Thread 7619715

Hi, I'm a beginner, just starting out with drawing. I have some time and money to spend, so I bought this course. I did the first two exercises, but I feel like I'm not learning anything. Proko seems great at drawing, but is he bad at teaching? Why do I feel this way, am I wrong? As a beginner, am I just wasting my time with this course? What do you guys think?

>>7619715 (OP)
post your stuff before and after doing the exercises. How long have you been sticking with the course?

>>7619715 (OP)
you have to practice, retard. you can't just do two assignments and get good

>>7619715 (OP)
>Proko seems great at drawing, but is he bad at teaching?
>Proko
Proko is a meme around here for a reason OP.

>>7619715 (OP)
It looks like he is teaching the French academic method, same as the Bargue drawing course: you measure carefully, break down the outlines into a series of straight lines (this is to avoid a bad habit of making unstudied curves), treat the darks as one uniform tone (squinting helps to separate the lights from the darks) and work progressively from the large enveloping masses down to the minute details. Once this is all done correctly, it is only labor and careful observation of subtleties in the outline and gradation of shade to bring the drawing to a satisfying finish. This is a very labor intensive way of drawing, but it does teach you to *see* accurately and that is a skill that helps with almost any kind of drawing. For example, even if you are drawing cartoons, you have to be able to notice if the features are in alignment, if lines are parallel or divergent, etc. Beginners tend not to be able to even notice these kinds of errors because their eyes are undiscriminating.

>>7619719
I don’t want to post my work, I’m super shy. It looks like beginner shit anyway, so you guys are probably just gonna bully me :(

>>7619731
We are.

>>7619715 (OP)
Yeah if you want that to work for you, you're going to have to like rewatch lessons, take notes, really concentrate and engage and try to build up the skills Proko talks about.

I don't have a great metaphor for this, but a lot of /beg/ artists treat learning art like driving a car, where you just look up how to then grind up a bunch of hours driving around the neighbourhood. Going on longer drives isn't going to improve that much.
You want to treat it like trying to get the fastest possible time on a rally track - need to be asking yourself constantly why you're not getting the results you want. Earnestly too, I don't mean just saying "oh I'm bad :(", look at your art, it's a visual medium and specifically target where you're lacking.

I don't mean go fast, just the level of engagement you want to be approaching stuff with.
And also do you really give a shit about fine art, in my experience people normally do stuff like this because they think they should.

>>7619715 (OP)
Buying an online course in general, is a meme, its a scam, and its useless to learn something if there's no teacher irl to handhold you throughout the process of your learning. There's a reason why place like mastercalss or skill share or udemy or whatever is a stupid fucking meme that leads nowhere
t. Torrented bunch of these online course and learn nothing from them
Now setting that aside, If I were you I would buy a sketchbook and pencil instead, then I would try to sketch some good looking cosplayer or model online, from xitter or pinterest and that's it

>>7619715 (OP)
sometimes learning art is just gaining the millage
that doesn't mean just draw mindlessly and you get magically better
it means once you learn a new rule, fundamental, or technique you'll need some time actually using it before it really sets in

>>7619776
this is true
besides whatever proko says it is free on the internet anyway, there's no magic trick besides having someone teaching you irl and pointing your mistakes as you go, no point in trying to do this shit, spending 3 hours in a drawing, knowing the shading is shit and your feedback is "your shading is shit"

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>>7619797
ty so much for the advice, guys. I think I’m just being really impatient. I want to get better now without actually trusting the process, without taking notes or improving slowly but surely. I’ve bought so many courses and just said, ‘Screw it, I’ll start with this one,’ but my impatience is seriously killing me inside. I want to get better right now or super fast.

>>7619833
you won't even be passable for years, deal with it

>>7619839
Yeah, I know. What I'm gonna do is put in my best effort and actually start and finish the courses I bought, take notes, and come here so you guys can bully my art xdd. You'll basically be the IRL teacher I don't have. I think that could be a good solution for someone who isn't studying at an academy or university.

>>7619833
Impatience is why 99% of people start courses and drop them immediately then wonder around aimlessly from youtube tutorial/speedpaint to speedpaint not really getting better for years and years and then getting bitter and dropping art forever because "I can't believe I've been drawing for years and not gotten better". Impatience is why grinding doesn't work, people just want to speed through it so they can be at the end instead of trying to actively get better.

I think the best advice I can give is to try and enjoy the act of drawing and the process of getting better, find the fun in that, don't just be in it for pure results. Find the excitement in looking at your art and finding something you can do better, to a point where you immediately go back and fix it rather than getting impatient and wanting to "move on to the next drawing".
Learn to love art and you won't just get better quicker, you'll actually enjoy the process too.

>>7619715 (OP)
I assume this is the fundamental course.
Drawing what you see decently is super important. His figure and anatomy courses are pretty ok, so he is a decent teacher at least

>>7619833
Wasnt about impatience bud, your first step in here is already wrong. With that money you can get short course irl that'll took you 3-6 months with one or two session each week, that'll improve your skill greatly, far more than /ic/ could offer, you know something like prep school except for drawing? Find one that will teach you how to draw from nothing and you're g2g.
But say that real life class is not your thing, even then you can still get online course in this board without having to spend a single dime for that a.k.a. for free

>>7619842
Oh no no no. Who’s gonna tell him?

you need to set tangible goals. if you want to draw exactly like proko then you should continue with his courses but if you want to draw anime bitches then you should do exactly that. the problem with all these courses is they don't teach you how to utilize your mistakes, if i do A and then B i'll get C, right? but there's a whole bunch of hidden variables that prevent you from even getting A or B and thats what you need to figure out

>>7619886
Well, I want to draw anime bitches with good proportions, mostly for concept art, that's my dream. And for that, I know I need to study figure drawing, perspective, anatomy. I need solid observational skills to make good textures. But my goal isn’t to draw human portraits or anything like that, so maybe that’s part of why I feel a bit frustrated too

>>7619847
actually good advice anon, ty so much

>>7619917
start drawing your favorite anime bitches right now, doesn't matter if it looks bad, keep doing it until you get tired of it and then do your studies and repeat this process. STAY FOCUSED ON THE ANIME BITCHES AND DON'T LOOK BACK YOU WILL MAKE IT

>>7619926
Okay, anon, you convinced me. I’ve got like 30 courses waiting for me on Coloso, so I guess I can start drawing anime bitches right meow

>>7619917
>But my goal isn’t to draw human portraits or anything like that, so maybe that’s part of why I feel a bit frustrated too
Yeah Proko isn't going to do anything for you, find yourself an anime bitch artist course and go that route.
You can return to Proko when you've got a use for the skills he's teaching, or you're just curious, after you've actually achieved what you want.

>>7619936
Actually, goat advice, anon. Holy shit. I really needed someone to say that. I don’t wanna draw boring academic photorealistic shit, just cute anime girls with good proportions.

>>7619942
You dont sound like you even like drawing. I find all things in this world interesting, and I’ve never had a better time drawing than in a warmly lit life drawing studio, studying the bones and nude models set up before me, no matter what they look like, whether old or young, male or female, beautiful or ugly…

I genuinely find your zoomer talk offensive, and I’m probably younger than you. Go fuck yourself

>>7619947
Eh, it's not like you stop looking for new approaches to art once you achieve your goals, but pissing about not achieving them is just going to be frustrating.

>>7619947
thAt iS oFfensIve, stfu kiddo, GTFO this is a +18 website

>>7619715 (OP)
Watched the demo, do the exercise, watch the critique video then redo the exercise and move on to the next lesson, if you do this until the (how to draw accurate proportions) lesson, you should feel like learning a lot, if until there you are still not learing you have a problem, in that case I recommend you a course that gives you personal feedback and critiques in every exercise.

>>7619942
proko doesn't teach academic nor photorealistic drawing, retard

>>7620049
Well, for me this kind of rendering and level of detail is tedious, boring, and irrelevant to what I want to achieve. I don’t like it. I don’t want to learn how to draw photographs, where’s the creativity and productivity in that? If that’s the logic, why not just use AI and be done with it? You’d save 20 years of your life.

>>7620144
It's fun to feel out form with light and stuff.

You should learn the basics of observationaal drawing for the sake of copying. Beyond that learning from a human photocopier isn't going to help you draw cute anime girls.

>>7619715 (OP)
he is a horrible teacher and his videos are trash

>>7620144
>Well, for me this kind of rendering and level of detail is tedious, boring, and irrelevant to what I want to achieve
Every advanced "anime" artist is well versed in anatomy i.e. what Proko teaches

>>7620144
If an architecture student spoke like that about their boring fundmentals of math, geometry and engineering classes, everyone would call them a retard and tell them to quit before they end up hurting someone with their stupidity.

Art has fundamentals too. Only difference is people don't die if you skip them, instead you just waste a decade of your life and annoy everyone around you when you bitch about being bad at art and still not wanting do them because "its not what I want to end up drawing". Until finally you get sick of sucking.

You know what's worse than fundies being boring? Still having to come back and learn them after you've put in endless years of struggling. Finding out that you could have just banged that shit out as a stubborn beginner and spent the rest of those years having fun easily drawing whatever you want.

Avoid it forever and youre guaranteed NGMI

>>7619833
>I want to get better now without actually trusting the process, without taking notes or improving slowly but surely.
Don't fall into the trap of pointless exercises to "get better". This can waste anywhere from hours to years of your life. The practice that you do should be tailored to what results you're trying to achieve, and just general "improvement" doesn't mean anything. Learning from Proko materials means you'll improve at drawing the type of stuff you see on Proko. Decide ahead of time if that is what you want to do.
>>7619839
This isn't true in general. Barring some disabilities or some very select end goals, almost anyone can produce passable stuff in months if they practice correctly. The online courses cottage industry profits off of convincing people they need years for it because it's a perfect excuse as to why the courses didn't help them at all.

>>7620183
Most of what people refer to as "fundamentals" aren't fundamental in the universal sense at all, they're just fundamental for a given look. Most of the fundamentals you'd learn for the Western academic look are not going to carry over to drawing anime characters, and some of them might actually impede that.

>>7619715 (OP)
This first lesson is more about fucking around with your tools and getting used to them than it is about teaching you a specific art fundamental. The course seemed fine overall from when I looked at and it'll cover pretty much everything you'll want in a fundamentals course.

>>7619731
Hopefully to the point of making you kill yourself.

>>7620347
omg you always here, kill YouRselF, you can't say anything different or apport something useful, thats the only thing your brain knows, you should do it then brother, go ahead and fucking jump of a bridge

>>7620144
you're a dumb nigger

>>7620351
>apport
You won't get out of Venezuela with art, loser.

>>7620355
omg shut the fuck up, bitch. You ruined the whole thread. At least I'm trying to get better. What are you doing? Just telling people to unalive themselves, that's the only thing you know, the only thing your brain can come up with.