I want to learn to draw specifically to tell stories visually. Comics, manga, animation; mediums that enable visual storytelling, and in my case, the emphasis is on story.

The problem is, I don't love drawing, or learning to draw. I have a good grasp on the basics: I can draw all the basic 2D & 3D shapes, I have a good understanding of perspective. I am actually passionate about composition so that's definitely not a problem. However, drawing human characters is still very challenging for me, and there's all sorts of conflicting information about the best way to go about learning. Every time I think about how long it will likely take, my motivation starts to seep away.

I'm beginning to think one of the hard requirements of learning to draw is to love drawing. Even if your skill level is low, you should still derive a lot of enjoyment just from the process of drawing. I have a passion for writing and I would love to add a visual element to my stories, but the barrier of entry is proving to be very steep in my case.

One of the main driving factors behind my initial desire to learn is modern comics, manga and animation not satisfying my itch for a good visual story. I think this is because they're created by people who are artist-first, writer-second. The advantage these people have is that they've got a grasp on the difficult part, because drawing is their passion.

Anyway, if anyone read all this, I would love to hear advice or tips.

Post your work, and I'll give you the good news

>>7631269 (OP)
>I want to learn to draw specifically to tell stories visually
>I don't love drawing
>Is there any hope for me?
Nope. Find a hobby you like, you absolute moron.

>>7631275
Some examples of an average practice session. I have developed a habit of going back to practicing circles, eclipses and boxes because that's what I'm comfortable with.

I wouldnt say I have a "fear" of drawing, but its hard to motivate myself when it feels like I'm a long way off drawing the level I want to reach.

>>7631269 (OP)
No

>>7631269 (OP)
>The problem is, I don't love drawing, or learning to draw.

>>7631290
I'm not averse to practice, just trying to figure out effective means of motivating myself. My goals are a bit different from the usual person learning to draw so I'm thinking I need to adjust my mindset in some way.

>>7631292
You're too weak. Quit now to suffer less and also so us real artists have less competition.

>>7631269 (OP)
Write screen plays or scripts and then part her with a friend who likes to draw and gates to write.

>>7631292
Your goals aren't special. You're the stereotypical "ideas guy" who thinks he knows better than everyone else, but won't take the time to actually learn to implement them.

And judging by you saying >>7631286 amounts to "a good grasp of the basics", your ideas almost certainly aren't as good as you think they are.

>>7631269 (OP)
I would say your best bet would be to find a mentorship. It will show you how drawing people is actually done, because most books don't really teach it well. Also a good video course (paid, not YT) could be good, but then you will have to pick up your teacher. I would choose anyone who worked at the comic industry. Only then you will see what drawing is all about.

>>7631308
I second this, it does not seem your fundies are good, take the easier way and accept you need to study, not being in fear.

>>7631269 (OP)
3D comics and patreon porn games.
Check f95zone.
Use DAZ3D or Illusion games for the “art”.

What’s stopping you from drawing a beg level comic? Youre just overwhelming yourself if you think you could draw it well. try drawing it with your skill level and finish it. If you think the finished product needs a good art direction then work and study what you’re lacking and pull through.

>>7631269 (OP)
>Is there any hope for me?
You'll be a mediocre artist like Lynn Okamoto.
>https://animecorner.me/elfen-lied-creator-laments-his-failure-to-become-a-master-artist/

>>7631372
>What’s stopping you from drawing a beg level comic?
/thread

>>7631382
Well, his drawings are pretty weird. I can see how anything good about the art would have been done by his assistants.
Story is much more important for mangas anyways.
Captcha: G4Y00

>>7631269 (OP)
>I'm beginning to think one of the hard requirements of learning to draw is to love drawing
It's that, or learn to tolerate doing something you hate to achieve what you want. It's question of either how much you like the process or how much you want the end result.

I don't enjoy drawing at all, and never had. For me it has always been a chore, but something that's necessary to tell the stories I want to tell. But I've managed to put up with that chore for thousands upon thousands of hours. I've busted my ass on-and-off (had periods of burnout where I drew next to nothing and periods of productivity where I drew a lot) and I've managed to come pretty damn far. You can count on two hands people who have managed to become regularly published in a manga magazine without knowing japanese. I'm not saying this to brag, but to tell you that you can go pretty far despite not enjoying drawing.

That said, I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. It's a lot of doing something you don't like. A whole lot of it. You can always just stick to storyboarding. That still allows you to focus on writing while making something visual. The only downside is that you're only making one step in the process and will need others to finish the work. But then again, that's the standard process for how comics in the european/american approach are made.

>>7631286
I can tell you that the first step you should do to get anywhere is to ditch these pointless exercises and just jump straight into making the stuff you want to make. No, you won't be any good at it at first. But that's true no matter how much you prep beforehand. Your first few hundred pages will suck ass no matter what, so get them out of the way ASAP. If you can't get yourself to do that then I'm afraid you have no future in comics.

>>7631286
I kneel.

>>7631286
>boxes
another one bites the dust
many auch cases

>>7631286
Drawing boxes randomly like that doesn't help anything. Draw through your boxes and try to see where the back corners are. Follow the lines to see if they converge to vanishing point.

>>7631394
o i love jerking off can i be expert in cum

>>7631286
lol
every time

>>7631269 (OP)
TL; DR but maybe you should consider writing if you don't want to draw

>>7631269 (OP)
If you want to tell stories, there are all sorts of new mediums. On a whim,I made six Goblin avatars for Second Life, and all that one would need to make comics is to position them,take screenshots and add word balloons. To block a scene all you need draw are stick figures,using that as reference material for the larger work.

>>7631269 (OP)
Well heres an exercise that you should tackle to make sure that you can enjoy drawing(or at least tolerate enough to get your story across).
Forget fundies, forget drills and all that. Just make an honest attempt at drawing your characters for the story. It doesnt matter how crude it is, just make the attempt. Try drawing a key interaction between characters, a basic character sheet, porn, whatever. Just draw your characters. If you can draw them and enjoy doing that, then congrats you enjoy doing the actual creative fun part of drawing and you just gotta put up with fundies long enough to be satisfied with making your characters look the best they can.
Everybody points to ONE but look at shit like Toby Fox's art. All his initial sketches are all assy and not completely how they would end up being but he is exploring these characters. The same process is done by more higher profile artists with the initial sketches of their characters, but i point to Toby specifically cause I dont know how high your standards are but those standards should not be a hinderence. Even if your characters look like these shitty sketches, if you enjoy doing that, then your golden. If you dont find yourself enjoying the actual fun creative parts of drawing, then I wouldnt bother doing fundies and shit. Ive been doing this shit for years and I wasnt good for most of it, but I still liked drawing my characters in that interim anyway.

OP here.

Just want to say I appreciate the advice given, at least the sincere advice. I will try to commit myself to some of the suggestions.
Besides that, just to clear up some misconceptions:

>just become a writer
Let me remind you of a sentence in the OP: >>7631269 (OP)
>I am actually passionate about composition so that's definitely not a problem
If this isn't clear enough I'll say it clearly: I want to learn visual storytelling. I love the process of blocking out subjects on a canvas in a way that tells the story visually. The problem with working in an entirely literary medium is that you have to get creative with language and prose, which is something I don't particularly care for. I like to see characters' emotions expressed wordlessly; an expression tells a thousand words, and for me, that's much more interesting than literally writing a thousand words.
>just do screenwriting!
lol
>you're just an ideas guy!
Does it look like I'm looking for an artist to do the hard work for my ideas? I'm seeking advice for learning the craft myself.

I'm inspired by mangaka from past generations like Keiko Takemiya and Osamu Tezuka who would use the manga medium to tell amazing stories in visually creative ways. Today's manga feel like they are much more driven by visually appealing characters than telling a high quality story.

/blog

>>7631269 (OP)
If you had drawn one picture for everytime you made this thread you would be an art god right now

>>7633919
>If you had drawn one picture for everytime you made this thread you would be an art god right now
I'd be an art god after drawing two pictures?