Thread 7611054

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpg
Naoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12
AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358
Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

Previous Thread:
>>7576008

this one is oldest western anime artwork i know, his work was popular in 00s newgrounds

>>7611159
>western anime
what

>>7611648
h-her eyes are completely different shapes... kowai...

took a request from the /a/ drawthread for a busty mega milk konata

Give me one good reason why I should copy anime because everything in here at least for the past few threads looks like it has been taken straight out of the pre/beg/ thread.

>>7612304
I can give you one good reason why you should kill yourself

>>7612369
Its Anime is it

>>7612296
>no replies in 3 hours
I guess this is either shit, or not interesting enough to reply too? would like at least some feed back so at least so I can adapt and change my methods.

i feel like i'm getting better at understanding yukiwo's artstyle, but man am i bad at seeing arms as cylinders, other than the eyes that i still can't get right, i'm disappointed with the bracelets that just have no volume at all.
https://files.catbox.moe/tmpbss.jpg
4chan-x is giving me a connection error when i try to post with an image

>>7612465
Her body was sexy, however her hair and eyes (or her face overall) was uninteresting... The font of the letters while beautiful was unclear, thus make it little pain to read.
There are many things to improve on, but it was not that bad. You have blog?

>>7612512
>>her hair and eyes (or her face overall) was uninteresting
I would like suggestions to study please? suggestions are great, this pic was a heavily experimental and render heavy peace for me. I've only been drawing for 2 years and 2 months.
>>The font of the letters while beautiful was unclear, thus make it little pain to read.
I hand wrote it by mouse [spoiler]I draw by mouse too[/spoiler], so sorry about the font being shit. even with a pencil my hand writing is ass. my motor control is atrocious because un ironic autism.
>>You have blog?
no I don't have a blog, I draw mostly mlp fanart anyways.

>>7612296
sorr y this general lost track, nothing but crabs
i would resize left hand

>>7612518
bigger or smaller? I went small, perhaps too small because of inexperience.

>>7612523
bit bigger

>>7612469
you need to mind the connection points as those are what dictate the 3d feel. and you aren't exactly studying a moneyshot so even your ref has lazy forms so you want to do some thinking on your own how forms wrap around etc. also don't do the lazy hatching, i'd just use the lasso tool, takes very little time and doesn't have to be perfect

>>7612647
From memory

Would like to step in and drop some advice. If you want to learn how to draw anime style you need to realize that each series/franchise has a different canon for constructing their characters faces. You will typically have 3-4 variants all build from 1 foundation for smaller productions to accommodate male and female characters of various types. from there it's just different hairstyles, eyes, color schemes and minor details. For example, every single character from Naruto is constructed the same way, with the same canon. Which will be different from another popular series like Bleach or Soul eater.

I'm saying this because I want to highlight the fact that mindlessly drawing characters may be fun but you will not retain anything useful from that practice. What you should be doing is creating a template or a model from which you will use as direct reference. It's important that this model is made in 2D and not 3D because anime style, like cartoons, will deform the features in certain ways to aid in expressiveness. If you tried to model a 3D face based on a character, you'd quickly realize that it will be impossible to achieve the range of expressiveness that 2D allows. That being said, making a 3D model is often practiced in various productions as a means to get a general sense of proportions from various angles after which an artist will then draw freehand.

Beginner artists have this mentality that everything must come directly from the mind. That is far from the truth. You should be using, collecting and especially 'creating' specific 2D references, templates and models for your particular needs.

>>7612755
>If you tried to model a 3D face based on a character, you'd quickly realize that it will be impossible to achieve the range of expressiveness that 2D allows.
This applies even for non-faces. My friend used to hate how the mecha designs in Zeta Gundam looked, but that was because he experienced it through a videogame where the animations of the 3D models are extremely limited. The actual show has the movements work a lot better.

Does anyone have a figure ref of a typical bare bones anime girl standing straight and facing the camera, in different angles? It sounds simple and I've seen a couple but I have no idea how to search for it or find it in these anime guide twitters.

>>7613110
2012 animu deviantart bases

where did the FGO sketch guy, I liked him

>>7613953
>FGO sketch guy
Who?

how is this?

>>7613110
I remember someone linking this here a couple months ago, sounds like what you're looking for?
http://mangapose.com/1636_poses.htm

>>7612755
>Beginner artists have this mentality that everything must come directly from the mind.
You're a beginner artist too though.
Your dunning kruger is showing anon.

swimsuits are boring and too easy to draw

>>7613953
>I liked him
>the guy mostly copied ebora
it makes sense that subu would like a guy who copies AI garbage

>>7614389
Why are people attacking subu while the true enemies lurk in the darkness?
This includes me.

>>7614389
He was copying Ebora?
Shit then nvm then, I revoke his trad chad status

>>7614428
because they're too busy not drawing like always

>>7614067
Boobs are a bit high.

here's person everyone hated

>>7614355
why are you having trouble if it's easy my bro? let me guess, proper anime eye shapes are le easy too?

>>7614191
youre too dunning kruger to realize i'm not dunning kruger at all. Sorry to say. But enjoy your dopamine hit.

>>7614683
you
>can't read Japanese
>can't draw passing Japanese artstyles
how is that not Dunning Kruger?

>>7614683
>>7614689
pyw?

>>7614680
yes

>>7612755
I think I saw you in another thread and you do have the anime style down pat but I don't get this collecting references thing. I don't think anime stylization is any different from how you draw anything else and that is to say that you really can just study something and retain it, no need for some autist ref sheet and knowing some specific canon especially as, if you aren't an animator, you'll have your own style on the anime base anyway. So if you want to be an exact copy of a franchise style, sure but otherwise nah

>>7614726
>have the anime style down pat
press X to doubt

>>7614730
well this was his twitter https://x.com/MarvinVernon16

>>7614734
it doesn't look fully anime (yet).
those simplified toony shapes aren't something you would ever see in the actual styles he's going for. you're underselling the thing we're all striving for as westerners trying to draw 100% real anime by saying he's already reached the goal.

>>7614734
Just a mini critique of your Twitter if you are posting it here. It's good but nothing about it is thought provoking. It's very boring anime stuff.

>>7614389
>3 out of 34 in the last thread
>mostly

>>7614764
lol is that what this general is for? even japs don't draw some "true" anime except when they have to on anime productions because of time constraints

>>7614764
yeah that's what i was saying that dude has his canons and what not but no style of his own so what is the point

Tips/redline please? I worked on it so long and it still looks shit.

>>7614734
>ai and traced fotm
lol
lmao

>>7616377
mommy

I think these Tanyas I genned came out decently, but I think I could still do with a LoRa. Does anyone know of any loli LoRas? Specifically for Illustrious?

>>7618016
Go to g or h, they have ai generation threads. There is no skill overlap here to help you out.

>>7618019
blog??

>>7618096
Wrong board. This tab is right next to /b/'s /DEGEN/ thread.

>>7618098
I think its legit, it looks really cool and anime like

>>7618141
retard
>>7618096
it's ai shit, stupid subhuman

>>7618143
whats your proof

>>7618144
Look closer stupid retard. It's the sloppiest slop.

>>7618146
its a beautiful drawing I hope they post more

>>7618150
Here :)
>>>/g/diffusion
>>>/h/diffusion
>>>/b/diffusion

>>7618152
but this is ai I want a real drawing like >>7618019

>>7618160
cope all you want but you've gotta accept you're one of those subhumans that enjoy ai slop eventually

>>7615204
Sure anon but you need to rotate the drawing 90 degrees first

>>7612296
Do say in your post that you are looking for some feedback or criticism.
It might help you get some replies

>>7619768
noted, I was thinking more about just sharing it at the time of posting. I would appreciate some feed back though for sure.

>>7619131
Other way, kek

hair is hard

>>7620069
Hair is easy. Think in clumps. Think of it like sheets of paper or chunks of clay or as fabric, not as strands.

>>7620069
think shapes, longer lines

My shading is so ass. Anyone got a good tutorial, preferably by a japanese?

>>7620133
Pyw

proud of whoever's playing connect-the-dots.

>>7620076
>Hair is easy.
let's see your drawings of hair.

>>7620385
how are you niggas having problems to draw some simple as fuck anime hair, unless you want that overpolished, strand by strand realisitc westoid style you should be able to do it in a few steps, like nigga just fucking draw lmfao

>>7620447
oh the irony
oh the dunning kruger

How do you draw someone headpatting someone? I can't figure it out for the life of me, like the fourth time I've tried to do it and I still can't figure it out.

>>7620385
I agree with him for the most part. Shorter hair might be a bit of a pin but long hair is easy and pretty fun to draw.

>>7620518
>JP illustrator: hair details are one of the hardest part of drawing
>IC cartoonist: hair is easy bro, anime is easy bro, *posts western toon*

>>7620518
>long hair is easy
let's see your long hair drawings.

>>7620081
>>7620076
>tfw when you have no technical knowledge or skill but must respond

>>7620457
>nodraw having an oponion

>>7620899
>noanime having an opinion on anime

Haha holy shit yall went nuts while I was gone
Give me a minute and I'll draw some hair for you retards.

any anons here tried out anything from animesijyuku's booth shop?

i can't read the runes, but based on his youtube channel his whole thing seems to align with /asg/'s 'just copy' method.

>>7618019
Isn’t this just AI with a crappy westoid head drawn on?

>>7620549
>tfw when you nothing to add but responds anyways

>>7612296
I think the drawing is really nice and the coloring is beautiful
My redlines are for it to look more anime and less western

>>7620447
ok top left is easy enough but how to do the bottom twos??

>>7620447
>>7620076
>>7622346
anything is 'easy' if your standards are dirt low.

>>7615204
hide channel (full figure)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Ej9EIlfoc
hide channel (head)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2LioTVVf-0

>>7622320
Thanks! I'll keep note to refine the eye and face shape along side the proportions. I'll most likely commit to a more rounded eye shape as I think its cute and I like drawing cute shit mostly. saving that image for future reference.
as a side note I don't really get /ic/'s pathological disdain for noses when there are thousands of examples from mangas and animes where they depict it to refer to. I don't subscribe to that belief nor do I think western influence is inherently a bad thing, as a matter of fact there are several animes I can think of right off the top of my head that have distinct western influences like
Kureyon Shin-chan, doraemon, and possibly my all time favorite anime The laughing salesman. the Japanese themselves do not afraid of western influence themselves and happily and readily use western resources and techniques in their art constantly. I can completely understand where people would think I'm coping and that's fine I'm more or less just throwing in my 2 cents on the topic out there. I have a different perspective because I hail from /mlp/ and the culture surrounding art there is completely and totally different from /ic/'s culture, and I'm personally of the opinion that expanding ones horizons and taking notes and influences from different cultures and styles is not an inherently bad thing.

>>7622584
Thanks a lot!

>>7620934
hair is so easy it's takin' lil' bro days

I have no idea how to paint. I'm Sai btw.

>>7625453
she cute, I like how soft and dreamy the pic is. based fellow sai user.

>>7622320
Dan Dan is that you?

More goth osaka

might as well post this here, just a little oc I made for shits and giggles. also have a character to draw if I'm not sure about who I want to draw. my main concern was practicing facial proportions and finding an eye shape and iris/pupil combo I like. did some fucking around with the neckerchief "rendering" for shits and giggles. Suggestions particularly references would be appreciated. I prefer visual references because I learn the best with having something I can dissect visually, then proceed to try to replicate on my own terms with problem solving like a puzzle game because I find that most rewarding way to learn. most important thing is that I had fun fucking around with this.

Oda draws his torso and hips so fat / wide. Does anyone else find it weird? I guess I'm used to the hourglass slim athletic build like HNK and Baki.

why the hell is that settei site not at the top of the sticky?

>>7611054 (OP)
Tips for shading?

>>7629951
"life is study" we love golden boy

>>7630605
ink it

Are there any more books with clothing reference like the "Everyone can draw" book?

>>7629557
Young oda vs old oda. See his older stuff. They don’t look like this. His art is just shit now.

>>7622584
so, for the full figure bit, am I right in thinking that the action line is basically spine + pelvic bone, roughly placed?

>>7631955
Think of it like an anchor. Or if you're applying it to figures that are off the ground then, whatever end of the action has the most weight, like a heavy ball at the end of a chain. (Same anon i'm just using a different brush right now.)

>>7632274
Ah, so less of a direct line how the body goes structurally, and more of just a feel of how it is flowing, and then place the actual lines according to the head itself
Aight, thanks for the answer

any tutorials specifically for tackling hair

>>7632277
For more natural standing poses be wary of the character's center of gravity as well. I find that we (me too) try to chase exaggerated poses that we forget the ground a lot even when drawing characters in the white void. It's all about balance unless the point is to make it really dynamic then you can break these rules.
I can probably fix the one i'm working on more now that i'm looking at it. (Still learning.)
>>7632279
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb21trk4Ja8
https://youtu.be/Phw4bH4Yj5w?t=197
If you need a physical example, think of nendoroid/anime figure hair parts and how they divide the bangs, sides and the back. Always start with the hair root point on the head, spread out from there. Plot it out with big shapes first underneath then you can break it down further. If you go to the artbook general they should have some anime books about hair.

I still don't understand why I should copy anime but here goes nothing.

>>7632739
Because its the popular thing now. Like why did people listen to rock and roll.

>>7631919
What is she wearing? I need to know more? Is she wearing a bra? What is this?

>>7632752
I think I get it now!

new drawing. low effort.

I love drawing her even everyone hates her

test

You guys know any JP artists that have a style similar to Akagishi K? Messy inks and flat-ish shading? Doesn't have to be some bigshot, twitter artist is fine. Nightow comes to mind as well as Nihei.

>>7625453
cute fish!

>>7633483
Not the right place to ask I guess. I would like to draw like this but i've been built to draw too cleanly. Anyway, the grind never ends.

little mix of redraw, study, and experimentation.

>>7636938
CUTE

I love this lil'Angel like you wouldn't believe

>>7634279
That is a very good drawing anon. Keep up the good work

>>7636938
You do anon!
>>7638334
And you!
>>7638325
Love the color work on this one! And nice attention to detail

as long as my artstyle becomes like Harada's I'll be satisfied, my art doesn't have to reach advanced stages

Is my style too westoid? I'm not using any references but this is an OC character for a "manga" I plan on doing.

>>7641977
Eh you can make it work? Look at mangaka like Urasawa or Fujimoto for reference. Unless your goal is something cutesy then you really should have an artist in mind that can be a general goal towards. Work on your figures a lot more. But I appreciate the tenacity to draw near full bodies and poses.

>>7642005
posted the cropped one accidentally they're full bodies albeit the toes aren't the best. My wacom pressure is wacky so a lot of the lines are super uneven.

I think Miuras work is what I think of when trying to get a semi realistic face on an anime body, I do love his characters so might try and study his stuff. Thanks for the mangaka recommendations!

>>7641977
>>7642026
a little westoid desu
I redrew it a bit in my style
she's cute

>>7642416
wtf shes so cute now, whats the total pixel size of yours? I always feel like I run out of pixels whenever I draw and that specific doodle is 680x1820

also thanks for calling my first OC cute

>>7642504
3264*1826
So I have a lot of room for drawing.
Your welcome anon, I'd love to know more about your manga too.

>>7638957
thank you anon

>>7642574
My manga's original medium is a short story, well more like a light novel now with how long it's gotten but I was told it would be way better in manga form, if you got a discord I'd be more than happy to share a couple things with you and if not here's a very light synopsis :

a two faced adventurer named Maika (above character)'s mentor disappeared deep underground in the underworld and she sets out to try and find her recruiting a companion along the way. Her mentor is the strongest Blademaster in the world, constantly finding new discoveries. However, her last battle with a ferocious first formed demon led to hear abrupt disappearance.

>>7642601
Sure thing
my discord handleis klaruga
I'd love to know more.

>>7642005
>Eh you can make it work?
Based crab.

>>7611054 (OP)
How does this guy draw such delicate lines and features can't replicate it very well

>>7642795
Post your attempts

>>7642811
Ok

>>7642821
for you it's not a line issue right now but a shape/proportion/ issue. check out high res images of his faces and try to copy them exactly

https://e-hentai.org/g/2633183/a0a93f6c14/
https://e-hentai.org/g/1525507/057634beea/

>>7642830
Thnks bruh will do

>>7643006
sugoi

I've been copying an anime artist every day for at least an hour for 3 months now, complemented with trying to draw characters in the same style from imagination, and I feel like I haven't made any progress since, I still can't summon the right proportions, shapes, features to mind when I look at a blank canvas, and when I make an ugly sketch I don't know where to start fixing it to make it look more accurate to the style

Should I try another approach or just keep at it? Someone suggested memorizing the drawings and trying to redraw them from memory a day later, but that feels counterproductive to me, the artist can draw a variety of characters or invent completely news ones, and have them look accurate regardless of perspective, facial expression etc and memorization feels like the wrong way to get to the goal of also being to invent

Keep in mind I have years of drawing experience already, I'm not a /beg/, I'm just trying to learn an anime-like style, so the lack of progress feels more concerning to me given that I feel like I should have some mastery already, learning everything so far felt a lot more straightforward and obvious

>>7644672
If I were to apply my knowledge to today's sketch by liquifying it, it'd look like this, which I guess is better but not something I can observe while drawing which I don't like, ideally I'd want to be able to freehand it and see it in my mind before drawing

>>7644672
>an hour for 3 months
>I feel like I should have some mastery already
That's only ~90+ hours. It's not enough to see significant progress in something as hard as legitimate anime so I wouldn't be discouraged about the method. Post the artist and full detail copies you did.

>have them look accurate regardless of perspective, facial expression etc
Because they memorized every key angle and expression already. They have made the basic/most common things into muscle memory.

>>7644694
>That's only ~90+ hours. It's not enough to see significant progress in something as hard as legitimate anime
I guess but I wasn't expecting to see strides, literally any progress or the feeling it got a bit easier would've been fine, but it still feels exactly like day 1

>Because they memorized every key angle and expression already
I don't think that's possible, almost every single one of the artist's drawings has something new going on, whether it's a completely different character, a new pose, a new expression, a new hairstyle, a new anime-style mouth or eye, an interesting shape or pattern, an original way of drawing a common feature etc, yet they all feel like the same consistent style

>>7644706
If you're not doing full blown copies (e.g. a full color illustration in an unfamiliar style can easily take 10-20+ hours) & full original pieces in the style you won't see much progress. The higher your raise your standard (ideally to match the artist you're copying) the more progress you'll see.

That doesn't mean the basics / universal things aren't muscle memory that they've drawn hundreds of times in the same style.

>>7644672
Japanese artists say you should use ref whenever possible instead of drawing from memory

>>7611054 (OP)
Genuinely how the fuck o you learn good composition??? I still don't know how people go about it

browsing modern day internet

Office lady. Gave her no name but can be interpreted as whatever you feel like.

>>7620549
Holy retard

>>7648175
Post your hair.

>>7647259
for the top right drawing how do you do the lines for the chin and side of the face, do you do it as solid lines in one go or as smaller sketchier lines until you get the approximate shape and angle?

>>7648677
When I do a light undersketch I hold my pencil all the way at the back and very loosely. I don't follow the reference 1:1 as I think that makes the outcome too stiff so I try to be as loose and gestural with my lines as I can. I'll roughly sketch out the forms that I see and make adjustments to the shape/angle as I go while keeping the lines very light. In the case of the top right one, I erased the undersketch lightly and tried to make dark but still loose lines while following the undersketch as a guide (I don't trace the undersketch since it makes the outcome stiffer). I grip my pencil firmer for this too. If you can get it in one smooth line that's the ideal imho, but I feel that I wasn't confident enough to do that so my lines for the chin are kind of weak and scratchy.

>>7644733
Yes nippon masteru alrays correct. Keep practicing westoid-san and you'll be like masteru one day. 落書き

some more Try studies, from reference on top and memory (after a day) on the bottom

>>7649181
How does that bottom right one from memory look so much better than the copy?

>>7649372
Doing stuff from memory helps me focus on the drawing holistically I guess, more likely my copy was just shit in the first place, it was a surprisingly tricky angle

how do i do lineart this clean?

>>7650427
draw at a stupid high resolution and practice a lot

>>7612296
peak

>>7620549
Too many larpers lately.

>>7611054 (OP)
screencap from terror in resonance

What's a good site for getting poses? Did we get anything new within the last... 5 years?

One tricky thing about studying the anime head is the hair makes it difficult to assess where the skull lies. The 3/4 angle especially trips me up. How would you break this down, /asg/?

>>7657191
>hair makes it difficult
>skull
constructoids have poisoned your mind anon. there is no skull on 2d illustrated anime girls. try to study the real thing before your eyes instead of a simplified 3d cope. do a similar 2d traceover on the hair as well, hair is an integral part of a character.

>>7657232
I'm not talking about finding the zygomatic arch and the masseter anon I'm just talking about a simple ball-and-shield-shape breakdown

>>7657232
there is a skull, it's just you don't have to literally draw a skull as you observe it IRL

>>7657235
> ball-and-shield-shape
hide channel is going to be the best for that but it's more animator focused (usually more literal perspective compared to fire emblem and other illustrator styles). still do the 2D trace over the hair though because the ball stuff can be misleading in breaking down existing 2D illustrations, it's more useful as a guide when creating and there is no one way to do it (contrary to what /ic/ constructoids who redline pro animators' art will have you believe)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2viNZwt4JQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3kfG7_8Mbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2LioTVVf-0&list=PLTY4AtphBe8Oq5Oaa7inP2_cvtmoEBG7Z

>>7657254
Sure, I'm curious though, can you show me how you'd do a hide-style breakdown to my pic? I just want to see how other people solve the problem, so I can learn from lots of different sources.

>>7657255
feels wrong to do a 3d cope simplification of 2d art, it feels like I'm attacking the artist's hard work.

>solve the problem
there is no solution because any skull on that illustration is a made up abstraction, you can't check if it's correct. you can only check if a 2d copy was done correctly.

>>7657260
Can you post any of your work then please

>>7657261
i don't feel safe. but you shouldn't need my work when you have fire emblem's art, just study it.

>>7612296
I know nothing about art but I know I will be jacking off to this later.

>>7657277
I'm not going to crab you, I just want to see your work before I take your advice

I wanna learn how to draw Neuro-sama. First time drawing anime style. The red ones were traced.

How to implement fundies and proper construction when making the anime head?
I feel like it is too stylized to make proper sense unlike real heads.

Anyone have a course or something? Anything I find from guys like tealbro is "lol just feel it bruh" and "memorize 200 angles"
pic is from some very talented guy from this board.

>>7658790
Consider that "fundies and "proper" construction" are a psyop.
>too stylized to make proper sense
And yet it looks good. Really makes you think... Maybe it also makes proper sense but you just can't see it.

doto

>>7611054 (OP)
as posted to the manga making general, I'll most likely be going to Japan later this year.
Any books I should pick up or be looking for?
(beginner here-not that it fully matters)

>>7657191
My advice is that you search online for rough key animation drawings (i.e., genga 原画) and production sketches in general, the rougher and sketchier the better. The Mandarake website is a good place to start.

The reason why (in this particular case) I recommend genga instead of settei is that the latter, while very helpful, nonetheless are usually quite cleaned up already, so it can be hard to decipher the underlying construction process of the character designs just by looking at them.

Judging by what I have seen so far, many (if not most) anime artists, especially those working in moeblob-type shows, tend to approach head construction in a rather intuitive and streamlined way: barring things such as tufts, locks, ponytails, and accessories, the cranium shape often encompasses most of the hair silhouette. So, for all intents and purposes, these artists seem to treat the cranium and the hair as a combo, instead of as fully separate entities.

That said, on occasion you can find sketches that display more modular types of head construction (some of them even resembling the Loomis method), although, with some exceptions, they appear to become more frequent the more you depart from the moeblob aesthetic.

https://img.mandarake.co.jp/aucimg/2/2/9/6/0000712296.jpeg

>>7612296
I recognize this style...

Anyways the horse girls got me good so I sketched some stuff. I don't usually draw anime but it's a fun toss up from my usual shit. But damn if those faces and eyes aren't hard to get right with only lines.

>>7663314
>>I recognize this style...
For real? who am I then? just reply with the first three letters of my artist tags and I will be happy. my caveat being I would like your first three letters of your name in response. will ask for more if I need it.

>>7664940
>sca
As for mine it’s lil, maybe the horse theme will tip ya off lmao.

>>7663260
Thank you, this is exactly what I need
also...
I'm doing it! I'm de-westoidifying!!! Pic is original except for the hair which is referenced because I haven't gotten to hair yet

>>7665011
based as fuck my mind went right to you but I wasn't quite sure, nice to see you around brother.

>find a korean twitch stream with an apealing style
>no social media links in bio
>look up twitch handle
>it just means random word like eagle and doesn't bring up any twitters
why do they do this

>>7666534
>korean with an appealing style
press x to doubt, you would just think they're Japanese

>>7666567
the handle had korean characters

>>7666569
then the possibility it's an appealing style drops to below 1%

Finally seeing some improvements in drawing from imagination

Copied a panel from one of my favorite manga to get a feel of the process

>>7667214
what's your practice methods been like?

>>7667517
Basically exclusively copying anime heads from mangaka I like, ~15 a day every day

>>7667525
You doing memory copies too?

Thoughts on Howard Blast and the Ota Clinic videos? Im THAT kind of nigga that wasnt born in NA/Europe and only consoomed anime/manga since young so my only childhood exposure to art was Japanese (which is why i struggled so much in default art classes, i just wanted to draw the Goku hair bro)
Anyway, I saw a couple of vids and he sounds like he's that kind of autistic weeb too and the whole thing is cheap ...any comments from anons here?
Srry if this has been asked before, Ive never lurked this place before

>>7667860
fuck.

>>7667640
I did them a couple of times but definitely nowhere near regularly to make an impact

>>7667877
How often would you do drawings from imagination? Like, are you 80% copies 20% imagination work, or what? Impressive gains

>>7667214
what stops you from buying a 10euro tablet

>>7667908
Probably even less though I planned to do 50/50, I just hated looking at my abominations made while clueless, I'll probably try to get to 50/50 now that I can make somewhat nice looking stuff

>>7667914
What do you mean

It has been ages since I copied anything, how are these? Couldn't be arsed to complete them, sorry.
Last time I got feedback my lines were wobbly, is that still the case? I tried cutting down my coffee intake, getting a bigger paper, and having more "confidence" to solve that.
Refs:
https://files.catbox.moe/e6k7gk.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/idgon7.jpeg

>>7611054 (OP)
Is this the most ngmi general on /ic/?

>>7669772
/asg/ and watercooler.

>>7669769
They are copies so ultimately how good they are doesn't matter. Are you trying to be a photocopier? At least show construction or something where some type of skill can be assessed. Oh wait this general doesn't believe in construction. Uh trace more I guess? lol

>>7669777
I'm not actually asking for how "good" they are, of course it doesn't matter. I'm trying contour drawing after reading Drawing on the Right Side of The Brain, I just want to know if there any noticeable improvements to make. The OP says to post no matter what, so I did.
Also I'm not tracing, this is from reference

>>7669772
the most dead for sure

>>7669777
The anti construction stuff is just permabeg cope. Dead thread, so not many competent artists here to give decent advice

Anime fans, critique please?

>>7670452
the anti-construction meme is a natural response to fraudsters like proko and irshad pushing the meme that le fundies will unlock your ability to draw le anything

>>7669777
>They are copies so ultimately how good they are doesn't matter.
Based dunning kruger that never did an accurate copy.

WHY DOES THIS LOOK SO MESSY
THIS ALWAYS HAPPENS TO ME

>>7671354
I'm no paintmaxxer but your values and shadow/ light separation is all over the place. Try to work up the illustration with a solid shadow and light shape and add on top of it with the colour variation that you had. But make sure you dont lose the light and shadow areas

>>7671452
okay, so think of light and dark in shapes instead of all over the place, makes sense, thanks

>>7671523
Pro tip, think of shape design, don't just add random stuff. Every shape is a design, Japanese people love design.

took a crack at Oguri cap for shit's and giggles

>>7663314
Attempted another Uma
>>7672227
Oh hell yeah! Umazing Oguri. The horse girls are so great.

>>7658710
more
anyone know a good filter to extract lineart from a color illustration?

Quick Frieren study, very sketchy but wanted to test observational skills. Think I’m getting somewhere!.

>>7673010
Why study an AI-generated pic of Frieren and not just a screenshot from the anime?

>>7673022
Uhhhh because I’m dumb and thought it was a anime screenshot whuu ohhh well I’ll just go straight for actual sourced screenshots next time oh fuck lol

>>7673028
Is this a zoomer thing where they watch anime dubbed in the background at 2x speed?

Copy these instead of screenshots, there's 7 volumes with nice high res keyframes.
https://e-hentai.org/g/2819175/c8a6d5ff3d

>>7673028
Can never be too careful these days anon, always check your reffs.
>>7673039
That's actually much better than studying the anime, more refined art in the keyframes usually.

>>7665200
moar dewestoidifying

>>7665200
moar dewestoidifying

>>7673512
i'm trying

It's osaka

>>7673557
is one of her legs missing?

>>7673568
sorry

Who draws the best anime hands? I need someone I can do studies of.

>>7673740
Sailor Moon

Are there updated links somewhere for the books in the paste? Pretty much all of them lead to dead links. I remember downloading the Japanese book pack years ago but lost it.

>>7672575
cleaned up a sketch in this one

>>7674564
Flip your canvas early and often
Early
And often

tried memory drawing again. not sure if a krenz style method is that good for this or I should use some more construction based method to break these down.

>>7611054 (OP)
mega links dont work in the pastebin?

does anyone here know where to find sketches?
Settei doesn't have any anime sketches to study from

>>7675844
a guy that says one thing in bio does the opposite of thing?
no way


are zoomers really this gullible and blind?

>>7675831
art books, twitter and genga >>7663260

>>7675851
critical thinking is being eroded by (((social medida)))

>>7675851
>western faux anime illustrator
>AI
unironically to me there is no difference, AI might even win out in some ways.

Thoughts?

>>7674606
Do the latter. Use what you learned in the krenz method to check your accuracy as you construct from reference, then construct again from memory. Try it on the same pic and post it, I want to see the difference.

After years of research I have come to the conclusion that the ideal shoulder width is 1.5 heads and the ideal hip width is 1.75 heads

What are the most important lessons we can learn from Orange Maru

>>7676664
orange maru is a circle with different artists, retard

>>7676675
Reddit is that way

you should all draw cats, it will improve your anime style skills >>7670129

>>7675951
pretty based, do you have SNS?

>>7677201
Nope. Or at least not any where I post my art yet. I had trouble with the hair. Shading is my big bane. Anyone got some tips?

is /asg/ discord still active?

Tried fixing the last one. Red was traced over to see what was off.

>>7674575
Thanks, yeah you're right. I did flip a couple of times but I need to get in the habit of flipping more. Did it more often for this second one. Seemed to help but this angle is hard.

>>7677393
It looks much more accurate but desu vtuber models can look kind of jank depending on the angle.

>>7611054 (OP)
Reading the "effective art study guide", and I'm confused about this part:
>Don't give into the urge to binge trace/copy; Memory drawing should always be the bulk of your studying.

Does this mean I'm supposed to trace/copy a reference, then go sit on my ass for a few days before returning to memory draw? Or can I trace/copy several references while waiting for enough time to pass to memory draw? The first seems a bit slow.

hm
it's not looking as awful as I thought it would

>>7677797
yeah, I'm having fun

>>7675951
sheesh

>>7677393
pretty good, good job

>>7677439
>vtuber models can look kind of jank depending on the angle

this
>copying simplified 3D instead of real 2D art
literally why

>>7677244
>Anyone got some tips?
for me the only thing that really helped is having a clear artstyle goal, besides universal things like tone hierarchy/good contrast and having well designed shapes that follow the composition (basically anime cell shading principles) it's gonna be heavily artstyle dependent

also general helpful videos
subbed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUR-f5deZtY
only in nip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKSHQvtzSus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuBgJAjWynk

>>7678905
this is some good fucking shit brother the texture is incredible really makes this pop.

I know this'll sound retarded but I think switching to digital art for a few months made doing reference drawings harder for me on both my tablet and paper. Tried doing a murcielago panel recently and it looked way shittier than any other time I've drawn from reference.

>>7641977
>A "manga" I plan on doing
Can you explain? I also want to do something like this, but it seems a bit more daunting as a non-Japanese person. Where are you gonna upload?

>>7667914
>10euro tablet
Link

>>7673512
some studies, some original stuff, practicing taking a head from reference and rotating it in imagination

>>7680491
Beautiful heads

>>7644733
What do the moonrunes say?

>>7680491
you may be saved yet

>>7657232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgRmnGhLTU8
You're actually fucking retarded.

>>7680592
>he drew le skull! that means anime heads are LITERALLY JUST LIKE MY ANATOMY SOIENCE SKULLS OKAY!
westoids might truly be unsalvageable at this point. they'll do anything to hold on to their delusions.

>>7680631
you wirr never be japanese

>>7680638
based Japan. you will never draw anime.

>>7680638
>>7680640
>>7680631
Uh oh tranny melty

>>7680631
>japanese anime drawing man draws a skull
>he did this for no reason because anime people do not have skulls

>>7680645
you will never draw anime. the ability of the westoid to distort everything to fit his delusions is truly astonishing.

>>7680652
pyw

>>7680660
t.

>>7680670
bottom one and left one are cool whats your problem

>>7680670
doesnt look very anime to me

>>7680670
Cool graphic, maybe one day i'll be able to make a graphics like that

>>7680670
thread theme

is using boxes for heads a western meme

>>7680812
Not really actually, but boxes are most useful for dealing with tricky perspective, not so much as a general construction tool, i.e. if you're not struggling with perspective you probably don't need to start with a box

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