>You shouldn't aim to make drawing a career. Just do it on the side, bro
Fuck that shit, I bust my dick for 80 hours a week at a warehouse and I will be goddamned if I'm staying there another year
Currently getting comms, not enough to live off of yet but I will be grinding away

>>7613264 (OP)
>80 hours a week

For what purpose? Do you have a wife and a kid?

>>7613264 (OP)
You will never be Japenease

>>7613265
My rent is getting obscene and I live in what used to be a low CoL area
Gonna start renting a room for about 700 a month. Fucking 1 bedroom apartment is running for $1200 here

>>7613268
>>7613265
If I can at least make 1-2k a month from art, I can keep a part time job

>>7613269
1-2k is kind of a lot unless you're fairly popular, I don't want to crush your dreams, but it's pretty up there.

>>7613264 (OP)
op, that statement is true....if you're a fully sfw artist. Those people never really make any money outside of industry/corporate jobs. Most of the successful indie guys have drawn porn in the past or currently.

>Fucking 1 bedroom apartment is running for $1200 here

Huh....my area used to have 2200 starting but I just checked out of curiosity and they tanked the rents tremendously back to 1200, too. Still too high. Used to be around $800/month.

>>7613274
I have no qualms drawing porn

>>7613276
>>7613268
>OOOOOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEE

>>7613274
This is pretty true desu. I get a lot of comms for a fully SFW artist, and I only average around $1k/mo. Even at $1-200/each there just aren't that many people who want art. Corpo jobs, on the other hand, can easily net $10k+ for a month contract, even for simple shit, but you're going to have to draw boring corpo slop.

>>7613279
haha false alarm I had georgia in the search results, it's actually 2400 starting

>>7613264 (OP)
>TFW making 50k a year drawing porn
"On the side" cucks are always coping
Deep down you all wish you were me

>>7613278
You're probably not going to make money with porn either if we're being realistic. There are people who make a lot of money drawing porn, but you have to realize that there are, at best, double-digit numbers of these people. If you're here, you are not one of them, flat out.

>>7613288
>If you're here, you are not one of them, flat out.
NTA but what prevents /ic/fags from becoming one of them?

>>7613264 (OP)
>>You shouldn't aim to make drawing a career. Just do it on the side, bro
It's called "crabbing".

>>7613289
Getting over their /beg/ mentality

>>7613287
Is it wrong that I simply don't believe anyone should be allowed to make money from art? Not just online artists, I don't believe the animation and comics industry should exist either
I'll go further and say that I don't think actors, pro athletes, or musicians should be a thing
EVERYONE should be forced to work dead end jobs

>>7613294

Well AI is here so that fantasy is a few centuries old.

>>7613264 (OP)
>goddamned
Never read it being used like that before lol
Also the people who draw for themselves and don't monitize are self-cucks. It takes 10,000 hours to learn to draw, monitize it my dude.

>>7613294
Based
If we can't be happy
No one can

>>7613287
>"On the side" cucks are always coping
yep, that's about it. Those shitters would try to come up with the most retarded mental gymnastic out of pure rage/envy. These threads have shown these same fags making excuses >>7601172
>>7606869
>>7604298

>>7613294
Asmongold is a Russian asset. I guarantee the FSB caught him fucking kids or something. He and his team have been trying to develop a following in 4chan for years. It’s really sad.

>>7613289
This place is almost entirely either crabs or people so catastrophically dumb they crab on accident. If you're not just here to shitpost, you will not be going far. There isn't much useful information to be gained.

Also, look around. There's maybe 10 or so posters total who don't make /beg/ scribbles, liberally. This is embarrassingly low for an art community where most members are around 30 years old and have been here for half a decade or more.

>>7613312
>There's maybe 10 or so posters
nah, there are more decent/pretty good artist in here. I won't name the general though, because it's mostly ignored by the retarded no draws, but those that know, knows.

>>7613294
I'm assuming you include streamers such as asmongold in that little rant there, yeah?

>>7613312
>This is embarrassingly low for an art community where most members are around 30 years old and have been here for half a decade or more.
Name a better online art community. I'll wait.

>>7613335
Fuck if I'm going to dox the good art communities. I don't want you retards in there.

>>7613335
twitter

>>7613343
unironically

>>7613335
Youtube is actually very good. You just need to set up a program to remove the scammer and spam comments.
Twitter is still great.

>>7613264 (OP)
I don't get why this board hates the idea of making money with your drawings. Tons of people make money with the skills they put hundreds or thousands of hours into, yet this /ic/ acts like drawing is something special that should not be allowed to be used for money.

>>7613354
It's not that you can't make money with drawing.

It's that /ic/ won't.

>>7613354
it's mostly crabbing and envy, very rare that some of those retards have that same mindset as those fags that would say shit "you don't need money, i'll give you exposure" or "being an artist means you shouldn't make money from your art, but for the love of it".

>>7613356
for whatever reason, /ic/ has a huge dunning kruger population. These fags would seethe that their super special idea is not making them money or popular because consumers have shit taste and seethe at the thought that their ideas might be absolute shit.

>>7613354
>I don't get why this board hates the idea of making money with your drawings.
You see what you want to see.

>>7613354
Because if I have to be miserable, you faggots have to be too
I wage all fucking day to come home to my bitch wife and screaming kids.
Havent felt happiness in decades
Am treated like shit at work and home
My dream to become an animator, SHATTERED
I want you all to suffer the same fate as I did

>>7613367
What's stopping you from leaving your family kek

>>7613369
integrity
Divorce is a sin
If you had any self respect, you'd know that

>>7613367
Don't be a deadbeat dad.
Aspire to be an absent father.

>>7613370
>self-respect
Didn't know being treated like shit at home is considered self-respect, I bet your children call you by your first name

>>7613375
>I bet your children call you by your first name
They did for awhile but have been calling me dad for a bit. For a brief period they'd call me "step dad"
They haven't seen their original father in a while

>>7613264 (OP)
why am I busting my ass learning anatomy

>>7613430
It's something all men before you have done, all men will do. Think about it.

>>7613273
What should you expect then? Just beer money, a little more than that?

>>7613437
Kinda yeah. Hundred or so a month, if that. The curve of how much money you make is more or less exponential to a point. Until you're popular and making decent money, you're going to make basically nothing and there's not much of an inbetween.

>>7613354
[spoiler] It's because most artist copy and trace over each other's art [/spoiler]

>>7613269
That's doable with like 5-8k twitter followers. About 300bux a week and you will keep growing from there. Been coaching my buddy (who draws better than me) on habits and marketing and all that jazz and he's up to that area now despite loads of hiccups, medical shit and general life problems.

>>7613266
Do you think all the art jobs in the world are located in Japan?
There's something broken with weeb brains, I swear.

>>7613367
you wanting something doesn't mean it's going to magically happen. just like how you'd probably wish to be dead but you're too much of a wussbag to go through with the ol revolver in mouth. plus there are many more so called "jobs" that take far less effort and are less deserving of money, and you probably don't give a shit about that anyway.

>>7613367
You chose that life every day. You're the one who got yourself into it in the first place. On top of that you got a family out of it.
You can chose to stay there or you can chose to work it out or leave. That is your burden to bear.
I'll never understand people like you. Feeling like you're entitled to sabotage the lives of others just because your own life is in shambles.
I'm not doing good either but instead of trying to bring others down I try and build myself up. I have plenty of reasons to act as a negative force in the world but if I did I would betray my self in the process and adopt the maladaptive, narrow minded perspective of my past abusers. It's like you've been conquered and twisted by people not even worth your pity. People living in a hole in the ground.
Instead of picking yourself up and chosing to focus on the good you let the evil consume you. Until it is all that you can see.

As an agnostic (since I've experienced a lot of strange phenonemons) I'm open to the idéa that every action has a reaction. Even if it's something as seemingly inconsequential as spreading doom on a forum.

While I do empathise with your circumstances I don't condone the way you're letting it shape your internal perception of reality and in turn the way you unleash it into the world.
When stuck with people like that I made it a rule to focus on the fact that there is both good and evil in this world. Instead of projecting my personal experience onto the world I somehow got out of it with the understanding that what I went through is my story. Knowing that I'm not entitled to taking away from people. Knowing that there is both good and evil in this world if you're open enough to look for it.

If you can still see where I'm coming from then I would highly advice you to protect yourself from people who drive you mad, focus on healing in whatever form is available to you and move forward with your life.

>>7613354
>I don't get why this board hates the idea of making money with your drawings.
Money corrupts. Imagine corroding your creative passion with financial panic, being forced to chase after the rotten mainstream audience, all for them sweet Patreon bux and funny social media numbers.
Now your emotional spark is lost and your artistic outlet occupied, being damned for eternity to draw sexually suggestive Frieren in a blank void every 24 hours to avoid falling off and losing your income.
You'll become a slave to the most shallow the human experience has to offer.

>>7613264 (OP)
pyw, how much you practice a day and for how long and I will cast my judgment for how many years ye shall be condemned to toil in the warehouses.

>>7614025
Obviously it shouldn't dictate what you draw and you should not start drwaing just to earn money. But if you are already at the point where you are good enough, then why not earn money on the side or as your main job.

>>7614025
>>7614031
It's a false dichotomy. You can make things you are passionate about AND be paid to do so.

A lot of people are just dumb nihilists who think that the world is not just "not inherently fair", but "inhernetly UNfair" and so their viewpoint is split between things that are good-but-self-destructive and things that are bad-but-lead-to-success.

>inb4 someone bitches about this being too deep
Half of art has to do with philosophy, fuck off.

>>7613377
bitch boy

>>7613362
and right they are

>>7614026
I'd say I'll be stuck doing call center work till my mid 40s if I don't die in nuclear hellfire but AI will come for my job eventually so who knows what the future will hold. I should just enjoy the present now and soak in the journey.

>>7613264 (OP)
I almost feel bad for first worlders, they have to make far more than $2000 to live off from art, while I only have to make $200 lmao.

>>7613264 (OP)
>Just do it on the side
Typical "advice" given by people that want you to quit without telling you directly