends up with that fairly clean looking outcome

>>7613163
love the horns
>>7613173
>its so hard
looks good
>>7613819
the dusted back texture looks so cool
>>7613836
nice separation details on all the anatomy

>>7614211
thanks

>>7613836
You could give the shoulders a bit more separation from the torso in a couple of these.

I NEED MALE REFENCES
FUCK
JUST NORMAL LOOKING DUDES FOR REFERENCES

>>7613819
keep track on the proportions and also don't break the forms by adding cross-contours which don't allign with the direction.

can you get good at figure drawing following along with artists drawing figures without requiring heavy studying on anatomy?

>>7615208
you have to draw atleast to get good at figure drawing bro

>>7615186
>>7615319
>>7615140
How are you this good? Are you sure 30 second gestures really got you to this level? What other kind of study have you done? Pls help me get as good as you...

>>7615186
Ok and???

>>7615338
yea kinda, i just drew constantly, also got frustrated by many bad drawings and at the bad gesture-drawing stage, i couldn't get the idea but later it clikced somehow; i'm still learning but i struggle still with imagination-drawings. The 30 sec. - 5 min. gesture drawing practice i kept for a period of time, later on i didn't did any more, and switched to whatever i was feeling to draw, and kept my time till i was pleased how it looked.
You really have to find your way in drawing, i can only give you some adivce to be constitent, you can also take breaks (which i also did sometimes), you'll won't see regression, i would say it is recommendd since your brain needs the time to filter all the "data" out.
Just draw and don't loose your interest for drawing if it means something to you.

>>7615348
I see, when you study, do you do anything specific like Peter Han's exercise of breaking things down into geometric forms, or like David Finch's memory drawing thing? Or is it your opinion that there just is no secret to it?

Words can't describe how much I idolize your art, just getting any reply from you is very meaningful to me, thank you

>>7615355
i did it at the beginning and really sucked at it, now i do it mostly in my head; i don't like Peter Hans subjects in which he draws, i prefer KJG, mostly watched videos of him how he drew and what he explained and went with it, and many other techniques; but yea Peter Han teaches the same as KJG, e.g., i just find the style of KJG more appealing.
Hmm.. i still believe there is some "secret" but it's jsut appears in stages, same as that gesture drawng stage, which i couldn't get but later on got the hang out of it.
My goal was just to improve, i didn't set for myself a specific goal, just to improve was my goal at first and from it i can improve more and see how it goes lul.

For books i recommend any books which teaches how to draw form, anatomy in shapes/forms/perspective, morpho, e.g..
You'll have to decides which style you like since it will be easier for you to draw something in a specific style which you like, later on your ref-drawings will also be drawn in you prefered style.
Thanks appreciate it.

>>7615348
any particular artist or book recommendations?

>>7615363
for figures and anatomy:

Morpho (all series)
Hampton
Anatomy for sculptors
Figure Drawing by Steve Huston

For perspective:
How to Draw (scott Robertson)
the Scott Robertson book is only so you'll understand the theory, i practice a little with it and did some of the nistruction, you'll will get a sense if you draw enough for what it teaches.

I also recommend to draw from life sometimes, just go outside and draw cars/buildings, stones, trees, plant, e.g..

>>7615362
>>7615373

I do see tons of KJG in your art. thank you for all the advice, anon

>>7615140
>also don't break the forms by adding cross-contours which don't allign with the direction.

nta but where are they making that error?

>>7615515
nta, but they made that mistake on every drawing

>>7615545
wth? maybe I don't know what cross contours are then

>>7615547
aren't they this sort of thing?

doing gesture on digital feels alien to me and i eventually got too frustrated and just stopped

>>7614211
>the dusted back texture looks so cool
It's the brushes doing most of the work. Smooth Pencil and Diffuser Smudge brushes from Lane's Master Pack if anyone was curious.

>>7615140
Any particular proportional mistakes in particular? It's hard to notice them until someone points them out. When the reference has non-ideal proportions, do you idealize them?
You're right about the cross-contours. I've been using too many 2D shapes and blocking in flat values of tone to save time. But that flattens out the forms.
Tried to make the lines wrap around the form more in these ones. Is this what you meant? I gotta practice this more, hard to get them to wrap around properly.

>>7615704
Finding a nice sketching brush helped me get used to doing it on digital. Also LoveLifeDrawing has free photo refs that have easier poses.

>>7615590
what's with the dithering/posterization looking effect?

>>7615758
Not sure what you mean. I tripled the drawing layer as it was too faint if that matters.

If you referring to the interior lines, I am just marking spatial information as quickly as possible, tonal changes, lines, implied lines, and so on.

Trying to get the complex forms of the feet, and the muscles that cause shape/form changes down both by rote and understanding the muscles,veins, any surface anatomy really, so it is very boring. Not much artistry involved.

Here is some ballpoint pen sketches showing he same, not a digital effect of any kind if that is what you meant.

>>7615816
i was referring to the interior lines, yeah. interesting way of doing things.

>>7615590
>>7615816
hnnngh
oh my god, these are fucking gorgeous.
beautiful studies, anon.
such skillful line control and (so many) top of the line mettle.

what makes my drawing look stiff?

>>7616089
refernce

>>7616090
>>7616089

one thing might be the shape language, look how sharp and angular the silhouette looks

more figures

>>7616089
shoulders and thighs

>>7616089
you made her jaw super angular which is the first thing i saw and also quite different than the lines of the model still looks good though

>>7614211
morequicksketchfun
>>7616159
love the pectoral muscles
>>7616215
such great neck connections, so amazing
>>7616089
>>7615816
looks really good, the nuance and sophistication of the foot is definitely captured when you add those zigzags
>>7615741
>It's the brushes doing most of the work. Smooth Pencil and Diffuser Smudge brushes from Lane's Master Pack if anyone was curious.
nah, you're doing the work for sure, it looks really cool, love that brush pack
>>7616222
bigger, fatter, more

>>7616090
ngl you're handicapping yourself by using a tiny low res image

>>7616260
why that doesn't makes sense, the only problem I see is the multiple light sources.

>>7616224
you don't have to answer me, but r u the guy who draws ero-manga for a japanese publisher? You draw faces kinda similar to him

>>7616222
good to see you searching for something different with your lines. keep at it.

>>7615547
>>7615557
i take it nobody else knows either then

>>7615547
>>7615557
Yes these are cross contours and >>7613819 is flattening his drawings by not using them

Sorry for the wobbly ass phone redlines on top of it

>>7616934
Heres an example of cross contours IRL to help show form and direction

>>7616934
>>7616937
ok but then what did the other anon mean by
>don't break the forms by adding cross-contours which don't allign with the direction in >>7615140 ?

where are the misaligned cross contours in the post they're responding to?

>>7616940
Heres where its confusing or flattened, or the contour direction is not good. When you place marks on the paper, the white spots left behind show the form and directionality of something. If you don't keep it in mind, you get muddy or flat forms.

Placing flat tones is totally fine as a starting point in a long drawing btw, because you'll have lots of time to mess with it. But in gesture or short figure drawings, it flattens and kills your forms. Scribbles do this as well, too much direction makes it directionless.

>>7616940
>>7617029
Better to do things like this where you can see the form better. I tried to not change anon's drawings to just show the difference with cross contouring. You can do stuff like these wireframes and then erase it out where your highlights need to be, and generally follow your guideline as you place shadows, and it's veey helpful.

Again sorry for phone shitter art, this tiny stylus and slippery screen cramps the fuck out of my hand.

I try to do gestures with the type of linework I want in my finished pieces.

>>7617029
>>7617036
oh, i think I get it now. thanks for taking the time to explain it. i appreciate it!

>>7617112
No problem, glad it helped!

>>7617101
Very cool, that shit's hard to do but it's so good for lineart

>>7615741
k now i can find time, there are some mistakes on your female-figer, the whole back/torso is brocken; also both arms are hard to read, one looks like a noodle with no life, and one is brocken (hard to read the form).
The hips are also not rendered to their given form. Besides hat the Legs on the other drawings looks fine, except the hip area on the middle one.
Hope this helps.

>>7615741
>When the reference has non-ideal proportions, do you idealize them?
No. Ideal proportions are just a guideline to generally go by. But when a model has little short legs and a long/wide torso like the tasmanian devil, you draw the model as they are. Even when proportions are strange, everything is still proportional relative to one another.

did a action-figure study here, it looked like a 3d-print on the ref.

>>7616215
these are great. i love some good portraiture

A bunch of random stuff and studies
>>7616224
Oh I will draw some more fatties. Nice and gestural drawings as usual!
>>7616579
Thanks, I'll try been a bit depressed as of late.

1 min gestures from quickposes
I'm doing this right? I'm trying to follow the form as much as possible and capture the pose directly solely on shapes without any sort of construction involved, but I can't tell if I'm just symbol drawing or not

doing some drawy rn practicing observational drawy

>>7618278
also kinda wanted to finish rendering this, but it's gonna be such a pain

>>7616260
i lowered the res to upload it here, 4 mb limit

>>7618147
Worry less about symbol drawing and more about the gesture line and weight and flow of the pose.

'ello guys. I'm looking for learing material that'd help me understand how to use lines better. stuff like, how to describe volume without rendering.
I've drawn these two figs from reference in the /beg/ thread, and I think they turned out fine, but... like, I know more or less what shapes the body's made up of, but often I can't intuit which lines to put down, where to use hatching, where to omit them. besides contours.

>>7612062
I know the brush does not the artist make - however what kind of settings are you using here? It just looks nice with the different values.

>>7618520
Alphonso Dunn's books on using ink are great for that. Also keep in mind this stuff for when to use varying line weights

>>7618682
default hard round brush (with paccity/pressure)

>>7617545
Could you post the references for these?

>>7618934
Aigato gozemass

>>7618794
Very stiff shoulders

>>7618751
>Alphonso Dunn's books on using ink are great for that.
thanks, I'll check it out
>Also keep in mind this stuff for when to use varying line weights
line weight is a huge filter for me, I'm practicing with basic lines for now. though I do believe it's possible to draw a decent figure even without line weight, choice of tool shouldn't be critical

>>7618338
Pls record your process sometime. would teach us a lot. Do you use reference?

>>7618995
you right, idk how to fix tho

>>7619339
You need to draw what you are seeing and not what you think you're seeing. Was there a reference for this?

>>7619356
Very stiff shoulders

>>7619147
>Do you use reference?
>>7617545
>>7618934

Watercolors.

>>7619356
Which pack is this from? I'll buy it

>>7619449
Do you have a blog?

>>7619449
love!
captcha nn8gr

>>7619447
Idk how to find it, its the OP of the current reference thread

>>7619447
>>7619489
It's right there in the first post >>7608239
>ArtStation - Grafit Studio - 1200+ Elegant Female Poses
https://gofile.io/d/iDsJSm

>>7619497
oh whoops lol. I really just grabbed the OP and turned my brain off after that. Thanks!

>>7619481
nope, currently not
>>7619147
did this here jsut some minutes ago, but there's not much to see behind my drawing-process^^"

Almost-dailies. Can i get to will weston tier in 3 years?

>>7619677
Still helpful, ty

>>7617564
Great illustration. Leaving the back leg as a block was a fantastic choice. It adds so much story and left me wanting to know more

>>7611269
This is super tough great job.

>>7608474
Great line control

>>7606408
Great work. Not a fan of that much local value on the skin it's a little distracting

>>7618794
>>7619356
I like the model, and the pose is nice, but at least for me, it doesn't work well for an illustration. Her right shoulder and the straight up shot look awkward. I think if you hide the whole right arm, it would improve the pose. If you still want to show some arm, resting it under the breast could look sexy too. great work anon.

This was fun, and yes I inverted wings on purpose.

>>7619929
>Can i get to will weston tier in 3 years?
took him a lot longer than 3 years. savor the journey because it's going to last your entire life.

>>7617406
Thanks. Been a bit busy lazy but this helps.

>>7618794
>>7619356
Yeah man you picked a cool but really difficult one, weird angle, some perspective, strange pose, and a ton of very subtle form changes going on. You have the same problem as me where you tend to over exaggerate curves, even subtle ones. Great for gesture, really bad for drawing figures. The only thing I can do to deal with it is lots of visual measuring, and to use the enveloping or block in method of drawing to keep myself in check and slowly chip away at things. If you start from the large shapes first and work your way down towards the smaller ones instead of doing it the other way around, you'll have an easier time doing an accurate drawing.

You don't have to go full enveloping mode if you want, and can try to make a figure out of as many long and general straight lines as possible, then break those up into the more accurate smaller lines, until eventually you've made curves.

A experiment in ink.

Couple 1 min/30s couple no timed ones. Almost didn't draw yesterday so I just got to do something before going to sleep.

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>>7620767
How come you don't do longer poses?

>>7621070
Pretty cool. I try to do them frequently, I just default for starting my day with 60s figures and go from there. Lately I haven't had that much time so it's easy to just stay in my comfort zone and keep at it. I know it must look like I only do short poses(which I mainly do). I'll post a couple longer poses next time.

>>7620222
Yeah agreed. It is an awkward pose. I ended up finishing like this but I definitely wanna give it another go with the advice Ive been given here.

Advice on how to improve this?

>>7621353
My advice to improve your work is to buy a wacom cintiq with clip studio paint. Drawing digitally will instantly improve your work. The bigger the screen, the better. I am working on a 32 inch screen :D

no, but seriously, you're already very good. Your proportions are on point, your sense of form is there, my drawover is pretty much a direct trace of your lines. Now, I think you need to do master copies and memory drawings and try to find a style that fits your aesthetic.

Frank Frazetta: https://youtu.be/ZqJ2h4Jw5nU
Claire Wendling: https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWU

Watch these streams and do the same thing on an artist you like. This is the exact method I used to improve my work too

>>7619677
pls teach me your ways

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>>7621353
Draw bigger, work on line confidence. Think before each line: where does it start, where does it end? What does it do? Is it a diagram or actual final anatomy? Seriously though, draw bigger unless you're gonna switch to digital soon.

>>7621529
Very nice, looks like you're just vibing from imagination? Wish I could bang out decent faces like that.

>>7621927
Thank you, but your words only apply to one specific figure, the rest still need to be worked on

>>7621927
don't have to teach you, i see your drawing well already jsut need some more grind and observation. Your linework seems well for now.

Oh my god my vision is so bad I can hardly even draw from reference

>>7619489
It's strange, when I try to draw wider shoulders like this it never comes out looking right

>>7622239
But you asked for advice on that specific drawing

more drawy

>>7623638
Is side by side reference better than keeping the reference on my main monitor?

>>7623658
side by side you can actually compare and measure the canvas and the reference image

like this, which makes it easier. the same apply to traditional

the thing is, it would be ideal for you to actually learn how to draw your reference from any position they're in, with time you won't even bother with this anymore and your observational drawing skills will get solid

>>7623658
i only put the reference image on the same monitor of my drawing program when i'm shading/rendering

my other monitor is poopy fard and makes the image look bad

>>7623664
Stupid question but how do you keep the reference window on top?

>>7623794
with PureRef, pretty much everyone uses it

it's also free https://www.pureref.com/

>>7623664
is there more of this reference?

>>7625211
there are some more in the photographer's profile, i like the red lighting setup in his photos

https://www.deviantart.com/dwoartist/gallery

>>7625220
>>7625211
you'll have to scroll through the gallery, tho. they ain't organized at all

>>7625223
https://www.deviantart.com/dwoartist/art/KL00034-907678928

https://www.deviantart.com/dwoartist/art/KL00033-904357160

>>7615186
/adv/

>>7615346
/beg/

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>>7625191
Mostly very aspirational. Looking forward to feeling the form that well.

>>7625654
pushing style, proportion and gesture at the same time during study makes it difficult to spot and learn from mistakes. it also makes it hard for your fellow anons to give you much useful critique as they wont easily be able to tell errors from purposeful exaggeration.

>>7625745
Those feet are fucked yo

1 min gestures

>>7625795
? the feet in the redline look fine

any resources for timed photographs of bones from different angles?

>>7619357
Tanks, I'll tone it down and try better next time.

>>7625804
These are nice

>>7625191
how come your figures have such a good sense of the skeleton?

Did you ever study the skeleton? Can you draw it from memory? Any advice on an /int/ trying to get their anatomy to look as real as yours?

i give up

>>7626952
i did some skeleton studies, yes; i'm also able to draw the skeleton roughly from imagination, also the specific forms, yet if i want to draw something in detail (the skeleton) i look at references; i have the forms roughly in my mind, yet to put them on paper precicely isn't easy, it takes a lot of repition.
Drawing from reference, feels also nice since if you draw "to feel the forms and perspective", it doesn't feel like "copying" but rather like your own practice and drawing.

>>7626971
got the reference?

Reference thread got me again

>>7627481
Apologies for sideways image t phone fag

>>7627487
proportions of the legs look off

>>7627509
Good point, I'll pay closer attention to that. Thanks!

Daily

>>7627473
Very nice

>>7627487
Think about the skeleton more

>>7628250
You've extended the bulk of his hamstrings too far down

I didnt get the perspective in the legs well...

>>7628917
heavily foreshortened perspective is crazy difficult. it helps to establish some of the scene, even if only a ground plane.

>>7629868
>>7628917
Another trick you can do if you have design liberties is add tight fitting clothing where hemlines act as cross contours, which help describe form -- particularly helpful with foreshortened views where it's so easy for things to come off as flattened.

>>7628367
i dunno man, made lots of mistakes but I'm not sure that's one of them. I'll admit, I think my line is a little more convex as it approaches the back of the knee, but it's a very subtle difference.

Outside of the context of the ref though, I can see where it reads as 'wrong'. Interesting dynamic between being accurate to the ref and accurate to the 'idea' that people have of the figure. The latter may be more important.

>>7630573
>>7628917
I think you can also just draw 'semi-contour' lines of a lighter/thinner/softer quality to help describe form. Like, not a 'slice-across' line the way they teach contour, but something to show how forms fit together inside those big lines. Like the glutes and thighs are just indicated there by their 'boundary' lines. But you could put in hints of the hamstrings and outer vastus muscles that would show form better. Also I think there's a missed opportunity/observation on the right hip to explore the gluteus medius/tfl/etc but it's hard to say without seeing the ref.

>>7626895
Thank you bro

some studies

>>7605029 (OP)
what are /figs/ thoughts on kevin chens figure drawing class on cda? im thinking about taking it but a buddy of mine who took the class doesn't recommend it for the money. said that there are other classes that teach the same ideas but better and are more flexible.

>>7632620
never heard of it. Here's a 24 hour link to a good copy of Human Machine I scanned myself cuz the ones on archive.com are ass. Get a 27" 4k monitor with the money you would have spent on the class and copy all the drawings in the pdf till you can do them from memory at different angles:


Bridgeman is who they study at Lyme. He's better than some chucklefuck illustrator. But if you must spend money on a course, go for will weston.

https://litter.catbox.moe/vvkz0tliol4vw2z7.pdf

>>7632011
this is starting to feel very nitpicky but i think youve misinterpreted the hamstrings as one large muscle mass-- connecting it to the center of the leg--instead of showing it as two separate things attaching to both sides of the knee. i could be wrong but pic related is what i think is going on.

on top of that, you've drawn his pose as a bit more erected, with less of a bend in the leg than the reference, which should result in even less of the red mass showing as part of the silhouette, compounding the initial error.

>>7632011
this is starting to feel very nitpicky but i think youve misinterpreted the hamstrings as one large muscle mass-- connecting it to the center of the leg--instead of showing it as two separate things attaching to both sides of the knee. i could be wrong but pic related is what i think is going on.

on top of that, you've drawn his pose as a bit more erected, with less of a bend in the leg than the reference, which should result in even less of the red shape showing as part of the silhouette, compounding the initial error.

Took a week break and feel like I massively degressed to worse than babby again

>>7632888
add more cross contours and try to be more careful with the proportions

>>7632620
kevins one of the best figure instructors imo

I don't get the forms and gestures. I have hard time copying the proportions. I think problem must be my mental tunnel vision, which is very narrow. what to do?

>>7605029 (OP)
Why do my figures have a sense of weight but no energy? Am i not pushing the gesture hard enough?

Is there a way I can improve my copy and observation abilities? is there a course or something like that I can use?

>>7633163
try to imagine yourself doing the pose, which muscles are tense and which are relax.

>>7633169
I think you have to push your figures more, our brain pulls back without us knowing.

>>7633204
isn't that just Bargue Plates?

>>7633169
You can always push it more, even when you think it's enough. You ever read the Force Life Drawing book?

>>7633660
>the Force Life Drawing book?
I haven't, but i will now! I havent read anything about gesture aside from a single chapter in Andrew Loomis' book, shitty youtuber advice, and shitty community college advice. Honestly this is the first time ive taken longer than 10 seconds to draw a gesture in a long time.

>>7633169
>>7633893
> this is the first time ive taken longer than 10 seconds to draw a gesture in a long time
If that's the case then honestly you just need more mileage. And finish more figures, not all of them but more

>>7633902
That there's the plan for the next 3 days, just pump as many out as i can. Hopefully i can keep the momentum going after work starts back up, that's my REAL fear! My ass needs consistency more than anything.

>>7633163
what do you mean by "mental tunnel visison"?

>>7632633
nta but thanks for the scan!

I'm doing my part

>>7633169
>>7633902
This anon speaks true. Your skills will graduate to the next level if you just keep going with it. You look like you're at the stage where everything clicks and the only ingredient missing is quantity. Great work anon!

>>7634536
Don't be so timid. You're not outlining figures; you're drawing gestures. Connect the forms, inside and out

>>7634536
See this >>7625804

>>7633927
Consistency is key. Better short sessions daily than cramming a ton of figures for three days and then crashing out for a week plus

>>7633893
I think gesture is very hard to teach, so if a teacher doesn't click with you just keep looking until you find an explanation that really works for you. Force explains a lot of the basic concepts you need to know at least, so even if you don't totally get it you should learn something.

>>7633902
>If that's the case then honestly you just need more mileage.
Yes. It helps to do class mode if your ref site allows it, where you start with very fast gestures and over time it'll ease into longer gestures, and finally a 5 or 10 minute drawing by the end. No matter how much time you have, you always start every drawing the same as your quick gestures, you just get to finish more and more of your drawings as the time lengthens. It feels better than just spamming 10 second drawings forever.

Wish I could sit around and practice drawing figures all day instead of only 10-20 minutes a day.

Draw this ref with me, see if you can capture her... well everything, she's perfect.

tell me how to do better

>>7635542

>>7635592
>>7635608
what's all this about?

>>7635544
feel the form

>>7635542
not really a great reference but whatever

>>7635542
gave it a try

>>7636511
nice one, though you made her head very large

>>7636511
and her body quite short.

>>7636898
well...she seems to BE quite short, but thanks i guess

>>7636964
Short in relation to the reference

>>7637125

>>7637125

>>7637125

>>7635352
>>7635353
I'm not sure if I really get it but I'll keep trying and post again in a week, thanks

>>7638624
slow down and make stronger marks. drawing an arm as a straight line with a haphazard oval around it doesn't really say anything about that arm.

>>7608750
I presume this is digital. How do you get so much on the screen? I always seem to either draw too big or not have enough space.