Thread 7629026

appeal is more important than skill

>>7629026 (OP)
pic not related?

>>7629026 (OP)
Appeal is a skill.

Why don't you have either?

Sage

>>7629026 (OP)
Pic unrelated?
This neither has skill nor appeal.

>>7629027
>>7629136
saying that is funny when the guy has 100k+ followers.

>>7629226
And? Is he getting $100,000 per month?

>>7629227
For that slop I doubt it?
I've seen artists with barely 15k followers make 100k though

>>7629026 (OP)
When it comes to the public, I agree. It's very funny to see people in here trying to cope by telling themselves there *needs* to be more to it. "NOOOOO but le fundieeess". Of course, skill is important too and can help you in making more appealing art, but /ic/ fags turned the grind into their whole personality.

>>7629227
is your goal to make 100k a month from art?

>>7629234
All that matters is what you want out of your own art. The guy you posted hasn't improved in years but I'm sure he's happy with that

>>7629239
wait a minute...

>>7629242
He? My brother in Christ *I* am happy with that. His art is perfect as it is.

>>7629242
Also, in terms of fundies what is wrong with his art? It may be a very simple style, but everything looks technically right to me.

>>7629250
the anon just hates sovl maxing art and trash on it for getting so much attention compare to his shit.

>>7629250
>>7629252
Sorry just not a fan of traced 3d bodies even if the head and hair are on model

>>7629257
not of a fan of it either, but I don't complain about it and get mad people like it. Focusing on your own art is better that way.

>>7629262
I wasn't complaining or getting mad

https://x.com/lowgradef/media
>1k+ a month for this
I will never listen to /ic/ again

>>7629272
How do you know it's 1k?

>>7629274
can't you dumbfucks do anything?

>>7629276
Oh I thought you meant from Twitter from revenue

>>7629026 (OP)
twitter trannies will literally enjoy anything
scott pilgrim-esque also does very well on xitter
such is life

>>7629026 (OP)
Better than 97 Percent of /ic/

>>7629353
twitter is 80% of all internet art so its a pretty good deal

>>7629026 (OP)
You're right, but poorly drawn anime girls isn't that guy's appeal. It's poorly drawn anime girls in viral comics. If you just draw girl in void it's not going to get traction for shit unless it's good.

you're doing it wrong if you're spending all your time learning to draw better rather than learning WHAT to draw better
i couldn't care less how poorly something is drawn if the substance is interesting
the most beautifully drawn 1girl, white background, one-off character may as well just be AI made

>>7629498
that post got him 42k likes

>>7629783
Yes if you have enough of a following they'll stick around for your dogshit posts, your point being?

there's no point comparing yourself to artists like this. He was just lucky, the rules don't apply to some people in life because they can do nothing and still win while you do everything and lose. It's best to stick to principles and take the safe and reliable path to success, you can't jut expect anything good to happen for free, you have to grind for it

>>7629798
It wasn't luck. Maybe at the start it was, but him milking off of his own fame and getting even more famous still takes a bit of brains and work.

>>7629798
he's is funny, most people aren't

>>7629788
>>7629026 (OP)
They both made a comic

>>7629276
Holy shit based as fuck

If he can make it, anyone can

>>7629250
>>7629252
unappealing colors, shitty lineart, literraly no background not even a little shape or some shit
There are people doing mspaint drawings with flat colors way better than this
I hope you guys are making up that this guy has 100k followers this is some shit that you would see on deviantart with 10 likes

>>7629276
379 retards. I can't bring myself to do this... it would bring shame to my family

>>7629853
>>7629855
>unappealing colors, shitty lineart, literraly no background not even a little shape or some shit
That's why he has 100k and you isn't. His art is actually funny and looks distinct from most slop out there. He's unironically safer from AI than you

>>7629856
>He's unironically safer from AI than you
I don't share my work online, someone could LORA his shit.(maybe his work is traced AI? who knows)

>>7629853
he has fans because he's funny
his art is also just serviceable enough to not be offensive to the eyes. he knows to play to tropes of what people like when it comes to making cute characters
him also having bad art makes him kind of interesting to follow because he has gotten better
much better artists have also found him and drawn his characters giving him more attention

but again, he's got fans because he's funny

>>7629891
You can't 100% lora this, not even close enough to make it indistinguishable

>>7629853
I was talking about the one I posted (>>7629234), not OP

>>7629226
What I said is still right. This has neither appeal nor skill.

>>7629226
I doubt there is a direct correlation between skill and amount of followers. There are a ton of YT channels with millions of subs that just do basic react shit and you will never even know about them.
Same with accounts that just repost reddit r 4chan shitposts or furry artist accounts.

>>7629898
The message is to become a clown?

>>7629026 (OP)
So, how to improve appeal, anon?

>>7631658
its to be entertaining

The hardest pill to swallow is you don't have to be a good draftsman to make it big. The only thing keeping you from fame is your ability to entertain, be funny, make interesting stories with your drawings. If you are here, there's a big chance you are autistic and boring in real life, so it's natural you are the same in art.

>>7631710
>be funny

>Draw like a fucking dog.
>It's funny.
Makes sense.

This thread is just bait after bait. I see /ic/ is dead.

>>7631728
>t.

>>7629026 (OP)
>>7629226
He's a guy who makes funny comics. Are you really so retarded you think his appeal is art skill?

>>7631710
this, /ic/ is full of people who not only hate drawing, but hate being creative at all. so many fucking threads of "how do I get big in art without drawing every day and without having stories to tell?" like wtf? Your only option at that point is to copy CSR, and the blueprints for that are already laid out! The fundies and rendering are the EASY part, its being creative and funny which is the MAIN SOURCE OF STRESS FOR ARTISTS

>>7631728
exhibit A

>>7631710
There's a huge reason why most of the anons here would stop coming/posting their art here once they blew up, when autistic fags like these >>7631728
>>7631658
>>7629498
make up 80% of the board's population .

>>7631736
>>7631910
>>7631913
Beglets without skills outing themselves as beglets without skills.
You guys are adorable.

>>7631710
>>7631798
There are artists here worse than him, if you post a picture from OP and post it to /beg/ they will say it's crap, quality does not equal popularity

>>7631913
Are you confirming that you want others to draw the crap from the op post and be clowns?

>>7631937
Bruh, you see a guy who makes entertaining comics that people love and cry "c-crap work h-he is a c-clown", your mindset is unironically what keeps you down, you are choking on copium, instead of learning useful life lessons.

>>7631930
What's adorable is you think calling someone beglet on /ic/ has any power and proves you right or passes for insult. You're in self imposed mental prison and smirk at anyone outside your cell.

>>7631930
>>7631937
>autistic screeching
thanks for proving my point.

>>7631946
>>7631950
>>7631961
Well yeah, why do people study perspective? Why do they study anatomy? You can just draw something like this, or like Chris chan, people will still love it and you yourself, why learn to draw then?

>>7631950
Thanks to this mental prison, thanks to this some here have gone beyond the level of shit from deviant art, but you are a slop eater so you don't care, people like you don't appreciate beauty

>>7631970
>>7631965
Then “learn” to draw and focus on yourself instead of seething about “muh bad taste everywhere” when someone is making money with their art and not you. You rather do that than actually draw. You faggots are the reason why the board’s skill level gets worse each year.

he's cool and likable, his stuff is funny and the ms paint aesthetic is endearing to a lot of people

many of you need to get over yourselves

>>7631974
I initially said that people here draw better than the shit from the op, you started talking nonsense about concentrating on garbage and shitty art for the sake of popularity, are you unironically defending this shit just because of its popularity?

>>7631985
Well, how about it, is it cool? Funny? Or crap?

>>7631974
You also answer>>7631988
here is the result of leaving the mental prison, has it become better? At least don't lie to yourself

>>7631988
its lame and pathetic
because you are resentful and boring

read how to win friends and influence people or something because what you are doing is making you an unlikable loser

>>7631993
This is a level OP drawing, you're a retard

>>7631986
More like it shouldn’t affect your life and you should focus on your own goals to improve yourself instead of other people. you and most of the autistic fags here waste so much of your time on others that no shit you’ll still suck at art or never reach your goals.

>>7631994
you are not an artist because you dont understand what moves people
if you want to be autistic about form you should work with wood or something
quality craftsman deserve a tremendous amount of respect

>>7631995
I understand that you are changing the subject, because you yourself understand that there are those who draw better than him, you praise him for a joke and not a drawing, confirming that he draws crap

>>7631998
People from his audience are driven by slop, is it necessary to draw slop? And why should you, artists, draw slop if people appreciate them? Chris Chan sincerely drew his shit

>>7631710
this is what pisses the most off about some artists, I will never understand how someone could be an amazing draftsman and fail to make it big. maybe it's like that Fujimoto Look Back one-shot, to get really good at a young age perhaps that means you must sacrifice gaining actual life experience.

>>7631998
What a faggit take. Why do YOU draw? Do you even take pride in your work to want to improve? Sure, you can have 100k followers posting
>muh funny memes
but these people will consume your stuff like shit out of a monkey's ass. They'll giggle, scroll, and no one will get anything out of it except for a cheap laugh. You'll look at yourself, five years from now, knowing that you haven't done jack shit, haven't worked hard for anything, never improving your craft because you'd rather take the easy way. Literally an art prostitute

>>7632006
>You'll look at yourself, five years from now, knowing that you haven't done jack shit
Like what you’re doing? Rather seethe about shit that doesn’t affect your life instead of drawing.

>>7632006
pride is a sin
I have dignity

you are prideful and undignified
its actually very vulgar to seethe in resentment over someone's success making funny stuff for funny people

>>7632012
Don't compare the slop he's talking about and the stuff in the op. Those who care improve their drawing

>>7632014
I'm just saying that these drawings are crap, anons draw better here, you're retarded and constantly steal this

>>7631988
Add a racist joke or "the joke is sex" punchline

>>7632017
yes
many people draw better than this artist

do you think anyone believes otherwise?

>>7632020
You defend this shit because "hahaha this is funny", to hell with fun, to hell with drawing your own OCs until you are a drawing teacher, otherwise your drawings will be shit and those who like them will be shit eaters.

>>7632025
enjoy having aspergers, being disliked by anyone with anything interesting going on and failing at life lol

>>7631974
>seething
Mocking begs without taste isn't exactly seething anon.

>>7632031
Eat slop, the quality of the drawings is the same

>>7632028
Don't project, beautiful drawings still get their appreciation, as does the slop from the op, unfortunately, you sound like a normie

>>7632043
yes
of course they do

the world is big enough for all kinds of expressions, including funny ms paint comics made by someone from [s4s]
obviously that doesn't have to be your market or something relevant to you at all

being an artist that dedicates themselves to refining their craft absent considerations of popularity and acclaim is an admirable thing
you are not such a person and I know this because you are malding on 4chan about someone not being very good at drawing on a technical level finding success on other merits when nobody is under the impression otherwise
you desperately want to be seen
"it should have been me!"

>>7632014
>>7632012
I am a begtard. I have a lot to learn. I become excited, knowing that there is much to learn and improve. I want my art to look good. I want my art to display my hard work, even if no one finds amusement or entertainment in it. Ultimately, I do not care if other people's art is slop or not. But I have eyes, and I will always admire people who will take the hard road.

This is a study from imagination. I see many mistakes. I will fix it and become better in five years from now.

>>7632061
keep up the good work :)
your eyes correctly identify amateurish ms paint drawings same as everyone else's

it is a blunder to refuse yourself the understanding of what kind of merit can be expressed in a limited, even goofy format
you obviously don't have to share the same path but obstinately refusing it any charity and making it an object of resentment will become a major stumbling block in your development if not corrected

much of what I have said can be seen as very mean but if anything is remembered from this conversation I would like it to be that pride is considered the deadliest of the sins for a reason

Godspeed

>>7631988
Hahaha nigga you think you are proving anything, but the only thing you are proving is you are an autistic hack who has no creativity. If you wanted to make an epic gotcha, you'd create a hilarious stick man comic that tells a story or at least makes a joke. Your pic is unironically the best you can do. You may improve technically, but deep inside it will still be a pointless stickman in a void. You have nothing to say to the world but spew vitriolic babble

>>7631965
Draw whatever you want, you may become the best xerox in the world, you may draw full anatomy and perspective books from memory, nobody cares if your personality is being a boring sperg who pisses and shits himself from anyone more successful and less skilled. Get some life experience, find or think up some stories to tell with your drawings. Or be a perpetually buttmad snob. I know which one you are choosing. Your shit character is your downfall.

>>7632084
SOOO FUCKING FUNNY MY MENTAL PRISON IS BREAKING RAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHH

>>7632094
Now put tits on them, make a hundred more racist jokes and go conquer social media instead of being butthurt on /ic/

>>7632094
kind of funny
keep it up

>>7632101
>>7632104
thanks anons! I have learned and grown a lot by making this!

>>7632139
That bastard. That subtle smirk towards the viewer in the last panel. He knows what he's done.

>>7632139
>>7632094
If you weren't so fucking autistic. you would be able to get people to like your stuff. You have a horrid personality and seethe at those that are successful.

>>7632139
not too bad desu
unironically you should make a point of spending some time developing humorous scenarios a few times a week
you did 2 pretty okay ones kind of being put on the spot so you're def capable
if you're serious about being a artist professionally it will help you in ways you might not realize down the line
we are all born into a divine comedy

something you may not know about the artist in question is that they have developed a caste of original characters and a couple of their most popular characters are genuinely very funny
thats a talent/skill of its own

>anon could make it big but instead chooses to waste his time screeching at others on 4chan
Sad. Many such cases

>>7632183
Dude, art is fun for me because I can learn new techniques. I'm not giving that up to chase an audience I can't relate too; and I'm not posting my work in hopes of making it big because they'll get used as "reference" by the already popular artists.

>>7629026 (OP)
>>7629276
why are you complaining? that seems based as fuck. if anything it should motivate you to do the same- or at least try to actually draw more

Funny thing is he does draw better than 90% of /ic/
Even without humor he is still making art that is cute and fun to look at. If you think>>7629026 (OP) is the same level as>>7629788 you are retarded

>>7629026 (OP)
True, but the more skill you have the better you can both understand appeal and have the knowledge to make it happen.

I agree.

>>7629034
It's more likely to be a natural skill. Some people have poopy fundamentals and couldn't draw a proper study to save their lives, but their natural inclination to draw things a certain way is appealing to a lot of people.
>t. Somebody who actually does study but has a natural drawing style which I fucking hate and have tried to beat out of myself, but nevertheless is apparently very appealing to a certain group of people who love commissioning me and love what I draw despite me hating it

>>7632477
And I'll add, that the more I study and try to force myself away from my natural drawing style, the less they seem to like my work, so if I want to keep getting work, I have to do what I feel is gimping my art in order to sell to them. In some ways I have to relearn bad, ugly habits whenever I have to draw for them.

>>7632477
>>7632481
just b urself anon

>>7629026 (OP)
oh wow, another bitter /ic/ thread where someone who OP deemed unskilled is BTFOing a bunch of anons who simply refuse to draw or post anything, I simply cannot believe this could have been the outcome!

>>7632477
now i am very curious to see your art

>>7631993
so now keys to drawing isn't enough? I have to be nice and sociable too? when does it end?!

>>7629276
>>7629226
how. no really how. I can't even crack 50 followers on shitter

>>7629034
skill is an appeal

>>7629026 (OP)
Pretty much. Draw something moderately recognizably and have it be something people like and you'll blow up. I think no better example of this is rak. He drew so much Tatsumaki that he built a massive audience regardless of skill

Guys, you too could get his following if you boiled your art down to unfunny memes for the most retarded people out there. Have you seen his stuff? The focus isn't his dumb (and forced) MSpaint style, it's the fact that his stupid comics are so nothing that anyone who starts using the internet today can like and follow.

removed the soul!

>>7629034
>>7638972
The duality of man.

removed the soul.

>>7638939
your drawings are not interesting

>>7629228
Who in particular?>>7631661

>>7631661
Humor > Skill

>>7632014
This book is literally all common sense shit to people who aren't autistic retards.

It can be boiled down to "other people don't like it when you talk about yourself all the time, try talking about the person you are interacting with, too."

That's it. That's the book.

And if you didn't already know that, you're an autistic retard.