Thread 7605870

robovun

>>7605870 (OP)
very cute anon

>>7605870 (OP)
its very cute anon. I'm gonna give you a burbur

>>7605870 (OP)
characters on a white void, huh?

you suck

>>7605870 (OP)
Would click on your media tab and see what else you drew

>>7607679
>what is illustration

Blog?

>>7607690
and you're extremely upset

>>7607718
something white voiders avoid

>>7605870 (OP)
Don't listen to them. They are probably jealous. But to be honest, i think they are a bit right. It's so sad to see such cute characters in a white void. I think you would benefit from starting doing some backgrounds!

>>7607679
>>7608077
>>7608929
name ONE thing wrong with not drawing backgrounds. i just want to draw cute girls. why should i care about whats happening behind them?

>>7611521
its boring

>>7605870 (OP)
you need to study breakdowns form

>>7607690
post drawing faggot

>>7611545
99.99% of people do not care if you draw backgrounds unless you put some random haha so funny meme in the background.

>>7611555
nice try officer

>>7611581

stats for this claim?

>>7611649
Years of following 1000+ artists and seeing how the most popular ones just draw popular shit in white void.
You are welcome to show me the opposite.

>

>>7612210
LMAO op traces his shit

>>7612210
Yup, looked fishy to me. The composition and everything was too good for the sloppy execution.

>>7608047
he really doesnt lol

>>7605870 (OP)
>my art yayy
>my
>>7612210
My fucking sides kek.

>>7605870 (OP)
>>7612210
What's wrong, OP? No more yaaying?

>>7612210
this is why you never trace, someone somewhere will have seen what its based on

>>7611521
technically nothing. all it means is that you suck at drawing backgrounds/don't want to attempt them. a gallery full of white voids, to me, is not interesting because every piece looks basically the same (anime girl in the same pose over the same bg). but ultimately only a critique when looking at someone's whole gallery. crabs like to latch onto it as a criticism when they can't think of anything else. there's so much else to criticize here anyways LMAO.

>>7612730
not if i trace my own gens

>>7612210
>thinking this is traced
Crab post.
It's not traced, overlay them or open both images in new tabs and then flip back and forth.

Uncreative in that he copied most of the posing? I suppose. But traced? Nah, get the fuck out of here.

>>7612991
Guess i will just start copying now. Thanks

>>7612991
He's a plagiarizing begtard, that's why people are calling him out. Stop defending crap.

>>7611521
> i just want to draw cute girls.
>why should i care about whats happening behind them?

You should

>>7605870 (OP)
what books did you learn? was it loomis?

>>7613061
>>7613240
Tracing is a very specific accusation.

Boy who cried wolf. If you really cared about the specific acts being bad in and of themselves, you would be careful to levy accurate accusations.

But you don't, you don't care about the actual actions at all. You just care that you think you can be justified to dunk on someone if he does anything that "outs" himself as being at best ignorant to, or at worst, in opposition to, your own social norms.

Animals, the lot of you. No, lower than animals. Invertebrates.

Crabs.

>>7614333
An invertebrate is an animal, doofus.

>>7614333
>NO! NO!! NO!!!! YOU CAN'T JUST POST THE REFERENCE THEY USED EVEN IF THEY COPIED THE EXACT SAME COMPOSITION BECAUSE.... Y-YOU JUST CAN'T OKAY?!?!

>>7614333
stop defending slop

>>7614496
>>7614499
one must accept that they will make garbage on the way from /beg/ to /pro/

lel
Capping for the humor thread.

>>7612991
>>7612263
>>7612265
>>7612271
>>7612674
>>7612730
OP did nothing wrong, just a bunch of nodraws getting assmad lol, move on everybody

>>7605870 (OP)
who tf even comes to 4chan for validation anyways? good job? WHATS NEXT?

>>7618325
hello OP

>>7612210
uh oh

White void art loses basically all value as soon as it's unbumped unless you're drawing a character from specific media (which has its own value from not existing in a white void). Have some self respect and at least give them some personality

Bumping so more people can make fun of OP.

>>7612210
/ic/-where hopes and dreams become disappointment

>>7622205
Bumping again so more people can make fun of OP.

idc if its heavily referenced i fw the style

>>7612210
lol

>>7612263
>>7612730
Way to out yourselves, permabeg nodraw fags, anyone above prebeg sees it wasn't traced.

>>7612210
kill yourself op lmao

>>7623989
Abortion should be mandatory. The retarded way you adhd riddled, attention span deprived gen-z retards butcher language is appaling.

>>7626998
All true, but why the fuck aren't you addressing the real issue which is plagiarism?
Trying to divert the attention away from your peers?

>>7627059
>b-but what about-
The only real issue is dumb social media brain rotten zoomers who cry wolf. Call things what they are, instead of chasing high from likes by putting yourself on fake moral high ground. You are responsible for your words and I am not responsible for OPs. Don't shift blame and bring idiotic twitterfag tendencies to 4chan.

>>7627077
>who cry wolf.
In this case that's simply a falsehood. People called him out because he's a prideful hack, not because of some alleged tracing. Only retards call that tracing.
Stop defending hacks, you dishonest pos.

What's wrong with tracing or stealing? You niggers living in what reality? Artists throughout history copy pose, even copy ideas, you think only one artist can paint Venus in the sea?

>>7627106
>What's wrong with tracing or stealing?
You lose respect, because you are a hack and a thief. Just like it happens IRL for any kind of hack or thief. It's a pretty simple complex for civilized people.

>>7627112
I steal all the time, I steal from great artists all the time, what you going to do, call me an pose thief? A tracer? I will trace and sign it, what you going to do, make seething noises, heavy breathing and type on your filthy electronics? To call me out? Sure, in the end I drew something and enjoy it, you? You stay mad, nigger. Metaphysically you are already in hell, I'm just enjoying the seethe.

>>7627120
>I steal all the time, I steal from great artists all the time, what you going to do, call me an pose thief? A tracer?
Yeah, pretty much. Whenever there will be a chance to expose you, people with moral standards will do so.
Go ahead, be a despicable human being. You might get lucky or you might be served with a big reality check down the line.
Time will tell.

>>7627102
Hey, dumbass, why do you think I only replied to people, who call it tracing?
>In this case that's simply a falsehood
>Only retards call that tracing
You actually agree that only retards call it tracing, yet somehow it's not crying wolf when retards call it tracing? Did your brain broke?
>Stop defending
You fucking brain rotten zoomer, stop chugging twitter cool aid. Not every one who calls you idiots on X side is automatically on Y side. You dunce.

>>7627128
>who calls out idiots
fixd

>>7627128
I'm saying you are a moron, because instead of focusing on the real problem, which is OP being a plagiaristic hack who tries to boast with what can only be described as a copy of someone else's art, you call out people who clearly are beginners that don't even understand what tracing is.
You come across as somebody that is trying to divert from what OP did. You come across as someone who is protecting one of his peers. I just hope that's not the case.
Also, I'm a millenial, so you're wrong again.
Try one more time or something.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with heavy referencing btw. Great artists steal. It's centuries old knowledge. Only autistic people care about arbitrary purity standards they themselves invented.

>>7627136
>OP being a plagiaristic hack who tries to boast with what can only be described as a copy of someone else's art
Someone is taking an image posted on the 4chans waaay to fucking seriously.

>>7627139
Not really. Calling a hack out on 4chan is pretty much as serious.
If it gets rid of a hack in the community, that's a good thing. That's all.

>>7627137
>Only autistic people care about arbitrary purity standards they themselves invented.
It's not about purity standards. It's about clearly established societal rules. Thiefs and hacks are prosecuted. That's the reality of things. Some get away with it, most don't. That's it.

>>7627142
>>7627144
Plagiarism isn't illegal. In an academic setting, copying defeats the purposes of the work, which is as a way to test and measure to see if you are actually learning the material, since the teacher (and institution overall) is only interested in awarding their confirmation you have learned the material to people who... actually have. Very logical reason for it.

There is no such reason outside of academia. It can make a work lower quality, because it's perceived to have been "less-creative", but it also can result in being "more creative" or "a homage" and so on.

There is nothing INTRINSICALLY wrong with it, especially in this case as no actual part of the picture was reused. It's the composition, mood, 3/4 of the posing, and if you wanted to stretch it a soft-similarity in the hairstyle. But there isn't tracing or copy-paste. It's an entirely original picture that used the iniooooo art as a reference. That really is all.
>clearly established societal rules
I got news for you buddy. There's more than one society and they all have different rules. The more-restrictive types of "internet art culture" are dying under the weight of their own contradictions of their values, and tendency to alienate members via purity spirals due to these shaky foundations. Stay mad, it helps you guys die out faster. Everyone can see what you are.

>>7627267
Plagiarism where you are clearly trying to present something as your own, while in reality it's not has nothing to do with your failed attempts at defending it, which you call homages.
An artist drawing a homage clearly admits where the idea and or vision comes from.

Societal rules of the western civilized world, which I was referring to, are pretty clearely established. There's no ambiguity when it comes to liars. In some contexts they are even legally prosecuted.

What's your next false analogy gonna be? Actors? They lie all the time, yet we worship them.

I know I'm wasting time, since I'm trying to get somebody who is defending plagiarism, to be an honest interlocutor.

Glad I dropped the reference photo.

>>7627057
geeeeg k unc enjoy your irrelevance ts so kevin
>>7627112
What OP did is fair use, copycuck

>>7627326
>What OP did is fair use, copycuck
Fair use has absolutely nothing to do with respect. He's not being bashed for using a reference. He's being bashed because he's BOASTING about "his" art without providing crucial information that would instantly diminish if not completely nullify his right to boast.

Why are you so stupid? What happened?

>>7627304
I am very honest. I see nothing wrong with it. And no, "the western civilized world" is a mosaic of many many different rulesets. The internet has revealed that the idea we have some kind of large en-masse agreed-upon rules was actually not true. You'd have to be either very young or very old or just not very tapped in to what's been going on if you didn't notice this.
>An artist drawing a homage clearly admits where the idea and or vision comes from.
No, more often than not they're just doing it and assuming that the audience already knows the context, recognizing it as a "LOOK THEY DID THE AKIRA BIKE SLIDE" or somesuch. Older works that referenced even-older things which have fallen out of the cultural consciousness are actually funny in that these formerly-obvious homages often get viewed as "original."
D&D is a great example of this, many of the things in the game are based on books and films from the 60s and earlier. The Paladin is a direct reference off of Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions, but many people don't know this.

Additionally, several of the "iconic original D&D monsters" originally had their designs lifted off some plastic dime store toys. Picrel and look here for more info:
https://diterlizzi.com/essay/owlbears-rust-monsters-and-bulettes-oh-my/

A lot of Star Wars scenes and designs from the OT riff off of Kurosawa films, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. The old black and white shit, that nobody watches anymore besides film buffs.

>>7627342
>respect
Who cares? Did OP boast? He just said with his goofy shitty typing "my art yayy"

Do you find it important to be respected by random people who you will never meet and who see you as nothing more than the brief glimpses you present yourself as in public? They will never know you in any deeper capacity. AND you will never know them, so their "respect" is basically worthless. OP is probably the kind of obnoxious retard you wouldn't want to associate with, so why care for his "respect"?

>>7627363
Shit I forgot the picrel nooo

>>7627363
>Who cares?
People with self awareness and empathy.
I'm pretty sure sociopats don't care though, you're right.

>>7627342
He does not owe you this information and everyone's understanding of respect is different.

>>7627389
>People with self awareness and empathy.
I have more self-awareness and empathy than you lol
I don't owe anyone anything and they don't owe me anything. Demanding "respect" is at best shortsighted enough to not understand third-and-later order consequences, and at worst immoral or unethical if you're trying to do so via coercion.

>>7627136
OP was called out dozens times here. Nobody will gain anything if some tard calls him out fir 20th time. Dumbfucks who called it tracing weren't called out enough. Yeah, they don't understand what tracing is. No shit. They need to be taught, all other begs who see this thread need to know what is and what isn't tracing. That's all there's to it.
>focusing on the real problem
>You come across as someone who is protecting one of his peers. I just hope that's not the case.
Man, reading your dogshit posts gives me the came cancer as opening twitter comments. Your pretend moral highground is worthless here. You yourself admit that people who call it tracing are wrong. Yet you try to put me in the "okay to hate group" and claim moral superiority over me? Get the fuck out of here. You make me fuckig vomit. I despise you social media parasites and your performative fake morality. You are not getting likes and views with your gay pretend holier than thou attitude.

>>7627446
Nobody said you owe respect to others. You can be the biggest retard scumbag there is for what anyone cares.
You will simply be given the reactions people think you deserve for your behaviour and get called out for it. Which is a dishonest liar in OP's case.
Not sure why you seem confused about this simple fact.

>>7627466
>claim moral superiority over me
I never did that. But now I see what your real issue is. You have a very big superiority complex paired with a small ego.

>>7627497
Don't try to weasel your way out, twitter parasite. Every single one of your replies is pointless self serving masturbatory nonsense, because you yourself admit that my first post was correct. The only reason you continue to reply is you really want to feel morally superior, based on scenario you imagined in your head. Fuck off to the social media hell hole you crawled out from.

>>7627497
I will put this plainly:
The kinds of people who would "call someone out for it", are the kinds of people that I don't give a fuck about. They have ZERO power over me, they can throw a fit all they like. I will laugh at them alongside the people who also - rightfully - see it as fucking stupid.

And you know why you don't have any power? Because you do shit like this. It comes across as "evil pretending to be good" on the same level as satanic panic fundie christians and imams having a meltie over D&D and pokemon in the 80s and 90s, but run through a "totally not like my parents we are all RESPECTFUL and inclusive guyz" post-y2k filter. You alienated enough people with this contradictory, nagging behavior and your insistence on trying to prove how moral you are to yourselves and each other, that there are now significant amounts of people who - while differing individually - are united solely though the fact that we think you people are gay retards.

>>7605870 (OP)
I like it, nice work

>>7612210
Leave anon alone, last warning.

>>7627642
>are the kinds of people that I don't give a fuck about.
Tough luck big guy. Other people don't give a fuck about your opinion either.
My opinion is that the majority of people despise liars. If you disagre, keep living in denial.

>>7627717
Once again you're so fucking offbase that it's comical. I despise liars more than most people, I refuse to make even "little white lies" and this pisses off some people, for some reason older (boomer/genx) women especially don't like that I refuse to lie.

Now consider that a most artists are NOT trying to claim, implicitly or explicitly:
>I made everything about this with 0 other inspiration besides my own divine spark, it is all wholecloth original unique in all of the universe

It isn't lying to simply decline to tell someone everything. In fact, making that claim above would be lying in every single instance, so only the most dishonest or non-self-aware idiots would do so.

>>7627144
>It's about clearly established societal rules
Societal rules are that it's common knowledge that great artists steal, just as I said.
Heavy referencing was never an issue until internet allowed midwits to speak up. Nodraws and shit begs, who can only sustain themselves by putting someone better down are the once who dogpile superior artists. "Nooo this guy took inspiration from the other guy and copied poses! Police stop him! He is literally worse than Hitler!" Get a life, loser. This kind of bs only festers in social media. No one but OP posted his work ITT as far as I know you and everyone who dogpiled him are nodraw niggers and OP is much better artist than you

>>7627734
>Once again you're so fucking offbase that it's comical.
And once again keep showing how fragile your ego is.

I wonder if you'll stop replying or we're gonna reach bump limit frist.

>>7627769
Your claims are as dishonest as OP. I'm pretty sure you're defending him because you're the exact same hack.

>>7627137
Rembrandt, Raphael, Velasquez, Titian, Ruebens, Delacroiz, all of them blatantly stole poses from other artists. If you don't steal you're doing it wrong and will never be great. The most original non-pose stealer I can think of is Degas.

>>7627363
>A lot of Star Wars scenes and designs from the OT riff off of Kurosawa films, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers. The old black and white shit, that nobody watches anymore besides film buffs.

Valerian and Laureline. Lucas ripped off the entire star wars aesthetic from there. Naboo's city was blatantly stolen from Waterfall City in Dinotopia. Lucas is the all time great genius that will be remembered more than everyone he stole from. Deal with it.

>>7627870
Don't forget Rockwell with all his observational work. It makes some people have a fit when they learn it.

>>7627855
>doesn't respond to the rest of the posts
I accept your concession.

>>7627879
Yup. Lucas isn't some kind of creative genius, he's just like anyone else. The only thing was he got a budget and knew the right people to help him make his autistic constructed world and story a big film.

I JUST DID WHAT I DO BEST. I TOOK YOUR LITTLE THREAD AND I TURNED IT ON ITSELF. LOOK WHAT I DID TO THIS DISCUSSION WITH A REFERENCE PHOTO AND A COUPLE OF CRABPOSTS, HM? IT’S NOW A BUNCH OF FAGS LARPING AS SOCRATES AND PLATO DEBATING THE MORALITY IN HEAVILY REFERENCING ELEMENTS OF ANOTHER PERSON’S WORK! IF TOMORROW I GO ON /IC/ AND SAID THAT LIKE AN NGMI WOULD DOOMPOST, OR A COUPLE OF JEETS WOULD DEFEND AISLOP, NOBODY PANICS…BECAUSE IT’S ALL, “PART OF THE PLAN”. BUT AS SOON AS ONE, LITTLE OL’ BEG GETS CRITICIZED…WELL THEN EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS!! INTRODUCE A LITTLE ANARCHY. DISRUPT THE ESTABLISHED ORDER AND EVERYTHING BECOMES CHAOS. I’M AN AGENT OF CHAOS. OH AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUNNY THING ABOUT CHAOS IS BEG? IT’S GMI.

>>7627882
Lucas is both a transcendent creative genius and a visionary business genius. Hacks like you will never come close to creating art on the level that he did. He, like Kanye, is a genius at taking from others and mixing it in to something new that changes the cultural paradigm.

>>7627882
>Lucas isn't some kind of creative genius, he's just like anyone else
If this was true, Hollywood would have way more George Lucases.

>>7627887
Yea he's more of a business genius, I'll give him that. But really a lot of people could, they just get hung up by bullshit social pressure and similar shit, I think. Personally, I am on that track and I encourage my buddies to do so as well.

Hell I encourage randos on here to, despite how most of the time it results in some retards screeching at me because they think you "can't" just do what you want and disregard the social rules. Too many people are crabs, and too many people fear a mass of crabs.

>>7627892
Hollywood has slowly bled most of the creativity out as the ghouls have wagon-circled to deny access to anyone who wants something more out of things than to be part of their moneymaking cartel.

I think OP pic is prettier than the reference image. Do not listen to retards ITT OP

>>7627898
If a lot of people could do what George Lucas did, it would have happened already. He spawned many lesser clones and wannabes, but none of them has come even close to him. JK Rowling is probably the closest thing. Coincidentally, Hollywood is running massive smear campaigns against her in the media now just like they did with Lucas in the 2000s after he released the prequels- the highest grossing independent movies of all time created entirely outside the Hollywood system.

>>7627918
Maybe she shouldn't obsess over trannies all the time

>>7627924
She is simply stating reality. It's Twitter troons who won't leave her alone.

>>7627918
I don't mean in the sense of being as mainstream as his works, that's a combo of so many factors that it's stupidly hard to even identify every area that it went right, much less replicate (and the mainstream is dying so who cares anyway.)
Other examples from the other side of the world would be Tomino and Anno IMO. Both made scifi masterpieces that have been picked up and expanded to global household names. Maybe Gary Gygax was one too with D&D... that's a bit different, but in the early books he kind of was throwing shit at the wall to see what worked before refining it.

Anyway, I don't think that shooting for such a wide reach is all that important. If it happens, it happens. Most people have tastes that are less universally-resonant, more niche. This still can lead to them being titans in their area of interest and having great influence that extends beyond the audience - because people aren't unidimensional and they bring what they like into other areas. The world continues to turn.

>>7627986
Star Wars is so globally popular for generations because he modeled it after Joseph Campbell's universal monomyth and the hero with 1,000 faces. People like you dismiss Lucas's achievements because you don't understand what fundamentally made his star wars movies so popular and transcendent in the first place. Gundam and sure, Eva are comparable to Star War's global multigenerational success but they still aren't on Lucas's level.

>>7627928
Nah she's waging a whole ass crusade against the most vulnerable part of population

>>7628022
>universal monomyth
Small quibble: This is not actually universal outside of the general "west", but it is VERY strong here due to building off the shoulders of a great and firm tradition of film, literature, art, and theater.
The best example I am aware of is that Japan - yes, weeb, I know - has a completely different story structure in that it's FOUR-act - kishotenketsu - not three, with a (controversial) thematic structure - called kishu ryuritan - that is moreso related to exile. The climbing of the clan structure over repeated kishotenketsu arcs is also extremely common, echoing the "low becomes high" Gekokujo idea as a major theme in a LOT of Japanese media.

I've not dug into it much but have heard secondhand that other non-west stories like the epic of gilgamesh, chinese storytelling and some historic indian myths do not follow the hero's journey at all either.

>>7628061
>kishotenketsu
I read this from the Hirohiko Araki book, very useful.

>>7612210
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>7627882
>I accept your concession.
I'm not having a competition.

>>7627885
Autism.

What's wrong with drawing the same poses though?

>>7627855
You are the hack here, anon. OP draws and you shit and piss yourself.

>>7628275
>OP draws
kek

>>7628219
copying 1 pose is fine. copying all 3 and the composition is too far

>>7628334
>no work posted
Cope and seethe nodraw fag.

>>7628394
Why? Old masters copied poses and compositions from others all the time.

>>7628061
Gilgamesh does in fact follow the monomyth. It's universal because it dates back to the days of sumeria and is found all over the world, even in stories like Journey to the West.

>>7628050
Based af. Saying the emperor has no clothes to their face is the correct thing to do. Trans and Trans rights supporters are trying to gaslight the world in to believing men can give birth and have periods. It reminds me of the part in JK's books when the wizard media and Harry's classmates tried to gaslight and smear Harry and Dumbledore for a year because Harry said Voldemort was back and the Wizarding world didn't want to believe it. Sometimes the truth hurts trannies. You may be mentally ill, but men simply can't ever become women. This is the lesson being taught by based JK.

>>7628050
If 41% of them commit suicide over their delusions, maybe they should be given mental health treatment and therapy instead of getting pumped with hormones and surgically mutilating their genitals and chopping off their breasts.

>>7628685
that's a homage, its different

>>7628746
It's not different at all. OP is simply paying homage as well.