What are some things that artists with a higher skill (than you) said so you wouldn't improve?

>"Prokos anatomy course is bad"
I found it the easiest source to learn anatomy (no I'm not a shill, I pirated that shit)

>"It doesn't matter what brushes you use/You don't need my brush"
I thought this was true so only used 2 brushes for years. I gave up and used more interesting brushes and my art became more fun to create and looked better.

Fuck artists who lie. I've even had professional artists in the industry tell me these things. Now that they have done this to me I always give beginners good advice and lead them to the right resources. Artists who do this kind of shit are insecure and should be dissected and skinned in front of a live audience of art students so at least they can finally be useful.

pyw

Dogposter, the truth is actually much simpler. Artists only tell you what they believe from their personal experience. The artists telling you their brush is unimportant aren't lying to you; they genuinely feel that way after hundreds, thousands of practice.
This is what no one wants to accept. Art is incredibly open ended and you have to forge your own path. Everyone wants an infallible guidebook but no such thing exists. I would not use Proko's "course" and would recommend against "courses" as such, because that worked for me. But maybe it's different for you. Knock the chip off your shoulder now.

>>7619185
No fuck you. No OP but if I, for example, buy a course and the "teacher" is using a brush in their course and says "oh it's just the default brush" when it clearly is not they are flat out lying. And if they lie about something as simple as a brush how can I trust what they're telling me? Gestures? Do you use that in your works or are you just telling me this pointless exercise because another person parroted it? How do you use gesture warmup in your finished work where is the pipeline that leads from the process of conception to thumbnailing? Not shown.

Sick of liars and scammers in this community. They don't want you to grow. They want you to suck their dick. I didn't buy a course to suck your dick I handed you my money to get a leg up. I didn't join your discord to finger your prostate I joined for feedback.
>forge your own path
correct

>>7619178 (OP)
Have you considered that maybe you're annoying.
Nobody wants the homework of finding what random brush pack they downloaded 8 years ago.

>everyone is out to get me and hold me back
actual schizoposting
>>7619185
this anon is correct. nobody is actively trying to stifle your improvement. someday you'll grow up and realize what works for one person may not work for everyone else.

>>7619192

Not really. You think Proko wants you to get ahead? They want you all dependent on tutorials forever. It's a business. Needlessly long, impossible to get through materials to perpetually keep you in a loop of endless learning. The only thing you realize is it's all a scam until you wake up and
>forge your own path

>>7619192
>actual schizoposting
nah, its just the autistic inability to consider multiple different perspectives but your own. tis 4chan after all

>>7619178 (OP)
The brush thing is super important. First, drawing digital is just significantly different than traditional media in that you can zoom in and out. The thickness of the line you're using and the size you are drawing at relative to the natural arcs of your shoulder / elbow / wrist have huge impacts on your art. Also, a lot of artists don't show how much smoothing they are using, and the truth is... a lot.

So yeah, you can draw 500 circles and connected lines a day and you will draw tighter higher quality line work, but you can also just turn some smoothing on.

Artists trying to educate others should be more clear about how much of a crutch and how bad of a habit it is to constantly zoom in on your digital drawings, especially for the early stages when you're trying to lay down the flow and core shapes of the piece.

Lastly, I don't see enough art "tutorial" dudes focusing on rigor and the right way to grow. Filling sketchbooks of meaningless doodles will not make you better. Setting a goal, and rigorously practicing it every day for long periods of time is how you grow.

>>7619178 (OP)
>I gave up and used more interesting brushes
Well then they were right, you didn't need their brushes. Saying you don't need their brushes =/= you should only use hard round brush for the rest of your life and nothing else

>>7619178 (OP)
>I thought this was true so only used 2 brushes for years. I gave up and used more interesting brushes and my art became more fun to create and looked better
elabor8?

>>7619265
not OP, but i think he just didn't knew how to create the "effect" he wanted with these two brushes so he started to use the brushes which achieved it by the get go.

Being told to only use hard brushes. I tried for a while but it wound up stunting me fairly significantly to do that and when I went back to a sketch brush digital became a lot less intimidating.

>>7619192
>nobody is actively trying to stifle your improvement
Crabbing is a hobby of mine.
I post in /beg/ on occasion and pretend I just started a couple of months ago when I’ve been doing it for 8 years, just to keep them in their containment thread longer.
Also, when someone makes a thread asking how to do something retarded, I duplicate their pic, do it properly, then use an eraser on the top duplicate with some retarded strokes to make it look like I’m doing it in some nonsense manner to confuse them.
And obviously the low effort shit like recommending drawabox, riven phoenix or fwap, telling them to work in lab and paint in channels etc

>>7619274
Is hard round brush just an /ic/ meme? I literally have never seen anywhere else recommend this.

>>7619308
no, /ic/ just beat it into the ground and made it a dogma because 90% of the board is unironically too low IQ to actually learn to draw

>>7619308
I don't know. I'm a traditional person and trying to learn digital when everyone was just telling me to use a hard brush was one of the worst experiences of my life and just a couple of days ago when I started using a sketch brush suddenly it got a lot easier, lol. Whatever it is, it's a really bad mentality.

>>7619185
This post contains the only 2 truths you'll ever need to learn art.

-Everyone learns differently, so what works for one may not work for other.
-Because of this, 99% courses are gonna feel like dogshit to you because they are tailored to how its creator learned, not you.

The best way to learn is not to follow a rigid roadmap. Go and draw, then critique your own drawing, choose one aspect about it you suck at, and then go learn that. It sticks so much more when you actively want to know that specific piece of knowledge, than when some course is telling you this is the next thing you must learn. Finding a mentor who can tailor your learning to your needs is also a good way to hasten improvement.

>>7619185
This. I was going to call OP retarded but this is a much better reply.

>>7619178 (OP)
"Just draw"

>>7619194
>They want you all dependent on tutorials forever.
saying utterly retarded conspiracy-brained shit like this would be grounds to have an individual’s suffrage revoked in an ideal and just society

>>7619378
Looks like someone never watched any fitness youtuber or any pseudo intellectual philosophy youtubers
10/10 made me reply

>>7619378
Alright back up a minute. Let me sit you down with this one. If you google "new masters academy roadmap" it'll give you a roadmap of courses tailored to what you want to do in as an end goal.

Each course can range for 10 to almost 80 to 120 hours in length. For the average working, tax paying man with responsibilities you're looking at yeeeeears of study and there's no guarantee any of the shit you pick up from following a guesstimate roadmap actually works. Oh and by the way, if you want a true, customized roadmap experience they have an even higher tier to pay into.

Are you honestly telling me this isn't what the business wants? To keep hopefuls locked into a system where they keep dumping their money and never make it out the other side? It's not retarded conspiracy shit, I'm saying what nobody else wants to say because it's glaringly obvious. On top of the real fact that most people don't even finish courses that are standalone and not tied down to a subscription model. Hell, a lot of people don't even finish all the weeks in a CGMA class and stop posting their work mid term.

You must work for Proko.com or something. You're not getting a reddit take here, sir.

>>7619194
>You think Proko wants you to get ahead? They want you all dependent on tutorials forever.
Yes because people being good from his lessons is great advertisement for the channel. If you get good from a set of lessons, you're going to immediately cite your tutor when people ask where to start.
If your audience is eternal /beg/ that's such a giant red flag that your ass is going to be irrelevant real fucking fast. People still talk about Proko because he has, sometimes, gotten results. People don't talk about Drawabox or Ctrl Paint or Draw With Jazza anymore because their audience stayed bad.

>>7619774
>If your audience is eternal /beg/ that's such a giant red flag

Stan, this is not a good look. Very, very, VERY few people actually complete courses. When you have very few people completing things you have very few people writing reviews thus very few voices impacting the sales of product thus more $$$ for Penko.

>Oh but people just pirate it, too
You (hopefully) and I both know hoarders just hoard. No stakes because they didn't spend a penny. I'm telling the truth here. It's only a small percentage of learners who dive deep enough and Proko isn't after those people; he and pretty much every marketplace on the internet, is after the dabblers and the New Years investors.

>>7619795
>Stan, this is not a good look. Very, very, VERY few people actually complete courses
I'm not saying buy his shit, I'm saying he gets brought up because people wonder how to draw the planes of a nose, watch his 10 minute video on the planes of a nose, and then now know the planes of a nose. There's no room for him to like teach that wrong.

>>7619795
Look at the duration of the video in that image--1 whole hour. Now put yourself in the shoes of a busy, working man with a wife and a child. He has very limited time and so he sits down and draws along a foot video from NMA or Proko or whatever. He gets in oh I dunno 45 minutes of active focus. But that's just 15 minutes from all the pausing and drawing and catching up. By the time they're done with the entire video It would be 1 whole week. One. Only 455 videos more to go and don't forget the perspective videos (still releasing!). You'll never get anywhere.

Meanwhile some 15 year old off X is already running circles around our pretend family man. But don't worry, the family man feels accomplished because he posted his charcoal foot drawing and the paid discord mod in NMA server gives him a pat on the back for being a stupid fucking retard. Just 4 more years, sir, and you'll be in the industry. Cartoons? NOOOO you need to learn from this 89 hour course before you can delve into that and don't forget to attend the 2 hour long lives with made up assignments because you cant think for yourself.
>>7619807

You get snared in with bite size tips and tricks. No room to mess up because the spotlight is on you and everyone is watching a (free) video and so the voices from pros and begs are loud. He's after the
>hopefuls
>dabblers
And people who don't know what they want with art

>>7619178 (OP)
In traditional art - the "Use cheap stationary, expensive/specialty equipment does nothing to help you" advice.
It helped me a little at first - my earliest effective practice was with biros, because it felt lower-pressure, for me. It was a comfy way to knock out lots of gesture sketches, without focusing on the end-result too much.
But when I started trying to do anything more complex (inking with cheap pens, shading with low-quality pencils, coloring, etc.) it was vastly harder than it should've been.

This peaked when I was trying to get into painting, and absolutely nothing worked. I thought I was just terrible. Eventually I got some proper watercolor paper, and it looked amazing, and was far easier.
Bought higher-quality pencils, and then I could shade properly. A few options for dip pen nibs, and I could ink.

I think most oft-repeated art advice has some legitimacy to it - people just don't qualify what specific purpose that advice is useful for, or when it stops being useful.

>>7619178 (OP)
>"It doesn't matter what brushes you use/You don't need my brush"

This video on Midwits perfectly describes what these people are saying to you.
https://youtu.be/9agM261CSJU?si=sfprHpSm-3YdCjf9&t=228

Replace "child" with beginner, there's a lot of nuance and you can easily get lost or overwhelmed trying to hold all that information as a beginner, so these people tell you it doesn't matter what material you use because you ought to be studying fundamentals then experiment with different brushes. As >>7619822 said, practicing with a cheaper version of a material engenders confidence which when you switch to the more expensive ones things that you struggled with feels like a breeze in comparison, but you probably won't get that feeling without first building up a knowledge base then furthering on your education.

They have this in lifting as well, it's usually the big 3 (Squat Deadlift Bench), Compound movements that hits the more important parts of the body, they tell beginners usually to focus on this and when it inevitably pays off these early intermediate lifters can fall into the trap thinking that you only need those 3 and other exercises are just fluff and wonder why certain muscles aren't progressing.

>>7619192
How come people on /ic/ throw around the term schizo over anything?

>someone is shit at art for years
schizo
>someone is trolling
schizo
>someone is mean to you
schizo
>someone has a misunderstanding
schizo
>someone is emotional
>schizo

Starting to think it's schizos just projecting their own issues on to others.
inb4 "schizo"

>>7619185
Thread could have ended right here.

>>7619885
I think schizo just means someone's whose self defeatist mindset holds him back from doing well at art

>>7619885
True and schizopilled.

I think schizo just means "crazy/i dont like you" now. Unfortunate.

>>7619885
every time I pointed this out in X general get some flavor of
>t. schizo
which just confirmed whoever keeps saying this was just doing so to strike a nerve at certain people.

>>7619885
We only have 3 active true schizos on this board right now - cris, scribble guy, and tabletschizo. If it isn't one of them it isn't a real schizo

>>7619237
You need their brushes in order to reproduce a similar effect. I am currently trying to study an artist, an after I zoom in I try to understand what tool or brush has been used.
Sometimes, you can even tell which program has been used.

I hate that my favourite artists almost never released things like process videos, brushes, or tutorials.

>>7620825
>You need their brushes in order to reproduce a similar effect
Well sure, but you don't need it to improve. Which is what OP was crying about.

>>7619178 (OP)
>What are some things that artists with a higher skill (than you) said so you wouldn't improve?
I could go all day:
>"just draw"
No. It's 80 studying/analyzing, and 20% iterative drawing.
>"I recommend you to buy Procreate or CSP"
Krita is enough.
>"heRe arE soMe of thE bEst BrushEs"
A hard round brush and an air brush are enough, and if they're not, just tweak them a little and find the textures yourself.
>"watch this jewtube channel:"
Most drawing tutorials there are completely dogshit and can be resumed to "you're going to learn to draw MY way, not the general way." Only Proko, Marco Bucci, Drawabox, Sinix, CTRL Paint, and a few others are worth something.
>"ask artists for input"
Just like most "teachers" on Youtube, most artists aren't in the position to teach you something (unless you happen to be able to ask a really good artist for criticism and that they happen to be open about giving criticism, but those artists are usually really busy and can't simply bother with it). Asking most artists for input also fall in the "you're going to learn MY way" problem, where you will learn how things work for them, and not how they work in general.
>"have this book download this course have another book have this course have these videos"
Hoarding material freezed me for over 4 months and I just couldn't decide where to start (back when Batmanon would post the MEGA link and you could download almost 3TB worth of courses)
>inb4 "pyw"
I don't owe you anything, faggot. I'm a furfag and I have a recognizable artstyle, and I don't want people to cancel me over using le chud hacker forum.
>BONUS
Evade Watts Atelier. Nigga yaps a lot, and you're only going to waste 20 minutes of your time. For all the shit Proko gets in here by crabs no one teaches anatomy like he does, not even Vilppu (even though Vilppu is so much better at teaching gesture drawing)

>>7620961
post a study if not real work or didn't happen

>>7619178 (OP)
near the turn of the millennium, i had a professor who thought he was king shit of the design world. old fucking crusty crab ESL shit head. there was a reason why this guy shifted to design instead of art: he could not draw. i asked him to bring examples of his work and he would not do it.
>buut buut THAT'S INSUBORDINATION! how DARE you ask to see the work of a professor!
sure. use browser, type in his name, all i could find was book covers in the exact same style. he couldn't draw, and he had no variety to his "work."
>doing my own little thing in a printmaking class, used the class as an outlet to draw obscure and taboo shit
>that teacher shows design professor my prints
>come to class the next day, he yells at me in front of the class, "GET RID OF YOUR STYLE!" (and to go home)
>but why? does it remind you of a certain historical figure you're triggered by?
>"GO HOME" students laugh, asked to see what i drew
turns out i think the guy was german hitler youth and i unknowingly pinched a nerve so hard it struck him to tell me to literally, bluntly tell me to fuck off out of art, because he didn't agree with my politics on the side, or reveal himself to be a no-draw hack piece of shit with skeletons in the closet.
and no, i did not stop drawing, crabs will crab if they're that bad and unhelpful.

>>7619178 (OP)
That I have to get a drawing tablet, I just draw on my phone
It’s easy and portable

>>7621476
Yup those who criticize the hardest draw the least. Based on you for seeing right through it

>>7619185
Best post, thread closed