No more money for NSFW artists and Indians, you can blame credit card companies again.

>>7620620 (OP)
Well, it's still early but I think this deserves a drink

>>7620620 (OP)
Who even uses fansly

oh. anyway next thread.

>>7620620 (OP)

>>7620620 (OP)
How does this stop pajeets?
Anyways, damn it. I was just going to make aphrodisiac mind control story.

>>7620620 (OP)
Anyone can explain the reason? Do the higher-ups on visa, mastercard, paypal, stripe, etc. suddenly become Born-Again Christian or something?

>>7620620 (OP)
No wonder I'm seeing so many artists that get paid in ETH lately.

>>7620621
>I think this deserves a drink
Coomers and AI niggas btfo.
>>7620624
This is not happening only to fansly, they're not the only ones that partner with visa, mastercard, paypal, etc.
>>7620643
It's either hardcore rightoids like you said or hardcore leftoids like those anti-porn 4th wave feminists that got that r@p3 game banned from steam or the big noses behind DEI policies on hollywood & the video game industry.

>>7620621
>>7620655
I almost forgot to say it but there's also a small chance that the rise of Onlyfans, and Fansly, is a huge fuck you to the trad porn industry so ((they)) wanna get rid of the competition.

>users cannot directly interact with ai
>creators may still use it
What is this even about?

>>7620659
Selling AI slop is ok, selling AI service is not ok.

>>7620620 (OP)
They got the furries too.

Catgirls are still kosher, though.

>>7620620 (OP)
am I supposed to just magically know wtf site you're talking about? No I will not read the other posts, all context should be in the OP and image.

>>7620664
What kind of services even?

>>7620717
any site that uses visa and or mastercard

>>7620728
name three relevant sites

>>7620620 (OP)
>>7620659
>>7620664
>>7620667
>Users cannot directly interact with AI like chatbots or image generators (Users can't do shit then)
>Creators can use AI to create content but only if users don't interact with it and ALL content, consent, docs requirements are met (like that will ever happen lmao)
AI is effectively banned on Fansly because that requirement to use AI tools on the creator side is extremely hard to meet, specially consent.
This ban is extremely weird because it banned all the lucrative niches like
>Furry
>Hypnosis/Mind Control
>Wrestling
They should ban lolis, beast, zoo, vore and freeuse too because that garbage prints money.

>>7620752
I don't know if it's sure enough to bet on yet, but it's going to be hilarious if all the virtue signalers start supporting crypto and NFTs because of this.

>visa and mc still fucking everyone in the ass
>lol we're still not going to use crypto
Smart

>>7620758
>it's going to be hilarious if all the virtue signalers start supporting crypto and NFTs because of this.
You're right, they're gonna short circuit because on one side their morals won't allow them to use crypto & NFT but most artists on social media lean left, but they need money.
>>7620760
They can get fucked, both the cc companies and the clown world artists.

>>7620758
>>7620760
>>7620774
Is this the reason? To make crypto relevant again?

>>7620787
Reason? They just hate porn

I hate these sites that keep complying thinking they'll finally be left alone and then visa/mc adds more bullshit to their clause and it repeats

>>7620787
Probably has something to do with regulations in some market they want to tap. China most likely.

>>7620790
>>7620799
But these sites still have porn?

>>7620774
>their morals won't allow them to use crypto & NFT
There are no morals or principles behind this, it's just social stigma.

>>7620760
You'll just get fucked by someone else in the cryptospace instead. You cant win

>>7620620 (OP)
>uhh chud, did you just put hypnosis mind control scenario and have the female fucked in a non consensual way (in a drawing that you draw yourself)? You know what? R E J E C T E D, your money is rejected you cant get money from this platform, chud.
>We can tolerate tentacle porn, goonsesh, guro, and some other /d/ thing, but mind control? Youre going too far in there chud

>>7620840
>LMAO
It's hilarious how "fictional consent" is a thing.
ink on paper and digital pixels... The world gone mad.

>>7620833
I will even say the “someone else” is the same people banning these degenerate stuff. They always win.

>>7620620 (OP)
>furry is classified as bestiality
lol KWAB this is what you get for rallying against loli so hard you faggots

zoomers and pedo panic 100% caused this, the CCs are just responding to cultural shifts.

>>7620620 (OP)
>studio produced adult wrestling is permitted
>amateur produced wrestling is prohibited
I don't do anything wrestling so I don't have any say in this but this seems unfair to amateurs trying to make a buck.

>>7620620 (OP)
You guys have no idea how great this is, both furfags and AIjeets got screwed at the same time, the world is healing.
Now imagine if some schizo write a python script that scrap furry artists e-mail and report them to Paypal.
Or a chatbot that asks for a paypal e-mail while pretending to be a commissioner then report it to paypal.
I'm not a code monkey so I don't know if that is viable, but chatGPT probably can do it.

>>7620915
Life is unfair.
>>7620956
I don’t get how AIjeet got screwed. They will still sell AI porn on fansly, patreon, and other websites.

>>7620620 (OP)
Artists lost because a judge ruled that training on copyrighted material is legal as long as the training company purchased the material

I hope this leads to E621 to ban all explicit art like how they had to ban non-cub loli/shotas because of CC companies.

>>7620620 (OP)
>nooooooooo you can't just hypnotize a fictional character into consenting using a fictional supernatural power wtf

>>7620620 (OP)
So, what's stopping all these artists from just selling normal, edited/censored versions on the jew platforms, then send all their supporters to a discord where the real versions get posted?

did you even read this?
> Creators may still use AI tools themselves to create content

>>7620655
>hardcore leftoids
ah yes, the famously leftist credit card companies. are you stupid?

I can still post sexy girls and get my money on patreon, this doesnt change shit

Make a thread when something actually happens, like Patreon removing PayPal as a payment option. The consent/hypnosis thing is nothing new.

>>7621230
>paywalling AND discordwalling your content
Too much work + you will get plenty of Patrons who refuse to sign up on Discord (it requires a phone number). Patreon is for supporting the artist and not selling individual drawings. You can get in trouble for content that breaks Patreons rules even if you don't post it there.

>>7621230
That’s what some people do. Yes.

>>7621299
>You can get in trouble for content that breaks Patreons rules even if you don't post it there.
How can they control that though, do their terms say you are not allowed to create anything at all outside of Patreon that would break their rules? What if I post that kinda shit on twitter and not consider it part of the rewards?

At least AFAIK, the artists who have a separate subscriberstar for the risky shit never got in trouble with their patreon side.

>>7620620 (OP)
>Amateur or party wrestling content is prohibited as it may be interpreted as non-consensual activity.
Literally anything can be interpreted as non-consensual activity if you find a dumb enough person, though? "Cooking videos are prohibited as it may be interpreted as advocacy of war crimes".
>It's over for gooners and AI chuds
The new rules don't ban any form of AI other than interactive ones though.

>>7620752
>AI is effectively banned on Fansly because that requirement to use AI tools on the creator side is extremely hard to meet, specially consent.
No it isn't, the OP's image even spells it out for you. If you aren't generating anything that violates the other rules, you're in the clear. (this doesn't help in general though because the other rules seem to ban almost anything other than the most vanilla of vanilla content)

>>7620645
>No wonder I'm seeing so many artists that get paid in ETH lately.
no you aren't, crypto fag. Only in shitholes like here where shitters would shill that bull shit.

>>7620620 (OP)
HAHAHAHA
TOTAL NSFW DEATH

>>7621305
>Patreon is a place where creators can connect with their fans. For the safety of our community, attempts to direct, coerce, lure, or otherwise lead people from Patreon to third party websites or experiences are strictly prohibited unless otherwise stated below. If Patreon determines an account is being used to engage in prohibited off-Patreon activity, we may take action as appropriate to protect our community–this could include penalizing, suspending, or removing violating accounts. Prohibited activities fall into three broad categories: Scams, General Platform Abuse, and Commerce.

>>7621299
>Discord (it requires a phone number
it doesn't, it only requires a phone numbers if the server creator made it that way or set it up that way to avoid spammer or people ban a evading.

>>7620620 (OP)
Just recently Fanza/DMM decide to quarantine all the AI content even though they allow it for 3 years, does AI slop is not as profitable as everyone claiming?

So how exactly does one create a new payment processor that doesn't do all this gay censorship shit? Seems like a massive opening in the market, huge sector not being serviced at all.

>>7621433
USDC is already a thing

>can't draw realistic furry loli wrestling guro non-con drunk hypnosis nsfw content with real people
>meanwhile Paypal is cool with hyper horsecock futas on Patreon as long there is an extra click for age verification
we live in a society

>>7620971
>They will still sell AI porn on fansly, patreon, and other websites.
Yes but they will be banned for breaking their TOS, I'll make sure to report them all.

>>7620980
>as long as the training company purchased the material
But they never do, they scrap art from all over the internet because it's "free" under their legal loophole, that's why AI companies source their data from non profits, that judge just helped Disney and other big companies while fucking over 99% of AI "artists" trying to make money.

>>7620980
>the existence and training/input of LLMs isn't infringing copyright, but if it outputs infringing content, a case can then be brought against that
Disney will win its case against Midjourney, AI chuds lost.

>>7620980
>There is a really big difference between the lawsuits.
>The lawsuit that was just ruled on is about AI companies using copyrighted material to train their AI. The judge ruled that is fair use.
>The Midjourney lawsuit is about AI outputting copyrighted material. That will most like be found to be a violation.
>Another words, the most likely outcome is that AI companies will be able to put pictures of Iron Man into their system to train them, but their system will not be allowed to spit out pictures of Iron Man to their end user.
Now that MIDjourney won't output copyrighted material like flavor of the week animu grill I guess AI niggas will all use open source like Stable Diffusion.

>>7620980
Why are you telling only half of the truth?
They won but they got screwed because they used pirated books on the training...

"A federal judge in San Francisco ruled late on Monday that Anthropic's use of books without permission to train its artificial intelligence system was legal under U.S. copyright law.

Siding with tech companies on a pivotal question for the AI industry, U.S. District Judge William Alsup said Anthropic made "fair use" of books by writers Andrea Bartz, Charles Graeber and Kirk Wallace Johnson to train its Claude large language model.

Alsup also said, however, that Anthropic's copying and storage of more than 7 million pirated books in a "central library" infringed the authors' copyrights and was not fair use. The judge has ordered a trial in December to determine how much Anthropic owes for the infringement."

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/anthropic-wins-key-ruling-ai-authors-copyright-lawsuit-2025-06-24/

>>7621346
>General Platform Abuse
sounds like a catch all excuse to ban anyone they disagree with

>>7620620 (OP)
>Consent for FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
Apophis can't come soon enough.

>>7621230
Nothing, and some people already do that because of Patreon bullshit rules, it's also why so many artists went from Patreon to Subscribstar in the last year or two.
Keep in mind that you just need a single troll to ruin that discord thing and it happened already because Patreon sucks

>>7621252
Stupid anon calling others stupid, classic.
They can use AI but they need to meet bullshit, esoteric requirements that won't be met for most AI dumbasses like you.
Credit card companies aren't left or right, all they care about is money, and right now pandering to the right loses them a lot of money because they don't meet DEI policies needed to get investment from (((them)))
You're just a butthurt leftist that can't accept that you're an useful idiot. kYS

>>7621488
Because it's and they're not the only platform that have vague rules like that.

I mean, for more vanilla nsfw artists... this is fine right? The only group I'd say got ultra fucked are the furries.

>>7621305
>do their terms say you are not allowed to create anything at all outside of Patreon that would break their rules? What if I post that kinda shit on twitter and not consider it part of the rewards?
Yes this is why Slugbox left the site. Patreon's staff started badgering him about art he did of his OC years prior, digging thru his old ass galleries.

Granted, you probably only get fucked by this if some shithead reports it, but the likelihood of that increases as your popularity does. This has happened to artists, comedians, and political pundits alike. It's why people even started looking for alternatives.

>>7621557
It's a combination of Operation Chokepoint/FOSTA-SESTA rules and risk pools. Both of which for some retarded reason ended up lumping ART in with live pornography with actual physical human beings are present who all need to have proper papers and forms set up, and which normies chargeback often. I have a hunch Japan's financial institutions PROPERLY class hentai as artwork, but that's just a guess as I don't speak Japanese.

>>7621433
>>7620760
>>7620833
>>7621312
A lot of artists - particularly furries - are members of high-trust communities, but their weak point is that they rely on third parties' infrastructure. It's foolish, as mainstream institutions can DEMOCRACY the countercultures they have power over into compliance or destruction once a critical mass of the wider culture decides they have had enough and vote to crush them
.
Trustless systems bypass this, but many countercultures are just as conformist as the mainstream and use the same tools - ostracization and the threat of it - to force compliance. They don't like the idea of individuals being empowered and sovereign, as it weakens their own power and threatens to remove their ingroup status's meaning and value.

Dragoneer would have died faster if a better competitor to FA was made.

https://pleromanonx86.wordpress.com/2024/04/11/in-a-long-enough-timeline-every-artist-will-be-forced-to-take-crypto/
https://v1.fwb.help/editorial/on-furries-and-the-limits-of-trustlessness-crypto

>>7621482
Doesnt this whole case just amount to nothing in general? Most companies already got away with training off of everything without paying for it anyway

>>7621697
Rich people always win. Haven’t you learned?

>>7621454
What TOS? It literally says they can still generate AI porn, and sell them.

Total gooner death best day of my life

>>7620752
>AI tools

>>7620643
They are rich, jewish billionaires that invest money in the hedgefunds that own al pornographic companies so they're able to use their influence to prevent their competition from being able to make money while pretending it's a moral guardian thing and think there's nothing you'll be able to do to stop them.

>>7620620 (OP)
It's Mastercard that's primarily behind this with Visa just going along with it. I wonder when Master Card's reckoning will come? I have a friend that used to work for Master Card's call center on the V.I.P. line and she told me their company policy is to enable financial abuse for high priority clients. There was a certain "celebrity" that would call in every day and "check in" on what his wife was spending money on and if she spent it somewhere without asking him first (like Starbucks, or McDonald's) he would start screaming at the phone agent and make them turn her credit card off and put a new password on the account so when the wife inevitably called in later crying because her card wasn't working they'd have to refuse to help her because she didn't know the password. Eventually the husband would call back in and say she "learned her lesson" and tell them to take the password off and turn her card back on. My friend tried to report it to her supervisor a few times saying it was financial abuse and they were obligated to report it to the police but she was told official Master Card policy was not to report crimes that involved their V.I.P. clients.

These are the same people grand standing about you getting to see Hypno Porn.

>>7620620 (OP)
You can't be hypnotized nonconsensually it's physically impossible.

>>7623182
Wait a second, that's a crime? I'd have thought it's just being budget wise

>>7620643
Obscenity laws, don't want the negative press, payment processors don't mind being harsh on gooners because they do a lot of chargebacks

>>7623280
That doesn’t make sense. It still has porn.

>>7623182
That's messed up, if it's not fanfic.

>>7621697
They didn't "already get away", the judge literally said they need to pay up.
>but they already made money
AI is a money pit, they don't make money, they hype up technology and hope someone "invests", driving up the company worth so they can cash out.

>>7621299
>>7621305
They actually seem to not really care about off site content so much anymore as long as you don't directly link from Patreon to twitter for example. They don't seem to care about linking from Twitter to patreon though. Just from their site to whatever problematic material

>>7624427
>They didn't "already get away", the judge literally said they need to pay up.
It's only because they used pirated books.
As long as piracy is not involved, it's all fair game.

At least, according to the judge for that case, in that district court. The EFF has an article that explains relevant points on both it (Bartz) and another one (Kadrey):
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/two-courts-rule-generative-ai-and-fair-use-one-gets-it-right

Precedent is still being built so things are all weird. But the reasoning for Bartz is pretty damn airtight and consistent with other copyright law, while Kadrey is fairly wishy-washy. I would trust the EFF's interests (as they are an interest group) to align with my interests as an artist with regards to the law, given how their whole thing is being a free speech group and artists get fucked by any restrictions on speech/expression.

>>7624450
Like most moderation on huge sites, it's likely reactive and not proactive. Meaning any offenses are dependent on people reporting it. So the more well-known your art becomes OUTSIDE of your niche, the more likely some cunt reports you. Of course that requires the reporter actually know about this rule too, which they might not because that kind of person is more often a moron than someone mentally ill on an obsessive warpath.

>>7624427
>This
AI projects have a low ROI and that's enough for investors to pull out their dick.

First they came for the lolicons, but I did not stand up, for I am not a lolicon.
Then they came for the bronies, and I did not stand up, for I am not a brony.
Then they came for the furries, and there is no one there to stand for us.

>>7621614
The furry community has a bit of a pedo and feral problem but overall their output is mostly adult men having consensual sex, if they can just ban every last one of them outright you're probably next.

They'll argue those anime girls you draw getting plowed are all canonically 16 or 17 and get you next year.

>>7624427
>AI is a money pit, they don't make money
this is the thing that the ainti-AI art people don't understand. OpenAI isn't profitable at even the $200/mo tier. AI is essentially subsidized the same way uber and netflix were subsidized.

eventually aibros will get priced out of their generative ai models. nobody is going to be using them to generate their coombait commissions in 10 years. They'll look back at the 2020s as the only time they could circumvent the art process for personal creations

>>7626423
You made an error here. OpenAI is hated by a big segment of of pro-AI people (including AI artists) because of their, contrary to their name, closed-source nature, anti-accelerationist takes, and shitty UX for generating artwork. I've looked at what they talk about, they mostly use FOSS tools (with a few more braindead ones using MJ). The people using ChatGPT to generate images are typically normies who are using it like a toy.
Your post is the equivalent (in terms of the relation of people making things to companies making tools) of someone saying that "eventually digital artists will get priced out of photoshop" when Adobe went to a subscription model. Regardless of whether or not adobe falls, there are many competitors - including open source ones.
Thus the same with OpenAI.

What am I even supposed to get upset about here?

>>7626476
The fact that the CC companies are demanding even more-bizarre and tenuously-reasoned "rules" put in place to prevent people from being able to perform legal, non-rights-violating transactions where all parties are consenting adults, by pushing those who utilize their services to ban a growing list of ever broader and broader types of non-mainstream content, through penalizing them with heavy - often unsustainable - fee increases if they do not.

Does that explain it?

>>7626448
Not him, but fosstards sperging out about openai has no relevance to the discussion, it's by far the biggest and most popular AI company. Even when talking about image generation, every single trend and uptick in image gen popularity in the past 3 years has been spearheaded by them.
>Your post is the equivalent (in terms of the relation of people making things to companies making tools) of someone saying that "eventually digital artists will get priced out of photoshop" when Adobe went to a subscription model
No idea what they fuck kind of parallel you see there, Adobe earns money from the subs, so they have to sell the subs. OpenAI had like 3 bailouts and just got handed 500 billion fucking dollars in government contracts, plebs are irrelevant to them

>>7626448
>Your post is the equivalent (in terms of the relation of people making things to companies making tools) of someone saying that "eventually digital artists will get priced out of photoshop" when Adobe went to a subscription model
adobe subs are a net gain
openai servicing the general public is a net loss
there's literally no comparison there

>>7626448
You fell for the meme, FOSS is an enthusiast nerd meme, neither normalfags nor corpos give a single fuck. Speaking of Adobe, they literally scrapped top secret government data and are being sued over it and the government still can't be fucked to switch to something else.

>>7626514
>No idea what they fuck kind of parallel you see there
>>7626520
>there's literally no comparison there
The comparison is that digital art is not photoshop. So in the hypothetical where adobe dies, digital art does not die.
If OpenAI dies, AI art does not die.

That's all.
>>7626514
>Even when talking about image generation, every single trend and uptick in image gen popularity in the past 3 years has been spearheaded by them.
That's mostly from normies utilizing it to make their pfp look like ghibli style or other nonsense.

The post I replied to stated:
>eventually aibros will get priced out of their generative ai models. nobody is going to be using them to generate their coombait commissions in 10 years
This only would make sense if they were indeed using commercially-served AI services like OpenAI, but they're not.

>>7626528
>FOSS is an enthusiast nerd meme, neither normalfags nor corpos give a single fuck
Has no relation to what is being said when most corporations (via ad agencies and such) using shitty AI art in their products are obviously having shit made via StableDiffusion primarily and the occasional 50IQ company using Midjourney.

I don't know why you guys even bothered replying, all I said was
>If OpenAI runs out of money AI art still is going to keep existing
If you hate it, that's just being an ostrich. If you like it, it's probably a relief. Either way, I don't see a point to denying clear reality.

Nothing will ever happen. AI will get getting better and stronger and people are going to be AI artists.

>>7626558
Your second sentence contradicted your first, rajesh.

>>7626550
Retard.

>>7623173
THIS

THIS

THIS

>>7623173
/thread
fictional porn even at its most degenerate causes less harm than real one and is superior in every single possible way

>>7620643
Rich people kept getting caught by their wife buying porn, so they started complaining to the credit cards company and checking if it was a mistake or something and demanding explaination.

>>7626550
>If OpenAI dies, AI art does not die.
it won't die, it just becomes the tool for disney or pixar to contract out at for $400MM/yr. the average gooner is never getting this much access to sophisticated neural networks trained on large image libraries for free ever again

>This only would make sense if they were indeed using commercially-served AI services like OpenAI, but they're not.
are any of the gen AI companies profitable?

>>7627265
Stable Diffusion is literally free software, in the Linux sense not the Fortnite sense. The gooner models are maintained by legions of autists who hand-tag shit. No large company is doing that besides maybe novelAI, but I'm not aware of many people using that now that there's SO MUCH other shit out there.

Profit doesn't come into it at this point, it's already absorbed into a segment of culture where people do this out of passion.
>it just becomes the tool for disney or pixar to contract out at for $400MM/yr
They would be using their own inhouse shit, probably derived from SD or a similar open-source model, purpose-built for their intended uses. Just like they do with other software. Nobody uses ChatGPT's image gen for professional shit besides retards, it has no fine control. The big media corps aren't paying for it anyway, it's mostly researchers and certain non-media businesses who deal with the big fuck models, and it's for the LLM portion not the image gen.