Thread 7621610

Only SOUL allowed itt. And to kick it off, a fragment of Colleen Barry's commencement speech at Lyme Academy denouncing soulless art:

>“The problem with the Marxist approaches that now permeate academe (via post structuralism and the Frankfurt school) is that Marxism sees nothing beyond society. Marxism lacks a metaphysics – that is, an investigation of man’s relationship to the universe, including nature. Because it does not perceive a spiritual dimension of life, Marxism reflexively reduces art to ideology, as if the art object has no other purpose or meaning beyond the economic or political. Students are now taught to look skeptically at art for flaws, biases, omissions, and covert power plays. To admire and honor art, except when it conveys politically correct messages, is regarded as naïve and reactionary.”

>>7621367
>Not oil on wood, canvas board as in the thin canvas material on plastic rigid planks you can get at Michaels.
Canvas boards can be made of cardboard, plastic, or wood (masonite/hardboard). The more expensive ones are wood, the cheapo ones at daiso or dollar tree are cardboard.

Last bread: >>7605708

>go to artschool
>They tell me im too shy to be an artist
Fuckers. I just wanted to paint.

>>7621644
Then why aren't you becoming a painter instead of becoming an artist? What's the problem here?
Also, post your paintings.

>>7621644
Then go to your local community art classes or nearby painter clubs? Art school is not for people who want to paint, it's for people who are naiive doormats, low-IQ ladder-climbers, and socially-presentable schizophrenics.

Havent painted in weeks. Have to go back to my real job, its still trad and kinda art, but everything besides oil, feel like illustration to me at this point.
>>7621610 (OP)
>Marxist approach
Social realism has 10 times more soul, then commercial postmodernism, she is producing. This old woman is delusional. Producing slop for market is peak soulessness.

>>7621651
I don't care if she eats babies and fucks dog corpses. The statement is correct.

>>7621662
She is part of the problem, her opinion is irrelevant, John.

This post from another thread got me thinkin
>>7619690
>>He hated painting, though, and considered it a woman's art
>He said that about OIL painting specifically, not painting. Someone prepped a wall for oil in an effort to get him to use oil over tempera and Michelangelo lost his shit, cut all ties with the guy, tore the whole thing down and had it prepped for tempera instead. People combine the incident with the poem where says he's not a painter (meaning he was in unfamiliar territory and struggling to get the job done) and turn into disdain for painting, which was never true. He just saw oil as beneath him, a medium for women and the feebleminded.
If Michelangelo, in the media-transitionary age he lived in, looked down on oil because he believed tempera to be superior... Does that mirror how nowaways a lot of oil painters look down on acrylics? Might at some point the zeitgeist flip again, and the fast-drying medium be in fashion? Oooor do oils have enough inertia that everything will be on an even playing field?

Or does this not matter due to accelerating cultural fragmentation?

>>7621673
I don't even know who she is, I don't follow elite shitheads. Institutions lost the bulk of my trust years ago and are quickly burning away the remnants.
It could have been said by Stalin for all I care. The statement in isolation is correct regardless of - and in this case, DESPITE - the identity of the speaker.

If she's a cunt then just don't include her name with the quote or reword it or something.

>>7621683
Its stupid in any way. All the "Marxism" is fake. Its the same with capitalism critic in Disney movies. Its just a facade.
Read a book or something, maybe then you will be less impressed by a word salad, posted by a basic bitch on her social media.

>>7621610 (OP)
You have a link to the full speech? Would be interested to listen to it or read it fully.

>>7621692
It's correct, just flowery

>Marxist-lineage ideologies are purely focused on the material, rejecting all other things as "idealism"
>sees all action as being a part of social relations and class interests, including art. Thus the "all art is political" line often trotted out
>adherents call everything that isn't seen as consciously advancing a "proletarian" revolutionary agenda, or which cannot be appropriated to do so, as inherently coming from and supporting the status quo
>adherents become agitated if someone rejects said agenda and call them reactionary or lacking in class consciousness

inb4 someone gets mad that I still reject this worldview despite having correctly identified and described how it works.

>>7621651
this is the wrong place for any sort of nuance but here goes.
you're right that social realism has a soul that this woman is dismissing but the marxist, post-structuralist approach when adopted as the only lens permitted (as often happens in academia) does lead to a certain soullessness. If everything must be mediated by power and society, if everything must be a commentary that aligns with normatives about what is politically good, what about the facets of life that are inevitably pre-political?
Marxism is not intended as an end-to-end philosophy stretching from first principles ontology all the way to the appropriate amount of salt in salted pork. It is a lens for history and society and the material conditions that give way to it, which very significantly touches art, but doesn't limit it the way many modern fine art theorists assert.
You see this in lefty zealots for which there is no such thing as a private meaning relationship, with the self or with nature or with images, all is public, all must conform to the norm, all encodes a critiqueable worldview that must be brought up to raise the proletariat and condemnd the burgeoisise. It is exhausting and leads to boring overwrought art like miku binder thomas jefferson, vague collections of right-minded pointers with no actual meaning.

>>7621704
it's available on the free tier of her Patreon, I've shared it here for those who don't want to bother signing up:

justpaste dot it/eiy8t

>>7621675
Read Bourdieu's Distinction. Artists, by making such statements, place themselves at a certain position in the cultural field. Self image and reflection and presentation are important for an artist and have always been important. Even more so in hour globalized age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)
This is a good starter and I think every artist or art-adjacent person should read it.

>>7621723
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)
I did a quick skim of the summary and the result I have is:
I don't... really care. I am more in line with landian accelerationism, cypherpunk ideals and ancap ethics. Globalization leads to rapid evolution and I both enjoy and encourage this, it makes life all the more interesting and reduces the power of institutions.

Plus cultures already shift within 50 years to the point of people arguing over what some author or artist "really meant", from lacking the context to understand what mode of thinking he was in at the time. The 19-fucking-70s are an alien world to many people today.

>>7621737
>I did a quick skim of the summary
So you didn't read it. Reading a few sentences of summary is not reading it and it does not qualify you for talking about it. Read it.

>>7621707
Since when is this the doctrine of Academia? Idk, maybe in America it is.
Marxism is not very popular in this days between lefties, identity politic is and its not about the working class at all. Its about sodomy and perversions of the elites.
>>7621711
What art are you talking about?
If you would as the working class, what kind of art they like they would name Bouguereau or Rockwell, not Coleen Barry.

>>7621769
>If you would as the working class, what kind of art they like they would name Bouguereau or Rockwell, not Coleen Barry.
Ah, you're actually retarded, my bad

>>7621769
Don't you think you sound a bit unhinged and too defensive about all of this? It's just one sentence out of a speech of some oil painter. Her main point was she values spiritual and religious themes of painting and that it isn't valued in the art scene and academic art circles much. You can still disagree and paint non-religious paintings, relax dude.

we gotta get rid of this OP and find one who just wants to post pretty pictures

OP, post your work.

>>7621745
>Bourdieu embraces prime elements of conflict theory like Marx. Social struggle also occurs within fields hierarchically nested under the economic antagonisms between social classes. The conflicts which take place in each social field have specific characteristics arising from those fields and that involve many social relationships which are not economic.
Yea nah, I'm good without having to waste my time reading authoritarian nonsense. Groups don't actually exist as entities.

>>7621826
please refer to >>7621745

>>7621831
>Read this
>No I won't tell you why besides some vague statements ("certain position in the cultural field" "basic human things are important" lol)
>No you can't decline to read it based on the summary in the link I shared or researching the author's philosophy!!
For your blathering about presentation and self-reflection you surely don't take your own advice.

>>7621816
as you wish. Busy painting lemons, trying to work color while at the same time maintaining form

>>7621809
what about spooky pictures?

>>7621842
fuck me

>>7621675
Nah, acrylics don't bring anything new to the table, a better comparison would be digital.

>>7621858
My assumption was that it had to do with the drying speed and workflow. Egg tempera and acrylics both dry relatively quick and are not rewettable, which are qualities that contrast them with oil and watercolor/gouache.

>>7621675
Didnt he just mean oil could be reworked easily while with sculpting and tempera ur fucked if you dont plan everything correctly

>>7621868
Watercolor and gouache are fast drying too. Regardless, Michelangelo's issue with oil was, as I understand it, the forgiving nature of the medium making it accessible to midwits, not taking too long to dry. In fact, iirc Michelangelo only sued oil as a medium once as tempera grass because he ran out of time and couldn't afford the more laborious process of pure egg tempera.
That's why I said digital is the better modern comparison, acrylics are just an objectively shittier version of traditional mediums.

>>7621891
used, grassa etc
it's late

wanted to post a 12mb version of this but cant

>>7621878
>>7621891
Yea I wasn't quite clear, I meant the slow drying = forgiving nature, not it being annoying due to the slow speed. Acrylics and tempera are both not very forgiving in this sense, that's really just the comparison I was making.

It's just interesting to me in that the common reason nowadays that you hear people parrot for esteeming oils over acrylics is because of the forgiving nature of it for on-canvas blending and similar techniques. Whereas Mikey just went "woman medium. git gud fucker."

Oils

What the hell. I read somewhere that you shouldn't use acrylic paint mixed with water. But it turns out it doesn't look terrible at all. I guess I can finally make sketches at work without hating myself! What a wonderful day this is, /ic/!

>>7621997
Whoever told you that is a liar. Or you misunderstood some of the advice.
The "ideal" is deionized water, followed by distilled, then reverse-osmosis. But tap water works and most people use that. You'd have to have some really weird rancid well water for your tap water to fuck up your acrylic paint.

If you use water however it WILL be different from using medium, in that it will shrink more as it dries and the film will be weaker/thinner. It may crack more easily due to this. Depending on what you are doing you may prefer some amount of medium (fluid or airbrush medium if trying to make it thinner) and water. But acrylic paint is already like 30% water to begin with.

>>7622017
I might've just misremembered it because it was a long while ago that I last looked into acrylic tutorials. Discovering something "on your own" is nice, though. It truly elevated my day. I'm beginning to appreciate the medium a bit more now. Since I can't oil paint at work I'm somewhat forced to use a fast drying paint. So acrylic paint it is. And now my sketches will be even better. I can finally enter my grotesque gore arc but with paint this time!

>>7621675
Acrylics change value inconsistently as they dry. Very very difficult to nail value relationships.

>>7622221
That's what I noticed as well. It will take a bit of trial and error to get used to it. But it's 100 times better now than the shit I painted before mixing it with water. It's definitely easier now to quickly sketch things. I can paint them with oil properly later.
Although I might make some larger acrylic paintings with simpler and more abstract things. Maybe. We'll see. My main goal is still oil rn.

>>7622221
Egg Tempera and Gouache also have drying shift. This isn't something unique to acrylics (and some claim to have very little... don't know how true that is), it's moreso that oils are special in that they don't.
Anything that uses water or a large amount of solvents physically shrinks as it dries and pulls the pigment particles closer together. Oils have little to none, especially very fat layers. The oil itself just polymerizes, freezing the pigments within the matrix.

>>7621644
traced, just like Vermeer

>>7622243
>Anything that uses water or a large amount of solvents physically shrinks as it dries and pulls the pigment particles closer together
I don't know about acrylics, but it's not about that with watercolor and gouache, the more matt a paint dries, the more it shifts. You can get around this by adding gum arabic, honey, glossy medium etc, even just adding a layer of gum arabic or acrylic medium over the dry paint will roll back the drying shift, but at that point you might as well just use oils, nobody wants shiny watercolors/gouache.

something that I draw over the past several days to figure out rough paper texture characteristic. Lots of mistake of course since I used to draw in vellum and bristol for graphite and the difference between those papers to this one is big. Rough paper, much like kraft, are more suitable for charcoal and ink

>>7621997
>>7622228
Just for reference, here is what yesterday's painting looks like. I was beginning to doubt I had any artistic ability in me left.

Guys, i want to run a little experiment.
I created a new account with a different name. And i want to go full sell out with it. I want to see, what would happen if i give up all of my artistic dignity and do stuff only for the money. Im really curious if it even will make any difference or not.
I dont want to do anything illegal, though, and i dont want to use any ai, i frankly hate it. Maybe i will use text ai, to write descriptions. I mean i would have to lie anyway.
Whats the best way to do it? I thought about abstract art or very abstract figurative art or both. I think i could produce a decent paintin in this styli in a couple of hours.

P.S. i have a quite nihilistic prediction for my experiment. I think it will not matter at all. I always thought "I cant sell art cos of my artistic integrity, its cos i refuse to be a sell out"
But i think if i try it as hard as possible to be a sell out, it will not work anyway.

Pic related is not my art, but i want to make something similar.

>>7621980
Brian is the best amongst here. Uhh… who is Victor L?
I thought that was Brian’s work. Is that person a copycat of Brian’s style?
I’m just a beginner dabbling in acrylic.

>>7621711
>post-structuralist
what is post-structuralism?

What are the best /trad/ schools in the world? I think top of my list:

- Russian state academy
- GCA
- Lyme

I think that's about it. There's other ateliers, but if I look at the work of their students/instructors, there's just way more flaws than I see in the three I listed. ARC certification doesn't mean anything, just that they copy casts. The detroit atelier has ARC certification and their stuff is... /int/ at best.

>>7622360
I like that painting.
>Whats the best way to do it? I thought about abstract art or very abstract figurative art or both. I think i could produce a decent paintin in this styli in a couple of hours.
Abstract supposedly sells a bit better, but your biggest problem is always going to be how to:
1. Gain interest (views on social media, shop visits)
2. Convert the interest into purchases.
In th

>>7622360
I like that painting.
>Whats the best way to do it? I thought about abstract art or very abstract figurative art or both. I think i could produce a decent paintin in this styli in a couple of hours.
Abstract supposedly sells a bit better, but your biggest problem is always going to be how to:
1. Gain interest (views on social media, shop visits)
2. Convert the interest into purchases.
In the end, it's no different from selling anything else. If there was an easy way to do it, everyone would already be doing it. What you should ask yourself is who is your target audience and how to best get to them.

>>7622398
Just a different signature, my middle name is Victor I find it easier to change art styles subconsciously if my signature is different. I’ve been signing the paintings first lately and then working off that as the start. Handwriting and words have styles too so it’s helpful as an anchor

>>7622463
What about courses? Where am I even supposed to go as a western Europoor

>>7622541
The internet? Outside? Idk. Be a “nature is my teacher” self taught fart huffer that’s what I did when I was learning with no money for an education

>>7622318
>the more matte it dries the more it shifts
This is a separate consideration from the water content. Even glossy acrylic will shift because of the water evaporation, it will just be less, and in a bit of a different way, from matte acrylics. It's simply a thing you can get a feel for with practice.

>>7622360
Managing your social media presence and marketing your art is a completely different skillset from just making art. Marketing is how you serve your desired customer and aim to reach your ideal clients - the people who would continuously support you. Its likely nothing to do with "selling out" or not, the most is you might see faster early growth as you know a bit of what is dumb already. Like how in attempting abstracts, you're starting better than a total noob already.
>>7622463
Picking a living artist whose work you love (and who has experience with teaching, importantly!) and paying him thousands of dollars a month, or hundreds per session, to personally tutor you.

>>7622551
I guess thats the only option. I always found it to be difficult to be both a student and my own critic/teacher though. So many blind spots.

>>7622458
Post structuralism is, in few words, an analytical lens that rejects meaning as a stable thing, but rather as contingent on constantly changing structures like language and power. Structuralism believes that the underlying structures are somewhat steady and universal, whereas post-structuralism holds those foundations are on shifting sands.
"Death of the Author" is post-structuralist. Art doesn't have a meaning that the author put in there (like putting cookies in a tin) and that we then extract by engaging with the work, but rather the meaning of the art is something that is created at the moment of interaction and that can take basically infinite shapes in different contexts.
A good example is the Mona Lisa, which has always been a remarkable demonstration of sfumato, but not that much more, until the past couple centuries when it was imbued with extremes mystery and prestige from its famous thefts and consequent cultural replications and speculation. The meaning we get from viewing it goes beyond anything Leonardo could have 'put' into it.
There's truth to post-structuralism, but I believe there are some perennial and universal things we can tap into through things introspection, contact with nature, mystical experiences, sexual love, and art.

>>7622587
ntayrt
imo post-structuralism is really broad to the point of it saying very little when someone brings it up. Discourse gets a bit poisoned by the word, because if someone describes their own art with it as a marketing tactic or out of ignorance, this then leads others to critique this massive concept. When what they really are taking issue with are more specific things like social constructionist blathering.

>>7622615
Yeah, 'post structuralist art' is nonsensical, post structuralism is a way to look at art, rather than a way of making art. Like if you as the artist are somehow embedding post structuralism into the work, post structuralist analysis would destabilize that embedding. I suppose a hyper-conceptualist turbowanker could find some way to turn that into an artist statement that draws oohs and aahs from rich urbanites, but it wouldn't be very interesting beyond that circularity. Metacommentary of that sort is kind of overdone imo.
I think it's still meaningful, but yeah, 'social construct' is a very, very poisoned well. I think most people aren't really able to articulate what a social construct means or implies conceptually (i.e. both proponents and opponents think 'social construct' means something is 'fake').

>>7622638
A lot of people understand it implicitly. This causes conflict because if someone believes reality is socially-constructed then it means they see all interactions as a struggle for dominance of narratives, which is why such people act like underdogs when they don't have power and then tyrants when they do - under this view, narratives act as tribes, and critique thus is an attack. Such people see it as justified to critique in ways that advance their own narratives and unjustified when it advances others, with no real way to decide truth or correctness besides that. It's a very very faulty viewpoint that doesn't really claim everything is "fake" but that "truth" is conditional on power.

Well, abstraction was a dumb idea. It does not play into my strengths. Wasted the whole day finding out.
I think abstract figurative is the way to go. My brain just cant paint nothing.
>>7622473
> who is your target audience
I have created a new account, I have no audience.
I mean, being a sell out is to go the other direction, you try to give the audience what they want. You try to please a demand instead of creating one. No?
>>7622552
> the people who would continuously support you
So you need art patrons?

>>7622660
>art patrons
Basically yes, that is anyone who regularly buys your work, regularly commissions you, or just keeps dumping a fat stack into your substar/patreon/etc each month regardless of what you post, not like the old aristocrats who kept artists as pets or the churches who basically had them on retainer.
Nowadays it's people who genuinely like your work and see the enjoyment they get out of it as worth funding you to keep making the things they like. The ideal client is one who has money and whose tastes vibe with you on a heavy overlapping level.

>>7622670
>>7622670
So they just give me money, and they aren't sick perverts, who wants to fuck a fat, sweaty dude?
But anyway, you cant really target such people, its pure luck getting a sponsor.
The only thing that can help with that is more visibility, trough social media for example.

>>7622642
Thing is anon, those narrative power struggles are there whether we theorize them or not. Remaining ignorant about them may feel like you're in a more cordial or 'objective' mode, but really you're feeling concord because interlocutors submitted to one form in the narrative power struggle. A power structure is still there, it just need not be actively exercised when the parts are playing by its rules.
I think there truth that transcends power (I think the unifying thread of that truth is somewhere in body sensations and embodied cognition), I'm just not sure people can fully transcend sociocultural power when structuring that truth into symbols like language.

>>7622524
> I’ve been signing the paintings first
Are you retarded? (Not a joke question.)

>>7622682
Brian is retarded.
Brian makes a lot of money with his paintings and that has to be respected.
We love Brian here.

>>7622681
Wouldn’t that just prioritize one over another, meaning there’s one image it should be objectively. So if a cloud looks like a rabbit or a hammer but everyone says it looks more like a rabbit, even if it looks like both, why not just actually make it a rabbit without that arbitrary ambiguity. Or is the argument that everyone will always see multiple things in everything

>>7622686
Yeah the argument is that there will be almost always divergent interpetations of any percept and that those perceptions will be structured by cultural norms and structures of power.
Like, maybe in a society where manual labor is valorized, people are more likely to see a hammer, because they're primed to think of tools and crafts. And the valorization of manual labor might come from a longstanding government initiative to industrialize or expand manufacturing.
That is a very rough and straightforward example, and usually the causal lines between power and interpretation are blurry, if they are at all intelligible.
If the society changes, what 'most people see' might change.
So the cloud is neither a rabbit or a hammer, it is simply a percept waiting for contextualized people to come an make meaning relations out of it.
Think of furries, whose aesthetic and sexual preferences are shaped by the anthropomorphic animals of cartoons enabled by mass media in the 20th century. Those anthropomorphic animals were not just inert art, but were used to communicate political propaganda, sell toys, and advertise things like fast food. The meaning relation of the furry is influenced by the economic and power structures of 20th century media.

>>7622670
Look into government grants, generally they have a budget to stimulate the arts, my city also has large studio spaces they give out based on some criteria I'm not sure of (to use as personal studio, not own, though).
Though I'm assuming you have to create something of cultural significance, not pictures of assholes and """""abstract figurative"""""

>>7622695
> something of cultural significance
Show me an example of something cultural significant.

>>7622700
I'm not gonna play retard semantics, look up your local grants or don't, I don't give a fuck, I just replied in case someone's not aware that's a thing.

>>7622675
>So they just give me money, and they aren't sick perverts
Correct. The enjoyment they get is from your art.
>you cant really target such people
You can. You just can't really do so disingenuously.
>The only thing that can help with that is more visibility
The internet significantly accelerates the speed at which you can broadcast your work so that it reaches the kinds of people who would like it, yes. It's a big reason why being an independent artist has never been more viable in all of human history.

>>7622681
My take is that truth exists but it is extremely rare for any human to have 100% fully accurate truth. We just have degree of truth, some are closer to or farther from it. The issue comes about when people attach themselves, ego and identity-wise, to narratives, groups and ideas without regard for truthseeking. This is not an intrinsic phenomena and over time I think that the cycle of cultural and subcultural rise-collapse-renewal (outlined in ibn khaldun's muqaddimah) will just continue to accelerate.
I am more interested in peoples' actions and how they self-sort, taking a meta-view and critiquing the social games, than I am participating in them. If I choose to it's with the full acknowledgement that I'm just fucking around. But most of the time I act as a metaphorical "social lovecraftian monster" due to my default of sitting comfortably outside the scope of assumed "social reality." This makes me basically untouchable due not existing in the same "ruleset", but if someone tries to annoy me I can amuse myself by actively deconstructing the whole game and their motives in doing so. Which often sends them into an unhinged meltie. It's entertaining.

>>7622686
>>7622694
There's the thing the artist intended, but that's rarely static over the course of the making of the art. A lot of people delude themselves into it being so. Human memories + perceptions are faulty too, so if you ask what it is, he may answer differently at different points.

>>7622695
>>7622700
>>7622705
Local grants are often for nepo babies or cronyism. They're a tiny percentage of the art world, are unsustainable, and while you may get some clout for having been involved you are also, like any government funding, subject to the whims of bureaucrats and can have it ripped away at any time.

If you're going the government route, it's easier to get such money by just looking into what general social welfare policies exist for your area and use that to have time to make your work til you break into a better situation. Less likelihood to get it taken away due to personal politics. It's how a lot of 20th century "starving artists" were able to paint while seemingly having no job or rich buddy keeping them afloat. Of both the visual and musical variety.

>>7622705
What are you talking about? Just show me what you mean, by cultural significant. A black lesbian woman painted with period blood?

>>7622711
I like your take but this:
>I am more interested in peoples' actions and how they self-sort, taking a meta-view and critiquing the social games, than I am participating in them.
There's no real way not to play the game (for people who live in civilization anyway, if you're on the internet, you count). Even supposedly choosing not to play is a move in the game. Often the people most assured of themselves of being above the game find themselves deeply mired in it, or worse, beneath it.
The interactions with 'ruleset' you speak of IS the game. It's a game where we play by making and breaking rules. Trying to exist outside of any rules is playing the game as fully as anyone can. Just by expressing your approach to the game, you've availed yourself of many of its rules for expressing meaning.

>>7622714
Yeah, sounds like cope. While undoubtedly nepotism is a factor, the painters using the studios are public and definitely not nepo hacks. I was also active in the amateur film scene and I know complete randos were getting large sums of money based on script alone. You can steal some of the money, you can't steal all of the money.
>can have it ripped away at any time
Goes for patrons too, and nobody said to do one or the other.

>>7622721
>mutt
>confused by culture
Pottery

>>7622728
Fuck off fed poster.

>>7622725
While that's technically true, I'm most often interacting with people who have no real power over me and thus their threats are meaningless. I lose very little and only interact if I choose to do so. I take a stance more of one that accepts conflicting ideas can coexist as long as they're subjective ones (like "how a piece of art makes an individual feel"), with it being more of a good thing to accelerate the evolution of conflicting ideas which are rooted in OBjective reality through egoless discourse.

I suppose the thing is moreso that I don't see most interactions as anything with "stakes" or where "winning" within the scope presented by the (often opposing) participants in a conflict matters to me.

If you see the image as a zombified cat, and I see the image as a particle cannon, then there's no real conflict here unless someone else attempts to convince or coerce me into affirmatively expressing the lie that I see the cat or refrain from expressing that I see the particle cannon. At which point I can either just ignore them (because they don't actually have the ability to affect me, their attempts are futile) or have no compunctions against kicking their narrative's house down. I won't do the same in kind to them, of course. And this is different from trying to share their experience in the hopes that I may also see the cat.

>>7622728
>Goes for patrons too, and nobody said to do one or the other.
It's easier to talk to an individual than a system should problems occur. Putting all your eggs in one basket was always a problem though, yes.

>>7622737
This sounds just as ego-driven as any attempt to coerce others. What's at stake your narrative posture of detachment. You're still going out of your way to evaluate the power relation you have with other interlocutors, you win insofar as you preserve this self-relation to your stipulated attitude. Or to put it another way, you stake the very notion of having no stakes in the conversation. The other 'wins' (or rather, makes you lose) if they get you to care about it any more than you yourself want to care.
Your ego's win condition might be different, but you still have one. You would not go out of your way to engage without the ego being driven by some need.

oh sweet, a pseud yap thread

What the fuck is even going on here? Are we being raided? Is this AIs posting to discourage trad posters?

>>7622745
My guess is that it's probably to do with being autistic and just fundamentally percieving things differently.
>driven by some need
Usually this is just truthseeking. This evolved as an adaptation from learning how my approach to conversations differs from others, and finding their reasonings (typically the topic is just a catalyst, the real thing is status jockeying or finding excuses to express care, reinforce unity/solidarity or similar emotional/social acts.)

>>7622763
Is it really so surprising that trad artists are interested in philosophy? The amount of work put into any singular piece, waiting for things to dry, sharpening pencils... lots of time for introspection and looking up things based on that introspection.

>>7622763
two retards jerking each other off in every single thread and trying to "discuss" some literallywho's twitter posts, threads went from being on life support for months to discord simulator

discussing twitter posts should be a bannable offense anywhere on this forum

>>7622660
>I mean, being a sell out is to go the other direction, you try to give the audience what they want. You try to please a demand instead of creating one. No?
Sure, but my point is that, if you want to please an audience, you should know who that audience is, at least in general. It's the general marketing advice to figure out who exactly your client is, and how you can get to them. If you just start making stuff first and only then consider who you're going to sell it to, you're doing it backwards.

I bet one of these two (if not both) is Brian

>>7622835
One's Brian, the other's the guy that tried to steer the thread towards art history discussion with the gay op with the pastebin a while back

>>7621737
I also went through land and somehow worked my way backwards. The ideas make a lot more sense in the non-chronological order. If you ever feel bored, give it a try

>>7622541
Any workshop/course recommendations in western Europe?

>>7622968
> in western Europe
Art is haram!

>>7622840
I am neither of those two people. Brian's work is also, on top of it, not to my taste.

>>7622968
if you don't know then you don't need to know.
Now seriously, all major painters regularly do workshops in Europe throughout the year. If you're not hearing about them, it means you don't really care about art. All the big GCA, Lyme Academy and even Repin Acad stars tour Europe in the summer doing workshops all over.

I'm not gonna bother listing all, you should do some research, but the Porto Atelier has Loginov, Rosemary Brushes peeps have tons of awesome guests, Barcelona Academy has has Patrick Byrne, there's a small academy in Seville (Red Room?) with awesome guests, the Dutch Atelier of Realist Art, some other Atelier in Vienna. Florence is crawling with good people, there's a big event in Menorca somewhere, there's awesome workshops in France.

Again, if you don't know, then you don't deserve to know.

>>7623005
>Again, if you don't know, then you don't deserve to know.
What if such a person wants to pay for instruction on these skills but has no interest in contributing to or participating in the lifestyles of these institutions?

>>7623009
well then fuck off, I'm not here to spoonfeed you

>>7623010
>he filled out a captcha just to post that
Anon...

>99 posts
>15 images

>>7622735
How is he a fed poster? That usually implies he's fishing for info or encouraging boogaloo.

>>7623014
Yeah, I'll start posting my /beg/ shit if this doesn't correct itself.

>>7623020
/beg/s didn't do anything to deserve that, brian

>>7623025
That makes no sense. I'm not Brian and they're my images I'll be inflicting on you.
Here's a taste. Post good shit or I'll post more. No one wants that.

My newly found knowledge is making me very powerful
(not yet done but I already like this sketch)

>>7623030
BLOG!?

>>7623035
A you asking if I'm an anon who's been blogposting? I haven't been.
Are you asking me to? I think we want that less than my art.

I had fun with this acrylic sketch. Next up are some actual studies of related subjects though.

>>7623121
Very cultural relevant.

Pencil study of ingres

>>7623005
No need to sperg out moron

>>7621610 (OP)
thanks for dropping that quote op, it resulted in me doing a lil deep dive into Nietzsche's thoughts on 'the last man' and how this parallels the Marxist lens through which our society views a lot of things these days.

Really puts eloquently what so many feel at their core, spiritual death runs rampant. Not in a 'muh Jesus loves me kind of way, that's retarded, but in the fact that a lot of our art doesn't strive for higher meaning. If art is only valuable as political commentary, and awe or admiration are dismissed as "naive," we edge toward a sterile, flattened culture, one devoid of mystery, transcendence, or spiritual hunger.

Painting of a factory

>>7623777
I like it a lot

>>7623777
I see a woman lying in an iron lung on a white bed

>>7623570
ingres would unironically get an aneurism if he saw that

>colleen barry
I'm so tired of this faggot shilling this postmodernist whore

>>7623819
Can't unsee

>>7623494
Elaborate

>>7624083
Its unironically her faggot hubby John.

>>7624624
lol I'm the OP and I can guarantee you I'm not Will St John, just a random faggot. Not saying he's not around, but I've been shilling Colleen a lot because she's a good example of what I struggle with (staying true to yourself but poor vs selling out to globohomo and getting $$$).

>>7622398

Fuck off Cumbum, don't pretend you're new here. Your art is still the same old awful shit btw, just like Brian's.

After painting in oil for years, i wanted to go back to water mediums for a while. But i only have my place with the easel and a table, with oil color smears everywhere, not suitable to lay paper on.
And i have a little drawing desk for my monitor and drawing tablet.
Do you guys have an dedicated place for paper mediums that cant come in contact with oils?
Good drawing tables are really expensive and my health insurance wants 5k from me, so no spear money in the next months for me anyway.

>>7624688
I've been thinking about getting a drawing board. One day...

>>7624688
>oil color smears everywhere
Why are so many other trad artists filthy and disgusting? This seems irrespective of medium and location. I've seen people talk about like, habits of wiping paint on their pants or just randomly finding paint on their clothes when someone else points it out. I have no clue how the fuck someone even deems "wipe paint on my pants teehee" to be even an option.

I set everything up nicely and carefully so everything is in its proper place. If I get fucking paint or ink on my FINGERS I, as soon as is practical, stop to go wash my hands. I keep my brushes very clean and tidy and I don't fling the tool around like an animal.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>7624708
>>7624688
Both of you: Post your work. This will be interesting.

>>7624710
I have seen other artists who are very good and very clean and very good and very dirty, as well as terrible for either. It's not a matter of skill level. I legitimately do not understand the headspace someone would be in to view getting paint everywhere as acceptable and any time I've asked someone they just brush it off.
The ironic part is my living space is a disorganized mess but there's no splatters or drips anywhere. Any time something spills I clean it up ASAP so it doesn't get embedded in/on what it landed on.

>>7624715
Please post your work so we can have a nice anecdotal field study on artists' habits and their resulting work.

>>7624718
Nah, how about you actually do some introspection before posting and try to have a conversation about technique, habits and materials instead of trying to bait out a personal attack?
How about, you know, maybe ask me "why" I do certain things if you find my way of thinking so different?
I already did clarify that plenty of pretty good artists are messy, but plenty are clean, as well as low quality ones being messy or clean as well. It's not related to skill level, it's something else.

Like... I'm sure even among messy artists not all of them do the bob ross "beat the devil out of it" technique of smacking the brush across the easel legs that flings solvents everywhere. There's gradations to it.

>>7624725
So many words for not posting work.

>>7624728
Go work on your own paintings if you have nothing constructive to say instead of shitting up the thread with pointless responses.
My initial reply WAS a bit too aggro (the idea of paint being on my stuff is physically agitating to me at a primal level, it got the most of me) but it's a serious concern I've had for a while and I am hoping someone actually explains it, since the thought process is alien to me.

>>7624703
But you still need a table for it. A second hand drafting table may be a good choice.
>>7624710
> Post your work.
pic related

>>7624708
> What the fuck is wrong with you?
Have i said my clothes or hands are dirty, retard? I talked about my working desk.
I rather use my time to paint and not to hold my working table unnecessary clean, not to trigger spergs on 4chan.

>>7624742
For me it's not about other people, its that doing that would trigger myself and making using the extremely tiny workspace that I have for all my art agonizing.
I have more of a "kitchen mentality" with my art space I guess.

Painters,
When do you guys decide to name/date your work?
Do you have something specific in mind or just start painting?
Have you considered painting over old paintings? Why(not)?
Is it bad practice to work on a painting months after "finishing" the work?
>>7623014
Is it customary to post one's work here when inquiring this, that, or the other? I come from /ck/ and /an/. I posted my work here once, but I felt embarrassed. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm having fun painting: That's until I see my work a week later and want to burn it because of how gay it looks.

I made this piece for my dad for father's day. I tried to have our dog's paw in the middle, but I used too much paint on her paw and fucked it up. Additionally, the circle in the middle was a mistake. I couldn't manage to erase the pencil marks and ended up including the mistake in the final work. I took up painting only recently. Prior to this the last time I painted was in grammar school over 20 years ago.

>>7624773
How long and how often do you paint?

>>7624786
Painting specifically? Usually about 2-5 hours at a time, varies between a couple times a week to every 2-3 weeks, using acrylics mostly. I do a lot more drawing than painting, and my finished paintings tend to utilize one of my drawings as a baseline in some format. The majority of the pure-painting ones - that don't involve having done a base drawing first - I admittedly have left unfinished because they just lost me partway through.

Small space + mix of media I use = "keep it clear for the me of the future who doesn't want to deal with cleaning up all this stuff to do something else" is part of my mentality.

My perception of color is pretty genetically. I know that tones like lime plaster may be almost entirely yellow with just a dash of red or blue. Is this actually perceptible? am i thinking about this wrong? Though the work I am doing is more diagrammatic then anything I still want to accurately reflect the materials chosen and wonder if when yo see a yellow wash you instantly think "oh this is not warm or cool enough its just faint yellow'

I found many such drafting tables on ebay, for quite cheap. 40-50 euros, some are even free. Are they any good for drawing and painting?

tried doing a giant ruined machine in the far distance, think it just looks look a shit smear, but w/e.

>>7625140
the effect is a bit better in grayscale, trying to get those values in color for large distances is harder for me

I like painting on coins because they're stable and small.

>>7625239
Lol

>>7625239
Is that oil paint? Why would you waste your money like that?

>>7625383
He's literally combating inflation and making everyone's money worth more, including his own

>>7624782
>name/date your work
This lady has an ongoing series of videos that cover stuff like that.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUTzrf9X8ypvZMl4kNHR96igF_76uY5oI

>>7624635
Jealous you are, I see. Incapable of decency and manners, this person is.

Chun, keep painting and you will win.

>>7625594
Thank you for the outstanding playlist. I never considered adding my name to the front of the piece until now. I recall the annoyance of finding a cool wallpaper only to delete it once I notice the signature. I need to find a way to incorporate my signature in a subtle matter that adds to the piece.

>>7624782
Mostly draw but I bought a custom stamp kit and use that to "sign" my work + another stamp I use to date it.
Majority of my pieces are for internet viewing so I also have a digital stamp I slap on, but I don't date it within the piece there usually.

In my case I just try to make it look cool, sure. BUT the primary goal is that it's readable as embedded info. It shows where the pic is from, in case people want more. And I incorporate creative commons stamping into it because it makes it much much easier for the correct license to "travel" with the work, rather than relying on an external chunk of info that can be decoupled (realizing just now that most licensing acts like a goddamn NFT LOL). So I'm not trying to hide the sig or make it annoying, I just want to make saucefinding as easy as possible because it's a problem I've had for probably decades.

Finally continued working on this after having it sit around in limbo forever. Wish I was a little more diligent in sticking to things. The beginning stage always makes me want to give up painting.

Where can I find a 3d model of a human I can set in a certain pose?Just need to see the position of the arms and a bit of foreshortening.

I painted this. I'm pretty unhappy with the colours on the pipes, well in a lot of places. I'm not sure why bit it's messy in a way I don't like. Any thoughts?
It's watercolours over ink, with some gouache.

Well shit, that's the wrong thing and it doesn't allow me to delete it. Here's the pic I intended to post.

That one was just quick sketch for /m/, there was this spacecraft that transformed in a silly way, at least to me, so I decided to try my hand at making it transform in a different way.

>>7621610 (OP)
Nature sketches from life

>>7626314
The design is indeed a bit messy but I love the colors and idea keep working on it

>>7625383
Yes its oil, I seal it with thin PVA in a squirtbottle when they dry. If you mean wasting money by painting on it, it's cheaper than a canvas in a way. If you mean the art is bad and is a waste of paint, that's fair, I'm learning as i go.
>>7625513
Its worth more to me with a painting on it.
>>7625337
Lmao

>>7621644
Oh yeah one of the most annoying parts of being an artist is being told if you cannot network, don't want to speak about your art, and follow the right people like a begging bitch you will never get a chance to sell anything.
But that's beside the point, just learn to paint for yourself.
>>7622463
>Russian academy
Enjoy copying Fetchin forever.
>GCA
Seems to depend on your instructors and how willing you are to stick to academic fundamentals.
i,e look at Jon Brogie's work, and then look at Tyler Berry.
Jon probably went to "reconnect with old masters" and then abandoned a good chunk of his learning after he left.
If you like academic art you'll get a lot out of it.
None of these schools teach you to paint without seeing something in front of you by the way.

>>7627471
>None of these schools teach you to paint without seeing something in front of you by the way.
but that's exactly what the Repin Academy does. You study anatomy like hell so you can later draw figures in any pose you want. When painting, there's barely any light in the model rooms (no artificial light, only natural, so in the winter months you can't see shit) so you're forced to rely on your knowledge of color.

>>7627737
That sounds rather inefficient

>>7627757
look at their work and then look at yours and ask yourself which is more efficient

>>7627757
speaking out of your ass like you just did is also highly inefficient

>>7627771
>>7627773
>7 years total
>7000 euros for the first year, 8000 euros each following year
>have to live in St Petersburg during it
>all to become a human xerox
I'm good.

>>7627776
>I'm good.
are you, though?

>>7627780
I live near a slav store, I see what russian food is like, especially what I'd be able to afford on a student budget.
I have no interest in lobotomizing my ability to do what aesthetically moves me in favor of wow'ing normies by doing what a camera does but hundreds of times slower.

>>7627804
but are you good, though?

>>7627804
What the fuck is a Slav store?
t. Slav

>>7627819
The equivalent of a "german store" or "american store" or "chinese store" for you.

>>7622463
GCA will turn you into a fanatical Munsell system supporter. Have fun carrying a book of colors around because you've become too stupid to simply learn how to operate a limited palette, as every minimally well-educated painter knows how to do.

>>7628221
I know people who went to GCA. With drawing and rendering, they do have a method and they make you follow it. With painting, they don't really teach you much, or rather, there's different teachers who show you their techniques and you pick up whatever you want. They do teach Munsell, but not every teacher uses it (JC doesn't use it) and nobody forces you to use it either. They don't even have a standard color palette, everyone uses whatever they want. The most successful students do set a trend and are copied by the rest, which is why you see some consistency among the students. Our girl Colleen doesn't use Munsell either (though she's a drawing instructor, doesn't really do that much painting at the academy). Scott Waddell, former instructor, also doesn't use Munsell.

>>7628221
In what world does knowing THE most practical and useful color system make you less able to use a literal /beg/ meme?

>those posts
>those images
lol

>>7628221
"minimally" sounds about right lmao

Is there a cg rendering style thats impossible to reproduce with physical mediums?
The older i get, the more i realize, that every skill that is purely digital is soulless and gay.
If i cant paint it in the real world, its basically worthless trash.

>>7628881
basically anything relying on blending modes and most mixing brush styles
in fact, most trad simulation is basically impossible in trad
theoretically you can "replicate" anything by stippling autistically, but I wouldn't call that replicating the rendering
you're gay btw

final boss zunechan painting style. time is a flat circle, i paint the same fucking things over and over again until i get butt cancer and die one day

>>7630266
>i paint the same fucking things over and over again
Fuck you. Paint something else!

>>7630267
why do u give a shit, eventually i do boats again

>>7630269
>again
PAINT SOMETHING NEW

>>7630269
if my life ever changed in a single meaningful way in terms of people, places, or stuff, maybe i'd be inclined to stop walking in circles but that's 99% of dudes right now. wake up, take a shit, work, play video games, go to bed. its all so damn boring

>>7630274
you know, you could make some appealing paintings if you actually learned to paint

>>7630274
you know, you could make some appealing paintings if you actually learned to be creative

>>7630289
That’s my goal generally, broaden the appeal and style but I doubt the subject matter will evolve. My day to day and my memories are so static, that stuff is probably not changing any time soon. Even on an ethnicity of the women level, I just don’t know any Asian women, I’ll probably not ever paint Asian women, same with a lot of other subgenres of imagery, I have too little a connection to them for it to matter. Luckily as you get better at painting you can do new subjects just by way of technical proficiency, like all my memories of fireworks shows, I could probably paint that now, but it’s still a narrow group of experiences I find actually meaningful.

>>7630300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEgCsWyOyCo

>>7630289
that might've been a better zinger if you weren't just whining about having no creativity and painting the same sluts over and over

>>7630304
why does this matter and why are you linking it to me. i'm aware i have a visual memory, yes. this seems like a video for illustrators not fine artists. i work from memory, not things i have zero connection to. heres what ur getting confused about, because you have a misconception about visual libraries as a concept. you don't draw "what you remember" you use recall while painting a subject that is close to what you remember, as in you draw from memories of boats while painting boats. or at least i do because i grew up on the coastline around boats, if i don't remember something because i never experienced it or it wasn't worth remembering, i won't recall anything while painting it. thats just an illustration at that point, you're inventing it all wholecloth, which is a form of copying in my opinion. and this stuff falls apart when you realize most memories are from trauma. traumatic things, physical or mental, imprint harder on your memory than other things, so in all likelihood what you are painting most often is not something that is to you very pleasant.

>>7630311
elaborate

/brian/ general

>>7630415
It’s me, here I am

>>7630300
>My day to day and my memories are so static, that stuff is probably not changing any time soon.
Read literature and go out in nature. It's hard to escape sometimes.

(Ayn Rand does not count.)

that jelly feel

I will not have my studio anymore, soon. So no oil for a while, i have to switch to other mediums. I tried to paint with gouache, simple black and white studys, but the tone changed so much after drying , i wasn't really able to paint.
Is there a trick or something to it?

>>7631218
spend moe than 20 minutes on a painting, brian

>>7631259
That’s not me that’s a fucking ai painting some random autist posted you retard. This is why I don’t fucking post in this thread you morons assume random garbage that gets posted is me. You don’t even know wtf my art looks like you just see trash and say it must be mine. Anyways kys

>>7631295
I will tell you why I dislike your art. This is NOT an insult, this is the actual, real, visceral reaction it gives me and I am hoping that the input is either valuable or simply lets you know that this is what the people who AREN'T your target market see, so you can mitigate that.

To me, your art looks like you smear literal diarrhea feces onto the canvas. There is this fairly common theme of making everything have this yellow-greenish tint that quite literally reminds me of the aftereffects of when I have had a bad stomache ache. Your paint is not spread in a way that is "creamy" and gives some kind of illusion, it makes me very aware that I'm looking at various brownish pastes smeared onto a surface. There is no smooth blending visible, just rough blends, solid blocks of color, and uncontrolled impasto sticking out in everything I have seen you post.

I cannot imagine most of your art being hung up anywhere. It would clash with every form of decor I could think of. You had some more imaginative pieces on occasion, but you insist on painting over them to make them less interesting. It almost feels like there is a deep dislike of being observed or looked at being pushed into your art, but that's going off into speculation. In any case, your art seems to still reject any semblance of trying to evoke anything grand. There is nothing that communicates a want for someone who looks at it to have to sit down for so they can stare at it in reverence. It's not even, as I indicated before, something that fits as a decoration, because the colors you seem to like do not draw the eye.

Catto man is at work and drawing with ink again because even painting with acrylic at work is kinda unwieldy. And I need to get some illustrations out of my brain as well.
There's tons of things wrong on the catto drawing but I'll finish it regardless since normies won't notice the mistakes anyways.

>>7631316
I stopped reading the critique as soon as it became your substack comedy writer roundtable. I’m so serious, you have to kill yourself immediately

>>7631295
>This is why I don’t fucking post in this thread
like 1/4 of the thread is you

>>7631295
Lol its not AI retard its made by Norman Lindsay

I'm just a beginning doodler in acrylic

>>7631295
>that’s a fucking ai painting
the guy that painted that's been dead for like 80 years
>That’s not me
It was clearly a joke, we all know you think you're the hottest shit since illastrat and knowing how to paint is beneath you, nobody thought you made that post
>I don’t fucking post in this thread
lol

>>7631435
Looks Alex grey tier, why r u posting dead fag art in here anyways this isn’t a gay reference thread it’s for your fucking art which u don’t fucking make cause ur a LARPing fag
>>7631462
Okay fag

>>7631431
Good, it’s been over a decade and nobody besides me made it in trad art. We have loads of digital artists making a living from here but tradfags are all still gutter except for fucking me. Thats your fucking fault for being totally fucking shit, not mine. But keep shitcritting my art if it helps you sleep fucker

oh he mad

>>7631472
You guys just aren’t getting any fucking better. Need I remind you the absolute trash I posted here when I started, and nobody has improved at all in the interim

>>7631475
>Need I remind you the absolute trash I posted here when I started
You remind us every time you post lol
Your one period of improvement was when you traced ai

>>7631471
But I make money on Patreon and I sell my trad stuff. Brain, please grow as a person.

>>7631475
jimmy surpassed you years ago if we're honest

>>7631412
Never used substack, wrote it stream of thought because I wanted to give you the most honest reaction possible. If you don't want to understand why someone might dislike your work, then I guess you can remain ignorant.
>No no you're just an idiot
I just have differences in taste that are obviously irreconcileable, if you can't accept that someone might just not like the same things you do then you're going to have a hard time making associates with people who might have valuable things to say. Which limits your potential growth as an artist, as it and can result in intellectual inbreeding

>>7631471
I think if there was a problem at all with your art it would be your presentation. heavy impasto looks great from a distance but terrible up close. But all your pictures are up close. You should probably have a frame or wall somewhere in your studio specifically for hanging these and taking shots at the exact distance they were meant to be viewed at. I really liked this thumbnail for instance but have to way to view it at medium distance to get the right effect.

My goal is Steve Huston style watercolor figures, any tips or feedback?

I appreciate the feedback anons gave in the last thread. Got accepted into the show within 20 minutes of submitting after I made my edits. Felt pretty good.

>>7631652
I'm the anon who wrote the "it looks like literal shit" critique and I can agree with what you said there. It could be mostly in presentation here online. The location of the lamps (if he uses dedicated lamps) also matters if you use heavy impasto. Controlling which strokes are vertical vs horizonal also affects how the light catches it. Overhead lights will cause horizontal strokes to catch more light, and thus cast more shadows.

>>7631326
there's a pretty cool art scene in your city, over in the west in the old industrial district. Are you meeting people there? There's this one chilean dude who's a childhood friend of Guillermo Garcia Lorca

>>7631478
Will/Colleen giving themselves away lol
or bait

>>7631702
It is pretty neat there but I mainly go there for art supplies shopping. Thanks to my terrible DSPD My productive hours are in the late hours of the night. But I'm thinking about visiting a course on bookbinding there in August. And I might visit one printer there to get some merch printed. Maybe. We'll see. Rn I'm still deep in getting better with drawing and oil painting. Putting more socializing on top would end me.
>childhood friend of Guillermo Garcia Lorca
I think you recommended one or two local artists one or two years ago already and I'm following them on Insta

>>7631663
your skin color is generic skin all over. Just like we do with the face (yellow top, red middle, blue bottom), there's areas of the body with different skin color (due to many factor such as fat storage, blood capillaries, etc). Try to identify different hues and temperatures throughout the body and show those in your work.

>>7631687
Congrats! You are now /trad/'s most successful artist!

>>7631705
>I think you recommended one or two local artists
I probably did. I lived there for about a year and a half, beautiful city.

>>7631663
stop looking at watercolor and look at gouache technique, you're dying in the halftones

>>7631687
great improvement on the previous version, though the green's a bit strong for my taste

>>7631295
> that’s a fucking ai painting
You are such a stupid faggot, it's insane.

Figuring stuff out on a little canvas and am about 2 try on a larger scale wish me luck

>>7631482
jimmy has 4 billion bitcoin dollars cause he tried to buy weed in 2007, he doesn't need to be good at art if he doesn't feel like it

>>7631228
>>7631218
Norman Lindsay, right?
As an artist not so much known as others but I love his stuff, of course his drawings and illustrations are just perfect.

>>7632929
Yes. Murrikan prudes even burned some of his works because they deemd it to be 'pornography'.

What is traditional art? In opposition to digital illustrations and anime?

But not contemporary? There should be a contemporary art thread

>>7633175
>Traditional media refers to the conventional artistic materials and tools that have been used for centuries, such as pencil, charcoal, ink, paint, and pastels. These materials are often characterized by their tactile nature and ability to create a wide range of textures and effects on paper or canvas.

Brethern im trying to paint (self) portraits but when they dont look like me or the person im trying to portray I have the feeling I simply have nothing to show for in the end. It makes me a bit anxious to ask people to pose because I cant deliver but at the same time I know I need to improve. When i paint myself it looks decent in the sketching stages but when I try to proceed the subtle tonal changes and other details fuck me up. Wat do?

>>7631412
>>7630266

oh good lord back to painting cp I see
does she get off on you painting these or does she just hate/ignore you

>>7621644
A lot of art schools are for people that want to be artists rather than for doing art.

>>7634889
I don’t give a shit, if I needed other peoples approval to make art I’d never make anything like most of you. Do women ask permission before posting their tits online? Then I don’t ask permission to make paintings from the photos. With how many old overweight ugly hogs I’ve seen have the audacity to show up to figure modeling (that costs money btw), fuck people, fuck models, fuck their midwit opinions of fair use and fuck you for not posting your work

>>7634669
B ok with the fact that the first step 2 success is sucking at something

>>7635074
I went to art school & mfa program, and I am still doing art, and I am steadily making my dreams come into reality. I am grateful for everything that I learned in those places and the mentors and peers whom I encountered.

Those of you who couldn't get into a top art school are eager to stomp down and dismiss what those schools have to offer because you never went, and it's a kind of a coping mechanism/reaction formation.

Sorry to say, you are missing out a great deal by hanging out here posting your anime illustrations and blurting out "more loomis and fundies" without being able to articulate your criticism, when there is so much more to art than that and content, style, and expression are the most important elements for fine art and no the technical.

You guys were eager to stomp me down falsely arguing that my art was worthless, but my professors begged to differ and kept pushing me and encouraging me.

Although my life had ups and downs, and so did my art, I eventually triumphed. I made a breakthrough work and my painting professor at grad school who had kept saying that there were off notes in my composition and colors (if it could be compared to music) I needed to push myself harder to the next level eventually congratulated me. I passed the thesis evaluation and eventually got my mfa.

While you guys are busy tearing each other down in the most crude manner possible and wasting countless hours on what counts as anime porn, I made strides in the art world, and I proved every single one of you wrong about me and my art.

You also tore down illastrat who was decent and not the worst that you falsely portrayed him to be. He eventually succumbed to your hateful and racist attacks and stopped painting. He had potential to improve not in the ways you guys insisted very crudely and viciously with personal insults and racist attacks but in terms of expression and content.

It's sad that all you do is trade insults and hate. No decency. Sad.

>>7635347
>my professors begged to differ and kept pushing me and encouraging me
>the people on top of me in this ponzi scheme kept encouraging me and asking me to put more money into the system

>>7635355
of course that's what you wanna believe, but it wasn't a ponzi scheme. It was an educational institution with the highest standards. I almost got kicked out of the program in the first year, and 1/3 of the students did not graduate or had to study additional years on conditional pass rather than fail, which would expel you from the program altogether.

In critique sessions, students were crying because of how tough and how rigorous the standards and criticisms were. It was absolutely demanding and exhausting but in a good way.

Of course, you have no idea because you never went and you probably were never good enough to be accepted in the first place.

MFA means that you are a master of fine arts. It gives you the license to teach at the college level. I taught incoming freshmen in the foundation drawing as a graduate assistant.

MFA programs have the highest standards, and I learned and grew the most in 2-year grad school, even more so than in 4-year undergrad.

It was the most intense and inspiring period of my life that I had up to that point.

You have no idea. Yeah... just keep talking ignorant.

>>7635370
nta, but what was the institution? also, when specifically were you enrolled? and while we're at it, what's your home address and phone number?

>>7635347
>>7635370


Lol fuck off Chunbum Park, go buy a new wig or something and pretend you’re a woman instead of pretending to be an artist. Your art is absolutely horrendous, as expected from hoity toity MFA. The only worth of your degree is if you run out of paper to wipe your ass with.

>>7635377
Uh huh, it's secret
>>7635388
Sure the same old lame old from an ignorant and hateful self-hating loser anonymous keyboard warrior hiding behind the screen in a dark corner of the internet

You make labels with words, put "absolutely" and "horrendous" together and try to stick it onto my art, but it's just a linguistic construct that has nothing to do with reality

>>7635395
>it's secret
which part?

>>7635377


it’s all on his personal website

>>7635370
MFAs are shit. If you wanted to be a real artist, you'd go to Lyme Academy, GCA or make a trip to Saint Petersburg and enroll at the Repin Academy. But you're a certificate-chasing faggot with no talent.

>>7635418
never heard of those schools
seems pretty niche

you can scream all you want. I have talent.
End of discussion.

The same old lame old insults and hate wont work on me. I am above all that, and I don't seek approval or validation from you.

>>7635451

You’re not looking for validation and are above us yet you can’t stop screeching here about how talented you are to people who clearly think you aren’t. lol

>>7635418
I was gonna point out that those are very specialized schools but looking at the other guys posts and who he might be yeah he would benefit more from that than an MFA.

>>7634669
practice mixing values and painting value scales real carefully. Buy a cast, pre-mix your values into ten tubes, and paint the cast. Make sure you are super careful to get the 'distance' between values correct when you pre-mix.

Painting pictures of my cunt ex girlfriend until I stop waking up full of spite

>>7635478
I dont come here for validation. Why would I seek validation from "anons?" Stop being delusional.
I only came here to disprove everyone that I would fail, and my art was worthless. I let my art speak for itself. Truth is self-evident. It does not need validation from anyone. It is something that is simply "observed" or noted.
I am here to remind you that I am making it towards the goals that I set for myself, in the artworld, as an artist.

>>7635494
Don't assume that those niche schools are for everyone. I am not interested in pursuing academicism. I do study anatomy, but I also know that figurative art that is contemporary must come from feeling, not "correct anatomy."

>>7635671
>figurative art that is contemporary must come from feeling, not "correct anatomy."
glad they taught you all the rules for "contemporary art". Make sure to follow them, my good little golem!

>>7635669
>>7635669
At your level, it could be anyone.

>>7635815
I had to read this with a faggy inflection (your inner voice) to get a better sense of how this is an insult. Sounds more coherent with the “I get fucked in the ass by men” accent

>I don't care
>seethes for hours
why is he like this

>>7635669
Ruminating on her while rendering her is probably not the best way to stop waking up full of spite. Why'd she leave? Where do you get the energy to spite-paint?

>>7636606
same reason he paints a ewhore who posted CP 15+ years ago
he is obsessed

>>7636618
You don't even care about protecting people you just want to ruin someone. Some retard posts tits, some retard paints posted tits and you want to smear him as a pedo. I'm so sick of these gay retarded moral crusaders that save no one from nothing and ruin people for no reason. Go be lame and gay somewhere else.

>>7636618
>beauty is degenerate
ok shlomo lets get you your references of kosher queens and fat trans black women, dont get upset. were sorry you had to see that

>>7636618
>a ewhore who posted CP 15+ years ago
?

is the golden ratio a meme?

>>7636650
Sorta. Looking for patterns is schizo though

>>7636618
holy lel imagine making yourself sound like more of a buttmad woman than brian

>>7636705
Arguments against Brian’s tit and ass paintings eventually start making people seem like Reddit fags which maybe is the point, either way he’s gay and should khs

>>7636663
there was a follower of Nerdrum intent on avoiding symmetry at all costs, because he claimed symmetry was a sign of schizophrenia. Adamantly avoiding symmetry for fear of schizophrenia is the most schizo thing I've seen a painter do. Will post the video later if I find it again.

>>7637036
>I'll just make it a bit symmetrical, what could possibly go-ACK

>>7637036
>I'll just make it a little bit symmetrical, what could possibly go-ACK

>>7637043
Reminder that the experimental cats were experiments he made. In his most schizophrenic phases he'd draw cute comic cats.

>>7637046
D-did he like painting vaginas too

>>7637051
If his books weren't so expensive here and almost always focused entirely on his cute cat illustrations I would be able to answer that question.

>>7637193
Oh, also, here's some oil painting progress. I completely botched a figgie study so I painted over it and tried out some brushes and techniques, going with the flow. Friday I'm definitely going to paint at least two studies from the pool of my favorite paintings so that I actually learn from others instead of bumbling around.

Woke up too early today, got to start on the first study. And I learned that I hate canvas paper. I'll finish it though. I want it on my wall.

More progress on that silly goat drawing as well.
I can't be the only one in this thread today, r-right...?

The committee of /ic/ lurkers appreciates your contribution on this fine day, and is looking forward to your various progress posts regardless of what you think of them.

I don’t know much about art but I really like this painting I found at a thrift store

>>7638380
An original Albert Icktenstein?? Wow

>>7637194
It looks like shit smeared on a wall, why would you paint something like that? Is it some postmodern, i try to paint my sadness, or something?
>>7637193
Its obviously cg.
>>7637253
The original is way more disgusting than yours, not sure if that's a good thing or not.
>>7638158
> 1747804107764048.jpg
Looks cgay, what is it, ink?
>>7638135
Whats up with the hatching, looks as if you would press on the nib with excessive force?

>>7638697
Alright, I'll humor you.
>It looks like shit smeared on a wall, why would you paint something like that?
Because it's fun. It's also just WIPs. Oil painting takes a few layers.
>Its obviously cg.
How could you tell?
>The original is way more disgusting than yours
I'll get there since it's also just a WIP.
>not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Death to normies with their boring normies tastes.
>looks as if you would press on the nib with excessive force?
Nah, just trying something other than crosshatching here. I'm still experimenting. Not sure I like the hatching there so far though. Maybe I should've just used crosshatching. I'll get there eventually.

And here's some catto drawing progress.

I will definitely paint tomorrow for sure this time

>>7639001
What are you going to paint?

>>7639007
A picture of you shutting the fuck up with your witty little mind games

>>7639012
You know anon, somehow I think that’s not actually what you’re going to paint

>>7639019
Nice try, I'm not falling for it again

>>7639022
I don't think you're going to paint at all, anon.

>>7638961
> Oil painting takes a few layers.
Not necessary.
> Death to normies with their boring normies tastes.
Postmodernism it is.
> Maybe I should've just used crosshatching.
Not the best choice for fur. Parallel hatching is fine, your technique is just unusual. Unusual in a bad sense, if you ask me, but maybe my taste is not divergent enough.

>>7639080
>Not necessary.
But for my beksinskimaxxing goals they will take more layers. I like gradients more than blocky color patches.
>Not the best choice for fur
Probably not. I'm carving my own path a bit here. There'll be more furry animals in this portfolio though.

>>7639085
> beksinski
I've analyzed his art not too long ago. Hard to tell what technique he used, seeing his art irl would help. I read about him many years ago, there was a description of his little work place in front of a window, but nothing really about his painting technique.
> There'll be more furry animals
I'm not surprised, really.

>>7639112
>Hard to tell what technique he used, seeing his art irl would help
I visited his museum and one thing that was quite striking was how flat his paintings are. Barely any paint sticks out. There's also a few videos on YouTube showing how he works on paintings.

>>7639112
>there was a description of his little work place in front of a window
Also, you can literally visit his studio as well.

>>7639118
>>7639118
His art is very illustrative, im not surprised it being flat.
>>7639129
They opened a museum in a commie block apartment?
I was never to Poland, but seeing some Beksinski art is one of view reasons for me to do so.

>>7639172
>I was never to Poland
The National Museum of Art in Warsaw is amazing. Don't miss it!

>>7639172
>His art is very illustrative
His art is very abstract in nature.
>They opened a museum in a commie block apartment?
No, they took the the studio from the commie apartment and transplanted it into the castle the museum resides in.

>>7639179
Warsaw also has (or had, I think) a nice Beksinski exhibition.

>>7639194
Must be a faux window, then.
Some of his art is abstract, most of it is not, it's surreal. And as most surrealist, he has a very illustrative technique. That's what modern imaginative realism usually looks like.

>>7639215
Most of his art is abstract. His "fantasy phase" is what he is known by but his photographies, drawings, sculptures, digital art, and even most of his paintings are arising from an abstract fascination with materials and human shapes.
>modern imaginative realism
Most of his copycats don't get Beksinski's abstract drive. There's several artbooks from the Muzeum Sztuki Fantastycznej which illustrate this well.

>>7639229
I dont know what you are talking about, show some examples.

>>7639246
I'm not at home atm. I can do it in the next thread. Although it's starting to feel very spoonfeedy to me. Beksinski is an artist with an enormous body of work in all kinds of media and he is an abstract artist primary and a surreal artist only secondary. He kept saying that heads and body shapes were mainly his "brushes" with which he created his abstract goals.

>>7639255
Ive never seen his artbooks or paintings, only stuff thats on the internet. And what you can find there is mostly not abstract at all, remember even a skull with hammer and sickle a lotof stahlhelms as well, catholic cathedrals, crucifixes… he is often very straight forword.
But maybe there is ither stuff in his body of work i dont know about.

>>7639267
>only stuff thats on the internet
Yes, those results are favored towards his most popular period. When there's a new thread I can post some stuff that is lesser known.

Is it worth preparing ur own wooden panel with rabbitskin glue and all that shit?

>>7639292
No idea. Is it?

Anyways, goat progress. Goat is finished more or less. Just a drawn frame is missing now.

>>7621610 (OP)
If I were to try an paint anime girls in oil would that be welcome in this thread or not?

>>7639612
We'd try to help you but we'd still hate your guts.

>>7639612
ignore the posturing newfag, we have anime regulars

>>7639292
why use rabbitskin glue and not just PVA glue? Same result, much simpler. And remember, whatever sealant you apply, you need to apply it to both sides of the panel, otherwise it will tend to warp (unless it's super thick, like an inch or more).

>>7621651
>Colleen Barry
yeah her shit isn't much different than marxist post modern crap except she has readable human forms in her paintings.

>>7624688
buy a piece of MDF or wood bigger than your watercolour paper, from a hardware store and put that on your oil table. it will be $10 or whatever equivalent.

Instagram for photos is dead, you need to film process, to make any followers.
Whats your set up guys? I think i need a proper horizontal camera rig.
Still 5k in debt, but my health insurance allowed me to pay it back in monthly installments of 500eu, so not that bad.
>>7640115
I found a foldable aluminum working table, it is good enough for now.

>>7640109
>her shit isn't much different than marxist post modern crap
how's that?

>GOOD MUD explores the untold stories of the feminine, rooted in the chthonic, earthy realms
often overlooked in modern discourse. Barry’s figures, learned through rigorous study of
European art traditions, are bold, expressive, and deeply tied to the human experience—
particularly the feminine. These figures reject nihilistic trends in contemporary art and education,
embracing the vitality of ancient forms while confronting the complexity of modern life.
>At the core of this exhibition is Barry’s exploration of the female body—earthy, ancient, and powerful. As Camille Paglia writes in Sexual Personae, “The chthonic female is a force of
nature, her power savage, untamed. She is the dark mother of destruction and regeneration, the
force that swallows life and brings it forth again.” Barry’s figures, grounded in the weight of
gravity, embody this force. They are protectors, nurturers, and symbols of resilience, carrying the
weight of ancient wisdom.
w*men were a mistake

>>7640300
are you the anon saying Colleen's work
>isn't much different than marxist post modern crap
? regardless, what's so wrong about her GOOD MUD exhibition?

>>7640321
no, I looked it up because of the posts and it's worthless pseud garbage
european tradition my ass, mutts get the rope

>>7640326
>it's worthless pseud garbage
how do you figure?

>>7640328
I have eyes and don't have jew juice in my tapwater, fuck off, nigger

>>7640334
I'm just curious as to your reasoning, if you have any.
>I have eyes
has no substance; you could just say that in the opposite direction

>d-debate me
>>>/r/eddit
your wife is trash, buy an ad

>>7640346
simply asking for someone to explain why they think a certain way isn't a debate. do you actually have a reason for what you say or not?

>heh eckshooyallee you can't just say something smells bad, you need to explain in what way it assaults your senses sweatie
it's shit, stay mad
you will never be a part of european tradition

>>7640351
>you need to explain
never said that, just asking
>stay mad
you're the one with the emotional language. if you don't have a reason or don't want to say it, you could just state that.

didn't read, but you sound mad

John, just stop. Your fugly wife's paintings are utter trash. Better than your ai slop oc, but still.

Post what you're working on, frens!

>>7638961
45 minutes of uninterrupted inking doesn't amount to much at this size. But we'll finish it, chat. Eventually.

>>7640515
Fugg. Forgot to attach photo like a retard

>>7640300
artists statement were a mistake

>>7640515
spooky farmhouse

>>7640669
this would look really good if you actually tried and spent more than 20 minutes on it

>>7640669
Your colors are nice. I'd love to see paintings by you with a few more details. There's potential there

>>7640669
If my child came up with something like this, i would kick it in the guts.

>>7640766
if you did that, I would kick you in the nuts

Who's the best /trad/ artist here?
I feel like 95% of the posters here are posers who can only critique and not produce anything of substance.

>>7640911
Brian

>>7640911
Every artist has something going for them. There's no need to rank them. Everyone who makes art is a poster and not a poser

>>7640911
does the irony of being a tourist without work criticizing people's paintings that you haven't seen because you just came here to shitpost escape you, retard?

>>7640963
The difference between you and me is that I'm not vitriolic. I'm not interested in posting my work here and getting critiqued by people who don't practice what they preach.

>>7640969
no, the difference I actually post work in these threads and you are a nodraw nigger literally producing nothing of substance while trying to bring others down
kill yourself

>>7640981
Oh, I have seen the work posted in this thread. It's clear that I won't get anything of value from the artists here, especially from someone who's weirdly aggressive like yourself.

>[kvetching intensifies]
you know where /beg/ is

>>7640984
>It's clear that I won't get anything of value from the artists here
Why do you come visiting us? What are you getting out of us?

>>7640984
feel free to fuck off then, nobody called you

>>7640990
Honestly, I'm just curious about the toxicity that some posters here exhibit. I've attended a fine art school, and the atmosphere has always been positive and supportive there. But here, users like that guy I've replied to above seem to want to shut anyone down and bring them to their level to wallow in a pit of despair and self-loathing. I used to think /ic/ was some bastion of good art, but from the /trad/ threads that I have visited throughout the years, it seems that again, no one of any real talent or value posts here. If anyone actually wants to improve their skill and be with people who can support that, you're better off joining a fine art Discord server. That's where I've been.

>>7641004
You have literally zero self awareness.

>>7641004
Why does anonymous toxicity interest you? What exactly do you want to learn about it? How does this benefit you and your art career?

>>7641010
The benefit is that I know that this place is not the "cool kid's club" that I thought it was before I got into traditional art. It's just a bunch of losers putting each other down.

>>7641023
What do you specifically get out of telling the entire thread that no one here has real talent? What is your goal?

>>7641024
Anon, I'll just let you know that you're better off not posting here either. But if you want to hang around with vitriol people like the anon above, then suit yourself.

>>7641030
What place would you recommend to me to hang around instead?

In the end, who was crabbing whom here? I guess we will never know for sure.

>>7641004
It's a combination of factors. Anonymity brings out the worst in people. This is a critique board, so it's inherently critical. 4chan is always negative and is a haven for the mentally ill. Autists often have very strong opinions about their subjective tastes and can't understand the other people value different things. High effort posts of art and good faith art critique take a lot of effort, posting snide remarks is 100x easier. Slow board, most lurkers don't post very often. 20% of posters making 80% of the posts. Vocal minorities can easily shout over the more positive ones.
This combination of things means it'll always be like this. I don't really mind it, but I've been here for a long time. Most people aren't suited for this place.

>>7641034
I guess leddit is ok for asking technical questions and getting your ass licked.

>>7641979
I don't like Reddit and won't make an account there. And ok is not great. Do you know any better places?

>>7641981
Conceptart org had a decent forum like 15 years ago but probably it doesnt exist anymore.

>>7642006
Where do you usually hang out?

>>7642020
just at home, with my mom. And you?

>>7642162
Same, with your mom.

>>7642162
Does your mom appreciate your art? Is she very nourishing to your trade?

Since the thread is almost dead, here are some Beksinski things

>>7643002
All of this is Beksinski btw. He was mainly an abstract artist. Surrealism comes second only. His phantastic surrealist period was only one phase in his enormous body of work.

>>7643017
Alright, that's enough for now. What I wanted to show is the sheer amount of abstract work he made. Google search only gives you a fraction of his works and it's the most "normie approved" ones.

>>7642984
>almost dead
the thread's gonna still be on the catalog for days

>>7643034
Not if I make new threads for every single two minute doodle I draw :^)

Chat is dead but I wanna say I kinda enjoy being surrounded by all those bottles of chemicals used for oil painting. It's comfy.

>>7642020
In my studio

>>7643399
Is that the place where you find buyers for your art as well?

>>7641418
>Anonymity brings out the worst in people
This is not true. People who have their full fucking name and workplace and address and/or kids on display on twitter or facebook at the worst. Anonymity rather instead makes social status not apparent, and the rather slow, text-based communication of the internet favors direct topic-based interaction rather than using small talk to feel out someone slowly and built rapport. You also cannot easily escalate conflict beyond words or baiting people into saying "reportable" (depending on the website) things, which makes some people go into fits because they're used to just imposing themselves on people, making arguments that are less about the topic and more about it being a stepping stone with implicit threats of violence in order to get their way, rather than genuine discussion.

>Autists often [...]can't understand the other people value different things.
This is most people. Normies don't understand, they just conform because if someone else of greater status tells them to they think it will benefit them to play along. Autists often struggle with doing anything without a conscious reason, which includes following along with a hierarchy based on social status rather than something like speedrunning records.

>Slow board
This is actually part of it though. One thing you also missed is that this board gets trolled by sharty with a relatively high rate due to how detached from art the jannies are. This is both good and bad because on some other boards there's a few who are overbearing with 150+ posts removed in threads due to jannies with agendas, while on here the lack of moderation both lets retarded howies and obvious troll posts stand.

>>7643402
No. never sold anything. My friend does and its still a struggle for him.

>>7643472
But then where do you talk about art with other people? You said this is not the place for it. Then where is a place where you talk about it? Although you keep coming here. So there is something to /ic/.

>>7643018
He carried over his nice textures, from his more realistic works. Otherwise, he should have stuck to his mainstream work, it was at least very recognizable.
This is just your postmodernistic slop, without any identity, besides as i sad his textures, they are way better, than your average postmodern slopa.

>>7643532
>He carried over his nice textures, from his more realistic works
He had already developed his textures from his sculptures, which in turn were inspired by Paul Klee:
>>7643009
>>7643008
And you can see he was already interested in surfaces from his photography.
Beksinski's progress was:
Product design > photographs > drawings > paintings > digital art

>>7643546
not him but idk if i'd call that "sculpture"

>>7643552
I mean, in a way you could call these "drawings on metal surfaces". They are 2.5D-ish. But he liked giving the metal surfaces and structures he liked.

>>7643557
These rusty, battered metal plates are what is the basis for his 80s and 90s paintings:
>>7642997
>>7642995
>>7642987

>>7643566
I wish there was an actual artbook with these but I'm sure there isn't one.

>>7643546
> He had already developed his textures from his sculptures
That's not how painting works.

>>7643501
Im actually not the original poster u replied to. Basically I talked about art with two friends.

>>7643585
Good i hate this corpo art language, it's such a perversion of art. What do want to say with it anyway?
You cant paint texture, just cos you are able to make a sculpture, with a similar texture. Those are completely different processes.

>>7643606
Beksinski himself said he wanted to be a "pseudo-sculptor". Sculptures and paintings for him were connected.

>>7643608
In a metaphysical sense, maybe, but his ability to paint texture, is coming from learning to paint texture, not from sculpting.

>>7643615
He learned to paint texture. He learned to paint the textures he sculpted himself in his early years.

>>7643578
>That's not how painting works.

>>7643620
You can, of course, do that as well but that other anon (is it you, Brian?) is not incorrect since he still paints what a sculpture with a metal-y surface would look like. His paintings are as flat as they come.

>>7643619
> He learned to paint the vagly similar textures he sculpted himself in his early years.
>>7643620
The German guy talked about, how flat his paints are, his textures are painted, not modeled.

>>7643627
Don't underestimate his sculptures. They were a key to his later art.

>>7643634
Some more photos from the museum

>>7643636
I invite everyone to study Beksinski and his life and work more thorough. It's a fascinating and productive life that went to so many different mediums.

>>7643606
>You cant paint texture, just cos you are able to make a sculpture, with a similar texture. Those are completely different processes.
Tools not Rules. Plenty of painting supplies are sold to facilitate making an irregular surface that you paint on to attain some effect beyond simply painting shadow and light in by hand.

Having to add qualifiers to what you mean when you say "I like painting" is normal. Art is too varied to be conveyed in soundbytes and we live in a pluralistic world that is only getting more fragmented. Simple quippy definitions are no longer sufficient if you hope to have effective communication without back and forth arguing about what is meant.

>>7643625
>is it you, Brian?
No I personally hate impasto. But I hate people being retarded about this shit even more.

>>7643638
I wish I had photographed more of the sculptures

Basically my point with these
>>7643620
>>7643641
is that you can use whatever the fuck you want, then observe how it works, then paint it in a different format, and you still learn and develop different techniques from it. Its how many "weird" forms of art work, since 2d art is all about creating illusions. If you learn how some odd materials look when painted and you can create the illusion of those painted materials too.

>>7643641
I'm tiered of your stupid shit, you rather show me proofs, that Beksinski used modeling paste, or you can fuck off.
>>7643638
I remember reading about Japanese collectors, visiting Poland and buying a bunch of paintings. Beksinskis manager sold them the worst painting, cos they had no idea about art, they took them and he heard never again from them. A funny story. I you have a name, people literally throw money at you.

>>7643675
There's actually quite a few Beksinski originals over in Japan. There were several exhibitions there as well and the Japanese have also printed a "Collected Works" series of books.
If you had a Beksinski original, no matter how "bad" it was, you would hold it in high regard, right?

>>7643678
As far as i remember, the point of the managers story was, the Japanese economy was very strong, they had too much money, and a rich businessman send his assistants to buy art, they didnt really know shit about. And shortly after, the economy crashed. So who know what really happened to them.

>>7643701
To this day Beksinski pieces get rediscovered. He made so much and sold a lot.

>>7643675
>I'm tiered of your stupid shit, you rather show me proofs, that Beksinski used modeling paste, or you can fuck off.
>Missing the point
The other anon showed he painted on textured pieces of metal.

How do you mail artwork abroad?
I just checked DHL and it's like 100 euros to send an envelope to the US, what the fuck?

>>7644189
This is why I don't ship there anymore. All this TACOing made it impossible to determine shipping costs. Maybe I'll ship to the US again in 2028.

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Went to an art fair this weekend to check out the artists pricing etc. The main area was populated by I guess bigger artists from out of town, and the locals were relegated off to a side street past the food vendors.

The quality level was about the same, but I believe the event was run by a "contemporary arts" organization. It seemed sketchy to shove your local talent in some side street while having the main drag filled with out of towners. Is this normal? I've never really gone to art fairs.

>>7644500
arent these types of events more to drag people from out of town into the town so they spend money?

feel like people never grasped the incentive of playing the ebay/amazon/etsy game properly which is that you gain selling limits by selling more/running ur business well. its game-ified but like... i can make as many attempts at a $5000-$50,0000 painting as i want at this point because i ran the store well enough for 8 years or so. you only get to list $5000 when u start i think and then its $25,000, $50k etc etc meaning your total value for whats listed cant exceed that number and as you run your store better they increase those limits. so theres some incentive if any of u have work that could sell to start now rather than later.

>>7644925
nobody cares what some rando said, retard