Thread 7620362

>>7621161
her left eye is smaller than the right in your drawing.
Also pay attention to the edge of her lower lid, it's actually a bright tone when you have it really dark in your drawing.

>>7621154
great job it leads my eyes to the top.

>>7621165
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the advice hombre.

>>7620869
link to krenz course?

Need to study shoulders more, I don't think the eyes are placed properly either

Fixed on >>7621165's advice, also added some shading. Still open to criticism obviously.

>>7620999
Thank you redliner, that means a lot coming from you, tho, I hope this is not some perverse bait to hurt my feelings. I'm a li'l bit vulnerable right now...
>>7621005
Nah, I only post here, (this board) sometimes in /i/. But you can follow the linked pages of this one comic back to the first page. Thank you!

>>7620941
I love your style so much, I did a quick doodle using your picrel as ref

>>7621049
Your portraits are amazing, every time
>>7621139
Extremely beautiful, saved!

>>7620963
>Here’s a quick idea
thanks bro, first one to actually help me in the past few weeks
you're right, im gonna put them in a 3d grid/box see if i can fix it. adding a BG would be nice too (^-^)

>>7621173
Nah, usually most of the drawings here are dogshit and you used to have a very grotesque style but occasionally I'm genuinely enjoying some of your panel art now. Keep it up champ.

>>7621173
i always love your art

I've got no idea how to draw tits, maybe it didn't help that i was trying to do it from imagination. Good thing i'm into flat girls

>>7621181
Theyre too close together

>>7621170
something more like this I think.

>>7620994
harder to judge his art since he draws from life and uses ink which makes things harder. most people here draw with easier mediums and from photo/illustrative ref which makes things easier.

>>7621173
man make some so its easier to follow your comic my guy
>>7621183
unless he is drawing them in a bra

>>7620362 (OP)
>>7620273
>>7620280
Thanks for your input Anon's! I think it looks a bit better but I really have to tackle the underlying issue I have. Gonna grind some faces/Loomis heads once I'm done with this.

as a /beg/ i have no idea how to move from sketchy idea phase into any kind of cleanup or correction. how do you approach this? i end up giving up and doing a new drawing instead, which mean i never get a finished piece.

like this for example, anatomy is wonky all over but that neck shoulder area is 7 types of screwed up itself.. but how do i even begin to change that and start molding back towards something i can start to ink?

>>7621229
my retard-strength hunchback gf
you were supposed to plot out where the limbs/joints would go before you filled them in

>>7621229
lower the opacity, sketch again on top. refine the lines. repeat until it's clean enough to ink.
if you've never turned a sketch into an inked drawing before, you'll notice how actually unclear your sketch is.

I can't name a single contemporary artist, famous or obscure. Is this an issue?

>>7621236
No worries Anon, I can't name a single.

>>7621234
thanks, i tried and do see that what i had was actually just completely unclear and unusable, you're right.

trying to make corrections to anatomy that im still too /beg/ to grasp just made a way less appealing drawing. back to the fundie grinding mines with me.

>>7621234
note that it WILL look like shit at first. just like everything else you do the first time, you'll have no idea what you're doing. the more you do it, the more you'll understand. don't put it off because it's unfamiliar or hard. keep trying.

someone please tell me to fucking draw

>>7621248
how about you go fucking draw

>>7621250
o-okay

>>7621248
draw something that makes your brain light up or else

>>7620522
Grind nigga that's the only thing separating you from a talentfag.

>>7621226
Its weird cause everything looks perfect, its just the face cause its still not in the right place but everything else looks solid

pre rehab group doodle
idk how tops know what to do with their hands when getting head, because I have no idea what to do with them while drawing LMAO

and another one uwu

done, decided to cut the legs anyway. shit was taking too much time to fix

Aiza!

>>7621314
Really nice, you are really good

im back with more things to try

>>7621319
Nigga got no brain

amuro if he wasn't cool

>>7621319
>>7621319
Good, welcome back

>>7621326
But he looks cool

>>7621323
>Nigga got no brain
just like ryu players

>>7621323
thats not the top of the head its just where the drawing stops

>>7621319
>oh no no no no no no no...bhg-ghhhaaaahhhhh..

quick doodle

The more green I can add to my art, the better it is

Tfw no gf

>>7621349
Red goes faster

>>7621359
draw ideal gf
now you have gf

>>7621363
Based artist wizard

>>7620996
lovely work peril, it's interesting to see you work on the more nonsexual portions of your comics and seeing how well they hold up. i also enjoyed the decision you made at the end, was wondering where and how you were going to take it.

>>7621362
I don’t like red

tfw no discord art friends. who wants to be friends? i WILL redline and i WILL not ghost but sometimes reply slow when busy

>>7620996
This may be an selfish ask but, might I suggest vertical next time? It'll be easier to read on mobile as I sometimes phone post

>>7620902
>Tom Fox
WTF this guy TEACHES people?
Actual scam artists. Literally

>>7620996
knowing that someone saved my slop makes me quite happy

Draw someone hugging a deer, /beg/.

>>7620476
Why is her pinky 7 inches long

>>7620705
Actual 80iq take.

>>7620362 (OP)
Any resources for absolute beginners wishing to learn digital painting? Not drawing, painting specifically?
Meaning shit like this (from another thread)?

>>7621436
Marco bucci has very good rendering vids

Wait a minute
I recognize this artwork in the bottom

I'm doing the Contour exercise in "The Natural Way To Draw" and I want to make sure I understand the assignment.

It said not to look at the paper while drawing and FEEL the object you are recording. I did the bottle blind, but the other ones I would stop mid-line to reorient myself. Is the latter missing the point and should it be more blind?

>>7620869
Thank you!
Evakoi, pro anime animator, also rec Krenz gumroad courses so it's the best.

>>7620917
You're a more skilled artist than the other anon but his art's soul unlike your art.

>>7620743
soul
>>7620917
soulless

>bad drawing
soul
>good drawing
soulless

started Morpho

>>7621468
Can tell gmi just by the character of your lines

>>7621467
Cope

>>7621467
The point is that soulful art doesnt always have the perfect proportions but still succeeds, sorry that you cant understand that

soulless redliners on suicide watch

>>7620917
is this the uguuu filipino?

>>7621442
they've posted on r/Krita a few times too
pattern recognition goes crazy

>>7621417
hugging Deerbros oc !

>>7621436
Painting is drawing. You will flail until you can draw.

>>7621497
Sure. But there are a billion drawing resources out there.
I'm looking for painting tutorials, hopefully taking you from absolute beginner to intermediate.

>>7621491
Awww that's adorable, thanks! very cute
i still feel bad not crediting Russia kun for that design
>>7621469
thank you

>>7621514
imagine the smell

Trying to brute force myself out of art block by doing upside down exercises and shit but I may just be fucked

>>7621528
>art block
are you a tranny? anyone who draws doesnt get "art block", they just draw

>>7621514
Too much chicken-scratch

>>7621531
>t word
We don't use that language here. Apologize to xer and be better next time.

>>7621531
I can draw it just isn't turning out as good as normal because something in the observation key is off

>>7621370
Thank you! (Tremorbro?) Yeah, the consensus of what is beautiful in a "sfw" composition, is much more easier to reach and please. In the erotic realm on the other hand, that's when real magic happens, that's when it is interesting and fun to warp and "throw the dice" as I say lol.
I managed to fit everything in the 30th page. I guess I'll post it in the next thread.
>>7621381
No, it's not selfish. You're right. Personally I would like to do a vertical format, but it doesn't help me to do this efficiently. I tried, and I just can't "hold it", it's like infinite sand running through my fingers. Like I said in an earlier reply, setting clear boundaries and solid restrictions to your format guarantees a "bulletproof workflow". The vertical format is just unmanageable, it's impossible for me to put a limit on how lengthy that vertical "one page" would be.
>>7621415
No prob! Thanks for sharing anon!
>>7621175
Thank you redliner!
>>7621177
Thank you anon!
>>7621225
I don't know, I like this way of posting, no pressure, no stress, no strings attached. If you like it, there it is, you can have it, lol.

>>7621314
NICE!
>>7621500
Great stuff as usual anon, btw this one >>7620864 must be my favorite one. There's something about it, some late 80's early mid 90's low poly elegant and mysterious vibe. Saved.

>>7621535
ah, my apologies
>>7621531
sorry for your hurting your feelings she/he/they/them/it/xer/xan/xor/zimzam

>>7621536
>>7621552
i even fucked up my apology, this is how shaky my hands get by doing something not politically correct and risking getting canceled on a mongolian basket weaving forum
>>7621554
>>7621552
have you tried drawing characters or things youre passionate about? it seems to work for me

>>7621436
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ5QF0q4QqQ

Watch this video. It's all you really need to know about painting and it outlines a process to organize your modeling factors. Keep in mind, if your shapes don't look right in the first stage of painting, look at your subject and correct them as best as you can before moving to the next stage. You are still drawing while doing this, it's just a different idea/philosophy which Harold Speed refers to as mass drawing. Emphasis on shapes rather than form. Someone gave you a repaint in the previous thread or in the thread before the previous. You should go check that out.

>>7621548
He drops uchi and master's attire.

>>7621559
yes, I draw things I am passionate about, the problem is I need the observation head state to study
>>7621553
Very glad you've managed to finish it peril! I'm extremely pleased

Morpho has a way of making you draw the ugliest motherfuckers possible

>>7621581
That's why I stopped Morpho to learn a more appealing face method (chommang) lol
I'll come back to Morpho once I'm faster with drawing portraits

>>7621581
arent you supposed to skip the heads

>>7621586
Why would you skip the heads idk its fine for visual memory stuff
like why would you be supposed to skip the heads in particular lol
>>7621585
I'm pretty fast so it doesn't kill me but damn these mfers ugly af

>>7621587
Why not try to draw Morpho's heads in your own style? That's my plan anyway

>>7621590
If I draw them in my own style I'll default to crutches and my weird pseudo construction I use for heads that isn't helpful for dynamic head angles

>>7621587
>damn these mfers ugly af
you would not have fun drawing my portrait then... haha..

>>7621592
Well you'll have to find a way to synthesize the two then

>>7621595
It's starting to happen unconsciously

>>7621585
I never understand this sentiment, it's just a method to keep the features of the face lined up and proportionate, it still applies to whatever style you want.

>>7621603
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq5-vLB4hkk

finished this page with stuff
time to draw men in bikini's

>>7621573
Looks at this talentfag flaunting his clean ovals and triangles.

>>7621573
wtf go to the int thread, you dont belong in beg

>>7621573
Rat

>>7621628
He's here to inspire the less fortunate

>>7621622
>>7621628
>>7621634

>shitpost
>get (You)s
>post art
>crickets
It's all so tiresome.

>>7621690
Post your art

and things start to fail again, it was a surprised someone going well for once in my life

If you reply to that, you are mentally retarded.

Alright, attempt number 2. This time I know for a fact I fucked up. Especially the face, was trying to do a realistic eye multiple times, kept erasing, redoing it until I went "fuck it" and went with this weird compromise. I worked on it a bit yesterday but had some stuff going on so I ended up doing most of this evening. Still I *think* I did the anatomy and gesture better. I am doing a side-by-side with the ref (>>7619759) and it looks much better. although I am not fond of how I made the arms a little bit wonky. I didn't bother with as much with detail. Third attempt will be the charm, I'll work on it tomorrow

>>7620360
>Comparison is important for learning. It helps you figure things out faster
Yep, although the curious thing is. I used to do comparisons of just looking at something and then looking at the ref. But putting them side by side in small thumbnails seems far more useful since I can actually see it more from a grander scale
>He’s a fighter, so only watch his videos if you're interested in gaining more knowledge about that. Otherwise, it’s not necessary
That's fair, I've only done a bit of martial arts, but I am still a beginner in that field too, so either way, better to get more knowledge
>Honestly, just pick a single full-body, single light source reference that you like, and work from it for a week. You’ll improve faster by working iteratively.
I'll go with this pose for now and work on that. If I may ask, what's a good consistent regiment to keep up? And should I do it with multiple works a day per week? Just curious, since I never seem to be able to find the right "schedule" to do it right.
>One way to develop this sense is to try the poses yourself and get a feel for how they actually feel.
I see, I actually tried that before, but I foolishly didn't use a mirror, the thought didn't cross my mind until now. Makes a lot more sense for getting the feel. I do notice I still have trouble with gesture in general though, I need to work on that

>>7621611
Honestly I get the big picture of this brother, but his arms are so fucking out of proportion, if you can fix that it'll look pretty good

>>7621741
blud spent more time typing than drawing :skullemoji:

>>7621765
An hour to draw roughly actually, only like 5 minutes to type. Most of the time was spent erasing and redrawing several parts admittedly since I was struggling to get things right (I guess it wasn't really my day?). Plus I kinda felt parts of it was already a lost cause and I knew that continuing to erase it would leave marks that would look off in the final version. I was satisfied to have kinda gotten the basic pose right. Like I said, third time will probably be when I get it right.
Although, perhaps I *could* keep iterating this version. Maybe it'll end up looking better if I keep correcting it? I don't know what's the best path forwards here.

>>7621765
>>7621773
Actually, come to think of it, this portable scanner doesn't pick up any of the weird indentations from the constant erasing/pressing of the pencil I've been doing. That's interesting. Other scanners I had before would pick it up and make it look like ass.

>>7621695
andrew poopmas was hella racis fr

>>7621773
I was just funposting, don't worry about it. Deep introspection is crucial for developing your skills. Watch some Vilppu videos, it might help expose where you're going wrong. And ultimately, get that mileage in. Keep drawing and you will get better. Start drawing from life as well, it will greatly improve your observation skills.

>>7621783
Just a man of his time

>>7621796
>I was just funposting, don't worry about it.
Yeah I shouldn't take stuff so seriously, but it still did try to force me to spend a bit more time trying to see if I could iterate it. And surprisingly, I did manage to somewhat fix some aspects of it through erasing. But I am still not fully satisfied, eyes look wonky, I have trouble with details on the gloves, etc. But it is better than before.
>Deep introspection is crucial for developing your skills.
True, though I sometimes have trouble with seeing the solution, but I think maybe I need to spend more time on it, I feel my issue is I don't spend as much time and give up a little too quickly on something if it's too flawed. That's a habit I should kick out.
>Watch some Vilppu videos, it might help expose where you're going wrong.
Good idea, I held off of Vilppu since I assumed I needed to have some knowledge of some other fundamentals, but maybe that was incorrect of me, so I'll do that.
>Keep drawing and you will get better. Start drawing from life as well, it will greatly improve your observation skills.
The funny thing is with drawing from life is, I've tried it multiple times, but I sometimes end up needing to move for whatever reason (which is quite often), and in the process I lose the angle from where I was drawing. I kinda have trouble with drawing from life for that reason. Is there a solution to that?

>>7621796
>>7621811
Forgot pic of the fixing attempt

>>7621811
You can actually do Vilppu's gesture drawing method with virtually no knowledge of your subject (although knowing anatomy is extremely helpful). You really just need to know how 3d forms move and overlap in space, which admittedly can be challenging (this is where life drawing helps).

It sounds like the subjects you chose to draw from life were too complex and took too long. Pick some small, easy subjects to start and draw it in a single sitting. Something like a bottle, a pencil sharpener, a laptop, basic stuff. You will want to upgrade to more complex subjects eventually but it's a step by step process. If you're serious about putting in the work, I highly recommend you check out the dynamic sketching general. Not only will that help you with life drawing, but it will improve your line confidence and speed. If you do end up doing it, DO IT IN PEN as instructed by Peter. Seriously.

>>7621820
>You can actually do Vilppu's gesture drawing method with virtually no knowledge of your subject
Excellent
>You really just need to know how 3d forms move and overlap in space, which admittedly can be challenging (this is where life drawing helps).
I know a fair amount since I did practice with Drawabox (I was roughly near the end of Lesson 1 before I paused a bit to try and practice on some references for like a week). But I think practicing some more doesn't hurt.
>It sounds like the subjects you chose to draw from life were too complex and took too long.
I am embarrassed to say that it was very simple stuff. Like a glass of water, a bottle and uh. Yeah. Ironically my most success with life drawing was drawing something complex, which was a replica skull I had.
>If you're serious about putting in the work, I highly recommend you check out the dynamic sketching general. Not only will that help you with life drawing, but it will improve your line confidence and speed. If you do end up doing it, DO IT IN PEN as instructed by Peter. Seriously.
I'll check it out, thank you. Just what I needed. I was kinda lost about where to go with the current state of how I draw, so I am absolutely grateful for being pointed to the right direction. And yeah, I have a few Fineliner Pens I can use. I don't mind doing it in pen, Drawabox already helped me with desensitizing myself with using the pen.

>>7620362 (OP)
good pose?

need a new sketchbook soon

perspectives are kinda working but still it could be better, any Ideas what character I should draw next?

>>7621751
yeah i've always had trouble with getting the length of the arms down when they're in a position away from the body

>>7621863
also I have therapy tomorrow but she's not a good therapist and I normally feel worse after and not in a therapeutic way

>>7621864
Kamina from ttgl beating up and raping Viral

>>7621887
so find a better therapist. you clearly have some stuff to work through.

>>7621887
Uh I dont know this character and franchise, looked it up he is male? maybe a female or androgynous character?

>>7621741
for you, the best thing you could possibly work on is simply doing more master copies. Find artists you like and try your best to copy them as best as you can.

another anon suggested Vilppu, and I think that's a great suggestion. But Vilppu can mislead people because he says "don't copy, analyze!" but really, analysis is just a deeper, more nuanced version of copying. But your'e still copying

>If I may ask, what's a good consistent regiment to keep up?
Copy copy copy copy. Copy art you love and redraw from memory.

And draw from imagination alongside that

do both at the same time

>>7621500
I fucking love medical / sci-fi gore as an art genre, but it's not something you can just post on your blog like it's another tuesday

>>7621887
>>7621888
actually... Anon could sell his schizo notebook to some mental institution for some money

I-I'M A PERMABEG

>>7621902
and that's good

>>7621888
yeah Medicaid therapy is kinda "you get what you pay for", and it's free lol

>>7621893
yeah they're both male
maybe you could draw kaiba from kaiba? or kanabun from midori? or maybe noi from dorohedoro if you want a female character?

>>7621910
Oh Kanabun and Noi are good Ideas !

Gato warmup time

i worked out instead of drawing more today because i saw too much asgore art and I feel bad that I can't draw him well

Something weird is going on...

>>7621929
She's too hot?

>>7621282
RiP

They're definitely my Achilles Heel atm. I'll grind some Roomis heads and then do some face studies on artists I like and would like to emulate. Hopefully it'll help.

>>7621929
頑張れ!諦めるな!

>>7621896
redlining pj-anon, what is the benefit of trying to redraw from memory multiple on the same ref vs just copying a ref and overlaying it just once and moving on to the next ref?

>>7621955
the overlay thing is more important and is responsible for 90% of your gains, since it's what crystallizes your basic shapes / proportions / forms. also, don't just overlay once, try at least 10x on the same image, so you can fix your mistakes somewaht. overlaying also builds your observational muscles, which makes everything else you do better

memory drawing is a way of quickly growing your visual library in an imprecise way. It's fine for details and subjects that inherently don't require precision, like trees, rocks, bugs. (see: feng zhu's "JUST DRAW" lecture).

i recommend memory drawing for beginners because overall, beginners will improve just by drawing anything, and the overlay thing is more for taking you from intermediate to advanced, but beginners will benefit greatly from overlaying too

>>7621896
>for you, the best thing you could possibly work on is simply doing more master copies. Find artists you like and try your best to copy them as best as you can.
I genuinely wish I had this advice when I was a teenager. I foolishly was under the impression for decades that copying was basically plagiarism/laziness and there was no value to it. Thankfully I realized quite recently (about 1-2 years ago) that copying is very useful for beginners, so I've actually started to do that more. But I should get back to doing that more consistently, I kinda stopped for a bit since I wanted to try and copy from real world references, but I probably made that jump too early.
>But Vilppu can mislead people because he says "don't copy, analyze!" but really, analysis is just a deeper, more nuanced version of copying. But your'e still copying
That's good, thanks for the tip, that would've messed with me if I had stumbled on that without knowing that distinction.
>Copy copy copy copy. Copy art you love and redraw from memory.
Redrawing from memory is one of the few things I haven't tried yet. Definitely should now that you mentioned.
Although when I meant regiment, I meant like how much time per day I should roughly spend. Is there a rough idea on that? I suck ass at time management, but having basic time goals I should achieve per day might help me have a grasp on how much I should do and keep things consistent.
>And draw from imagination alongside that
Good idea, I've been doing less of that, which probably isn't the best. I need to keep things balanced if I want to improve steadily.

Either way, I am really grateful for this advice. It's pretty much what I needed. I was stuck for a few years since I genuinely didn't know where to go from here, I am glad I ended up posting here and finding out what I needed to progress.

>>7621954
Thank you!

>>7621968
>>7621968
no problem! If you want a structured guide, here's one that works really well:

https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/

I had a thread a long time ago where I saw someone work through the entire guide up through Bridgman and Loomis, and he genuinely went from mid/beg/ to /pro/ level in a year. If you can dedicate time to it,it works wonders

as for time, just do as much as you can stomach per day

>>7621969
なんじゃ、こりゃ~

>>7620639
Yes, that's how I started out drawing consistent and proportional faces (measuring the eye heights). You may also want to include an indication of where halfway point of the head height is (it differs in some styles). Keep going.

>>7621976
>No problem! If you want a structured guide, here's one that works really well:
Thank you! I appreciate it. This is ideal for me.
>I had a thread a long time ago where I saw someone work through the entire guide up through Bridgman and Loomis, and he genuinely went from mid/beg/ to /pro/ level in a year.
That's definitely VERY motivational. I really can't thank you enough.
Out of curiosity, do I really need to study Loomis? Because a part of me went through his stuff and kinda felt like I understood already a lot of the theory that he was presenting and that I didn't need to study him too deeply, but maybe I was just being short-sighted and superficial.
Bridgman is definitely someone I was considering, though I was rather confused by how I was meant to go through it, but the guide seems to have had the same experience, so I'll go through it regardless.
>as for time, just do as much as you can stomach per day
Excellent. Is there a good rough minimum amount of time I should strive for regardless?

>>7621611
>>7621751
>>7621873
Ok i tried fixing up his left arm. I forgot the word but drawing long objects facing towards the camera always fucks me up because i don't know how to convey the depth and the implied size of the object. ESPECIALLY if its not facing the camera 100% anyway i'll try any more corrections tommorow

>>7621965

and by multiple overlays, do you mean redraw some ref from scratch for each iteration?

i'll give it a try, but my concern for doing the process like that was that i felt i couldn't distinguish if i was making a copy a certain way because i saw the difference vs remembered the difference on a second run and made the change without much observational intention.

Just found out about clipping masks idk what I'm going to do with these but I assume lots of people use them for a reason

>>7622004
hey, this is actually a really good observation

if you just overlay once, then you need to put all your effort into observing the ref very carefully and trying to nail it on your first try. But if you do it multiple times, you're not improving your observational skills so much, but you're improving your knowledge and memory of the shape

I think the multiple times better approach is better overall, because it still improves your observational skills gradually, but it immensely improves your shape and proportional knowledge

if you just overlay once, that is the better strategy for improving your observational skills and is better for painters / people who want to get good at life drawing

either way, both ways will improve your work a lot

>>7621993
when i first started drawing, I noticed that if I tried to do 2 hours or more of drawing a day, I got RSI. It got so bad to the point that now, I have permanent trigger finger in my pink, and if I close it too much, it locks up

so my advice is just to gradually increase the length of your sessions over time. If 30 mins is all you can do, that's all you can do. Don't worry about it too much.

Today, I can draw 6-8 hours straight, but that's only becasue my tendons got stronger over time

Not really sure what I was thinking with all of the loose shading but it was a nice experiment I guess. Braids are hard.

why the actual fuck is dynamic brush scaling on by default in procreate. what the fuck..why.

>>7621999
take a picture of yourself doing the same pose and try to figure out whats wrong, both of your arms are far too small for the size of the body, it'll make a lot more sense if you see yourself doing the pose in a picture

Long

quick line test with the new accessibility stuff for people with hand tremors in procreate, seems like it could be promising for inking

>>7622094
OC character?

done for today. sleeping goblin

More tests using the tremor aid/ trimmer related accessibility tools, doesn't seem too bad for sketching but I'm not sure how well it would for more detailed work, but it seems pretty nice for like simple anime stuff and is making the lines cleaner
>>7622096
Just a random girl, I was thinking of her as like a stoner little sister to >>7620743

>>7622102
Very cute, reminds me of Vex from league of legends, you should definitely make more of her and the eyelashes are a unique trait.

>>7622104
as long as the person who made the original character that she was imagined from is okay with it, I will draw her again. feeling pretty happy about finding the tools for tremors. I wish I had looked it up sooner. it does really seem to help with getting line accuracy so maybe I can try to learn inking.

>>7621741
>>7621814
That's the spirit. The arms are looking much stronger, and that little twist of the wrist is good. Where you're failing is in copying accurately. For example, you're still missing the overlap between the head and right shoulder, and because of this, everything else keeps getting harder to match. observe that the farther away you get from the head, the more accurate it gets (fists, elbows, negative shapes).

>Especially the face, was trying to do a realistic eye multiple times, kept erasing, redoing it until I went "fuck it" and went with this weird compromise.
Then stop, take a breather, and make a key study or note on the same page and then keep going with the drawing. That way, you won't have to keep struggling in a small space and smudging everything with eraser marks. The masters did it, so should you... and you have the commodity of cheap printer paper, which they didn’t.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Raffaello,_studio_per_la_madonna_di_pasadena_2.jpg


>If I may ask, what's a good consistent regiment to keep up?
I don't know, I'm not the best person to answer that. I just try to draw every day and do my best with the limited time I have. Today I'm sick, so I did a doodle of a virus. Last week I did a map study. I believe that in the end, everything adds up if you put some effort into it. Other than that, there's a beginner book like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. It gives a lot of important art lingo that you'll need to solve your drawing problems.

>>7621954
Between this and the last mangrove study you did, you're slowly getting out of the plateau. Hopefully you can get a counseling session with a pro, you deserve it.

>>7622087
Get an anatomy book on animals. I keep seeing a lot of reinforcement of bad habits, especially in the shoulders and hips.

>>7622110
>Between this and the last mangrove study you did, you're slowly getting out of the plateau. Hopefully you can get a counseling session with a pro, you deserve it.
thank you man, I appreciate it

More practice with the tremor tool

>>7620362 (OP)
Another day, another hour of Bridgman studies.

Back to copying since i still didn't knew what i felt like drawing, the face felt very uncomfortably wide, but the bangs help with that, i already had tried to make it wider and even then it fell short, i think this is going to be a pain point for a bit, but copying helps with that as i can reassure myself i should just trust the process. Otherwise the chin and general structure of the face, besides the spacing of the eyes, even the hairline i got pretty much within margin of error on the first try so pretty happy about that

>>7622166
As i said she looks like she has some sort of disorder before putting the hair just by the distance between the eyes. Also reference https://x.com/BROWNDUST2_JP/status/1938028701108822436/photo/1

more line practice

>>7622175
no! you are struggling with digital lines just like me, what software are you using? keep experimenting add a little opacity in the lightest part of the stroke.

>>7622187
Procreate because it has hand tremor accessibility, I think I need to find a non default ink brush because all of the default ones are TERRIBLE

>>7622199
>hand tremor accessibility
have you tried a chalk brush at smaller sizes like 3 or 5px?

Sleepy draw

>>7622206
i haven't tried is the default procreate chalk brush ok?

>>7622216
probably, chalk brushes is was commonly suggested for lineart by many people.

What are some good (obtainable for free methods) brushes I can get for clip paint line art? I'm using the normal Gpen thats built in right now and still feel like somethings off, maybe my tablet settings

damn im stupid i posted in the old thread

>>7621226
Now on to grinding head studies.

>>7620445
Very nice friend.

>>7620849
>>7620845
An inspiration

>>7620876
Very cute.

>>7621349
kek, nice reference.

>>7621528
can you think before you shit out 20+ drawings per thread, could fix your problem maybe

>>7622208
>Goes from prebeg to medbeg while mogging permabegschizo in just a month
BRVTAL

seeking /int/ women to hurt me emotionally and physically

>>7622269
why are you so fucking shallow

>>7622094
>>7622102
>>7622109

I accept her as my stoner sister please keep drawing Deerbro <3

bruh this is kinda soulless ngl

i fucking love deerfag its unreal

i fucking hate deerfag its unreal

im fucking deerfag its unreal

im getting cucked by deerfag its unreal

im cucking deerfag its unreal

please redline and show me appealing lines to represent the back

>>7622377
I usually do something like this

>>7622405
made her a freaking hippo topkek

>>7622407
wdym

>>7622065
>so my advice is just to gradually increase the length of your sessions over time. If 30 mins is all you can do, that's all you can do. Don't worry about it too much.
I see, that's a great idea. I'll try that. That definitely encourages me more. Point is, I need to keep it regular either way and then increase it over time. That's great.

One more thing. You mentioned overlays to the other guy which are a good beginner tip. But that seems to be moreso for digital art (at least from my understanding?), is there any way I can do that with traditional art as well? Unfortunately I don't have a tablet (I used to, but it's in storage and I can't access it for a while and due to a series of misunderstandings I accidentally got a MASSIVE tablet instead of a smaller one, so it's harder to carry around), so for now I can really only work with paper and pencil/pen.

>>7622409
that explains a lot

>>7622407
>a freaking hippo
No anon, unlike the pathetic 3d foid this 2d woman has an actual ass

>>7622405
thanks man. though I dunno, the model's got her shoulders turned inward, so the plane of her back is pretty smooth. I wasn't sure if I should draw the lines for her clavicles. it's hard to draw with line when there are no edges or creases to go off of

>>7622421
increasing the ass is fine, theres no need to make her calves the size of jupiter though

>>7622427
draw us a quick sketch based off that ref

>>7622428
for what purpose?

>>7622423
Now that you said about the shoulder being projected forward(protraction), I should have made the scapulas more separated. Even though it doesn't appear well defined in the model, I think it's good to mark it on the drawing as a form of practice.
>>7622427
yooo those calves are slightly bigger

>>7622377
the flat lighting and airbrushing in these photos make for terrible refs

ngl i think my lineart is pretty shit brehs
its joever

>>7622442
>posts gigakino appealsovl
how hard does your humble-bragging ass want me to suck you off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSbFHHrQK7w
can anyone explain what this fraud FUCK is trying to communicate in this video? I went into it having a fairly good idea of how cubes rotate and how vanishing points slide around but after watching this I'm left more confused

>>7622443
tbf a lot of that is just the colouring, i think i did good work on that. could be improved, but it still looks pretty good. pen pressure really does wonders
its just really hard for me not to do chickenscratch lineart for some reason, where the lines are not wobbly, especially when using a pixel brush

>>7621695
I already did and nobody replied to it dumbass.
>post it again
No, it won't be the same, it wouldn't count.

>>7621690
just shitpost with your art then faggot
or are you a little faggot who just cries about not getting (you)s
do you know where the fuck we are?

>>7622448
very mean-spirited of you to be posting in the beg general. I'm not sure what issue you have with your own lineart, it works well with your rendering. line confidence doesn't matter, choice of brush doesn't matter. you don't need pen pressure, emulate by chickenscratching harder, you do that already in the drawing you've posted. btw die talentrat

>>7622448
peter han dynamic sketching

>>7621690
it is what it is

>>7622249
Your lines are so nice, stuck staring at them. Love it. Esp how you made the outer lines darker and thicker, makes it easy to look at
>>7622175
The left one's face feels so royal, love it
>>7622160
woah. Not good enough at art to say what specifically amazes me, but just know it does
>>7622098
Very interesting pose & angle, everything's very clear while not being boring. Hoping you'll color it
>>7622068
Personally I love the loose shading, feels like the kind of thing a romcom artist love interest would make of the lead when he first sees her

Two busts that were just meant to be warm-ups that I got carried away with (hence the white background)

>>7622263
no
>>7622304
Thank you friend I'm glad
>>7622409
Gorgeous work
>>7622448
Very very cool concepts and execution
>>7622462
Thank you!
>>7622249
Do you want me to shoot you a reference pack for faces and portraits on discord? i think I have one

lord in heaven PLEASE grant me this single concession for once in my miserable life I just want to make a decent drawing after years of misery

>>7622466
>reference pack for faces and portraits on discord
nta but i could use it

>>7622469
https://files.catbox.moe/pyorxv.pdf

>>7622462
>Your lines are so nice, stuck staring at them
>what specifically amazes me, but just know it does
Thanks anon! I appreciate the words!

You're plenty good. I really enjoy your rendering style and the characters are instantly recognizable. Or at least I assume that's Micah.

>>7622466
>>7622475
Thanks Deerfren!

>>7622110
>That's the spirit. The arms are looking much stronger, and that little twist of the wrist is good.
Thanks! I had a feeling I was getting those subtle details right, but at the cost of the larger form unfortunately.
>Where you're failing is in copying accurately. For example, you're still missing the overlap between the head and right shoulder, and because of this, everything else keeps getting harder to match. observe that the farther away you get from the head, the more accurate it gets (fists, elbows, negative shapes).
Gotcha, I'll go ahead and do that. Thank you.
>Then stop, take a breather, and make a key study or note on the same page and then keep going with the drawing.
A key study/note? What do you mean by that exactly? I am not quite as familiar with that term?
>I don't know, I'm not the best person to answer that. I just try to draw every day and do my best with the limited time I have.
That's fair, I'll go ahead with that.
I already did try Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, though I never finished through the book entirely, it might be wiser for me to get back to it.

>>7622466
>Very very cool concepts and execution
danke, been really pushing myself to be as creative with composition as of late. probably a bit incomprehensible though since i'm just blatantly breaking comic comp rules after reading chensoman

>>7622457
damn, this peter han guy really's got it going on. his sketches are real good. danke anon

New thread soon? I promised not to post in this thread.

>>7622530
>page 6
not yet
and let's not have a /jeet/ make the new OP cuz then the same nightmare is going to repeat itself

>>7622462
yes Im gonna color the sleeping goblin girl! notpleased with this version here...went to bold with the colors

Squids

I messed things up but oh well

>>7622563
Why they in squid games

>>7622574
The economy has not been good for everyone :(
Actually just because season 3 :)

whats wrong with this

>>7622585
You know there can only be one winner. Is aiza going to win?

>>7622589
the shoulder goes right into the forearm

>>7622563
They're going to die :)

>>7622592
it doesnt though

>>7622563
Gganbu :D

>Learning
>Go at it for hours at a time, burn out each time
>Try to take friend's advice to limit time drawing to like, 30 min
>Stop at 30 min
>All I can think about for the rest of the day is drawing
Is there a way to stop this? I know you're not supposed to ask "how" questions, but how do you separate yourself from drawing for the day when it's time to?

>>7622591
But there can be more than one surviving

>>7622594
No

>>7622596
:D

>>7622598
I burnt out once and I learnt some things:
Don't draw just because you feel the need to draw.
Don't draw to improve, draw to have fun.
If studies burn you out, study for a max. of 1 hour a day and then do fun drawings.
Draw things you're passionate about. I was not passionate about learning perspective but I am passionate about drawing my favorite characters. So I limited perspective to like 10 mins a week or something.
It's not a race, it's a marathon, remember to have fun. It's supposed to be a hobby to enjoy. Don't put so much pressure on yourself

>>7622602
Thanks for the thoughtful answer, anon! I'll try my best to just keep it simple and about what I enjoy. Maybe I'll stay out of these threads/twitter for a bit, just to avoid comparing.

>>7622603
Godspeed anon

>>7622523
>A key study/note? What do you mean by that exactly? I am not quite as familiar with that term?
Just draw the part you're struggling with on the side of the paper, but bigger, like in this example from Raffaello.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Raffaello,_studio_per_la_madonna_di_pasadena_2.jpg

He was most likely having a hard time with that hand, so he isolated everything else and spent some time just drawing the hand.

Then he went back to the main drawing and continued. Or take his drawing of the little boy (putto) >>7622110 that leg must have given him trouble too.

>>7622616
love this, pretty cool

How do I know if I'm being a howie or if my questions are legitimate? I feel like I have so many questions about how to do (XYZ), and it's hard to tell which ones are important.

>>7622628
Your hand holding a pencil on a piece of paper. That's all that matters you dummy.

>>7620944
I will keep this in mind, thank you

>>7622533
If we wait too long he is going to make a new one again

>>7622656
Do it then
Dont ask me for permission

>>7622641
Imagine the smell

>>7622659
I don't know how to make them collages. I give permission to make a new one.

>>7622663
I dont know either nigga

>>7622666
kek

>>7622663
>>7622659
new: >>7622676

>>7622208
rat

>>7620830
time to move to the US

>>7620383
gay

>>7620379
funny shit wheres the blog

>>7620937
Gato Kyut