I mean, he spent like 20 years learning how to draw poses using Loomis heads, gesture, realistic shading, and so on... but why can't he draw from imagination? Does he need another 20 years studying kangaroo anatomy just to draw one from imagination? How do Japanese artists manage to create such original pieces or draw and animate from imagination? Is their workflow different?

>>7629232 (OP)
>How do Japanese artists manage to create such original pieces or draw and animate from imagination? Is their workflow different?
No, it's their culture. They hate being seen as incompetent. They will not ask a question when they don't understand something. They will not draw something they can't do perfectly.

proko is not a creative person

>>7629232 (OP)
>never practices something
>is bad at it
how is this difficult to understand, he trained in observation drawing + painting, not drawing from imagination

proko drew this from imagination

he fucked up once doing a random off the cuff tutorial. it doesn't mean that he's necessarily bad at drawing from his head.

>>7629232 (OP)
>>7629265
Narrow mental library. He mostly studies the human body in a void, so that's what he can draw.
/thread

>>7629232 (OP)
Because he's a fine artist and they don't draw from imagination.
Although he did take a cartooning course and doubled down studying to patch this skill gap after getting memed on for the kangaroo thing, he just doesn't teach that since it's not his forte.

>>7629282
he is better than everyone here but he is not good at it, if anything proko is proof that you can have no talent and be good at drawing, just look at his videos with aaron blaise, aaron blaise shits out drawings with crayons and a notepad while proko is have a giant dorky thingy attached to his hips to hold his materials

>>7629291
No he isn't. I can think of 2 anons off the top my head who can not only draw from imagination, but mog him.
Mind you 2 is a very low number. I wont call them out, but they post regularly.

>>7629287
Whyd he give it such horny eyes

>>7629307

>>7629248
How do you even practice it? Random doodles won’t make you good at drawing kangaroos.

>>7629232 (OP)
He's an academic artist. Like all art profs they only care about every single detail of the human body and nothing else. So a lack of interets and practice equals poor understanding of a field of study.

>>7629291
this, proko is proof that grinding works. You can have no talent or creative energy and still learn to be a good xerox machine. Just look at this fucking dog comic. This is him trying to create something new from his heart. You could say that's the FIRST actual drawing he's ever done. This is his BEST drawing.

And its not that he can't get better, obviously if he practices drawing from imagination he'll get better, but all those years of drawing ugly old men did not help one bit in this comic.

>>7629411
he's basically pawell?

>>7629412
yes, ironically they both have the same capabilities.

>>7629294
Just post their works then

proko grinded too many boxes, doesn't have asian jeans and has aphantasia

the honest answer is that drawing from imagination is essentially the complete mastery of all the fundies in addition to your visual library. It's the end game and needs to be done consistently. Proko was fine with being an academic artist and he's pretty damn good at what he does. It's like asking why a motorcycle mechanic can't fix up an exotic. still makes me literally cry with laughter whenever i watch that video of his stream with the kangaroo... that one part that's like Let's draw a box... what can we make... JACK IN THE BOX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>>7629307
Kangaroos have thick eyelashes.

Why is Jeff Watts the only good artist at Watts Atelier? His sketchbooks from imagination are incredible and he draws figures faster and more accurately than Brian Knox, Eric Gist or Proko.

Almost like his teaching methods are just utter trash and he learned differently.

https://youtu.be/rcXULV7G9ZU

>>7629690
Really feel like the Vilppu / animation style of learning is superior here. Imagination drawing is a core part of it and they care more about movement in a figure than exact proportions.

>>7629232 (OP)
That's not imagination, that's a mental library. Imagination would be drawing a monster or a non-existant building, both require knowledge about real life subjects to draw but the point is not replication, but creation.
That being said, proko mostly draws humans so that's basically all he'll be able to draw. It's like asking a weeb to copy a masterpiece, even if he somehow manages to nail down the pose and composition, he'll most likely get filtered by the bodies, clothing and faces.

>>7629291
>>7629282
>>7629232 (OP)
It's just a matter of practice, he didn't practice drawing from memory so he didn't get good at it, it's that simple guys.
btw I watched a bit of his fundamentals course, and he seems to be improving a bit at drawing from imagination

>>7629265
did he really? I keep looking at it, and even though it's clear it's the product of a visual library that consists of only anatomy studies. it's really fucking well done. Lol. Like the forms of the clavicular head and sternocostal head both attaching to the humerus is so clear that this could be used as a study on how the muscles attach to bones. this drawing actually helped me understand how the underlying mechanics of the muscles and bones work together to create movement. I know for a fact I couldn't shit something like this out from imagination, at least not yet, my anatomical knowledge isn't there yet. Like damn, what the fuck lol. Maybe he just can't perform under pressure

>>7630486
the 'kangaroo' was supposed to be a quick 'mass' block-in painting that he owuld later refine, it just looks really bad out of context

>>7630503
I mean, I saw his dog comic and I think it's just a matter of his expertise outside of human anatomy is pretty poor and that's okay. His skill is very impressive just limited. I rather learn from multiple experts that stay in their lane and know what they can and can't teach rather than get low quality training from an expert trying to teach things they have no business teaching.

>>7629781
>mental library
proko's been drawing for 2 decades and you're telling he cant conjure up a cartoon kangaroo?

>>7630517
Did he study a kangaroo, or even wildlife for that matter, for two decades?
No? Then, probably not.
If I asked anons, who have never studied how an animal works, to draw me a moose or an opossum without reference, they'd probably shit their pants on the spot.
You'd know this if you actually drew and tried to make your drawings coherent and accurate.

>>7630517
Yes that is what happens if you deeply specialize on a narrow segment of a field while valuing accuracy highly. Stepping outside your normal zone is jarring and stressful.

>I'm better than the prokmeister because I can draw anime girls from imagination
delusional/beg/ cope

>>7630543
niggas on this board really do be doing academic studies just to draw lolis getting fucked by dogs fr

>>7629232 (OP)
Atelier artists are not cartoonists.
David Finch can't draw from observation, only from memory, imagination.

>>7629336
By drawing. lol

>>7630552
He uses reference for anything that isn't a comic figure. Ryan Washington is a great figure artist too and a good comic book artist

>>7630543
Well, at least they don’t spend 20 years photocopying realistic humans just to end up drawing aborted fetus kangaroos from imagination

>>7629232 (OP)
he doesn't really draw animals often so its not really in his visual library
it was a drawing done on a stream. it was barely a minute that he drew this too

art is a huge subject so you'll always find things you're not good at, difference is you're not famous and don't need to show people your hiccups on a stream

>>7630552
>David Finch can't draw from observation
Bait used to be believable.

>>7629411
WALL-EEE...

>>7629232 (OP)
This is just a meme.
Probably he can't draw a kangaroo from imagination, because he never drew a kangaroo in the firrst place, but I bet he can draw humans.