Thread 7610833

Please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works and sketches!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

Last thread: >>7608229

>>7610833 (OP)
Worst cropping award

>>7610833 (OP)
Somewhat unorthodox post but does anyone have any recommendations for getting the "aesthetic" of world maps right?

>>7610843
It was an automated process, blame the computer.

Last cat of the day probably
>>7610810
Thanks
>>7610845
/tg/ might have good resources for that

>>7610847
Meow, well done.

>>7610847
i like ur cats

>>7610852
You could also stop by my place from time to time and clean up my room.

>>7610853
only if i get paid in hugs

Somehow genderbender or something not really sure.

>>7610833 (OP)
i miss the old thread image style. being on the front cover of /beg/ used to mean something

>>7610865
wdym? everyone worked hard to get there

>>7610868
>>7610865
He slopified the cover. When everyone is special. no one is

is this how you study morpho

thinkgin about perspective while jacking off

>>7610878
you are not supposed to "study" morpho. Its more of a reference book.

Hirari... stoppu..

>>7610879
Hell yeah… fish… hell yeah man draw more fish
I fucking love fish

>>7610888
I drew a grouper thing later but it’s harder than jacks

mh coloring is whacky. experimented with the lips...but dont like it much.

>>7610896
I’ve been meaning to embroider a grouper, thanks for the reminder
You should draw some tuna or pike

>>7610901
yeah the drawing itself is fine (beg so take my opinion with a grain of salt) but it looks like she just snuck a few pieces of blueberry pie kek

>>7610904
I’ll try to draw a king mackerel next, nice shape cool, stripe pattern

>>7610909
Hell yeah

Rotations

>>7610905
>>7610905
lol then its not as bad as I thought. intension was smeared lipstick. thanks for the reply

>>7610901
this is extremely off putting to look at

>>7610884
The problem there is that Morpho changes its construction a lot wiith what the muscles look like and with what's drawn and what isn't drawn
Also this from the clothing folds book

>>7610918
cool. now please tell me why so I can reflect on in.

>>7610865
>>7610874
yeah including everyone is kinda lame. automating it is just lazy too. at least hand pick a couple good ones.

>>7610922
the shrink wrap musculature makes her look like a corpse

>>7610875
since you mentioned talent, who's the most talented here?

How do you even draw something like pic related? Besides the special brush or filters, how do you paint that accurate that you keep the shapes intact without needing lineart, Is there a special technoque or Is just painting and erasing?

>>7610926
(you)

>>7610925
ah okay. thats kinda what I wanted. a not very healthy looking person. even added a light shade of vlue and prple around her eyes. but anyways thanks for feedback.

>>7610922
you turned her teeth into her lips
one might think that it is entirely possible to do this quick little hack since it is a stylized drawing... but it makes her look uncanny and giving the viewer a hard-to-define disturbing feeling

>>7610932
I would try something like that with a lot of layers and masks. and then I think its just as you said....painting and erasing. but I only can do lineart so my opinion might be pretty worthless

>>7610932
Only the choice of brush (which I don't know), and completely ignored facial features. Higlighted the face with realistic lips, and chose the angle of the head to be more expressive. I don't see any special technique here.

i don't understand twitter
>post starts really great then dies suddenly
>post starts dead them booms out of nothing

>>7610935
god damn...you got me. I was drawing the lips again and again and at some point just made a stroke ....and thought well thats good enough. lazy ass me

Some people watching and doodles
>>7610849
>>7610852
Thanks

cool guidelines

studies

>>7610920
The thing about Morpho is that it's not anatomically accurate on purpose, it's built for drawing, not realism. It’s more of an interpretation tool than a reference manual. Use it alongside real refs.

If you want an actual reference go for Anatomy for Sculptors.

>>7610901
I thought she just had an awkward toothy smile in the first one, it looked a lot cuter than this.

Cloud "painting" based on a photo I took at sundown. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I tried to focus on values. Keyword is tried.

>>7610972
yes I should have let the teeth be teeth, I see what you mean

i want to stop being a beg but idk how

>>7610974
Nah, the left part is good, just like if it were done with oil.

>>7610979
Yep, I used an oil pastel brush in CSP. The right wasn't very exciting in the photo anyway, just grey clouds and deeper blue sky.

>>7610833 (OP)
Did this, but feel like it's lacking somehow... no central focus maybe? Too schizo? IDK Would love some critique.

>>7610978
Practice, Loomis, Blood Sacrifice.

>>7610984
Exploration, curiosity, growth, dilemma, starving for knowledge; Da Vinci Code is a small enigma compared to this. I wish it had better background than a grass field

nothing but schizos left
grim

>>7610833 (OP)
90% are cropped so only the torso is visible...

>>7610997
Thanks! Yeah, I probably should've made the mountains (which are giant profile faces) more pronounced- that would have helped. I mixed a trad watercolor background with a digital overlay, trying to emulate the classic cel-shaded animation I love so much. I appreciate your take!

>>7610986
how the hell do I start with Loomis im retarded

>>7611007
Read Fun With a Pencil and copy each illustration while adding your own flare to it! The anatomy on the pic you posted is good, but her left leg is twisted unnaturally (I get that it's unfinished, but it stood out to me).

>>7611009
thanks for the help!

>>7611011
No prob! Don't stop drawing!

>>7611015
i will not. cool comic. i am doing commissions and miss just. drawing what i want to draw. which is my deer son

>>7610845
one of the best questions I've seen in these threads. What I do with this type of question is to first go to how it was done in the early days, and go from there, this is the power of youtube and hobbyists you can find this stuff quite easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIoUTrSWvEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TitHhF0e79I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbwmXKwkgaw

and start taking notes, for example now I know what is really importarnt is a map good enough with landmarks (rivers, seas, mountains, etc) to get by (anaximander). Then the concept of latitude and longitude helps with the scaling and instead of drawing the whole world you focus in an area (like the Mediterranean.

you can version your work and add stuff or remove as you go, some islands become peninsulas, new islands, rivers are added, etc

add lore and merchant routes to make it more humane.

example of what I would do.

>>7610857
genuine german smut, bammes would be proud.

>>7610932
I see a lot of banding in the gradient then is probably dithering + color quantization, that black > purple > cyan gradient is common in quantization algorithms.

Sketches, how are they.

I am drawing my wifo for the paint thread.
How is it coming along?
Are the proportions, face, body everything super emga fucked?

>skip drawing for one day
>can't find the motivation to pick up the pen again

>>7610845
Good question. Actually. I would love to know too.

>>7611043
Skipping the second day is the mark of death to your habit. Draw now.

>>7611033
I think you have the same problem I have, joining the ribcage with the hip. maybe study the obliques, latissimus dorsi and abdomen.

>>7611041
I like the belly button a little hint of the skin rolls on the contour could look nice.

>>7611042
nice doodle I like the glowy effect on the brush, is it from the brush or blur filter?

>>7611047
Just gaussian blur on g-pen.
I admit I'm addicted to using this.

>>7611041
Only her arm is meh, otherwise it's a cool drawing

>>7611051
Yeah it is a placeholder just as her hand.
I was thinking just as I was doing yet another layer "Where the fuck is she and what the fuck is she laying on" but because it is Paint I was tired to shit of having to recolor lines before correcting.
>cool
r-r-really?
>>7611047
>hint of the skin rolls
At the sides?

>>7611053
>at the sides?
yeah something subtle

>>7610974
playing with painting. i realize i sort of fucked up because i should've used darker tones to represent depth on the hand, but oh well.

Just finished this one. What do I think of it?

>>7611068
beautiful, teach me everything you know :^)

Water is hard too understand.

>>7611070
Wet paper. Glance at reference. Slap brush on paper. Glance at reference. Slap brush on paper.

If it’s big poo, watch artists paint something similar. Wet paper. Slap brush on paper.

That’s it. I paint better when I’m just loosely interpreting. I dunno. I’ve learned everything from YouTube and patreon. Started from nothing 3 years ago.

thread challenge?

>>7611074
Whose patreon and whose youtube? I really like your work.
>>7611079
Here. I wanna see /beg/ draw a man for once.

>>7611081
johnny is trans

>>7611083
Really? Well, here's another man for thread challenge. I like this set better anyway.

>>7611081
For YouTube I just search like “watercolor [subject]” and scroll until I find something workable. I’ve mostly progressed beyond what’s freely available though.

Patreon is better as I’ve gotten better.
maria raczynska for wet-on-wet control

Anastasia Petriaeva and Eugenia Gorbacheva for style, reference approach, and inspiration

In general… just a ton of practice. Probably 1000 hours by now. Just have to make sure it’s useful practice

>>7610865
Yeah, thought the same for a while.
You dared saying it.

I appreciate the idea and the effort to automate it... but it's sloppa.

It’s been a while ic

>>7611081
>>7611084
men are easier to draw than women for me. they're more angular, and you can get away with more lines on the body

pray with me anon

>>7611041
Sience she rest her weight on arm it's gonna make her shoulder go up. It's more relaxed pose. Brachiaroradialis is streched in this position and it gives this specific bump on upper part. You can check how it behaves on your own arm.

>>7611071
Just think in 3D

>>7611084
good warm up
cba to hatch the legs properly tho

>>7611081
I need to look at things more carefully.

>>7610913
cursed

When copying refs, is it more effective to go for quality or quantity and instead just focus on the form/shape. I can finish about 4 a day but their all very detailed. I'm worried maybe I'm wasting time on this

>>7611279
depends on what you trying to learn.
Gesture or proportions? Go quick.
Anatomy and forms? Take your time.
All at the same time? Also take your time.

would love to make a game with some of my characters but to bad at code

>>7611282
You should really practice more on faces

>>7611284
yeah ...its my least favorite part....I got so many drawings that just stayed without a face....and probably will

>>7611171
Sry, nun-tan, ur ass is taking up the whole seat. Nice cross.

>>7611282
cute boy. not game worthy tho.

Monday morning drawing

Should I do color or monochrome..

it wasnt intended to look this sexual. next try for my avatar.

>>7611081
boring ahh ref

>>7611081
Quick sketch :)

>>7611332
>monochrome
i should try making a monochtrome drawing, i never did that b4

>>7611354
Do it. I'll do mine in monochrome too

>>7611224
>>7611041
>>7611062
Needs breast implants.

So i got the staedtler pen that was recommended in drawabox and it's the first time i'm using a pen so i can't tell if something is wrong with the pen or if i'm doing something wrong but like it sometimes randomly decides not to draw, and i have to go over a line multiple times until it decides to just work. I tried drawing with the pen at like a 90 degree angle, or a lower one but it still happens either way. Or is this just normal for pens?

>>7611378
>spending money on name brand pens
>listening to some random artist hack
>doing drawabox unironically

anon you fucked up

i dont know if that is normal for your type of pen, never had these issues with mine

>>7611380
I mean it wasn't expensive or anything. Also if i wasn't doing drawabox i wouldn't be drawing anything else anyway. There is no harm in it. I'm allowed to try it. Don't bully me.

>>7611380
what’s bad about drawabox? it can’t be just trolls recommending it

>>7611385
>>7611385
you can do it. in my case it killed my compassion and I stopt drawing for some months. you draw a box ...sooooon you will see...you draw your own prison for your creativity. anyways maybe Im talkig shit who knows

>>7611282
>>7611335
The most German artstyle I've ever seen in my life.

A painting of head from imagination.
Any tips?

>>7611385
i dont know where even to begin shitting on drawabox...
in what universe will drawing hundreds of boxes in perspective help you to draw anime girls? drawabox is a beg trap for people that are too low iq to set goals or practice exercises for themselves and need the game-ified dopamine hit of progressing through some rigid course - even if that "progress" is not aligned with their actual ambition

see that anon >>7611384
>Also if i wasn't doing drawabox i wouldn't be drawing anything else anyway.

drawabox is occupational therapy, it is not a good use of your time if you are a beg who wants to improve

>>7610914
draw the whole face

>>7611390
lol why ? now I wanna know

>>7611405
draw a box unironically let me astray for like a year lol i hate that fucking shit more than anything i hope the creator explodes in Minecraft and never returns to art discourse again, awful fucking course

>>7611413
what a cute PTSD thousand-yard-stare goat... i want to hug the trauma out of her <3

>>7611419
they only have one face: fear and dread

>>7611413
>>7611420
seriously though, how are you drawing characters with so much soul? i cannot draw appealing faces or accurate faces no matter how hard i try or how many exercises i come up with for myself
did you always draw characters that felt so "real"? did you develop the ability after years of doodling without any pressure? to say i am envious would be an understatement, i feel myself losing faith in my own skill and/or ability to learn because it has been so long without me stumbling upon the "secret" to soulful characters

i am beginning to question whether my conviction that everything in art can be learned and practiced actually has one exception: drawing believable expressive faces... =(

>>7611378
the (fine)liners? the tip can get clogged very easily
heard some people say they can be dead out of the box too.

>>7611413
DAB mogs you. Now go subscribe to the patreon so a child slave from the Philippines can critique your boxes.

>>7611405
I understand, desu I like to draw more trad shit than anime and I have pretty good directions of what I want to draw so I never really bothered with drawabox. But I did read loomis

>>7611424
hmmm, so the key to expressiveness is intuition. Whenever I get too mechanical about what I draw, I lose a lot of my expressiveness, as an example in my studies, I almost never can get the same level of expression. A lot of it is learning to trust your intuition and not necessarily trusting accuracy, even if you have to fight yourself. Art is a 2d medium - in order to get expressiveness, you have to exaggerate because you can't actually see the moving masses of the face that are associated with an expression in real life, it's very difficult to accurately get that in real time without looking uncanny which is a big reason why even an extremely talented person who does a realistic study of someone who is smiling will often come off as extremely uncanny valley, because our brains can't process seeing that crushed into two dimensions, the way it can process 3D expression. A lot of it is going with your gut and utilizing exaggeration and stylization. I'm not very technically skilled so it's difficult for me to express, but one of the worst things that I think that someone can do to get trapped in unexpressive art is to basically only use the Loomis face - I would rather have an asymmetrical face that is lacking some degree of construction that is expressive and conveys an emotion than have something with extreme rigidity that doesn't express anything. I definitely need to learn Loomis, but I would never let myself be dependent on it because I see what it does to people and what it creates if people become too dependent on underlying construction and not about the feel or forms of the mass. Another thing is letting yourself go off model with characters when necessary the same way they do it animation, although often criticized, I think it's a very essential part of expressiveness in a well-done animated piece and is very much lost in a lot of modern animation, both in Japan and the West.
Thank you, by the way. I could say more but don't want to bore you

>>7611426
i would rather get shot

Also, the thing with heavily expressive art is you're better off studying western fine artists than eastern artists which is a lot less straight forward. Western artists pre 1960 to me have a lot more appeal than both modern Western and Eastern artists because of how expressive they are. even an artist who wasn't particularly expressive in his subject matter, like Alphonse mucha, was capable of conveying so much expression in a simple face. It's a skill that's being lost

>>7611433
lmao that is not boring, that is very insightful! thank you!

i started out on a path of learning art with the goal to draw clean and detailed stuff because it appears that is what brings in commissions - but trying to be accurate and consistent and having good anatomy etc has kneecapped my art. everything you said rings very true.

part of me is already trying to find a way to optimize in a new way to guarantee expressiveness... lmao
when reading your post i already started to think
"okay, i need to trust intuition, but my intuition is underdeveloped, how can i "train" it? how can i train it to keep expressiveness while also making drawings that look high value in order to get commissions? how should i ..." and it goes on

since i am not getting commissioned anyways, maybe i should abandon that ambition entirely and only draw once in a blue moon whenever i feel like it... fuck i made myself sad

still, thank you very much <3 i will be thinking about your post for a while!

Jean D'Aiza :)

>>7611439
cute!
erase the construction line that indicates her skull, since you already have drawn the hair. that will push it from "sketch of an anime girl" to "actually an anime girl"
stay strong anon <3

>>7611446
I understand, having recently taken up commission work there's definitely a degree of polish that I'm finding which kneecaps a bit of soul. I think it's just finding an equal balance. A lot of way I got this way is because I actually used to be an Imsorryjon/internet meme horror person when I didn't have any fundamentals which is very much leaning into heavy expressionism because it's point is to be disturbing. I've always been very into that and over time I've been able to learn to convert that into something that has a bit more appeal rather than just being for the mentally disturbing and uncanny. I think a lot of it isn't just developing your skills but also developing your eye and learning what to look for. Consuming more art that is soulful, and branching out in the sort of art that you consume and make a part of your life definitely helps. As I said above, I think that looking into more Western expressionistic art definitely helps because you internalize components of that "soul." Modern art is very clean, very often lacking in soul and somewhat corporatized even when it's just individual commissioners. Fine art has a lot more of what you're looking for if you're looking for inspiration in that regard. Don't get me wrong, I love anime art styles, but it's just never who I've ever artistically looked up to, I've always looked up to Western fine artists and when I decided to pick up fundamentals I wanted to learn how to blend that interest in Western fine art and classical art with my character art. It sounds very pretentious, but if I had a goal it would be to be able to create things that resemble pre 1950 western fine art/ink work/expressionist and surrealist styles but of my characters and of my internal universe rather than anything else.

>>7611447
Friendly reminder that Joan d'Arc used her body to comfort soldiers

>>7611392
Looks good for the most part but the nose and jaw/chin are drawn like they're being viewed from a much lower angle than the rest of the face. The underside of the nose is too tall and not wide enough, and the jaw meets the neck too cleanly. Also the hair on the left flaring out so much looks weird, it should just fall straight down.

A lot of why I use this messy graphite or ink sketch style is because it "resembles" old sketchbooks by the western masters from before Bridgman and before the standardization of art, similar to gritty ink work. Even if it's just porn, I want it to have that feeling that if you weren't looking at the subject, it was drawn by someone from before artistic teaching standardization. I don't know if I'll ever get there, but maybe in a decade I will.

>>7611385
>it can’t be just trolls recommending it
BLTB
irshad cannot draw for shit, his "lessons" are just misunderstood + regurgitated peter han / scott robertson, you're better off just doing Dynamic Sketching from the vct

>>7610857
i like your bodies but the faces could use a little more something

>>7611473
hm yes you are right about that :/
maybe I should focus a little bit more on faces.

study/copy

>>7611447
:D

Tried this one without overlaying this time

How would you go about getting this sort of Art Nouveau style rendering digitally?

It's almost flat colours with very light/gradual shading.

I pretty much just stick to some basic cell shading so I'm really not sure on where to go to get to where I want to be.

>>7611282
>>7611335
I'll be very disappointed if these are flat chested girls.

>>7611442
Based fellow Mucha appreciator.

>>7611452
>>7611462
interesting
you are definitely achieving *something* with your art direction lol
kind of ironically, what your art reminds me of is specifically japanese artists (individuals rather than studios) who draw scribble doodles of anime girls that just stare into nothingness but manage to convey a sense of connection with the viewer that should not be possible from just pixels on a screen... and so few pixels at that!

that goat above is a prime example

even if i manage to finally decide that i want to abandon cleanliness for expressiveness... i have no idea how to practice it
i wish i could force myself to worry less :^)
this is the type of fundamental illness within me that i cant over come lmao
talking to you about this, i got the idea to at least gather the sketches of mine that accidentally, fortunately, had some expressiveness and try to remember what state of mind i was in when drawing. maybe i can find out what it is that switches on or off that allows for these lucky accidents
this is the latest sketch that happened to be such a lucky accident for me. it is almost half a year old ;_;


i appreciate your help very much! thank you <3

>>7611503
yeahhh quite a few JP individual artists have fantastic conception I just think most recent anime studios have been the death of creativity, lots of jp individual artists are still fuckin amazing rhoo
hmm, i don't think you're not expressive, i didn't realize you were red blob haha. its worth mentioning the pink/red brush you're using is expressive because it's soft even if it doesn't feel like that, so i don't think you're as far as you think from it
can you post some recent art?

>>7611437
damn that's fantastic

>>7611275
i adopted your fish

>>7611517
Thanks for reminding me to boot up my 5th Wukong playthrough
God I love that game

>>7611508
aside from my pages of exercises (which look deceptively good) these are a good representation of what it looks like when i (attempt) to draw an actual pic for real
one is how my sketch looks right before i start doing lines, the other is an attempt to - at least - go through the motions of finishing a drawing completely

you are very kind... thank you. i know my stuff is not that bad - but when looked at as more than the sum of its parts it is lacking appeal. these two pics took me multiple hours combined, while that sketch above >>7611503
took less than 5 minutes
it is undeniable that i have no (or even reverse) control over how my effort translates to "looking nice" lmao

and i wish i could translate *more* effort into more "appealing" pics to get commissions... since nobody wants to pay for a 5 minute sketch of their OC no matter how good it looks ;_;

She’s gonna give her husband a prostate exam

>>7611517
O, uh I think the game warden going to give them a fine for keeping undersized fish

>>7611524
whos your fave boss?
mine , not surprisingly, is broken shell

>>7611503
For your crime of besmirching the good name of PawellGOD, you are cursed to forever draw stiff soulless mockeries of anime girls. That is, unless you repent...

>>7611282
intendet to be a girl...
>>7611335
intendet to be my profile avatar, so probably not a girl.

>>7611525
have you tried forcing yourself to draw faster? i draw very fast and find it helps with getting the original image out of your head as fast as possible, im really fond of the left sketch

>>7611525
also imo you should try sketching with a bit of a harder brush, your sketches are really nice but there's a problem with always using soft foggy brushes that's coming out in your lined work where I think you're struggling with knowing what lines to actually use when inking. you should try sketching with a slightly harder, thinner brush if you want to lins it after so you know where to ink

>>7611533
>For your crime of besmirching the good name of PawellGOD, you are cursed to forever draw stiff soulless mockeries of anime girls. That is, unless you repent...
>unless you repent
NEVER >:(
I WILL SEE PAWELL IN NGMI-HELL !

>>7611540
actually yes, all my exercises are done on very aggressive timers (between 1 and 5 minutes) and they do come very expressive... however it is making my drawings more "finished" and "presentable" and "high value" that takes me literally hours and destroys any soul there might have been

talking to you has given me at least 2 ideas to change my approach for practice and for doing more finished pictures... sorry for causing gratitude-inflation with how often i say "thank you" lol, but it has been very insightful to hear your thoughts! thank you <3

>>7611501
>>7611538
forgot to add your post :p

>>7611551
yess those exercises are good I'm the same way. I'd just say trust your intuition more, thin the brush a bit when studying/sketching so you have a more confident base for linework and try taking more from your quick sketches in your finished work. you're good, but you could get even more good fast by doing that

>>7611540
>im really fond of the left sketch
thank you <3
this is the finished version

>>7611041
>>7611062
>6 Gorillion years for this
Kinos to not end up like this?

>>7611562
The colors and rendering on this one came out really really nice

>>7611580
What in the terraria on lsd is this

>>7611580
kino

I'm obsessed with this terrible brush it's so bad but I love it

>>7611317
absolute fucking sovl nvke
>>7611526
pretyty
>>7611486
based... i wish my wife would do that for me

Any ways of memorizing this shit?

Like
Ways easier than bashing the words in my brain

>>7611634
Holy mother of permabeg autism.
Just feel the form.

>>7611634
drawing will get you farther than any notes, because the goal is to do this subconsciously.

>>7611641
this is proportions numbnuts
>>7611644
Problem is I look at those words and just see slurry

>>7611650
Well because your notes are retarded, and nonsensical. Just use your eyes to see instead of trying to brute force results via reading. The only way you can brute force gains is by drawing.

>>7611634
i feel the schizo notes so bad

>>7611634
>draw head without worrying about any of this
>check proportions against your notes
>make corrections
>repeat

I'm so bored
Who wants to be discord friends and crit each other
I'm int by the way

csply

>>7611681
stop pretending to be me, i hate you people.

>>7611681
Are you trying to groom me?

Someone recommended me this channel.
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
How am I supposed to study this if it's in Japanese?

>>7611684
Who are you?

>>7611686
Yes

>>7611687
Learn japanese dumb ass
I started 2 years ago I can understand most of his ramblings by now

>>7611692
I'm already struggling to draw, I'm not going to invest time into learning Japanese lol

>>7611689
Post your discord so I can have an menopausal woman groom me.

>>7611681
I volunteer but I'm not int
theidform on disc

>>7611699
Nah i dont use alts so you can post yours
Not menopausal yet ;)

>>7611681
/int/ people are horrible.
You deserve to be alone.

>>7611698
Just do it retard. its not that hard. i had a harder time learning to draw than learning japanese

>>7611681
capokey :3

>>7611703
erm.. yea you are !

>>7611706
okay

>>7611709
Added

>>7611698
Since I'm a visual learner fag, Japanese was not a problem [no sympathy for anon]

>>7611709
Lmao my own mentor-thing told me I'm still pretty aggressively beg, so, will prob never escape it

>>7611714
Punch your mentor in the face, that'll help you in both ways

>>7611714
lets kill they/them

>>7611716
>>7611719
they mean well, they just have high standards and I suck ass lol

>>7611704
gullongullaction

>>7611714
bullshit. I dont even know what escaping beg means...also I dont know when someone is good enough to not post in beg. always room for something new or getting better.

here I colored it a little >>7611335

>>7611734
is this your self insert character/like a sona?
also thanks, glad to know people don't think i suck lol

>>7611737
Yes there also is a more muscular version.
You dont suck at drawing in my opinion.
I like this strokes and curves, I tend to use more technical straight strokes.
not because I really want to but because it works for me.

I almost gave up on this picture in it's earlier stages, but I pushed on, and am pretty happy with it (not the flat colours or the messy lines because I didn't want to bother going beyond sketch). I also didn't use a reference for the pose.

Haven't gotten enough critiques for my recent postings on here for some reason. She's from Gaslight District for those who are unaware.

>>7611761
So this is the power of construction

>>7611758
>Haven't gotten enough critiques for my recent postings on here for some reason.
im sorry to hear that anon
if i had to make up a reason to make you feel better... maybe there is nothing "glaring" to criticize about your drawings. sure you might still be a beginner but nothing about that pic jumps out for me as a particular weakness or gravely neglected blind spot of your drawing. so whatever path you took to get to this point, keep going!

the head and face and hands are done very well, even if i personally dont find it appealing lel
you seem to have gotten a bit sloppy on the rest of her body, i assume because it involved a lot of repetition and boring coloring work
even though the perspective / foreshortening is not quite right, that is a very confident attempt nevertheless

keep up the grind anon <3

>>7611766
>even though the perspective / foreshortening is not quite right, that is a very confident attempt nevertheless

I totally see that actually, mainly her right hand being quite large perspective wise. As for the rest of her body, that's just how her design is, she's wearing a body bandage suit thing.

Sorry you don't care much for her style, though I tend to at the moment at least, draw characters with different art styles so this isn't representative of my style...yet anyway.

>>7611335
I love it.
Wish to see the entirety of the drawing at the bottom

>>7611562
m-master....
I kneel.

>>7611562
socials?

>>7611580
most of your drawings end up in my inspo folder.

But don't let this make you stay comfortable.

>>7611771
hm stopped drawing on it but here you go

>>7611758
>>7611770
wait i take back everything i said
you should be shot for reducing the size of those child bearing mommy hips

>As for the rest of her body, that's just how her design is, she's wearing a body bandage suit thing.
oh i see, yeah that is a bold design to tackle. without very careful attention to lighting and making her silhouette asymmetrical with a special pose - no wonder it turned out a bit bland

on the other hand, the head and face now seem even better in your drawing

you should put more effort into making interesting poses and save some of your effort and time on the coloring front - i think you would benefit from that. i know doing interesting poses from imagination is a minefield of falling back on "safe" (and therefore boring) poses...

when drawing from imagination, do you draw a single pic from start to finish, or do you experiment with a couple doodles beforehand to pick a good one?

she won't groom me... its so fucking over...

Was stuck on a plane. Here's three sketches I pumped out. Going to fine tune them on a desk where I can actually move my arm

1 minute sketches. 15th v 1st sketch

>>7611781
Sorry, I tried my best and I figured her hips were maintained but I guess not :(

>when drawing from imagination, do you draw a single pic from start to finish, or do you experiment with a couple doodles beforehand to pick a good one?

Admittedly, I did do a pose prior with different leg positions, but it looked bad so I changed it. But I don't do drastically different poses normally I have an idea and try to figure it out during the gesture posing, and then I draw the layout and sketch.

Currently working on another pic so sorry if I didn't have much to say or address everything.

i posted on dead bread ;)))

>>7611780
tfw no boyish gf

>>7611816
deceptively good.
I like it

>>7611816
wtf kino

>>7611500
No comments on this? I see good progress with the back curves, anon, the size of the simplified ellipses representing her pelvis and head should not differ that much.

>>7611836
>my 41 year old coworker is a whore and her womb no longer works.jpg

>>7611836
cute but the reality would be so grim

>>7611840
>>7611841
both true (but i could fix her)

>>7611081
>>7611084

>>7611836
MILF ANON

when can i start painting

>>7611872
After 10 years of drawing.

>>7611796
>Sorry, I tried my best and I figured her hips were maintained but I guess not :(
im just joking around anon, i dont mean to actually talk down to you <3
admittedly, your hips are the right size, but in the "original" design, the rest of her features (mainly her waist and chest) are reduced in size to make her hips *appear* larger in comparison. you drawing has "correct" human proportions all around, losing a bit of this exaggerated-by-comparison effect

>Currently working on another pic so sorry if I didn't have much to say or address everything.
dont apologize <3
im looking forward to seeing it

>>7608539
Page 24 done! We're getting there. This one could have been better. Daily routine crap is a factor that doesn't help. I hope that I can gather motivation for the next final pages.
>>7608921
Thank you! I really wanted to add that piece of dialogue.
>>7610959
I love these figures! I need to try this, I like the 1st and the 4th the most.
>>7610857
>7610901
>7611282
>7611780
I'm blown away by how good this is! You're the fucking best! My god!
>>7610984
Absolute SOVL on sight
>>7611007
Beautiful head face rendering. I'll save it just for those eyes. This is good, Tremor
>>7611033
Killer figgies! SAVED!
>>7611243
You do really nice faces.
>>7611339
Excellent study, so simple and effective

Sorry, I run out of (You)s, this is a GREAT thread so far. Maybe I'll do the challenge of the "in your face" dude ref

>>7611917
Sadly it's not a picture I will share here and it's honestly not that impressive.

But hopefully you'll enjoy the next character I draw in a few days hopefully.

And regarding how I messed up the exaggeration of her anatomy...that's just my anatomy knowledge influencing that I guess.

does anyone here use anki decks for art study? if so care to share the deck?

This one will take a while

>>7611937
youre really glazing anything, your compliments are worthless

>>7611970
>treating drawing like rote language memorization
Jesus christ dude just fucking draw.

>>7612004
I do draw.
Anki decks help! I can never remember what thinks like occlusion shadow means unless I use repetition

>>7612004
Some autists can't do without structure.

>>7611970
how would that work?

>>7612010
i need it to remember what the fuck shit like lighting terms cast shadow form Shadow etc means bc my memory is shit without repetition lol

>>7612010
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1193612620 you can look at this one if you're curious, they're like study alongs

>>7611869
was writing a comic then i got distracted by the coom again. my mc needs to be less fuckable

>>7612026
or more

>>7611937
now im back at drawing kobayashi :p

>>7611025
I think stopping at rivers is the right call, after this is just come to study maps and draw your own. just keep it simple. But this was a fun detour.

>>7611950
nice colors, I like the gradient

>>7611833
it looks flat, learn how to communicate a plane change better, draw some rocks.

>>7612029
I like this better but overusing those hatches can be bad, it almost looks like damage.

i think i need to stop seeking validation and advice from people that will never like my art on a stylistic scale because it isn't cute enough
if people don't like what you're going for, they can probably never give honest judgements, i think, no matter how unbiased they think of themselves as. just as i probably can't give honest judgements on specific western cartoon styles.
it's just a humiliation ritual
>>7611937
thanks peril, glad you like my simplified line exercises! enjoying the mob scenes a lot, particularly fond of the bearded fellow in panel 4. "die before they fade" is a lovely usage as well! this poor girl..
also thanks, i'm trying to learn digital rendering a bit between commissions, haha.
>>7612014
is this really yours wtf, that shading is so fucking awesome
>>7612029
getting better
>>7612026
you've gotten better at clothes and values

>>7612029
how do you draw such a sexy body but struggle with faces? not trying to be rude it's just perplexing. are you attempting a different style than what you usually go for?

I have.. arrived

>>7611500
do you really want to hear? Its stiff, flat and unintelligible

>>7612070
so much peak fileanon

how is the composition

>>7612076
blog?

>>7612069
I always just drawed what is important to me...
looks like faces are not so important to me.
but you are right I should get better with that.
Its almost like im thrilled to draw the whole time (when I draw a body) and when it comes to the face ...Im already annoyed of it....even if it would be cool to give my characters more impression

damn i drew this 3 years ago and its not even bad, i havent progressed at all
im gonna fucking end it soon

>>7612081
sorry you will have to find me in the wild

>>7612088
fuck you nigga

>>7612088
based
fuck blogbeggers

>>7612067
i dfe'd to avoid being associated with you and your kind btw.

>>7612110
understandable man

>>7612086
It is giving me very homoerotic vibes and I am going to need you to draw more. Preferably with a bigger throbbing bulge.
I am even willing to.pay you 60 bucks to draw gay shit that would make CheeseCrumbles look like a catholic nun.

>>7612110
although i have to ask, who are you in specific so i know not to reply to you in thread if ya don't want me 2

>>7611957
>Sadly it's not a picture I will share here
thats okay too <3

>And regarding how I messed up the exaggeration of her anatomy...that's just my anatomy knowledge influencing that I guess.
well deliberate exaggeration of proportions is a pretty advanced thing to tackle... and a matter of personal taste on top of that

those are what is referred with the saying
>know the rules so you can break them (consciously)

that stuff is beyond the realm of objective right and wrong. please dont take that comment of mine about her hips too seriously, i still feel guilty in that it came off harsher than i intended too lol

ganbatte anon =)

>>7612117
unfortunately i've apparently regressed and cant fucking draw the shit i drew 3 years ago
let me pull out my copes though:
- It was heavily refereced
- I sank a lot of time into it
- Its not actually that good

Oh and I found a newer version, not sure if its better or worse

>>7612052
>>7612070
It was a sketch to judge proportion without overlaying, probaly shouldnt of went in to do folds and stuff but still, why would you expect me to concentrate on line weight and rendering on a sketch. inb4 cope...just joshing guys, crits like this keep my ego in check

new pawel art fresh from the discord
he's not dead!

>>7612128
what sketch? its all clean lines, clearly connected, no searching lines, no helper lines, no inconsistencies, what sketch?
It's fine if you think having an ugly sketch doesnt matter (I think it's cope) but then why post it, if you know better then why ask for opinions if you arleady know the sketch is bad but it doesnt matter

>>7612132
Redblobfag on suicide watch.

>>7612136
Thats my idea of a sketch when I do it on a tablet. I find it impossible to be loose and quick using one, maybe I need stabilization...I posted it cus for the same reason everyone else here does so lets both just get back to our grinds

birdie practice

>>7612149
how the FUCK can you be quick and loose with stabilization? you need to pick a less committal brush, something lighter or just use a lighter color instead of pure black

>>7612154
Not sure because I never use it. I use a big sketch brush when I want to do contruction or something like that. Maybe its because the pad I use is small so its hard to make sweeps instead of using the wrist.

>>7612161
everyone uses the wrist, elbow/shoulder drawing is a stupid fucking proko/drawabox psyop

>>7611413
You're stupid, this should help with perspective, you talanglovskaya piece of crap

i feel like redblob doesn't really understand what he's talking about a lot of the time

>>7612132
My knees... T-They're bending on their own

>>7612163
I'll take you're word for it since I'm still firmly in the beg category. Next time I post though i sgoing to make your girl wearing the push up look flat...I promise you

The king is about to return to his castle...

dont know if this face got any better....also more muscles. what gender would you think that is? I aim for something androgynous

>>7612175
My girl?

>>7612180
a boy wearing makeup

Was for the /lit/ thread on this board.

Didn't find the time for today's thread challenge, maybe the thread will be up tomorrow as well, though.

>>7611588
lol
>>7611589
thanks
>>7611776
thanks for the advice, you have a point!

Already looking forward to pawell's shitty advice, but boy will I cherish it

>>7612180
it's a step in the right direction i'd say

>>7612204
good.
>>7612186
very good. thank you!

Apparently I don't know how Gradient maps work. :/

Any tips for using Gradient Maps?

drawing on the right side of the autism

>>7612076
if you remove the chocobo, the image will still read the same and I think thats bad.

>>7612128
I think it would be beneficial to you to draw rock. I will start too, if you want I can post resources I find.

>>7612132
mogs me

>>7612238
how do i fix that? the griffin is supposed to not actually be interacting with them (or at least not acknowledged). maybe it has a leg more in the forefront or its wings are coming from around the right side (?)

>>7612237
superb taste
oban star racers

>>7611041
Chat, how to make the tits less grotesque?

>damn dats crazy
Tobias you just killed a cult leader because you think his sons hot

>>7611041
You could have even pretended to try with that popsicle

>>7612252
yeah I love it!

>>7612275
I-its a wip!

>>7612086
I'd fuck him, anon.

>>7612126
Shut up. listen to this man, >>7612117.

You can do it anon. Draw gay smut for us.

>>7612275
Only the popsicle? Everything about that permabeg shit is TRASH!

>>7612145
>Redblobfag on suicide watch.
>mfw

More Morpho today
>>7612150
They cute

>>7612249
>how do i fix that?
I think I know what are you going after, but i feel it translates better in animation where you can see the before and after. with the context you gave
>the griffin is supposed to not actually be interacting with them (or at least not acknowledged).
I think it could be fun to put the brido on a leash and the man pulling him down like cesar millan does on his show, so it can't interrupt the conversation/flirting.

It may be harder to draw but from what I've seen you can crush it if you go this way or another.

anyways I drew something male. I am very happy about the lines this time...a lot of Bazier lines anyways

>>7612300
>>7612180
>>7612029
>>7611282
>>7610857
your images are boring. surprise us next time

>>7612302
nodraws should not speak unless spoken to

>>7612302
you are boring....at least say what I should draw so that you dont think its "boring"....

>>7612295
thanks. Cute cot, I should try drawing mine sometime as well

>>7612269
this will sound weird but tits are sacks, not balls

>>7612314
MODS

>>7612300
I like it. The face is a lot better then some of your other stuff.

Would definitely lewd him.

Also wanted to say your poses are consistently great. Very nice and gestural.

first attempt at cross hatching, just winging it

>>7612298
thanks for the illust anon. tho what i mean by not interacting with them is that it's not actually real, like a figment. so it being on a leash doesn't work in that context
think of it as like a mystical negro that lives in monologues in the clouds

>>7612329
thank you! pose and body is mostly my focus....and I tryed a little more with the face than usual

shape studies

>>7612339
oh thats beyond my IQ anon, good luck

>>7612311
>at least say what I should draw so that you dont think its "boring"....
"surprise us" I said
you're clearly good but wasting time on basically drawing the same picture over and over. I want to see what you can do other than shemales standing around doing nothing

Second cat literally mindraped and cursed me
>>7612312
Thanks. Draw cats daily

>>7612355
he started turning into sonic
where do you get your cat references

>>7612364
Pinterest mostly. Search something like "cat before:2021" to filter out AI slop

>>7612345
triangles
>is looking at the pizza restaurant / gay bar indicator for pentagon activity

circles
>cannot believe that is a real thing

squares
>has 80% of all his assets invested in government contract military suppliers

>>7612315
What if the bikini is super tight?

>>7612295
> copying morpho like a king, then includes more cats, mocks us

>>7612378
https://mybigtitsbabes.com/samanta-lily-red-bikini/

>>7612348
okay. i will try. but first I need to sleep.

>>7612371
Accurate

>>7612403
also would you believe this was actually the result of a guided lesson about shape design in a udemy course

People watching and hallucinations.
This doodling thing on my patio is helping I think. I'm remembering more and more things by the day from a simple glance. I recommend it (and go to the zoo).
Also I saw a naked woman through her window 10 minutes ago and drew it by instinct so I guess I'm a peeping Tom because of this hobby now.
>>7612384
No mockery here and more cats on the way

Okay, what do I do from here? Like, what part of the head should I start copying?

>>7612422
BRUH

>>7612423
Yep, I know it's bad. That's why I'm here and asking for help. What should I do next?

>>7612424
I don't see the original having a cross in the middle

>>7612425
Don't you have to do guidelines? I'm trying to do things the right way.

>>7612426
>I'm trying to do things the right way
And that's where you're going in the wrong direction

>>7612428
Please elaborate.

>>7612429
No

>>7612432
Are you just here to waste people's time?

>>7612434
Draw the face without a cross that isn't actually there.

>>7612422
Stop with the 3d lines that bend around the head and shit. Just do straight lines like this.

Also do the construction on your reference first, then copy the construction you drew on there.

>>7612434
you are talking to a literal schizo
read the sticky
it warns people to NOT DO exactly that...

>>7610833 (OP)
>DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works and sketches!

this one is the "but HOW?" type schizo

>>7612437
That's a good idea, I'll try that.

I said i was gonna draw everyday but i already missed a day. Pathetic, right?

>>7612437
Real quick, I know this is mega newbie shit, but is there supposed to be a second reference line at the eyebrows like that? I'm seeing so many conflicting sources about how many guidelines there should be and where, as well as how large relative to the face the "jaw" segment should be. Is there a definitive version of either?

>>7612442
Construction is a method to decompose a subject into more primitive shapes. There is no definitive method because it's ultimately something you figure out for yourself. Find a good starting point and work from there. Add and subtract tools and methods as needed.

>>7612442
I do it like that sometimes if they are not at a straight angle, if it helps u place them better do it. In the traditional loomis method the middle of the sphere is usually where the brow is, and on this anime head it's the same, and the lower part is where the eyes are usually in anime at least.

Just keep grinding these heads and with time u find the best way for you to do it.

>>7612441
you feel bad for missing a day...
i assume in the past you did not care about missing a day / opportunity to draw, right?
that in itself is progress. you are setting higher expectations for yourself!
also, a habit is not *only* doing it regularly, it is also a habit of recovering from setbacks that are inevitable in life

be kind to yourself and ganbatte your best anon!

>>7612442
It really depends on what works for you on an individual scale, I usually don't use guidelines at all (don't do this) but play around until you figure out what you like

>>7612454
thank you anon you are very kind

>>7612463
<3

Pawell won doe

>>7612467
won what

>>7612467
he won a doe?

fug
any tips on drawing wet shirts?

beast guy who draws the fluffy things. what are they. please tell me

>>7612467
>Pawell won

>mfw

Pawell....

>>7612473
Brother, there are like 6 gorillion youtube videos about that

>>7612300
cute pouch

can't lay down anything good on paper
what's the point of this
three hours for some lines that aren't complete and won't look good
no friends
nothing

who's pawell ?

>>7610824
I assumed art supplies were kind of a meme but I fell for it anyway and wow it is so much nicer to draw with more than a blunt HB and an eraser that's worn down to a nib
if anyone has any good introductory lectures/videos on construction that aren't already in the wiki please share them, I'll be trying it out for the first time tomorrow so I'd like to make sure I'm starting out with the right idea, then I can post more than monkey-see monkey-draw imitations of reaction images and mundane objects and really start drawan from the sovl

>>7612515
>That godly mouse
>Funky weird faces
Man. Why are human faces, even heavily abstracted ones, so insanely hard to do right?

>>7612519
i don't think his faces are funky or weird, i might be autistic tho

>>7612519
what I found interesting about that exercise was that I had an easier time drawing the facial features from memory (left-side) than reference (right-side), I think the crumpling and damage on the paper on the right-side drawings shows that
not only can I not draw shoelaces, this still life seems to suggest that I can't tie them either
but I am happy with the unintended consequence of the indents of erased lines giving a convincing texture to the material and I think my shading worked out well

Really fucked it up.

>>7611937
This one looks much prettier than what you normally do. I like it.

>>7612545
Tan is alright.

>>7612545
sex

>>7612545
I could coom to this though. Also, based taste in anime girls

>>7612551
because he got a redline from some other guy

>>7612545
sex

I learned how to rip 3d model from game (it's really easy) and this shit feels like cheating, especially for characters with complex or whacky design,

>>7612237
Holy kino

>>7612578
NGMI

>>7612586
Should I pay some cosplay whore to pose for me for the true artist experience instead?

Where's the horizon line in this image? Left is my freehand based on what felt correct, right is where the horizon line should probably be? I think? For some reason my guess feels more "true" to me but the horizon line can't be that low right?

>>7612599
Yes.
Sometimes you get to fuck the model afterwards too if you got game

>>7612599
No dont enable these whores, use AI if you have to, that shit is less immoral in comparison

>>7612602
She isn't majorly tilting forward or backwards so the horizon line would be where right where the top planes of the forms stop being visible and the bottom planes are seen instead. Photographer probably took it closer to her eye level since none of the body seems to be at an upward facing angle.

This fucking heat is killing any and all motivation to draw
I hate this Godforsaken shitrock of a planet

the extent of my painting ability

>>7612609
Oh okay, so basically the ground plane I drew on the left was in fact just completely wrong? Idk why it looks so much more natural to me then.

>>7612602
I'd say it's around her knees

>>7610833 (OP)
the coloring/shading feels a bit muddy to me idk

>>7612238
Sure, if you have resources then post them, I'm always looking for more

>>7612639
the neck seems long to me?

is it over?

how far off from high beg am I right now?

>>7612586
vilppu only draws from reference fucking tard

trying something new. couldnt sleep so I experimented.

>>7612659
really nice

>>7612659
ugly nose

>>7612659
it's great! my favorite bildschirmfoto from this thread

Nya, nya nya. Nya

>>7612639
you using too much of the same hue. Play with saturation. Values seems fine but you can push them more in darkest areas.
His nose needs some work.

>>7612602
It's slightly below center.

>>7612659
Looks great!

the anime heads are takako studies and the top right is an adam hughes study but the rest is mine

>>7612659
Booba

>>7612561
>cooming to another man's waifu
>>7612560
>>7612553
>>7612574
Get better standards and BASED redrawmog.

>>7612710
Putting some lines on both. Colors once I'm happy with lines

>>7612545
Very nice

>>7612574
Cant believe how much some quality shading can uplift a mediocre drawing.
Really nice job anon but the tiny head and her oversized breasts still need fixing.

>>7612686
thank you. I like the way you use colors, less bold than me. have to experiment more with krita brushes but all I do is lineart
>>7612672
mhhh I know I know my faces are not the best
>>7612664
thanks!
>>7612678
always make bildschirmfotos it uses less space :D

wtf proko no ones legs look like that

>>7612545
permabegskino!

>>7612724
Is it true that your toilets have a shelf used for poop inspections?

>>7612545
>>7612574
Where is rapeman when you need him? Those cow udders are begging for a rapeful titfuck.

>>7612759
yeah. but mostly in older houses. also no water spalsh

>>7612760
he got bullied a bunch a few threads ago so idk if he's coming back for a while

>>7611084
Male Challenge
>>7612067
Thanks Tremor! I'm glad you're following this, I'll finish it soon. Next panel will be the branding scene. I want to go through that stuff as quick as possible lol. I do have an internal debate tho, about if showing how Morwenna poisons Eusebia clearly, or if to be subtle about it. I mean, it could be rewarding to see the exact moment when Morwenna is getting back a Eusebia with clear intent. I'll see about that. Not decided yet.
>>7612551
Really? Thank you! This page was quite rushed, I'll try to slow down in the next ones since it's the conclusion.
>>7612568
lol NAH, I didn't even remember to take a look at that, I don't look back a the other pages, that's why everything looks slightly different every time. That figure has a height of exactly 1000px originally, there's not much I can add at that resolution, her hands are almost plain squares, lol. I'm sure that if he does a redline of this one again he will make it look better, 'again'.
>>7611990
>youre really glazing anything..
What do you mean? I don't get it.

>>7612029
>>7612180
>>7612300
>>7612659
Dude you're freaking incredible! How are you this good?

drawing on the right side of the autism
>>7612771
glad you're getting there peril (: I've been really impressed with this project so far

>>7612771
>What do you mean? I don't get it.
that you're complimenting every shit drawing, your compliment are worthless

>>7612771
nice lines

i know that drawing on the right side of the brain is pseudo science but doing studies upside down does seem to actually be helping a bit with the symbol drawing thing or understanding what im symbol drawing so I guess it serves a purpose
Did my proko anki deck this morning. Proko why are you like this. Is it actually necessary to have an anatomy degree to draw and understand every single thing or is he just insane
artist for the original is abz j harding

>>7612783
And >>7611041
people give permabegschizo >>7612545
dozens of replies. Whats the big fucking deal?

>>7612787
pyw

>Paint for an hour
>Still don't know how to

I think the meme was lying

The face is too far up and too large, right? I've been fucky at following guidelines lately, feels like every circle I draw is incorrect, no matter how much Loomis says every circle is good.

>>7612802
Fucking hell. I hate phones, let me post it right side up.

>>7612802
>>7612803
yes. for the most part its on the same level as the eyes
practice circles for a few minutes as part of warmup

>>7612803
Gap between eyes <-> nose tip, nose <-> mouth, mouth <-> bottom of face are often equalish. Yeah, the chin can be bigger, but not that much as yours.

>>7612807
Figured! I guess I'm just confused as to which part of the eye, I've seen people do it under the eye, in the middle of the eye, at the top of the eye, and at the eyebrows. Not sure which is best.

>Practice circles
I will! It's hard knowing what a "good" circle looks like, especially given that they (might?) need to vary between head shapes.

contour drawing exercises

>>7612650
How can it be over when you haven't finished?

>>7612652
Far

line based drawig
shape based drawing
form based drawing

>>7612835
lines face with forms body

>>7612835
rip anon, textbooks are not your forte

>Get several suggestions to draw from life or draw animals because it's easier than humans, even anime ones
>Try
>Picrel
Man, what a crock of shit. In any case, what could I do to improve this? I know, for starters, that the bottle I drew just wasn't big enough. It LOOKED big enough when it was just the bottle, but it became apparent as I added the front labels that it wasn't, and especially so with the back ones.

>>7612846
FUCKING hell, I was holding the camera deliberately upright so this shit wouldn't happen. Here.

>>7612847
Double fuck, it didn't really get the angle I was seeing it from. This is closer. Last image, I swear.

>>7612842
what?

>>7612858
Looking good so far! Jealous of your constructies.

>>7612861
yipee

blind contour. these really suck, but oh well, I guess that's the point isn't it. not to look good but to train your brain. still disgusting to look at though
>>7612847
it's not that bad, do multiple iterations
>>7612858
good work! try being a little more confident, though, and scratching your lines less
>>7612842
he's doing fine
>>7612800
you're really good at colors! especially the face and hair colors and values. I would try adding some more depth so it looks more 3d and some deeper values on the edges so there's more distinction between parts like his head and neck. Define the shadows of your planes a little more, right now it's all soft edges

oh. my hideous blind contour got destroyed by me accidentally clicking choose file

>>7612858
left arm too big

>>7612866
what are blind contours noonie?

>>7612876
not looking at my drawing while I'm drawing outlines/folds/lines and not structure, just a commonly recognized exercise from certain drawing philosophies. I'm trying to break out of habitual symbol drawing which is why when I'm not doing comms I'm doubling down on contour drawing so hard

>>7612847
Placing your notebook on a flat surface like that might be distorting your perspective which is why the bottle is fat at the bottom on your drawing. Think about getting a cheap desk easel from amazon. In the meantime just keep copying stuff and check out the dynamic sketching general too.

>>7612737
>anki to learn drawing

I will never get good

>>7612892
The world needs permabegs for the art ecosystem to thrive. Thank you for playing your role!

>>7612478
redblob senpai, pls share your brush with us

>>7612894
im actually permaint

>>7612886
painting more accurately and anatomy not drawing itself

I want to dream, I want to start drawing again.
I will do that now.

>>7612410
keep grinding anon! its pretty flawed still, but some parts - viewed in isolation, on their own - are okay! proportions overall are wonky but individual body pars are hinting that you understanding of anatomy is on the right track
consider doing "classical" figure drawing exercises, i think the digital tools at your disposal and the expectations to do clean lines and coloring might be taking away from your brain power and sabotaging the more fundamental parts of figure drawing. by "classical" i mean drawing more loosely, not using color (yet, at least if it is supposed to be a practice drawing) and doing multiple figure sketches in a short time, mixing drawing from reference and from imagination

>>7612470
>gaveup.png
poor anon, hang in there <3

>>7612514
a schizo that used to haunt this thread
now he lives on as a mere memory, whispered amongst those who witnessed his terror
(ctrl+f "pawell", in this or the previous thread there is his gallery linked)

>>7612515
>>7612532
im tired boss, i am swamped in bullshit =(
ill try to restrain myself and not write another essay...
construction can be very subjective, individual, intuitive (my preference) or very rigid, formulaic, borderline autistic (i discourage this, so my advice is biased)
also, construction depends on what you are drawing... the closest thing to a generalization i can think of is that mantra i mentioned "what is the largest, simplest, most important, thing i have not drawn yet? draw that! repeat..."
when you see other artists describing their approach to constructing complex subjects, do not fall into the trap of copying them exactly forever. these instructions should serve you to understand what some art teacher is thinking while drawing... you will ideally, hopefully, come up with your own shortcuts and markings and (literal) guide lines that feel natural for you. this takes practice and experience and time, and is never completed [cont]

>>7612515
>>7612532
>>7612918
[cont]
you will develop and refine your personal way of constructing subjects as long as you draw

as for how to even start... depends on what you want to draw. if you draw vehicles and buildings, then starting with some perspective lines and enclosing box shapes. if you draw figures, you could draw a stick figure, add blobs for muscles (/muscle groups / whole body parts) and mark important, unchanging, spots of the body...

if you draw a lot, you will naturally, through laziness and pattern recognition, begin to group features together and make shortcuts to indicate them, stripping away details to be drawn at a later stage. these shortcuts and marks and guide lines will grow to contain a lot of information imbued in them by you and your own way of understanding the 3d form of your subject. you will draw these shortcuts earlier and earlier in the drawing stage, because they are so helpful in placing subsequent brush strokes. this personal collection of shortcuts will become your way of constructing a subject.

what is it that you want to draw, and be able to construct in order to draw from imagination? humans?

>>7612895
its literally just a hard round brush, putting down transparent "glazes" (or erasing partially) and trying to be deliberate with brush size and the shapes that are created indirectly

contour pilled

holy fuck i figured out how to place eyes on the face

>>7612934
good for you!
next how about you figure out how to place the fucking mouth!
LOLOLOLOLOL GOTEM

(what was the revelation? share it pls)

>>7612939
i think the eyes are in the right place no?

>>7612934
>>7612939
>>7612940
yeah the eyes seem fine... im just joking that the mouth being that high up is giving slightly retarded vibes lel

what was it that made you "figure out" how to place the eyes? i am curious

no motivation to draw but drawing
going so slow its killing me

more practice

how do i take these to the next level? specifically, I think I need help learning how to detail, but i'll take any advice

>>7612686
dont mind if i.. patu patu patu

>>7612926
ur so good noonie..

>>7612971
I am so jealous of you it's insane
>>7612972
Thanks! Cute girl
I'm contour pilled now lol this is so much better than using construction

>>7612971
cast shadow and industrial design rendering

Wip, how bad have I fucked up?

>>7612918
Can you give an example of more classical figure drawing and lose lines?

>>7610833 (OP)
I just like drawing cute girls.

>>7612989
badly but honestly further than this i cant explain how
i accidentally cropped it but jsut zoom in i guess

>>7612989
The foreshortening is goofy as is the comstruction of the hand. The other arm's marginally better, but needs tweaking. How is it in front of the character's head? Try reworking the pose.

I'M SO FUCKING CONTOUR PILLED NOW

>>7613005
>>7613010
Thanks for the high effort crits. Did some fixing but left his left hand the same as thats pretty much how it is in the refernce pose I used, same sword and everything

>>7613025
post the ref so we can all understand the foreshortening on this pose

>>7613033
bruh
getting btfo'ed by this

ugly fucking car

>>7613042
Thanks for the help on the upper arm. I don't know why you've left a bunch of school teacher question marks. I just used the pose as a refernce...I wanted to change some things

>>7613048
oh sorry i put question marks when i draw something shitty and question myself about it

>>7613052
Oh ok my bad then. Thanks again :)

Practicing some gesture.

from imagination
where she goin

>>7612972
Good patu patu od nice! Well done anon

I don't post a pic so you don't know who I am

But I am so depressed .

Art is all I have.
I suck at it.
I'll never stop.
I draw till I die.
I'll draw with rage. I'll die with rage. Draw, draw, draw, till the end.

>>7613093
stay strong anona

1 boy done 1 to go
love monochrome rendering so much

>>7613104
(i did just realize i forgot his zipper, rip)

>>7613093
anon maybe you should go to a doctor this doesnt seem healthy

>>7613093
i catch your vibe

>>7613004
me too, but a friend really wanted a birb bild so I had to digress from my usual subjects

>>7612803
smug level: infinite
yes either the features are too far up or the chinline is too pointy and too low, depending on the angle you want to depict

>>7613013
>>7613107
these are really fucking good, it's good to see you try something else

>>7613121
wow! thank you so much, nice bird. I realized I really hate using construction and eyeballing contours is a lot easier lol, drawing feels like such a high after you make a breakthrough like that

its fun to spend more time on a single piece but it also feels really bad because you could be drawing more in quantity

ill just move on, dont even know how to render / hatch the skin on the right, if someone could give some guidance I would aprecciate it

>>7613121
very cool..

>>7613004
>>7613063
keep it up fellow redpen user

>>7613107
my goat..

>>7613152
thanks!

>>7613228
For a second there I thought the texture of the paper was light amounts of pubes spread across the paper lol

>>7613236
LMFAOOO it's the Strathmore toned paper texture

>>7612918
>>7612924
the truth is I don’t really know what I want to draw right now, I haven’t started drawing of a desire of “I want to draw boats” or “I want to design cereal boxes” or “I want to draw cute anime girls with enormous futa cocks”, I want to learn to do so as an outlet to exercise the creative muscles of my brain, and I realise that having that as my sole motivation instead of channelling my learning into an existing desire to create something probably doesn’t bode well for the chances of me sticking with it long term
so, more shortly, I think I’m more interested in the process of learning rather than pursuing any particular outcome, and in that process of learning I guess I’ll try drawing boats AND cereal boxes AND cute anime girls with enormous futa cocks to see if any of it sticks on a level beyond a desire to improove or for the sake of proving to myself that I can
I’m a pretty uncreative person so going from drawing what I see, to drawing abstract composite shapes of what I see to drawing things purely from my brain all seem like monumental steps that I’m hesitant to take, but I’ll consider your posts carefully once I acquire the balls to do so

>>7613305
also I realise that all of this means nothing until I start actually fucking drawing from my head rather than just talking about drawing from my head, I’m just neurotic and write about it to try to understand and cope with my inaction towards doing so

Utter noob tourist here, trying to draw my streamer waifu chilling on the ground.
Hair was a nightmare to get into a remotely believable shape, so I did individual strands. It's a bit better, but now they look all noodly. Got any tips?

>>7612924
redblob sen0pai, you gave us earlier a way to practice figure drawing, namely, to draw the same ref 5x quickly. Is this how you learned rendering and painting as well? HOw doy ou recommend going about learning shadow and developing form with tone?

everything i tried to draw today didn't work out

>>7613333
tomorrow will be a better day nonnie

>>7613333
I have a feeling you didn't draw anything.
THOSE QUADS THO..

Guys. I AM PERMABEG!
ALL I DRAW IS FUCKING TRASH. THAT NOBODY LIKES.
REEEEEEEEEE

>>7613341
>tried to do a figure for an idea i had for a couple days
>couldn't figure out how to lay it out
>tried to draw a cat
>chose a hard subject where i can't clearly see it's forms and has lots of detailed markings
>gave up on that as well and just tried doing a bit of studying from a chibi artist i like and did a head but that was it

>>7613345
me too. tfw permabeg. tfw person helping me with art told me how beg I was. Tfw tfw

>>7613063
Just wanted to share the finished piece.

>>7613359
Naw you are good.
>>7613379
mogs me.

>>7613383
thanks..

How do I not get filtered drawing bodies

I have been drawing on and off casually since middle school but I've only recently started looking into working on fundamentals. Just picked up gesture drawing and I think it's been helping a bit but I would appreciate a red lining regarding the proportions. I attempted more exaggerated anatomy but it looks strange. All done from imagination (very clearly).

TLDR please bully me I have a degradation fetish

>>7613397
git gud

>>7613308
I will keep it as simple as possible if you just want to have fun.

1.paint a big shape that looks what you want
2. draw a rough outline, don't draw individual strands they are noise, big strands and gaps
3. use a darker color and lighter color to refine the strands.
4. use references, if you want trace, overlay, photobash, with time you are going to be doing this stuff by intuition.

boorus are a great resource to find specific stuff.


good luck have fun, always work from big/general to small/detail.

>>7613345
>>7613359
me too

New: >>7613408

>>7613121
Cool birb. What medium(s) did you use?
>>7613152
I like this concept. Since you're working in digital why not fuck around a bit with rendering? You have all kinds of freedom to experiment and iterate without permanently ruining the drawing.
>>7613333
Draw cats.

>>7612897
Hold on a fucking second. I've seen your youtube videos.
This you? Or where you just inspired by him? https://www.youtube.com/@10.000hrs

>>7613421
Full pencil/ graphite stick, knead eraser, knife and crumbled up tissue for smudging. birb is acryl crayons.

>>7613467
This guy is like a drawabox final boss, only boring shit for a year and 500 hours. Does he plan to hit 10k in 20 years?

face is better but still lips look strange...anyways I really like the green colors.

>>7614358
das bildschirmfoto ist sehr guht. der kunstmeister.

playing with digital pastels

you misspelled benis!