If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Please stop replying to crabs, nodraws and howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed rip: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/edit
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
mangapose.com
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life

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Pawell will return.......
he is just powering up

Magma doodles

art block does not exist

>>7620996
PAGE 30 END. Finally. It's over. For the ones who didn't read the book, that last panel is about an earlier dream the executioner (Severian) has. He sees her head like that, but it doesn't give you any clue of the meaning of it. Well, now I'll walk into the horizon in Coom-Fu style... see ya
>>7622676 (OP)
Cool thread image OP, thanks for your service!
>>7621570
>Very glad you've managed to finish it peril! I'm extremely pleased
Thank you fren! Because of your support I got motivated enough to finish it.

>>7622528
This is amazing!!!!
>>7622616
Oh, I hope you do a series of these, cool stuff
>>7622068
Everything you draw has so much appeal and beauty
>>7622462
Incredible work anon, you managed to give them such a "casual" finished look, very refreshing

>>7622688
it's just having days where your observation skills are shittier than normal
>>7622690
Excellent work peril!!! I'm very pleased and you ended it beautifully by making it so story compliant! I'm extremely impressed by your ability to keep the stories solid even though a lot of the goal of it was pornography and incorporating so much of canon - really enjoyed her. fate was sealed in this forsaken world and all the Severian reflection. Beautiful work (: this and your thecla comic are definitely the most impressive things you've made to me, you bloom when you're genuinely deeply interested in a concept! magnificent work
that last panel in general and the referencing.. god, holy fucking impact, I hope others familiar with the series are there to consume it. beautiful ending

>>7622690
i haven't been reading your comic, but why is there a beheaded woman there???

how the hell do people only use the hard round brush for everything?

i like my funny shaped and textured brushes too much

If anyone wants to doodle in magma with me I'm probably going to study in there for a while while I have time because I like this brush, if you want to join the link is https://magma.com/d/tIGMq1w0RZ

nevermind my magma won't work on a public link for some reason, reee

I've figured out in theory what I need to do, hear me out.
Imagine if you had a time machine and kidnapped [pick your favorite artist] in his prime, sat him down and made him play modern multiplayer video games. He'd have trouble, he'd get tired. He'd need a break and he wouldn't be able to do it 8-14 hours a day or most of a weekend.
For me drawing is like that. It's draining and I can only do it for so long.
I've been playing video games since the 80's but am only recently learning to draw for health reasons, mental and physical. I'm trying to keep my mind sharp and stave of motor function decay.
I can still play video games and recently did a stint to keep myself occupied to quit some drugs I had become dependent on. Despite not playing for years, I soon feel into a state of chain queueing games to the point where not only was I not feeling withdrawal, I had to remind myself to eat.
Now if we look at what we know about Kim Jung GI, he drew from an early age like I played video games, constantly and obsessively to the exclusion of other activities. There's more to it, but no less. Without that insane time in, he could never have developed those abilities.

So to me it seems the trick is to cultivate that same kind of behavior. The catch is that video game designers make it easy. You don't have to put as much meta effort into the activity, they did it all for you to make the game sell. With art you have to choose subjects, arrange composition, source references, and set goals. In video games, the equivalent factors are done for you, you just play.

How do I feedback loop my brain into doing this? The major sticking points I have are what to draw and setting goals.
If this was a good moba or MMORPG, I wouldn't be here asking questions unless it was maintenance day or I was bored at work.
How do I infect myself with the compulsion to practice to the neglect of basic bodily functions like I did playing video games recently to kick habits?

>>7622701
It's a character in the "The Book of the New Sun" series (Morwenna), who is accused of poisoning her family and sentenced to die. The protagonist Severian is a legal executioner in a journey of redemption and illumination about the cruelty of the world he enables with his prejudices and preconceived notions about "loyalty", "law" and "justice".

>>7622708
You're just plain wrong.

>>7622708

>>7622685
everything but the character you drew a thousand times being beg is cracking me up

>>7622718
i put no love into the rest they're just to fill up space LMFAOOO you can tell how little I care about the random female torsos

>>7622708
>Bart: You're making me lick envelopes?
>Skinner: Licking envelopes can be fun. Just make a game of it.
>Bart: What kind of game?
>Skinner: Well, see how many you can lick in an hour. Then try to break that record.
>Bart: Sounds like a pretty crappy game.
>Skinner: Yes, well, get started.

>>7622708
Shut the fuck up and draw, retard.

>>7622690
What's next for you?

>>7622710
About what?
>>7622713
Are you too stupid to read this?
>>7622723
If it was that easy there'd be no reason to post this. You don't see anyone on /v/ complaining that they can't get themselves to play, maybe that the games suck but they keep doing it.
>>7622726
I'm trying to solve a problem. You're not only not contributing to the solution, you're wasting your time posting useless shit here so follow your own advice of that's all (you) got.

I suspect at least one of these posters is nodraw samefag.

>>7622731
Only one wasting their time is you. Write some more essays about shit nobody cares about.

>>7622731
>You don't see anyone on /v/ complaining that they can't get themselves to play
But that's all they do there retard

>>7622731
All that time you spent schizoposting on a Chinese basked weaving board could have gone in drawing but alas!

>>7622732
>>7622733
>>7622734
Wow, look at that. Next 3 posts in under 5 minutes. Hypocrisy much?
I just looked at /v/. I didn't see anyone complaining they can't play, just that they don't want to.
What is it about my post that is triggering (you) so hard? You sound like NPCs when someone points out reality. No reason for that reaction otherwise. (you)'re all capable of ignoring a post, why were you emotionally compelled to respond not once, but twice to something (you) claim has no value? Why are (you) giving me this power over (you)?
I can't think of any other reason than cognitive dissonance, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>7622739

people were speaking about the right side of the brain earlier and I wanted to mention that don't overdose too hard on it because that's how you end up with problems like me where you can contour draw but you don't really know construction (I'm learning but I haven't figured out how to apply it to my art yet because you'll end up with a pattern of drawing that is based almost entirely on observation rather than thinking and it's really not good for the long-term and I warn against using that book exclusively for anything but the very start

>>7622687
woah. I mean genuinely unreal. How long do you spend on each drawing?
>>7622685
Magma's great. Love drawing with friends & refuse to try any other drawing programs

Drawing characters people suggested elsewhere. First of the 3 I'll be doing today

>>7622676 (OP)
I am doing fine, right

I am doing Blue Archive.
It's my first time doing loli proportions, and I am worried

THREAD CHALLENGE

>>7622708
born with talent

>>7622759
women are made to suck cocks

>>7622777
Data says no.

>>7622781
what data?

>>7622782
You can start here
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-innate-talent-a-myth/
If you want better sources, ironically you'll have to put more effort in.

The gears are turning, I think I'm figuring something out

>>7622792
nice cope you got, see you in 10 years still posting here

>>7622676 (OP)
I want to improve my lines with this piece but regardless of what I try i get these wobbly lines
is there a video or something someone recommends on improving lines

>>7622777
Lucky trips say yes.

>>7622799
rat

>>7622806
is this a reference to Jane Doe or the name of some youtuber?

>>7622797
I accept your concession, nodraw loser.

>>7622807
oh man I hope that girl is ok. we did art trade and wanted to Collab and she vanished, poor lady

>>7622809
wait I'm confused,
I think we are talking about different things.

>>7622810
Oh, different probably, poster from ic with a similar moniker who identified as a rat haha

>>7622799
>wobbly lines
Where? Your lines look smooth and clean, especially for a sketch.

To that other guy that had shaky hands: How are you holding up? I'm doing my best to try exercises and stuff to regain control of my hand. I'm doing quick lines smoother, but I'm so goddamn shaky on any detailing (or any line slower than a quick straight stroke) it hurts. How do you manage to do it?

Man the tremor tool accessibility stuff in procreate actually really helps. please try it if you're struggling. this may actually make me move over to procreate because it feels like I can actually draw with it (even though I've been drawing in magma all morning the jump back to procreate with it on is insane)

>>7622816
Yes they are also cut and whatnot.
I want to make continuous nice lineart like many artists do with nice clean lines that don't feel like they get cut off.

Do you draw with a specific goal in mind or are you just learning for fun?
I want to make a webcomic

>>7622820
OH MY GOD JINXED
i literally just made this post
dude >>7622821
If you have an ipad PLEASE try the tremor accessibility tool it's actually so helpful I'm literally shocked
otherwise the main way that I do it is I draw with my fingers and I make sure my hands are weighted and down on the paper when drawing traditionally and also I use pencil and pen grips
but motion filtering on the procreate app may actually be a game changer for people like us. I'm really shocked that it's so effective. give it a go if you can

>>7622822
So basically
I try to be slow a precise -> wobbly
I try to be fast -> they get cut off

>>7622824
Lemme try it out! Thanks anonie. :]

>>7622830
it isn't slow like stabilization is and seems to find a midline between the wobbles, hope you enjoy i too

>>7622759
Challenge half-assed.

>>7622823
My goal is $200 a month.

>>7622759
This is actually a really good reference. I didn't want to do it at first because this skinny bitch is unappealing to me (and reminds me a little of my sister) but from an educational standpoint I'm getting a lot out of it. I've always had trouble drawing women's shoulders, but I can see where the bones go on her in a way I can't on a woman I'd actually want to look at. The anatomy maid sense now I'm a way you don't get from anatomical diagrams. Also, the way the models line up helps a little with understanding proportions (sort of.)
I didn't even try it in pen. I knew I'd have to erase it and correct it and it's been very satisfying seeing the forms come together with corrections.
I'm having trouble with the fine details because for mild insanity reasons I'm using a Home Depot pencil and not sharpening it even though I have fancy nip mechanical pencils, lead, and erasers I could be using. I'm trying to escape the whole "I need premium materials" mindset (although the difference between this pencil and pilot .5mm lead with tombow mono erasers is fucking huge.)
Another issue I'm having is (under the assumption I'm going to ink over this) at this block in stage it's hard to deal with all the values. There's her skin, his skin and the various shadows on both and the wall. It's nothing I can't overcome and learn, but it's tricky and that's what makes this a good challenge.
I should probably get the good pencils and do the hands, toes, lips, eyes, and skin folds more accurately if I intend to continue in ink.

Thank you for the reference. This helped a lot!

And now that I see it on here and not my table, her torso is too long. I think. I'm tempted to get out a ruler, I can't trust my eyes.

>>7622699
Thank you Tremorbro! I'm glad you pointed that out, that this is primarily a coomer project, above all. I don't want to mislead the normie fans or "misrepresent" the source material. This should be just some random fever fanfic and "nothing more" lol. Thanks for the recommendation! I could keep digging into these books, and making little hot comics about it, but right now, I'm quite "satisfied" with it lol
>>7622730
I don't know it may take a while for me to get obsessed with some other idea, though I have infinite piles of little comic ideas that I want to do in the same genre of this one "damsel in distress under cruel legal authority", but this one scratched many of the things in those ideas already so I can give it a rest for the moment. I should finish some of the other comics but I don't have that itch right now.
I really want to read, I have a bunch of stuff to read that I couldn't get into, since months and months, saving this one thing about TBOTNS.
>>7622701
This >>7622709
>>7622759
Cool challenge.

>>7622832
Is it motion filtering? What do you have it set to?

did some drawings

I figured out the problem.
It's because I'm using a tablet instead of my phone so I'm at a 45 degree angle to the paper instead of overhead. Everything is stretched tall. I've corrected it a bit but now it feels off. Maybe I'll just ink it as it is and move on. If I fuck up the small details it is what it is.

missed therapy and didn't even get a call or a text from the therapist lol

I can never get the top's face right
maybe it's bc I can't relate to the expressions they make

>>7622862
mfw

What can I do to get this less shitty looking? I can't keep it straight for the eye rings at all. This is what I mean when I say detail is hard to keep straight, even with all the stabilizing in the world.

>>7622864
sex

>>7622869
Try doing it on paper first. You just lack muscle memory

>>7622690
You're gonna make me reread BOTNS, this is great. I like how you mixed in your own thesis in there with the narration, you clearly understand it better than most people on /lit/ lol.

>>7622873
It's a problem there, too.

>>7622869
you're a prebeg, tremor or stabilizing is the least of your problem right now.
learn how faces actually work/how to be able to draw them or learn to copy accurately by measuring first

How did I do?

>>7622884
soul

>>7622878
Man, that's fucked up. I seem to be getting worse at this as I go. I don't even know how that's possible, nothing else I've ever done has been like this. I've posted stuff here that people have said was "okay" or whatever, but never prebeg. I just don't get how it can deteriorate when you're trying, y'know? That's kinda fucked up. Still gonna keep going at it, but that's really fucked.

>>7622863
Holy based. Now all that's left is to stop taking your meds.

>>7622877
Try Drawabox first two lessons. They will give you enough confidence holding a pen.
They are basic exercises but once you integrate them in your routine they will make a pretty big difference in your line quality

>>7622891
Lol you will never make it without being called perma prebeg at least once

>>7622822
>>7622825
Okay I see the issue now.
The lowest area you've circled is fine. Yes there's a cut but it's only visible because you're fully zoomed into that part and it hasn't been colored yet. As long as the direction of the curve is maintained it doesn't matter if it's made up of one stroke or seven- it'll be perceived as one line. Naoki Saito talked about this, and his demonstration makes it clearer.
https://youtu.be/dfAxqMa1J4M?si=9IkvOQz_wjYIPuc8&t=327
The middle circle is the rough area, it feels like the lines get cut off because they're curving in different directions even though they should represent one hair strand. The sketch doesn't have that issue, so you're clearly capable of drawing it. Did you start zooming in to draw the lineart whereas the sketch was drawn more zoomed out? You might be forcing your arm/wrist/hand into an awkward position that's making that curve harder to draw continuously. It looks like you're already rotating your canvas to make drawing certain lines easier, do the same with zooming in/out.

>>7622869
draw on paper
skip the rings and finish the rest
you didnt deteriorate, youre drawing something hard. circles are hard. this has always been your skill level, some things are going to come out better than others.

>>7622891
its ok man i got called anywhere between prebag to int in here
just keep drawing and try to make it a habit for now

I think that's all the effort I want to put in this one. I've made enough mistakes that I don't want to go further. I think I learned enough for one reference and am moving on.

>>7622866
And? Which one is yours that you did in the time since it was posted? Lashing out at /beg/s learning isn't going to fix your life problems and is honestly probably making it worse.

>>7622869
Draw full circles and erase the part that's not visible. But really you should draw the full face before going into the details of the eyes. Start with the big stuff then go into details.

currently reading through steve huston's book and i really love the style of the figure drawings

is it possible to replicate or get something close to this digitally with charcoal brushes? if so, any recs for good charcoal brushes?

>>7622853
10% !! yes

>>7622907
Just become a tradgod instead. It's calling to you.

WIP update. This is probably close to the final crop since the dudes lower body is too wonky.

>>7622685
ahhh deer man and titty

>>7622905
>>7622898
I'll try both of these, thanks guys.

>>7622899
>>7622895
Haha, that makes sense. I guess I shouldn't take shit to heart, especially not here. Just been a bad day, thanks for helping me keep it in perspective.

>>7622918
yeah dont sweat it :3

some people forget we all have to start somewhere

>>7622919
edit: we all started somewhere

>>7622918
Don't worry, you get used to the salty anons.
Most of them are just trolling

>>7622891
it may be fucked up but if no one tells you, youre not gonna improov.
the reason I said youre prebeg, is because you dont seem to know what you're doing. you're making guidelines, then not using them, thats what i can tell from that drawing you posted. that implies you dont understand what you're doing, you don't know why you're making the guidelines and then use them in the wrong way.
either way, hope you improve, start learning some loomis it'll help with your problems.
attached is my low/beg/ attempt of the girl in your picture.

>>7622869
Hopefully you'll get the idea from this, even though my execution is terrible.

>>7622925
I don't think this is the case on this thread currently, but legit paid agents of governments and ngo's and their ai chatbots are all over this site pushing various agendas that can be as simple as discouraging people from using anonymous forums (as your makes controlling the narrative difficult.) There are literal court documents proving this where the supervisor who submitted the logs wasn't savvy enough to redact the (you)s and outed what his agents were actually saying. In the absence of images (on an image board) and the obliviousness to the content of a posted image, it can really seem like the guy trolling you is a bot.
You have to be careful though. Just because you say "pyw" or post nose or whatever and they didn't respond doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't real, maybe they want to be private and suspect (you) of being the bad actor harvesting data.
All the same, I've had a lot of negative comments on multiple boards that seem like bot replies or some paid shill quickly typing something and moving on to the next thread or board he's trying to ruin.
You can also find them in YouTube comments where an official narrative is questioned. There seems to be a never ending supply of people with generic account names with nothing never to do then increase the signal to noise ratio and get the last word in without actually addressing anything you say.
This thread I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but on other threads that you wouldn't think they would care about in a million years, I've seen this kind of nonsensical activity.
Here it's just crabs trying to keep you in the bucket with them. No spooks needed.

What I will say is that jannys can tell who you are on boards without poster ID's and I think they do have vendettas and will harass you when you make an unrelated post because you made them look stupid and they live here. I've outed one before because he knew what posts I reported. Only someone "working" here would know that. Half the thread got deleted. I think he got fired. There's no way to tell, but I got a nonsensical warning and the "people' harassing me on that thread stopped posting. You can say maybe they got banned, but it's piss easy to ban evade since they let this place become a honeypot.

>all this schizo bullshit because someone got called a prebeg
People will do anything to not draw huh..

>>7622907
it is mostly about texture and value management. Using krita I followed his video about rendering, it takes some tweaks but is possible, I think the hardest thing to get right is getting that subtle yellowish/greenish glow that natural charcoal has other wise it looks too digital.

Another WIP behind it

>>7622953
another anon did an incredible work on csp, his notees

"
I use clip studio

First I used a perlin noise filter, very small, for the paper texture.

the line art is any line art tool, I think csp has that "realistic G pen" rool that's slightly textured.

for the rendering I used mainly a slightly bristle gouache brush, it has slightly reduced opacity but you only need a second stroke to get a true black if that makes sense.

for the blending, I used a bristled blender for most of the harder edges, and then I softened it with the default soft blender in Csp. Pretty much it.

Also another huge tip from Huston I remember hearing in one a youtube vid, don't try to copy 1 to 1, try instead to exagerate the aspects that you like in the figure. which is the reason I exagerated the size of her breast pressing on her leg, the pressed shape and the contrast were both satysfing to me and added volume to the piece, same for those squiggles on the scapula and it's shadow.
"

>>7622952
Post your work.

>>7622959
Its ITT. have fun finding it. take your meds too

>>7622960
So you don't have work in this thread or you're too much of a pussy to attach your art to your shitty attitude.
Which one is more pathetic?
>Take meds
I accept your concession, nodraw.

didnt do much today because i was playing Nightreign vidya

>>7622962
You're the hostile schizo whos not drawing right now tho. I finished 3 drawings today. What about you?

>>7622963
It all looks a little elongated/not wide enough if that makes sense

>>7622970
yes i always struggle with that, any advice?

>>7622972
Hmm it's a tough one. More overlaying the ref might be good. And actively thinking of it during drawing might make you more aware. Other than that, lasso tool and drag the bottom up (^_^;)

>>7622965
No, I'm only replying to hostility. Post your drawings.
>No, you!
I never attacked anyone, just responded appropriately to abuse. I don't have to prove anything. You are the pussy who triggered to hostility with no impulse control. Did you think the threads that didn't reply to you were about you? Why is that?
I never said I did or didn't draw today, I only speculated on strategies and insulted no one. When challenged responded appropriately making my attackers look stupid.
You claim to have done 3 drawings, well, we used to have a saying, "pics or it didn't happen."
So you've drawn nothing, you feral simian illiterate nodraw triggered LOSER.

>>7622980
I've lowkey been nonstop giggling at these replies of you so at this point it's more entertainment than anything else lmao
You got triggered by being called a schizo after quite literally posting a wall of conspiracy shit on a /beg/ thread.
But hey, at least it makes for funny entertainment. May you never take meds and entertain all of /beg/ forever

>>7622986
It's, we know you can't draw. Thank you for proving my point.

>>7622958
mogging

>>7622989
You've made no points and haven't proven anything but go off
Posting work when talking to schizo's is not worth it
>can't draw
Surely anyone can draw anon but you've been doing a lot of posting and no drawing.
Anyway, I'll get back to drawing now. See ya next thread schizoanon

>>7622986
>replies of you

>>7622992
Are these "drawings" in the room with you now?

>>7622757
>How long do you spend on each drawing?
something like this, with two characters and background, about 15-20 hours I think

>>7622991
yeah he is, from time to time he posts at /fig/

>>7622708
I forgot that wanted to reply to this, you know you're right. You need to turn it into an habit, a playful one. An "sport" if you like. I had the same videogame early "addiction", till one day I just started messing around with the file resources, messing up with skins, maps, scripts, and that ruined it for me. In my mind now Games are just a bunch of lame shit put in sequence to make you loose your time. And even as I tried to get back into "gaming", my mind couldn't undo de effects of that black pill.
How to get in the draw "zone" then? It's a mind thing, like what happened to me with this book, I got immersed in it, mentally, and I just felt the unstoppable need to do a thing with it. Now that need could crash against the wall of your skill level, but that depends on how you manage it. You don't have to make a whole project, but maybe, just a character, or just a symbol or thing or artifact. Just "to see" how it comes out of your own mind and pencil. You need that mind juice, a mental obsession, a person is driven by desire, of any sort. Seek that and feed on that.

>>7622875
For real? Thank you anon! Yeah, I realized pretty soon that the author was trying to fuck with you, pretty blatantly, at any corner available. He tried to mess with your mind till the last fucking sentence that sob lmao. So I took my precautions, lol. I do have lots and lots of personal thesis, like, I think maybe Eata threw him out of the boat that night after the flood lol. You could talk about tbotns for ages. I don't think that I'll read that again though. I think I squeezed out everything I needed from it.
There you have a last extra panel.

>>7623001
Thank you.
After posting that this came up on my feed
https://youtu.be/CtNgZZ1WucI?si=Nvgc_sb3IG54Q7kX
It's a piss take, but it's actually helped a little.
If we take it seriously (we shouldn't) then arguing with these idiot crabs counts as the after dinner "engage with society" portion of the day. The video also suggests not to expect much output per day.
Again, it's a piss take, don't take it too seriously.
>You need a mind juice, an obsession
IDK how much of a factor this was, but I'm one of the videos on Kim Jung GI I watched it was highly implied that one of his handler's jobs was to keep him from drawing porn because of left alone that's all he'd do. That might have been a goof, but maybe sexual repression was a factor.
As for me, I do enjoy drawing a pleasing female form, but I don't want to get stuck on that. I don't really have anything like that, but your answer might prove useful to me. I've been able to obsess over things in the past. Leveraging that into drawing motivation seems possible, the devil is in the details.

too much text in this thread

>>7623018
No one wants to post images because of Mr krabs.
Here, have one of my pencil renditions of a /pol/ slide thread op image (a great source for references )

Here's one I did with colored ballpoint pen. I leaned the technique from a French orc in YouTube.

Gel pen copy of Hildebrandt lotr work.

There, that enough shitty /beg/ images? Has the balance been restored?

>>7623024
creepy!
>>7623026
remembers me about engraving silver.
>>7623021
2007 highschool vibes

I can keep going.
RIP Paul. You were too good for this world.

>>7623033
>Creepy
I got a whole photo spread of her from here in a reference thread. Here's one in pencil. Real Lady Gaga vibes.
It's funny looking back at these because they were so much better that my earlier drawings so they looked amazing, but now they look shaky and lacking confidence.
Sad thing is I'm not much better today. I'm going to fix that though.

>>7623021
Mind sharing the ref boss?

>>7623039
something about your art is unsettling. like something Im not supposed to see. dont take me wrong I dont want to insult you or anything, Art that erupt feelings is good in my opinion.

I'm so fucking bad at all this
proportions expressions poses perspective fabric skin too much detail not enough detail
even tried using a reference for part of this and everything that wasn't referenced is just fucking disgusting dog shit retard baby finger painting mode terrible

>>7623040
I had to power up my old phone and him out to the pc to find it. You're welcome.
>>7623044
You're probably picking up on emotional trauma and conflict from that time period. Bla bla bla bad thing happened.
I'll try to be more emotionally centered when drawing.

>>7623053
Is that Griffith?

>>7622759
pic related is my entry

>>7622907
your work? I wish I knew how to apply value like that. How long does this take? I wager about 6 hours?
>>7622953
I know it's digital, but it really made me look twice. Very cool brushes. Which brushes do you use?
Eh, using Krita I'll probably be limited to some standard ones, but they might be good enough, if I knew how to use them.

>>7622958
thank you for sharing this

mfw will never be an artist
mfw drawing for months or even over a year and still absolute horseshit
mfw sisyphus is not, indeed, happy

>>7623056
no it's a random character modeled on frohlbericheri frohl from they were eleven
I used some movie poster for an anime adaptation as a reference for his pose and I sort of changed the outfit, added a gun, and changed the guy holding him
unfortunately it's all shit

>>7622986
*tips Trilby*

the only good things I've drawn are basically just wholesale copying other things actual artists have drawn

>>7623065
oh yes maybe its some trauma vibes but atleast you drawings give of emotions, I always think my drawings are strange in that way. sometimes they do not give of the vibe I intended. and at the moment they are more fanart and poses/bodies

some doodles I did. was given some colored pencils as a gift today so using them

>>7623055
Guess I'll use this as a warmup today instead of cats
>huge 5head
>thin lips
>thin greasy hair
>those nasolabial folds which I ignored
I felt unprepared trying to beautify this uggo so I'm gonna cope and call the ref shit and move on lol

>huge 5head
it's proportional, your drawing fucked her up.
>thin lips
fair enough
>thin greasy hair
you've never been in a pool and it shows
>those nasolabial folds which I ignored
again fair enough.
i suggest you spend less time looking at cats and more time looking at actual women.

>>7622823
I want the gods to notice me

i studied a few eyes and compared my new (left) Just Draw eye to my old (right) one. it really is that simple lads. now i gotta do noses because that motherfucker is MESSED UP

>>7623103
She's Hungarian.

Hi weirdos!

>>7623107
So show me how it's done. I'm curious how to deal with the folds on her face in a simplified stylized way too so that I can be more faithful to her expression

>>7623065
Thanks anon,
>Which brushes do you use?
I'm not going to say some BS like "brushes don't matter" they do matter. But what matters most is the process. Steve Huston explains the process well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6nXdpj1zI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQpM9IDV794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON9Hty0wP30

-He works with two light sources: direct light and indirect light.
-He loads an edge or shape with charcoal, then smudges it using his finger, following the direction of light.
-He uses a sketchy outline to add more dynamism.

To make the transition to digital, here are two things I did:
- Prefer temporal layers over selections. Temporal layers are faster to set up. You can erase more easily because you’re only affecting new strokes. If your smudge brush is set to overlay mode, it will sample from all layers. Once you're done with an area, merge the temporal layer back. Repeat. This workflow gives me the feeling of working with a malleable material.
-Limit your palette to a range between value = 20, saturation = 5 and value = 99, saturation = 3. Avoid full dark. What I did was add a layer on top, set to "Increase Saturation HSI" blending mode, at 34% opacity and alpha-locked, filled with #e3e5cf or something slightly more green. This creates that semi-natural glow you often see in traditional work. If you use saturation = 0, nothing will happen.

As for brushes, you’ll need:
-A pencil (Charcoal Pencil Large)
-A soft round brush: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB-SsPeF7ZY
-A smudge brush
-An airbrush for transitions
-A chalk brush for deep darks
-A texture brush for backgrounds (Charcoal 16comp-blockBG)

Use all of them at different sizes and opacities, both for painting and erasing, with low enough density at the brush tip.

>Eh, using Krita I'll probably be limited to some standard ones
standard ones are good enough, from the above list the charcoal ones are from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9wtk5BWtC0

>>7623119
dunno man, i mostly do realism and don't wanna spend time drawing a ref i don't want. your drawing isn't even necessarily bad at all you're just blaming the ref when (no offense) you missed the mark on accurately capturing a lot of her features. the hungarian lady didn't do anything wrong

>>7622685
Tfw you will never have a gf who obsesses about you like deeranonette obsesses with deerman.

>>7622676 (OP)
I want to study and practice but i gotta finish a comm fugg. thanks guys for making threads like this for /beg/ tards like me. Sometimes I feel like wanting to doubt myself but then I remember that one manga dude who draws with a pencil in his mouth because he's disabled or that one painter who paints with a stick on his head because he's got cerebral palsy. No excuse lol

>>7623125
Would you really want this? she draws him getting fucked in the ass

>>7623120
I really appreciate your in-depth answer. Your effort won't be in vain, I'll experiment with charcoal-y digital drawing.

Thanks a lot

>>7623099
Good stuff.
I like top left best, color-wise. Lot's of nuance

>>7623128
What if he's into pegging?

>>7623125
its a curse more than a gift
>>7623142
Thank you!!
>>7623144
He is

>>7623148
Sounds like win win

>>7623150
He's a switch he's just not into masculine men so pegging is based for him im not abusing him okay

>>7623124
Nah that's why I said I was coping. I do think my drawing was a failure more than the ref being poor and I'm not really happy with some of the omissions and changes I ended up settling with. I guess it's a matter of finding some artists with a similar style who've already solved the issues I've had problems with and studying them

>>7623165
Wow, she's super cute.

>>7623044
that honestly sounds like a massive gut punch for anyone attempting (semi)realism lmao. german pragmatism strikes again.
art isn't art if it can't evoke some sort of feeling, but "unsettling", "creepy", "uncanny" etc are feelings targeted for a very specific subject matter

>>7622676 (OP)

>>7623197
i will now play your game

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.

>>7622759
yes

>>7622759
look how broad her shoulders are. this is a man.

>>7623015
Yeah, I saw when KJG said that. I'm sure there's a huge unknown treasure of coom art he did, that we will never see. The thing is that KJG was so, way ahead on that "mind juice" that he could get lost drawing anything at all, because he knew how to draw just anything at all, lol. We got to admit though that he over-sexualized MUCH of his work, maybe more that any other known mainstream artist ever. So he had plenty of that "obsession fuel" covered.
But he was himself as any other artist, like Leyendecker had an obsession with elegance and beauty, Rockwell had an obsession with a wholesome american society, or Frazetta had an obsession with epic force and majestic depiction of the human form. There are artists that can only draw landscapes, or vehicles (like Scott Robertson), or whatever, it doesn't have to be sex. The cool thing with sex is that you inadvertently focus on the human figure and expression, that's very helpful.
So yeah, if you can find the "detail" that fuels your engine, then you're golden.
Thanks for the video btw! Watching it right now

>>7622875
Last BOTNS coom slopah, "I swear" LOL

>>7623224
Lovely lines!!!
>>7623165
You just keep crushing it! beautiful doodles!
>>7623099
Cool Lyran and lovely lady right there! You're the best Tremor!
>>7623083
Now THAT's one creation tale that I'm willing to support with all of my faith
>>7623026
SPLENDID!

>>7623246
can you give me some tips on the technical side of drawing? If you were to mentor a beginner, what kind of exercises would you give them? Books to read?

pls respond

>>7623246
Thank you so much tremor!

>>7623250
>>7623246

oh I said tremor instead of peril. i accidentally thanked myself instead of u. sorry peril

I'm going to ask the dumbest question ever!
Are you fags ready??
Why does cube get wider when it rotates

Trying to learn from loomis. any thoughts?

>>7623258
because a hypotenuse is longer than either of the legs

>>7623187
Nah, I'm just rolling with it. And honestly, coming from someone posting borderline Loli, I take that as a deep compliment. How did your drawings go?

>>7623258
2 sides are bigger 1 side

>>7623272
>>7623262
Drawing it from the top made it click

>>7623261
I think you may be confusing the eyeline for the brow line. It should also be higher on the circle. They all kind of suffer from egghead syndrome. Keep at it, though!

>>7623246
>Splendid
Thank you! I was doing weird shit with the I Ching and using it to dictate what I would draw and there was a line about a white horse or something and I found that as well as the photo they used. I can't find it, but here's something similar. Drawing in gel pen from a phone reference on a steering wheel is challenging.
>Detail that fuels obsession etc
I managed 2 drawings today, both ITT. I did some cardio and tried a little penmanship practice. I haven't come up with anything to fuel other than a need to distract (I had to stop playing the video games. I was losing muscle sitting for 12 hours a day, but I kicked the drug dependance.) I'm not going into the details of my personal issues, but I'm using art as a cheap way to keep my mind centered and to distract from the unnamed issues that won't fix overnight. I'm not going to be doing it professionally or anything.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that it's getting better but something is missing and for me it can't simply be sex. I'll take what you said about it influencing things into consideration and it is very easy to draw attractive female forms, no doubt about that.
I could go back to using the I Ching, but compulsive divination leads to insanity and I'm trying to go the opposite direction. The thread challenges are nice, but I need someone more. I'll sleep on it.

>>7623247
No prob anon, I said this before, even when we all kinda hate "cape shit", we gotta admit that there's a deep and rich, but specially EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE, artistic legacy in that classic genre. "Classic super hero comics" turned the effective and dynamic depiction of the "ideal" human figure, right into a science. Because it became a huge global business, so it was serious shit to professionalize at an industrial level the art creation of that genre.
In your head it is already embedded the recognizable poses and shapes of superheroes, if you see the silhouette of Wolverine, even when you don't know muscles, you recognize their shape, deltoids, forearms, traps, lats. It's a HUGE advantage to jump into that already built "knowledge" in your head
You won't be wrong to look for classic comics and use them to build your own learning on anatomy. Those guys, "professional myths" already did all the hard work, utilizing the ideal human form accurately in many iconic poses. There is a known book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayQsCau0hj8 everyone mention, but I've never had that book, I just had the comic books, that's better and more fun to go through looking for cool stuff to learn from.
Now I know what you're thinking "cape shit" "come on man", Yeah, I now, you could say that most asian and european comic art has much more sovl and appeal than the american comic scene, but the thing is, in order to play with gesture and stylized appeal as Asians do, you have to know the human anatomy, and American CLASSIC super hero comics does that for you, it teaches you anatomy easy and effectively. You need to develop a human stylized anatomy in your head. Classic american superhero comics, they look rough and boring, but those are all accurate beautiful figures done professionally and effectively. Then you can get into other stuff like "Anatomy for Artists Drawing Form with Tomfoxdraws"
I did picrel in a few minutes, just basic capeshit

>>7623253
Thank you Tremor!

>>7623283
Thank you so much anon, that's a really interesting approach, Pascal Campion said he learned from capeshit too, and he draws very soulful, French art. Did you just copy the comics a lot and then try to draw your own comics too, using those characters? How would you approach studying a comic?

Finished page with men
>>7623197
Reminds me of Malon from OOT
>>7623246
>>7623183
Thanks

>>7622676 (OP)
I hate head studies so much it's unreal bros.

Loomis doesn't feel right. Paper mask doesn't feel right. Drawing a cross and going from there doesn't feel right.

The grind must continue.

>>7623298
What finally "worked" (relatively) for me was the Xiao Weichun Human Anatomy book

>>7623299
And then I liked morphed the steps from the Xiao Weichun book to make it more anime based on these guidelines

>>7623300
Also this helped too
Basically I pick and chose elements from all 3, but I finally feel more comfortable with heads

>>7623302
The Xiao Weichun book in queston

working on a self portrait to celebrate 3 months since doing my last one

>>7623303
Thanks anon. I'll take a look at it!

Trees are fun to draw, a nice break from figures and portrait.

>>7623289
A tricky question with a tricky answer. I'm sure Pascal didn't approached the study of comic books with any plan or strategy. We were just kids fascinated by shit that looked cool. Maybe now it's not so striking as in the past, 20 years ago when I was a kid the physical figure of a superhero was a COOL THING. It was like looking at a cool mecha, to see in a comic the details of muscles and poses it was cool. Nowadays, any visually cool shit became so normalized that you may find hard to look at something and be marveled by it. To see something and say: "THIS" is cool and I "need" or I "want" to replicate this.
It may sound confusing but I'm trying to explain what makes a kid to draw something cool. I think young generations today are losing the natural instinct of reverse engineering something that's interesting or cool. Because nothing is interesting or cool anymore.
Classic superhero comics have a number of known poses, wich gets repeated again and again, with subtle differences. You may like ones better than others, but all of them shows you a naked dude or girl with perfect anatomy and looking cool. And the guy who did that, draw it super fast and effectively. So if you go through those comics books picking the figures that catches your eye, and you copy them, you will be learning anatomy quite accurately. On the other case, if you love Baki, wich I totally love, and you fucking love to copy your favorite Baki figures and poses, and you do it perfectly, then you should know that you're not learning real human anatomy at all. But just fooling around with "cool shit", but not the cool shit that you need, in order to learn accurate human anatomy.

I did I quickie in picrel, I believe that in order to do the freaky shit, you need to understand the natural and real anatomy first. Capeshit do the roid anatomy too, but always inside the boundaries of "reality", and that's crucial to understand what and how can be twisted and deformed in a successful way.

I don't think I've posted my people watching schizophrenia in a while

>>7623310
Congrats on your 3 months mtf transition gurl

More doodles

>>7623325
Hahahahaha
I did tone down my lips a little bit. If anyone knows how to do stubble when painting without making a mess of somebody's face, let me know.

is this just a circlejerk general

>>7623330
A little bit. I like the community of /beg/ but I also like it when people are directly critical. I think there's a good balance here.

>>7623321
I didn't realize you were a bakifag lmao.
What a huge gap from your regular art

>>7623330
30% honest critique (sometimes dunning kruger) and 70% circlejerk. I throw my shit on here primarily because I want critique and guidance but I also want at least one person to see my junk before it's forgotten about forever.

>>7623328
nah I'm just fucking with you big dog it looks good but you need to add a bit more contrast if you don't want to use any outlines.
there's no easy way to stubble it is what it is, unless you go for a 5 o'clock shadow with gray scales and blend them with your skin color.

>>7622688
It does.
>spend a year drawing
>start seeing actual progress
>stop drawing for an extended period of time
>the fear of gainz loss kicks in
>stare at a canvas because I don't want to know how bad I am again
A vicious cycle.

>>7623338
I fixed my traps + lips + added some lowlights around my jaw so you can differentiate it between it and the shadow around my neck. I'm saving highlights for last because I have really, really difficult hair that goes everywhere so I have to fix that first. I think most of the highlights are in my hair and then on my lips/nose. Thanks for the actual constructive crit. Btw I've been jokingly called a lesbian my entire life by my brother so I don't sweat jokes.

>>7623321
you're probably right, that it's better to just give into your passion and study what you like and be like a child again, but I feel physically incapable of feeling emotions anymore. I feel like I need a step by step guide on how to break down my favorite art, I wonder if you have anything like that for me....

either way, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions, it's much more than I deserve

>>7623337
Yea that's the same reason I "spam" the thread because it's the only way I share my art. So it's just a moment of oh maybe someone will acknowledge this brfore it disappears from relevance

>>7623343
I draw for myself and understand the greater purpose of daily practice, but a part of me wants my stuff to be validated by emotionally moving someone in some little way. It's a weird feeling but I think we're on the same wavelength here

>>7623346
Yeah, exactly the same. i get a lot of criticism for it, but if I don't post, there's something lacking in the joy of drawing, which is potentially causing an emotion in someone else

>>7623341
oh indubitably we all can use a little more humor and self-deprecation in our lives.

>>7623341
>been called lesbian
I mean, if you really are androgynous then you're on the right track

>>7623357
Just you wait until I get my hairy chest all rendered up. :^)

>>7623364
You will always be a woman

>>7623373
I'm literally a man though. With a dick and balls. I would show you the selfie reference I'm using but I don't wanna dox myself.

>>7623342
Thank you anon. About your question, the other day there was much talking here about the Bridgman books. "The copy Bridgman twice" meme, wich I did a while ago, and I was checking that back. Actually that exercise didn't do much for me since I already have those core visual elements of the human anatomy in my head, BUT looking back again at that exercise I realized that it was a huge mistake to do the whole human anatomy in one go like that. What we need to do is to focus on one thing only. Do a thousand hands, a thousand noses, a thousand feet, a thousand knees, a thousand necks, a thousand arms, a thousand ears, etc, etc, etc. That's the only guaranteed way of incorporating that knowledge for sure in your memory. Otherwise, you would be learning that in a span of a decade or more doing it randomly, instead of systematically in much less time surely. You could sign up for art classes, focusing on anatomy, that would be awesome too. I wish I could go back in time and do that, 10 or 15 years ago. It would have been so fun and such a good time to remember.

>>7623380
Not him but you're making me rethink my study plan with this post since you're making a lot of sense

>>7623380
This is brilliant advice, thank you so much senpai

>>7623377
OK, well to compromise show us your gock and galls

>>7623395

>>7623380
>A thousand noses
That seems like too many.
I'm tempted to write a holocaust joke here, but nevermind. I'd say break them up into 5 groups of 200 and do something else in between them. 1000 of anything at a stretch has got to be just as counterproductive.

>>7623405
I don't think he meant 1000 literally. More like focus on something until you become highly competent (not master) at it then move on. However long that takes is up to you. You'll have to somehow incorporate your past studies into future studies to keep them fresh too

Drawing before going to sleep

>>7623412
what's he reading

>>7623413
A tutorial.

>>7623415
a tutorial on?

>>7623412
>>7623413
>>7623415
a tutorial huh

>>7623405
I used to think that "a thousand anything" was a crazy 'impossible' number, but with time you realize that hundreds of doodles eventually happen constantly once you stop doubting every line. A nose it's not just "one nose". It can have infinite shapes and forms, depending on angle, age, gender, "mood"... So you can do a thousand noses, if you focus on that. I think I did 20 noses in picrel, just under 5 minutes. If you want to do cool noses you will take your time tho.
>>7623410
>focus on something until you become highly competent at it then move on
I think that's the perfect way to put it on words. The key thing is to not "cut" the process. I don't know how many iterations are needed, I guess every person have their own learning threshold/curve, but you need to keep hammering that shape into your head, till it sticks for good.

>>7623418
how much of the thousand should be from reference, how much from memory, and how much from imagination? Is it even important than you divide it up like that?

>>7623417
financial statements known as Notice to Reader, he is a hard working businessman

>>7623418
thank you again for all your help, sorry for the blunt reply just now, I am tired...

>>7622907
Lane Brown's Charcoal brushes are great, he's made them in Photoshop and Procreate.
SK1 and SK2 for Krita are good too.

Shoulder details and my eye areas and I'm done. This is thrilling. I fucking love painting now.

>>7623423
I don't know, learning is a natural and organic process, it's hard to "measure" a "cerebral" learning process. Maybe you need reference for every angle of a basic nose, or maybe at some particular iteration point your mind can start to, sort of, guess the angle or shape of a different nose "from imagination". That would depend on every person's innate "talent". But the more times you draw that nose, the more possible will be for your brain to perform that "act of talent". What I mean with a thousand noses, is that you will get to unlock the "make up a creative crazy nose from imagination". Forcing your brain onto something so apparently "simple" as drawing a nose a thousand times, will make your mind to start making shit up, you know, "thinking out of the box". A line and two holes will be forced to become a million different things, just to comply with your forced challenge. And that applies to anything ultimately. Imagine coming up with crazy poses from imagination, when you can only think in 2D standing figures. It could seem something absolutely impossible, BUT, if you can make that happen with a nose, then your brain can escalate that to other things, shapes, figures, etc.
Picrel: I was watching the RE-requiem trailer and doodled some noses lol

>>7623444
Theres no contrast. Looks like a muddy mess

>>7623447
This gives me anxiety, but its encouraging that you got as good as you did just by trying really hard and having fun with art.

When you feel like you have run into a particularly bad plateau, or are just generally dissatisfied with your skill, how do you personally try to go about breaking through it? Do you do lots of reference studies, or do you try to do more comics like you had been? Redblob senpai had that “draw the dame ref 5x” regimen, do you have any ritual like that, even if not rooted in any real science?

>>7623450
Okay, where do you propose the contrast should be? I'm open to valid criticism. I have highlights in the hair and skin so far, but without cranking everything to full white or full dark I don't know what else I could put. Maybe under the nose.

>>7623454

>>7623452
dios mio

>>7623444
The shoulders aren't done, but thank you, that actually looks nice and I'll use that when I detail the trap. As for the hair, that looks nice, but I feel like it takes a lot of the variance I put into it out. As for the neck, in the reference that shadow going diagonally down my SCM is very, very subtle. I'm actually overstating it in my version. Lastly, you've actually painted over the dip in my neck in the middle, though I do like the one on the right.
I appreciate you taking the time to help me. I will utilize some, but not all of your changes.

>>7623461
if you meant to reply to me >>7623456
i just put some more contrast/color variance on it to illustrate what i meant, of course follow your reference i have no idea how the lighting is supposed to be. what i wanted to illustrate is if you use different hues you can get more detailed and it'll look natural. human skin isn't made up of one monochromatic colorscheme so try to implement some blues, greens, reds, etc. and pick darker shadows, that'll help

>>7623461
if need be, study the ref you took, color pick a few colors to see the hue shifting, etc. just try to get a good feel of how the colors of the skin are made up

>>7622676 (OP)
My friend's OC cosplaying as Usagi from Juuni Taisen

>>7622687
Sick. Great linework as usual.

>>7622852
I think this is the first thing I've seen from you that I found actually appealing. No offense. Just a differing of taste.

>>7622823
Same. Or maybe a game. A VN or tRPG or something like that. Just want to tell a story with my characters.

Cute character btw. What's their deal?

>>7623267
Shota, actually, I think.

>>7623466
>>7623468
Here, on your suggestion, I added a bit more darkness to the darkest shadows and also added more color where it was reference appropriate. Thanks! Now for the eyes.

>>7623453
That's almost a philosophical question, sometimes it's hard to admit that you're what you are. At least at some point, you are "that" artist, and it doesn't matter how much you kick and shout you won't become Kim Jung Gi the next week, or the next month, or the next five or ten years lol.
You just need to stop suffering for your art, it doesn't help anyway. It helps more to suck and to be happy with it, and just keep having fun, wich will lead you to natural improvement. That natural process will be hindered if your mental state is in a really bad place, worrying and suffering. A negative mental state won't let you "suck" happily and at free will, wich won't allow you to keep evolving. You can only get better by keep drawing, and to keep drawing you have to accept, and be okay, with the present outcome of that process. Just don't lose your head, and your happiness. If your mind is in a good place your natural learning process will function as it should. Otherwise that "plateau" will become a reinforced wall.
A quick QT for you on picrel, cheer up anon and have fun.

>>7623477
Thanks anon! Don't worry, I'm aware, of what I do. I enjoy unleashing the freak mode. It's fun, and want to have fun.
A cutie on picrel for you as well

>>7622676 (OP)
What am I doing wrong here? Her bent leg feels off.

>>7622765
This is actually pretty rad.

>>7623481
thanks for your advice so far anon. you really are crazy good. I tried drawing that girl you drew just now in a diff pose, but I couldn't do it. too embarrassed to post the result. i wish i could be as good as you

June self portrait is done.
Bleed by Meshuggah came on during my last stretch and helped me tough it out.
No more until September... ;_;

practice doodles

>>7623330
>>7623332
>>7623337
What happened to the days when people would spam buzzwords like Loomis or sticky? I thought this place was a crab bucket.

It's a comfy place here and I enjoy the regulars, even if I don't like their art personally.

It's like going to a Cafe or Diner and giving and receiving a polite and friendly nod of the head or tip of the hat from the other patrons as we all sit around and enjoy or time.

>>7622687

interesting how shit stuff looks in even at 1 hour in but turns out well after lineart and rendering. the face still sucks but cba to fix.

>>7623513
wow that's really good anon, love how you do lines. bet your finished pieces look amazing. got a blog?

>>7623535
damn that skull is super detailed, looks cool. always love your stuff even though im not that much of a pokemon fan. hope your comic is going well!

>>7623537
just a redliner, not the pokemon guy sorry

>>7623541
>just a redliner, not the pokemon guy sorry
ahh my bad got confused there
my point still stands though that skull looks great

>>7623044
you should draw disney porn

>>7622884
Needs more loomis.
Her ear is fusing with her jaw and jaw is way too wide

>>7623513
How did you get worse? Your faces and bodies have become more awkward than your old stuff, ReiN. Try switching software or adjust your CSP settings and stabilizers so you're not drawing with any pen cursor lag.

>>7623535
brutal mogging

man I suck this morning maybe because of the vestibular migraine
>>7623481
this advice also helps me to read thank you even though I didn't ask for it
>>7623380
Man this is so fucking helpful and explains a lot of what's been killing me thank you peril senpai

>>7623317
really like how contour based these are, I should try

I don't know how I should practice putting shadows on figures. I also don't know how to put 3d forms in coordinates. What should I do?

>>7623569
Improve your drawing and forms a bit more to not be so flat and disjointed first. Lighting won't work if your forms are wonky underneath, will always look awkward.

>>7623571
Thanks! I will focus on 3d forms!

>>7623452
Gmi

>>7623537
Thanks for sharing your process.
Mine is very similar, including time. Good to know I am "doing it right". Or at least like others. Or not totally wrong. It feels like a long time for a floating figure, doesn't it? But that's what it takes.

>>7623546
any Ideas? any characters?

>>7623267
Ouch ;p

Not even with dirty crossover of popular things characters I can raise my Twitter followers number.

>>7623590
Rapunzel, Elsa's sister (Anna) getting dicked down by some BBC would be pretty poggers

>>7623303
Where does one get the /ic/ translation of this? The archive.org one is totally unreadable, seems to be a 1-for-1 google translate.

Meow

>>7623607
Very cool anon

>>7623595
The faces are ugly as sin; the poses and outfits are none too interesting. That makes people scroll past your post without engaging, even though it's colored and everything.
To grow your twitter numbers, you have to get people to retweet your stuff. Not that I'd know from experience, that's just what I've heard.

I'm relatively happy of her (I managed to give her some nice thighs without being uncanny) but the rendering isn't- there yet.
What do you think?

>>7623608
Thanks

>>7623611
And some landscape I made

>>7623589
>a long time
nah this is quick for me, it used to take double the time. been trying to speed shit up lately. gonna try to implement backgrounds as well next time. gotta go fast

>>7623597
makes me wanna dressup my OC as Rapunzel. colored a little bit at this one today

>>7623618
He/she/they/them/xir/xan/xor looking peak. The only thing i don't find appealing is yet again the face :(
Why dont you try leaning more into disney style faces? You seem so close to nailing it if you did a few studies itll be good

>>7623622
hehe everyone says something about my faces....and mostly its true. Im on my way to learn better faces but its kinda hard if all I want is draw nice bodies :D ....but yes there will be better faces in the future....hopefully

>>7623618
Rapunzel is a cutie for sure

>>7623633
kino military man fighting bubbles and lizard

I need ideas. Can anyone show me a futuristic furry combat helmet that doesn't look goofy as shit please?

>>7623649
go ask /fag/

>>7623650
No one helped me there last time, but fine I'll try again.

Can I get some critique on this wip? I don't really draw furries so if the dog looks weird, do tell me

Did my best to draw from imagimation.

>>7623649
Have you tried just searching for fanart of sci-fi franchises on e621 or something, furries have been drawing cyberpunk stuff since the 80s I'm sure one of them already figured it out

praying to loomis x f

>>7623656
Tomb King chads, in this general?
Nice

Same old in this thread, gonna once again ask people who wants to be discord friends, I will help you
>tfw still no friends

need text for the sign

>>7623747
Free palestine

>>7623747
Black lives matter

>>7623735
help with what? also I cant see a discord add/name ....

>>7623735
If you want to groom begsissies on discord you need to pyw, intdaddy.

>>7623748
no

>>7623747
3 inches or smaller free anal

>>7623755
$4.99 Palestine

>>7623747
Please, Don't be a creep

>>7623758
at least it would rhyme

>>7623753
With drawing.
Forgot to paste it. Discord: beggar194

>>7623748
>>7623758
kek

>>7623747
Great marketing my dude. But we don't draw, so the sign will stay empty

>>7623298
>>7623300
>Draws better heads than anyone else here.
>Putting permabegs like the schizo 20 feet under this harshly
BRVTAL
>>7623300
So all the loomis and feel the form is bullshit and you just memorized every single angle?

>>7623761
>"four dollars and ninety nine cents Palenstein"
?

The two wolves inside me are now that I've finished this commission do I study hyper moe illustration slop or big fat bara men and neither answer is good but they're the only forms of art in my heart

>>7623497
hamstring is a little low but the main issue is the proportions. front leg should be much larger and foreshortened, its about the same size as the bent leg, and the thigh and knee are even smaller. if you fix that the back leg will look more normal

>>7623799
*hamstring is a little too high on the bent leg

>>7623380
>Taking advice from perilnigger
You niggas cant
be serious.
>>7623535
>>7623546
BRVTAL mog. Whats your name mogger?

this humid weather is brutally murdering my will to draw jfc

>>7623784
nigga that IS loomis

>>7623793
Go with the Bara men, you're good at that. Do cool back shots.

>>7623810
Wtf thank you for the based bara peril... i love how it's immediately obvious it's me by the moeslop vs bara debate LOLL tysm for the support

line art is so boring
https://files.catbox.moe/gd1dp1.mp4

>>7623747

>>7623661
I honestly didn't. I'm pretty new to furry content

Any colored pencil tips? was gifted a pack of 36

>>7623670
That looks really cool

i can't torsos

>>7623830
aren't those crazy expensive

>>7623847
Google says around 38usd which isn't that expensive for 36

>>7622676 (OP)
>Draw the best hand I've drawn in months
>Realize it was the wrong one
PAIN

>>7623851
fair enough. I've seen some brands go for like 300€ for 72

>>7623855
You're probably looking at prismacolors or something high end at that price point

places for drawfags to have fun, maybe compete? i like doodling in itself, by myself, but making presentable stuff seems to require extra motivation, not sure if anons can relate.

>>7623857
yeah I also search for good places to share art

>>7623857
Drawgods are treated like royalty in /v/, /vg/, and other similar places dominated by nodraws on the 'chan if that's what you mean. Go to draw threads and try your hand at some requests if that's interesting to you
>compete
Dunno

Deerbro was right trad feels so much better

>>7623670
ryuGOD

>>7623821
nice job

>>7623830
cutie

>>7623836
keep it up its looking good

>>7623852
you using an ink pen?

>Hot summer day. The temperatures are reaching almost +15 degrees celsius

>>7623870
Yeah, just rapid sketching with a fountain pen. I find if I draw in pencil I linger on the drawing too long so drawing in pen lets me move on quickly whether the drawing came out shit or not

>>7623874
I got the brushpen mainly for that too, mostly inspuired be the brushpen anon in here but im still a bit intimidated to go quickly

TWYLA

>>7623878
I think the brush pen's lines are so strong that you have no choice but to slow down. With a thinner pen you can try and reinforce or redirect your lines by drawing over them with some success at least. I really like the guy with the cig and the colored girl btw

>>7623836
its fun to draw this
did another one too
(not a redline just for fun)

>>7623836
do more pls

>>7623870
TRAD SAVES THE DAY LOOKS GOOD

An experiment

>>7623870
>天
whats the implication of this kanji? good drawing btw
loving all this torso practice

>>7623896
thanks for the redline

the Kanji for Sky or Heaven representing Immortality in this case

>>7623871
That's not hot at all!

>>7623904
ah i see your intention with that. looks cool.
not really a red line desu im druk as fuck right now and wanted to draw your cool character. but if you think it looks good then by all means

>>7623905
It's warm weather in Finland when it's +10 :D

Warmup colored

Some people watching junk. It's hot as fuck out and no breeze today
>>7623912
Looks really cool. Are those alcohol markers?

>>7623905
Is her hand drawn backwards?

>>7623905
never draw females, shits difficult

>>7623915
Water based.

>>7623888
>do more pls
i have this from today but i'd have to wager a guess you're not interested in drawing girls

>>7623931
never say never
gonna give it a shot
(its gonna be awful though)

>>7623916
Yes...

>>7623871
Cyclops-chan looks adorable

>>7623870
Good shit anon
What makes trad feel much better? Cause I can somewhat relate but I can't really put my finger on it. You'd figure that the luxury of digital would outweigh it
Only thing that sucks is that I haven't found a thick comfy mechanical pencil cause I use a thick digital pen and it feels better than those slim pens

TradGODS are in charge today

>>7623938
Thank you! :D

>>7623931
10 mins of my life
just to fail this horribly
send help
https://files.catbox.moe/ar695f.mp4

https://x.com/wakako777_10/status/1938591770142765416
this reminded me of that one guy on here who spent a week asking how to draw those little loomis mannequins

>>7623909
It's so humid and hot where I live. I have hard time even drawing. I wish I had your weather finnbro

I'm a complete /beg/ going through the Natural Way of Drawing. What are things I can do after the contour, gesture, and (soon to be) cross gesture exercises for the day?

>>7623497
One foot should be in front of the other in this pose, but they appear to be on the same plane. (Unless she's about to roll her ankle)

I'm trying pixel brush and low res
only so I can maybe use pixelated backgrounds

>>7623977
My first try, just a quick drawing, trying to make it feel like she's part of the scene

>>7623979
wow this is gorgeous , i love this

>>7623940
its just more natural, its like i can actually feel myself put the lines down

hotpants are kinda cooool, have to draw more clothes...

Would it be a good exercise to draw a face on top of a picture of a skull?

>>7623977
>>7623979
This is so nice anon, are you making something with these? Or it is just stand alone pieces?

>>7624012
I'm so glad you keep posting here. You don't have any socials do you?
Could you draw your version of Meryl Silverburgh from Metal Gear Solid? I think that characters really fits your style.

>>7624028
>Meryl Silverburgh hm yeah I maybe draw her in the future, Oh and I have some socials, Deviantart and Baraag. Wolfenfirst on deviantart ( no I dont draw furrys god damn)

Where are all the schizos? This place feels so empty and lonely.. What's going on?

from all the things I've worked, digital inking is without a doubt the hardest.

>>7622765
cool work anon maybe add some purple or blue on the shadow.

>>7622787
the boobs are nice

>>7622795
keep going anon.

>>7622799
try using this settings for brush smoothing, they feel like the default csp stabilizer #6.

>>7623977
>>7623979
nice job dude

>>7624042
i finished my comm and now I can't draw right so I haven't posted any of today's shitty scribbles

>>7624066
Guess I'll post my shitty scribbles just to break the silence

>>7624076
>>7623326
>>7623250
>>7623553
These latest pieces are pretty high in artistic quality, anon. No gross or nasty stuff. Looks like from a different artist.

>>7624081
None of those drawings are well constructed or have appealing proportions

>had pre-registered for two courses from artists i might be interested in
>this evening get sent messages about them that are formatted almost the exact same way about what you'll see when you start the course, both offering the same discount and both open at the same time
i get they're automated emails but still feels kinda disingenuous to me

>>7624066
>>7624076
my shitty scribble entry.
But why post scribbles at this point.

>>7624081
thank you! glad you think so
>>7624090
they have no construction because I didn't use construction, those are the "sketches"
>>7624097
awesome stuff

>>7624097
quick masseter fix. It doesn't go over the zygomatic arch

i'll never make it

>>7624090
crabbing

>>7624102
im not goign to make it iether im too retarded for draw

>>7624102
Same
i hate doing construction so much it actively ruins drawing for me it's actually over
the moment I try using guidelines I recoil in disgust

Ahhh, that's better, things are more lively now. God bless our crabbos

>>7624102
I spent more than a day making a drawing. Only (you)'s I get are me samefagging

>>7624110
>Only (you)'s I get are me samefagging
duuuude..............

>>7624112
Couldn't be you aswell?

>>7624113
no that's sad...

>>7624110
You must be good then, only begs gets lots of (You)s from crabs here.

>>7624117
Haha. Yeah...

more anime like...mh drawing faces is so ....time consuming, but as I say I want to try it more often. still wonky...maybe head is too big

>>7624121
sex

>>7624126
what?

Mass reply anon needs to make a comeback so the poor (you) starved anons also get something

>>7624117
>>7624110
Crabs are terrified of /int/s, I noticed that too.

>>7624110
me too pal. and im in the banner half the time

>>7624132
There's just nothing to say to very good or very bad art.

>>7624134
The thread pic gets generated by a script and then gets some quick editing. It's meaningless (used to be a big deal).

>>7624137

>>7624137
It's over

>>7624102
i thought i have made it but i was wrong

>>7624104
Get better taste

Too high to keep going

>>7624156
the construction is bad but everything else is fine

>>7624160
ngmi

I got paid for my commission yayyyy

>>7624166
How much did you get paid

>>7624169
180usd :3333

>>7624172
How long did it take you do finish the commission anon

>>7624173
uhh I had a really busy few weeks so it's hard to tell exactly I just worked on it a lil bit each day for the past two weeks
i have another comm lined up but that one isn't like, pricey but it's cool either way because it'll be fun

>>7624177
Why do commissions then if you can draw for yourself and earn more by being a wagie

>>7624178
uhhh I can't find a job rn and also I like doing commissions honestly

>>7624181
>unemeployed
>NEET life
>commissions and grinding art
everytime
is being a degenerate NEET the secret to making it quick bros?

>>7624183
i suck so I haven't made it ppl just comm me for some reason desu

>>7624183
Define "making it". Commission work is worse than waging.

Practicing construction rn and I hate how ugly and unpostable this shit is

>>7624193
>drawing sexy anime babes all day
>making bank to eat outside at a restaurant everyday
>hot supportive GF, bonus points if cosplay
>be internet famous
>respected for being good at art
Thats what the gardevoir anon and jolteon guy do right

ok so my plan is to just grind construction until I get it and just not draw anything else until I do is that gonna work

>>7624204

Can't believe the pokemon humanizing brazilian bailed this place the first moment he got taste of fame

>>7624207
my current theory is I need to simplify more than construction already simplifies and work with basic shapes and work my way up because this shit ain't working

Day 6 after a year hiatus. How am I doing?

>>7624211
Who wouldn't?

>>7624217
How long have have you drawn before your hiatus?

>>7624211
i'm always here, i just don't post work
and my fame is over now, could barely help my family it's over

>>7624217
m-m-milf bro..?

>>7624222
The prodigal son returns. The hubris got to him...

attempts in hyper simplification

>>7624228
i failed bros

>>7624232
>>7624222
Traes vergüenza a tu familia, hijo

>>7624235
that's spanish

>>7624239
>>7624235
¡Ay, caramba!

>>7624232
No problemo amigo, let's start from the beginning again m'kay?
Alright, Fun with circles, lesson one...

>>7624172
pyw

>>7624245
i did, they were shitting on me like. 20 minutes ago

>>7624239
You spelled spamish wrong

>>7624232
You flew too close to the sun, but you weren't in the wrong for wanting to fly

>>7623537
thanks but I don't have an active blog at the moment
I used to post on this pixiv account in the past tho users/14735673

>>7624189
it's because you are a woman, kys

>>7624228
>>7624254
kek

>>7624257
i got a 50$ one recently and have a 35$ one coming up but those arent as big so

>>7624257
>kys
Why? He/she's getting comms

>50 smackaroos
>35 smackaroos
Nigga you might as well work at McDonald's for that amount of pay

>>7624265
yeah they're not much the guy who comes me for 180 was veri happi tho so that was nice
>>7624264
They hate me 4 no reason as always

>>7624257
>being a cute girl gets you easy comms

>>7624255
It took you 5 years maybe even more to get this good. Fuarking hell dude. at this rate I could be at your level in 2030 if stars align

>>7624268
Is a cute girl in the room with us right now?

>>7624268
>cute girl
no, a plain looking one will suffice

>>7624254
at least i can buy a new pc and play the new generation games
drawing is not for me

>>7624274
Did comms stop coming in?

>>7624274
>drawing is not for me
don't worry because talented rats are not exclusively good at drawing, they usually play in easy mode in whatever activity they do

>not being born with natures artistic boon of being a woman
ngmi

>>7624279
not entirely, yet...
but this social media shit is damaging to the brain, i just wanted to be a simple comics author

>>7624280
that couldn't be further from the truth

>>7624274
So that's it then? You're calling quits. What changed that wants to make you stop apart from the fame thing. Are you not having fun drawing or something

>>7624287
>Are you not having fun drawing or something
yeah, it's not fun when you do it for money, the fact that i need to keep growing in numbers is tiresome because it's something i can't control
i started because i wanted make a slice of life yuribait comic not to draw some genshin character getting fucked by a giant lion

>>7624281
>natures artistic boon of being a woman
no such thing, if anything you are missing the social value of having a vagina

>>7624269
the first years are the most frustrating
eventually you will improve

>>7624296
>eventually

trying to learn construction is like constant nails on a chalkboard bruh how the fuck do people do this while not becoming demoralized I hate this shit so much

>>7624220
a couple months at most

>>7624271
You would be surprised, literally.

>>7624293
you wont remember this, but I did try to warn you of this happening months ago. I told you this then:
>I hope he doesn't get hit with impostor syndrome and stop drawing. I used to have youtube channel some years ago and I had little series that got about million views per episode. I stopped because it was too sudden and I just abandoned the whole thing. I really hope tomboyfag doesn't have similar fate

>I hope you'll be able to integrate your OC stuff and not just forced to do the gimmick.

I really did hope you wouldn't have similar fate as me

>>7624306
i remember
my OC posts were going pretty well, i thought it was going to be able to integrate her but i don’t know if twitter is sabotaging me or something now

>>7624305
what do you mean

>bugger off ye bastard. I'm trying to get a photo of me drawing here

I wonder how i can make the hair more stylistically consistent with the body

how bad would only doing construction practice from porn be for learning?

>>7624328
>how AWESOME would be only doing construction practice from porn for learning!
ftfy

>>7624332
Ok then I'm only using porn I don't care anymore trying to do something I hate while looking at something as understimulating as line of action is suifuel

>>7624327
this better?

>>7624313
Bro got shadow banned...

>>7621154
why the fuck do I always end up making horse faces when I do an initial contour of a study

>>7624342
contour is just problematic like that unfortunately

>>7624342
Raise your drawing plane angle by getting a desk easel. Your perspective is being distorted is my guess

>>7624345
do you think blind contouring is a meme? in terms of practicing observational skills

>>7624348
I think I have one laying around somewhere that I forgot about, thanks for the suggestion

>>7624349
i think it's fucked me up unironically yeah not that it's a meme it's but contour drawing is basically all that I do because I don't use construction and it's led me into a trap of where I have a very mismatched skill set now so I recommend not spending too much time on any of that stuff and just going straight to construction work as soon as you can so you don't get fucked like me

>>7624338
i like OP's better, sorry

>>7624342
>died from face face elongation
Ohh I'm laffing. Almost shared his fate there

>>7624352
>contourfags telling me to stick with construction
>constructionfags telling me to first develop observational skills by studying contours
who do I believe bros

>>7624355
i think your contours look good enough to start new things

flattening seems to look better but there are uneven blotches that piss me off
I've got an idea

>>7624353
op is me

>>7624354
oh fuck kek the reference I was studying had the gamma turned down, on this one I can finally see what each curl and fold is meant to represent
thanks for providing the actual image

>>7624357
i like op then

>>7624356
hmm I’ll keep your warning in mind then, I haven’t actually started constructing basic forms out of shapes yet since I’m still focused on my line work, any boxes I do attempt still have curved vertices/not rotated correctly etc
trying to visualise in 3D is fucking me up hard but if you think it’s best to start soon regardless then I’ll stick through it

I wonder if I'll make it to the next OP... not that it means much these days

Next OP should be a eulogy for tomboyfag since it sounds like he's on the verge of roping.

>>7624375
qrd on brazilian tomboyfag?

>>7624375
Yooo. Bro chill

>>7624274
>In less than 5 months goes from prebeg to int
>Gets more followers and likes in a single post than anyone else in this shithole could hope for in their whole careers
>Easily mogs vastly more soulful anons like the Touhoufag who drew Ren last thread or the Fatefag who only draws tits while being just a few months old compared to their decade-spanning careers
>Has been making comms nonstop with more luck than most artists who have to beg for them
>"Omg woe is me because I couldnt get a 5 thousand dollar a month patreon drawing my generic tanned tomboyslut in a white void"
>"I actually have to draw for others to make money with art"
>"The calamity!"
>"Drawing is not for me"
You fucking talentniggers get everything handed to you in a silver platter and still find it less than enough while others will keep chasing their whole life for not even a tenth of your success.
Fuck you.

I came up with a more realistic game plan that I'll grind construction for a month and just only draw my ocs in the free time to evade burnout instead of drawing the random doodle stuff even if they get more positive reception because I need to learn construction or I'm squandering everything

>>7624375
No, the humiliation ritual shouldn't spare anyone. You don't post your shit here without consequences. That's the OP's image function.

why is the favela monkey replying to himself again

>>7624377
Hubris

It's ok tomboyfag lets art doom together just you and me bc im dooming like crazy rn too

>>7624380
>Fatefag who only draws tits
who

mildly afraid that my disability is actually neutering me from being able to learn things and this goes further than laziness and a mental block and is something i can't change

>>7624380
thanks for making everything sound funny

>>7624380
A peasant who gets to be the king for a day. Wont then be a able to handle the life of a peasant

Maybe you could say it would have been better to never have gotten to taste the better life

I am scared of drawing.

>>7624399
im scared my brain damage is stopping me from getting good at drawing

>>7624399
i'll rape your ass, draw

>>7624389
>this goes further than laziness and a mental block
like what?

>>7624404
I am wondering if my clinical lack of spatial awareness (I can't stand straight, can't do basic balancing tasks, struggle with motor functions) is affecting my ability to perceive 3d forms

>>7624406
>the untalent was real all the time

>>7624407
i think I may be the least talented person alive

>>7624406
pyw

>>7624409
At least you have a starter level of talent. What about no talent fags?

>>7624406
hello I suffer from the same clumsy retard syndrome
I don't draw but I don't think that's the reason for it either, I think I'm just lazy

>>7624412
I don't even think I have that I can't figure out what the fuck I'm doing no matter what I try, may be in the negative talent the category
I literally cannot perceive construction and structures in 3d no matter what I do
it just won't work
it feels like I'm blind

>>7624413
Do you have a neurological disease or just dyspraxic? mine is generalized motor and neurological
I don't think it's the dyspraxic related symptoms that are causing a problem. I think it's the same thing that's causing me to struggle with spatial awareness and balance and standing and all of that stuff. So more neurological than anything else
I can't stand upright for more than a couple of minutes because I have no core balance and I'm wondering if that's affecting my ability to also keep figures stable or make them cohesive because I have no internal sense of balance

>>7624417
I haven't been diagnosed with anything, hence why I'm calling it clumsy retard syndrome, but most of the honest people who are close to me make some kind of remark on how it doesn't seem like my mind is connected to my body, my equilibrioception doesn't seem to be bad until I have to exert myself or do compound movements (like when carrying things, navigating tight areas, and apparently drawing)
I think all of this comes down to me having to spend excessive cognitive energy on performing basic tasks instead of some unconscious motor/neurological condition, it's probably just autism desu

>>7624406
I will beat you with a stick if you are deerfag.

>>7624422
it absolutely is exactly what you're thinking of that. you're getting a lot more fatigue than you think because when you have to expend extra energy into certain motor functions, you don't realize how actually grating it is and how normal people don't have to deal with that. if your motor stuff is severe enough, it's not autism like spatial awareness can be, but if you're suffering from anything like tremors or drop foot or anything anatomical like that, it's something else
but yeah, you don't really realize how grating it is and how much it affects you until you actually sit down and examine it and compare it to how normal people live
>>7624423
I've been trying construction for months at this point and still don't get it and can't really fathom it or piece it together in any functional way

>>7624423
too easy

>Mexican artist I follow just announced he celebrated his 18th birthday
>He just keeps mogging all of his settled in mutuals and making amazing work I feel hopeless even looking at.
>Keeps posting about how he wants to learn something (fisheye perspective this time) and applies it properly within a week
Brothers I am very tired. I am legit on the verge of tears.
I cant even get hard from how sad I am.

>>7624424
You dont need any of that faggot shit. Your works already show a fuckton of talent and boxes and construction and shit are for people who have to measure their work against reference over and over,
You unironically never needed it.

>>7624426
the most important thing this general has taught me is that comparison really is the thief of joy, or however the saying goes
every single one of you motherfuckers that follows other artists and has social media pages are utterly miserable nodraws on the verge of taking a long walk off a short pier

>>7624429
I keep getting A lot of criticism for not using construction and being told that the construction in my work is bad which is why I'm so fixated on it and getting so stuck, I wish that was true but if I keep on getting critiqued on it then it must be the crucial error. I appreciate this though

>>7624431
I draw but I am horrible at it.
I follow other artists because I like seeing what they post when it isnt causing me existential pain.
I have a page because I have small circles of people I like being in contact with.
How the fuck cant I keep comparing myself when everyone is better than me?
If I am at rock fucking bottom then just looking a bit up will show me how far everyone else is.
I just want to be good.

>>7624435
>How the fuck cant I keep comparing myself when everyone is better than me?
literally stop using social media, I don't follow any artists and I've never been demotivated by someone else's ability

>>7624426
yeh, talented rats are the worst of the worst. Just inconsiderate and selfish mother fuckers.

>>7624432
You are like a carp struggling to put on a lifejacket. All you need is to spend more than 30 seconds in each drawing.
>>7624438
Becuase you arent trash like me.

God please grant me talent.
I dont want thousands of followers, I dont want fortunes in commissions, I dont want fame and numbers.
I just want to stop hating every single disgusting piece of dogshit I struggle to make.

>>7624442
if you're the schizo that posts pages of quick figure sketches then reaching your ability to capture gesture and sketch it out quickly is one of the targets I'm aiming for, I have your drawings saved anon (in the least threatening way possible)

>>7624444
Nah, he is far better than me.

>>7624445
in either case, stop following other intermediate artists
and I use the term "following" very specifically, you can look at other intermediate artists' drawings, but stop following their PROGRESS over a given period of time; that is what you are comparing, not their actual technical ability or style in their work
if you want to kill yourself because BiancaDrawsButts managed to draw more appealing poses over the course of a couple months while you've been working on perspective then all you have to do is realise that you're not doing constructive analysis of their work, you're comparing your progress to that artists' progress over the same timeframe (which has so many variables to consider that it's not worth considering at all)
just draw retard

>>7624447
It hurts being talentless.
I also want to be good.
>just draw retard
It is becoming painful to draw with negative results.
>>7623300
>>7623299
>>7623298
Just looking at beautiful stuff like this makes me want to cut my hands off.

>>7624449
idk I'm done replying if picrel doesn't make you want to pick up a pen and help you realise that you're being silly then you really should quit

>>7624452
I am just tired of being constantly mocked and ridiculed and not getting anywhere and every drawing being a struggle session.
I want to draw but I have negative talent for it.
I am tired of seeing others enjoy what I can never have.
I pet the dog and the dog bites me.

>>7624222
>>7624274
Are you really willing to give up and throw all away your ideals and dreams?
Are you really willing to say goodbye to the thing that you trained so hard in, all because you didn't get numbers?
You can still draw that manga, you can still draw your Shiragi. Don't give up.

>>7624463
People who easily get what they want also easily give it up.

>>7624464
Don't listen to them Nihu... If you ever come back to drawing, I'll be here waiting, drawing.

>>7624340
It's not shadow banning. Just content getting too repetitive/stale for the target audience. It happens more now with AI rampant so people are looking for more interesting and unique pictures.

>>7624463
the main problem is that i'm much more of an author than an artist. my creativity for art is much less than for stories, i don't know what else to invent to draw, i feel like out of ideas
but that's okay the main problem is that I NEED numbers for comics, well at least if i want readers or something

Doing the pseudoscience workbook. Gotta start somewhere

>>7624471
based truebeg gmi

>>7624470
Brother. You only draw anime girl showing feet in white void. There is no story there and the story you had already shown earlier was just daily life of a generic e-thot.
There is no soul there.

>>7624471
mogs me

>>7624473
yeah, i have no creativity for that
i even tried some bgs

>>7624475
So what story do you even want to tell?

I'm bored...

>>7624477
i don't know how to tell a story in a simple image, that's why i need a whole comic
btw i don't have the skill to drawd something more advanced

>>7624479
I am asking you
"What do you want to tell. What is the plot. Who are the characters"
You have an idea of what you are going to write, right?

>>7623299
what possibly could've clicked for you in Xiao Weichun's book? Seems like an even more autistic version than loomis unironically.

are you actually drawing a box and then a skull everytime or am I misunderstanding this book

>>7624484
talentless spotted.

>>7624481
it's a story about a girl who can't find a normal job so she has to deal with paranormal stuff, it was meant to be easy to make just as a test so it's just a slice of life
i have more complicated stuff i don't even know which one i should make, i can give more details when i wake up

>>7624487
does she get her feet tickled by a poltergeist at some point

>>7624487
That's not a "simple test" at all. Seems like some Mike Mignola style of project. You should save that one for later, and try another much more simple story. Like the girl or dude has just ONE bad day at work. You can even come up with the ending first, something fun to be a satisfying conclusion and work your way back into the beginning. I could be 4 or 5 pages, 10 max.

>>7624487
Nigga just draw random pics for a while.
You dont need full pages filled with complex panelling. Even a single picture can tell a lot with some characters and a good background.

>>7624463
Utter to me what you think the ideal is

>>7624510
My ideals? Or his?
Mine are simple: I want to make pictures and tell stories that make stop and say "Ahh...now this is beautiful."
I want them to make them feel my emotion with same sense of magic and inspiration that I felt when looking at art myself.
I'm not sure about his ideals though, maybe it's the same...?

Aizagate

need someone to tear into my slop and tell me what needs improvement. i have ideas of what i can practice but a concrete critique might be nice

im a summerfag. whos tomboy guy someone post his work

>>7624530
The colors and hair I'd say

I am pre-/beg/ but what I want to draw is not people but environments and alien monsters
How do I do something like that? Books seem mostly focused on drawing people.

>>7624530
HER right arm is turbo fucked and the hips need work because her left leg appears out of her stomach and her right leg doesnt have proper curvature on the short opening.
Maybe it is personal preference but I think her breasts are too low and you should show her braless.
Other than that coom/10. I am stealing it for reference, thanks sucker.

When I look back at the art ive tried to do I realized I can't learn the fundamentals.

>>7624536
pyw

>>7624537
If I do that, then people are gonna tell me
>read xy and z books
And then thats as far as my effort can take me
I like drawing. Reading these books on the nature of drawing fucking sucks ass and I never focus on them for any meaningful period of time

>>7624549
pyw

>>7624342
>>7624354
bros I think I'm beginning to improve
I would like some critique on the side of chrysippus the third that's facing the viewer, idk what I did wrong (other than the angle of his shit-eating grin) but it looks wrong and I'm not sure why

what if the answer to drawing difficult angles and poses is to just not draw them

>>7624557
Alright then

>>7624295
I'm sure he meant that

>>7624271
I know there is

>>7624590
how did he know?

any footfags willing to help me make the feet better? i suck at feet
any other crit also appreciated before i move on to finalizing the lineart and rendering

>>7622676 (OP)
Damn what a shit...

>>7624534
very true. and yeah the hips and legs are something i struggle with especially, its a mess down there. gonna do some studies and try to learn it out

>>7624526

First time on this board, very new to art.

>>7624611
>Very new to art but still mogs me
It's over

>>7624526

>>7624449
>beautiful stuff
Thanks fren.

Just remember, with perseverance we all gonna make it.

>>7624032
>tfw no twitter
RiP

>>7624623
never used twitter/X not sure if I can post my stuff there ...?

>>7624594
it was good feet and hand practice

>>7624611
Lying nigga

>>7624217
I never understand construction with a reference.

>>7624643
Its good thanks for the help
Cant help but wonder if the feet are different sizes tho, one looks a little bigger than the other. Am I tripping?

>>7624611
welcome, you got any socials?

>>7624611
Nice monochrome style, love that. Keep going anon rooting for you

>>7624655
Foot closer to camera is slightly bigger due to how close he looks to the camera.

>>7624656
Yep it is. It looked like he was close to the camera so I made the foot closer to us slightly bigger to than the tucked foot. Feel free to adjust as you like, cute boy btw.

>>7624667
Ah I see. I don't think the difference would be that noticable with that slight difference so I'll probably keep them close to equal size. But it definitely helps to see how you drew the hands and feet. I think I drew them a little too stiff/bland (hate drawing feet mostly, might need to do a few studies).
Thanks again

I think I know how to construct more than I think I just find it extremely physically painful to do so I just don't do it it's like it takes me 40x times the brain power of regular drawing how the fuck do I fix this

>>7623649
I think I figured it out. Just draw a regular helmet in whatever way you want and add ears and muzzle. I was overthinking it.

>>7624668
I always just look at my own or take photos, it helps a lot to do even a few studies for the specific piece you're working on

>>7624676
If my hands and feet werent so mangled I could do that lol. My joints are super flexible so any pose I do just looks weird. And my hands are burnt too rip

>>7624572
Based Makima enjoyer

>>7624677
Holy same. my hands are too mangled to use as references

>>7624677
Whats your socials? I like Hunter x Hunter so it's always nice to see, I'll keep an eye on you fren

>>7624685
I don't really post much these days but this is my pixiv ID
users/109915143

>>7624655
I did it because I need to train my spreadsheet and keyboard brain/hands to think in 3D and “feel da forms”. I think my basic gesture sketches are passable due to abstraction but anything I try to finish in earnest feels stiff and boxy. Maybe I shouldn’t use boxes so much, but I struggle to draw spheres and map lines on them to suggest volume plus general issues with draftsmanship and lines. Pic related is from 3 days ago where I didn’t focus as much on construction and just sketched on my couch.

Anyway, blogpost over. If any /int/s or /gmi/chads have advice I’d be happy to hear

cmon c'mon c'mon

>>7624693
boxes are good for joints but long limbs and torso/pelvis should be more rounded in construction
t. started drawing like two weeks ago so probably don't listen to me

>>7624696
>boxes are good for joints but long limbs and torso/pelvis should be more rounded in construction
it's the opposite

>>7623535
I will redraw the skull, thanks.

>>7624614
>that symbol
I knew Aiza was that type of girl...

>>7624705
yeah you better
or else I'll kick your ass

>>7624709
Oh no. I thought Aiza was good girl

how do you construct legs? I'm getting somewhere with torsos but attaching the legs to the pelvis is throwing me off

>>7624738
You need additional pylons, duh

>>7624745
I need a lobotomy

aiza my beloved

>>7624493
hey that's a nice idea

>>7624498
i thought it was a simple test compared to more complex stuff i have but yeah i could make even more simple, but i don't know if someone would be interested

>>7624503
i'm trying that

I've also figured out that one of my biggest mental blocks about using construction is that I hate using an eraser and I tend to draw everything at once rather than having any lines that I have to erase, which is something that I just need to break the habit of by erasing as much as possible or like repeating the same line again and again until I get used to it because I can't continue accepting mediocrity like an autist

plz critique. ive been told by multiple people that the characters i draw look cross-eyed, so let me know if you have tips for drawing eyes.

>>7624754
How many years have you been drawing for?

fixes

>>7624756
im afraid to answer that. about 4 years i think.

>>7624754
>>7624760
The most brutal blackpill

>>7624753
>accepting mediocrity like an autist
anon autism would be repeating the same line over and over again until it exactly matches with the reference

>>7624752
you didn’t answer my question
does she get her feet tickled by a poltergeist at some point

>>7624754
cross eyes are cute

>>7624760
>4 years
For that?

>>7624760
No fucking way. 4 years for this. You are not even trying to improve are you. This is going to sound harsh, but you need to hear this. Your face proportions make no sense and your anatomy is barebones af especially crotches. You don't even attempt shading or rendering. You are borderline prebeg

>>7624765
no but i can make that happen

>>7624760
4 years of consistent drawing or 4 years of drawing when I feel like it?

Would you rather draw for fun for 4 years and suck at it but have hope for the future
or
Draw for half a year, get 10k likes on a coombait pic, quickly fall off and lose your passion to draw forever? You also live in a favela.

Brazil bro should just keep going for the money but also just straight up trace from ai and shit to save time

>>7624776
mostly when i feel like it. i used to be able to draw more consistently when i was on the night shift.
>>7624771
my old drawings are worse. i try to make each drawing a little bit better than the last one. i have never been shit on this hard before, so i was not under the impression that i have been majorly fucking up.

>>7624792
Whos brazil bro

>>7624779
happiness is always more important, sadly i have cronic depression and can't feel it

>>7624799
>cronic
What did he mean by that

>>7624801
i mean chronic

Doc, I... I can't feel the appeal. Be real with me, am I gonna make it?

>>7624486
if I was talented I wouldn't need the book in the first place, hence my question

Just draw bros...I'm...I'm fading

>>7624814
Draw NOW or it'll be too late.

I wanna draw but instead i have to attend this stupid BBQ. Cant draw tomorrow either cuz stupid family shit
How do I recover from this

>>7624819
You can't. It's time to quit.

>>7624819
take a sketchbook with you?

>>7624805
utage?

>>7624814
Is there any success stories of this "Just draw method" actually working. Have any anons in here actually gotten better by doing it?

>>7624819
take a sketchbook and do some life drawing

>>7624827
you literally cannot succeed if you don't put in the work.
you're not going to shit out a rembrandt by thinking about doing it.

>>7624709
>>7624736
>>7624749
Not even Aiza

>>7624823
>>7624828
I dont draw trad. Its over

>>7624752
>i could make even more simple, but i don't know if someone would be interested
Wrong approach. That's why you're doing a simple idea, because YOU KNOW before hand that you will suck. And you need these blank shots to get used to the comic medium and format in an effective way, without getting burnt in the process. You need the most simplest of ideas possible, do several 4 pages (or even less) "one of" stories till you get a consistency, not so much in "artistic skill and style" but at how you put the comic together in clear and easy steps every time without losing your mind.
It doesn't matter if people are "interested" or not. You're doing it to acquire the "know how", so you can have a good shot at it when it matters.

i had a talk with my mom about my struggle with construction and fundamentals and she told me bluntly that it's because I hate doing things I'm not naturally good at but I'm never going to escape amateur if I don't force myself to learn it and get through the discomfort. thanks mom

>>7624831
why not?

>>7624833
> it's because I hate doing things I'm not naturally good at
this is why i dont paint lol

>>7624832
oh i see, i'll try that, i also need to finish the comic course i was doing

>>7624833
Mommy's gotta go

>>7624830
Right, Aiza is the one with the headband. Who's the other one?

>>7624850
Uzura. I definitely didn't look it up from the archive

>>7624843
my mom said it's why I don't do construction and it's why I'm struggling rather than anything to do with my neurological disease and basically I'm just being lazy and frustrated rip me
>>7624848
she was right to be honest

All moms are crabs. Never ask for their advice.

>>7624860
Sorry to break it to you, but mom had it coming

>>7624484
No of course not, but it helps to "feel" the skull even if you're not drawing it. Then when you're drawing anime heads which are alien skulls you understand why everything is where it is better. Plus it feels more "3D", since again you understand where it is on the imaginary "skull" instead of just putting stuff down on a 2D plane just because "the eyes should go here"

>>7624870
moms... amirite?